0? Jane!

Zed!

hi Jane!

Dangnabbit!

Jane!

3

shucks

I have no pity for any of them.

Is this Late Nite?

Is this post supposed to have a headline? I can’t see one…

Me!

Did Jane always used to do stuff this late? Or did that come with the new format?

How is everybody tonight?

Hey, any chance Reid knew from the get-go yesterday that he was going to pull that bill?

Jane used to do it all back in the day when she was running the lake solo.

Doing well neuro, and you?

Heh, we were just discussing the dog vote… 8-)

For a chest pounding pack of manly men, today’s GOP-ers sure do a lot of public blubbering, weeping and boo-hooing.

-G

I’m Ok. But I Ain’t Marchin’ Anymore, neuro.

The headline I see is 0

Fine, Betsy. Good to see you.

Is the title of Jane’s post “0″?

wussies.

They certainly give Boehner a run for his money…

Me neither, BFL. I don’t like the tune the band is playing now.

So, I’ll say it again, why do Rs hate dogs?

Because dogs are man’s best friends, and Rs basically hate humanity, except for themselves.

If the future of the country weren’t so important, the R candidates would make an interesting academic study in cognitive dissonance. No doubt Mitt believes that he comes from a family tradition that everybody is equal, and doesn’t have any idea that his prejudice against Muslims might contradict that.

Beg to differ. Think Rs’ hate of humanity stems from self-hate. How could such a mean bunch of people not suffer from unacknowledged self hate?

That name still makes me titter -well, so does that word. Hey, Boner!!!!

It is important but the comedy value is outstanding. I think Jane should make a movie about this – would win an Oscar.

Late Nite added to the title folks.

WAY back when, Jane did all of the late nite posts. WAY back when.

And, there was snark by Jane. She is not new to the snark game. Jane’s snark was why I came and stayed.

I’m sure he heard that in grade school… As I heard turtle…

I just feel like callin’ people names all night. Not even creative ones, like Christy this morning called Sessions “Senator Sltherin’ Snot on a Glass Doorknob.” No, I’m up for good ol’ crude names.

Thanks, Suzanne!

I don’t like feeling disoriented…

I just feel like callin’ people names all night. Not even creative ones, like Christy this morning called Sessions “Senator Sltherin’ Snot on a Glass Doorknob.” No, I’m up for good ol’ crude names.

Yeah, but there’s some poetry in Christy’s. And some justice.

Hey Suzanne. Uniform on?

Too bad Tom Wolfe is a wingnut. Seems like his biting people portraits would make him a good author to describe today’s Rs. Then the screenwriters could take over, once they’re off strike.

True, but I’m from New Jersey. We don’t really do poetry. (and we don’t do executions any more either.)

That’s not really true. Joyce Kilmer and Allen Ginsberg are from NJ.

Mitt wants that job awful bad.

refresh and see the magic of a title

What job?

OT
NYT posts article about W lawyers’ discussion about destroying torture tapes.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12…..ref=slogin

refresh and see the magic of a title

Bee-yootiful. Evenin’ all!

An’ i don’t get how runnin’ the Winter Olympics makes you presidential material

Mittens strikes me as the sort who can cry on cue, as needed. He’s a mayo sandwich on white bread. As soon as the money guys can figure out a way to marginilize the Mormon thig, he’s gonna be the nominee. And the scary part is that he is “presidential” looking enough to get people to vote for him on that alone. If I’ve learned anything the last 7 years it’s that stupid people are everywhere and they breed like bunnies.

Aren’t they dead?

Repube males are in touch with their feminine side, especially the side that likes to have sex with other men.

An’ i don’t get how runnin’ the Winter Olympics makes you presidential material

IIRC it was the first Winter Olympics after 9-11. Maybe he thinks that gives him an instant qualification.

Mitt will lie his way into the job: Whatever it takes

Ex-Mormon Cartoonist Says Romney Not Telling Truth

By Dave Astor

Published: December 18, 2007 3:50 PM ET

NEW YORK As an ex-Mormon, Arizona Republic editorial cartoonist Steve Benson has strong opinions about current Mormon Mitt Romney. He said the Republican candidate’s recent speech on religion should not be trusted by media people and other Americans.

In his talk, Romney said “I believe in my Mormon faith” while also noting that the church’s “teachings” would not influence his decisions if elected president.

“Yeah, right,” responded Benson, adding that “Romney also believes in misrepresenting what his Mormon Church actually espouses.”

Benson is the grandson of former Mormon leader Ezra Taft Benson.

He told E&P that a Mormon believer is required by church doctrine (as dictated by the church’s “living prophet”) to “obey God’s commands” over anything else. He said “Romney, like all ‘temple Mormons,’ made his secret vows using Masonic-derived handshakes, passwords, and symbolic death oaths that he promised in the temple never to reveal to the outside world” — and that Romney also secretly vowed to devote his “time, talents,” and more “to the building of the Mormon religion on earth.”

…

Benson predicted that Romney will not win the Republican presidential nomination. If Romney somehow IS nominated, added the cartoonist, he will not defeat his Democratic opponent.

Voters, said Benson, “are not ready for someone in the Oval Office who has committed to absolute obedience to a religion they feel is extremely odd and not in the American mainstream. I trust the rational U.S. electorate, not the weird Mormon God.”

…

Funny 02 Winter Olympics story. I ski at Alta. My son prefers Snowbird, just down the canyon over the ridge. Prior to the 02 Olympics, he rode up in the Snowbird tram with John Ashcroft.

Hey All,
Tiny Tears — wasn’t that a doll from the 1960’s?

Skiing in Utah so much, I’ve been told I must read that tell-all on the Mormons, but never had that much interest. Maybe now’s the time. Anyone remember the title/author? Off to google.

AZ Matt, I’ll use that article in the news ticker. Thanks for finding it.

thanks AZ Matt

Krakauer, something about Heaven?

I think you may be talking about “Under the Banner of God”

He told E&P that a Mormon believer is required by church doctrine (as dictated by the church’s “living prophet”) to “obey God’s commands” over anything else. He said “Romney, like all ‘temple Mormons,’ made his secret vows using Masonic-derived handshakes, passwords, and symbolic death oaths that he promised in the temple never to reveal to the outside world” — and that Romney also secretly vowed to devote his “time, talents,” and more “to the building of the Mormon religion on earth.”

Yep. Up steps St. McCain.

Skiing in Utah so much, I’ve been told I must read that tell-all on the Mormons, but never had that much interest. Maybe now’s the time. Anyone remember the title/author? Off to google.

Under The Banner Of Heaven, Jon Krakauer. Excellent book.

Here’s one, but not the one I was thinking of. This one, The Darker Side of Virtue: Corruption, Scandal, and the Mormon Empire, has such a delicious title, but was written in 1991. The one I’m thinking of came out around 2000, iirc.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer…..02-1480116

Never been to Utah, do the resorts stick to the Mormon “no alcohol, no caffiene” rules or do they go the pragmatic route where the tourist money is?

Thanks. That’s the one. Bought a used copy with one click. Will take it with me to read when I go out in Jan.

Bush lawyers discussed fate of CIA tapes
from Amer – Herald Trib
At least four top White House lawyers took part in discussions with the CIA about whether to destroy videotapes showing the secret interrogations of two Qaeda operatives.

Bingo. Witness the Conglomerate Media’s salivating over Mittmo’s “religion” speech. I mean, I can’t remember ever hearing such crazy talk from a Prez candidate…”freedom requires religion…” WTF?!? Bobble heads say, “move along…nothing to see here…”

Then, to compare to JFK’s religion speech. Absolute bullshit and sacrilege!! JFK’s was saying just the opposite, and he took questions from a hostile crowd!

Just one thing after another where they turn a blind eye toward Mittens. That comment about his sons “serving” their country in a Winnebago campigning for the old man…that should’ve been enough to sink his candidacy.

Man, we’ve got to significantly grow our numbers in the netroots, and make the Conglomerate Media irrelevant if we’re ever going to truly restore the Constitution.

Skiing in Utah so much, I’ve been told I must read that tell-all on the Mormons, but never had that much interest. Maybe now’s the time. Anyone remember the title/author? Off to google.

“Then God Makers”…It is quite interesting..it’s an “expose’”format. Several recovering LDS friends who have read the book say it’s a little “over the top” but accurate.

Under the Banner of Heaven is indeed the book but it looks primarily at the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints at Colorado City. He does write about Mormon orgins and the violence that followed it. Not always the fault of the Mormons, often the good Christian neighbors who didn’t like different folk.

White separatists sue town of Jena
from Raw Story Breaking News
Group angry the city asked them not to bring guns to a ‘MLK Day’ march.

Spent a week in Salt Lake City using their records and they do not have “bars” – they have “clubs”. We were given tickets to the club when we checked into the hotel. There’s plenty of alcohol in Utah, believe me.

Ahhh…morals are one thing, but when it comes down to profit, well, that’s something else entirely.

Effort to cut FEMA red tape denied
from Raw Story Breaking News
A week after Hurricane Katrina, a FEMA official in charge of streamlining the flow of disaster aid issued a directive that would have cut through the red tape and expedited a staggering 1,029 rebuilding projects and $5.3 billion…

Utah the most depressed state in the union.

Mormonism — grandfather of Scientology?

And to Newtonuser @ 57: Yep. Up steps St. McCain. Would that be St. McCain of Keating V?

when it comes down to profit, well, that’s something else entirely.

Money talks ;-)

Dead poets.

Tiny tears, or large tears, it will be fun to watch!

The Tiny Tears of Mitt Romney

The General explains the meaning of the tears..He is from on of the original LDS families…This is not snark.

I’m sure Mitt hopes that we’ll all believe he cried because he was happy that an injustice had been righted, and I think many people will be fooled. But the truth is Mitt, as a true believer, would not have thought it was an injustice.

I knew a lot of Mormons who wept with joy when they learned of the revelation. I saw them tearfully bearing their testimonies at the first Fast and Testimony Meeting after that. They did so, not because an injustice had been righted, but because a prophecy was being fulfilled. Mormon doctrine held that in the last days, God would lift the curse He levied against Blacks for being indecisive in the heavenly war between Jesus and Lucifer and allow them to hold the priesthood.

I am certain that Mitt cried, if indeed he did cry, for the same reason. As a true believer, he would not, could not, believe that the denial of the priesthood to Blacks had been wrong up unto that point. To do so would have meant questioning God, because the ban was scriptural in origin. It’s found in The Pearl of Great Price (Abr. 1 21-27), one of the four “standard works” of Mormonism (The others being The Book of Mormon, The Doctrine and Covenants, and The Bible.)

JG

SLC isn’t too bad since there are plenty of non-nutballs Mormons living there, but I’ve had to work and spend nights in smaller towns around the state, and you really feel like you’re in another country. No alcohol to be found, and they certainly don’t appreciate any jokes about that.

Aah, they all worship Mammon…

Bars are actually ‘clubs.’ You must buy a membership before drinking. In the lodge where I stay, the bar membership ($5) is included in the overall room/meal charge. If someone comes into the bar in the lodge who the bartender does not recognize, s/he’ll ask if the visitor is a guest, and if not, will ask visitor to go to the front desk to buy a membership. They actually have undercover liquor authorities who go around testing the system, as if they didn’t have anything better to do with their tax dollars. Also, every bottle has a clicker on the top and it measures every drink served which must then jibe with cash register records. Finally, bartenders may not serve doubles at one time, illegal exceptions made for regulars, but they can serve you all the single drinks you want, subject to behavior, potential for driving drunk & all the other usual stuff.

Once, in a Park City bar, also before the 02 Olympics, my brother & I walked into a bar apres ski, perfectly willing to pay for a membership. Bartender asked, but another customer declaimed that we were his new BFF guests and that we could drink on his membership. That works too and happens frequently.

Holy Jeebus, the airwaves in NH are thick with the political ads.

I just saw the Huckabible ‘Southern cross’ christmas ad and a new endorsement of Gov. Richardson by Lee Iacocca too.

-G

Salt Lake City has a D mayor who’s quite a piece of work. Very outspoken against W.

We’ve had quite a few Mormon neighbors here in Texas, all very nice young people. No complaints.

Yep. I think other Mormons understand that he has to say things like that in order to be elected. It’s an implicit understanding that Mittmo gets a pass for criticizing LDS. As usual, Mittmo’s slithering along…

I’ve thought better of it and will not be caling people crude names tonight. i take my cue from the post. Like when jane called Lieberman (I think) a “prick”. That’s a green light. No such thing here.

I’ve wondered how Rocky got elected being a D and all.

bfl, as long as you are not calling other commenters crude names. and to be totally accurate, i think the correct term for leiberman is ‘little prick’.

The kept the president uninformed on this minor matter, no doubt.

-G

Amazon didn’t have anything by exactly that title. Any idea who the author is?

Yea, Rocky Anderson is outstanding! I wish he’d move out of state and run for a higher office.

Tex: That’s the thing. They’re always so nice and polite and clean. You travel through Utah, and even the rest stops and trucks stops are immaculate (pun intended). It’s all a PR campaign for themselves and in order to win converts.

Mittmo is using this same tactic on a national political scale. “He seems so nice, and neat, and good-looking. No complaints.” That’s how they do it.

Yeah, I don’t know much about that. Just learned about him after the last ski season. I’ll ask for the backstory when I go out in Jan. I think it has to do with high home prices in CA, in 1990s & later, leading to emigration to mountain states.

OT-The senate is still in session. It seems they voted for more money for Iraq.
NYTimes.

tex, that bush lawyers discussed fate of cia tapes is the lead story at the NYTimes.. thanks for the item and its going in the ticker

Hey, I feel slighted. See my 42.

I’ve thought better of it and will not be caling people crude names tonight.

Hopefully you’ll be back in the saddle tomorrow.

thanks suzanne. It and the Mormon piece that AZ Matt put up are both up at my place as well.

sorry, eCHAN, i must have missed that when i was fixing the title on the post. my apologies

thanks eCHAN and tex for the latest article on the news ticker.

I read Heather Armstrong’s blog occasionally. In her words:
I am no longer a practicing Mormon or someone who believes that Rush Limbaugh speaks to God. My family is understandably disappointed.
Until recently my exposure to Mormons was limited to the clean cut young men wearing suits who would ride their bicycles around town and door to door in my little southern town when I was a kid.

“Rocky” Anderson ran for lots of offices in Utah before finally being elected mayor of Salt Lake. He’s no spring chicken now. It’s too bad he didn’t get a chance to go farther in politics as he is quite talented. His real name is Ross. The “Rocky” nick he picked up or applied to himself when he was a “giant killer” trial lawyer.

Bless the Huckabees.

-Jeebus W.

’sok. Now apologize for eCHAN instead of eCAHN. *g*

I wish people would stop calling Romneybot “Mittens”. I know a cat named Mittens. He’s a nice cat, and not at all theofascist. Some people are giving him a bad name.

Tex: That’s the thing. They’re always so nice and polite and clean. You travel through Utah, and even the rest stops and trucks stops are immaculate (pun intended). It’s all a PR campaign for themselves and in order to win converts.

Folks next door help me carry the groceries in and have given me rides places on occasion. Our former neighbors were helpful and friendly and we enjoyed several meals together. And they had the world’s cutest infant that I got to play with. What more could I want in neighbors?

Edwards ad.

Giuliani ad.

Hillary ad.

McCain ad.

-G

Sorry..we need an edit function..let me try again:

The God Makers: A Shocking Expose of What the Mormon Church Really Believes by Ed Decker and Dave Hunt (Paperback – Nov 15, 1997)

For about 3 or 4 years, the woman who ran the spa at the lodge where I stay, and also hosted the group dinner table, was a lapsed Mormon. She was straight from Central Casting, tall, slim, blond, beautiful, intelligent, perfectly mannered. We had many conversations about how Mormons treated women and her decision to leave the faith. Eventually her mother divorced her father over the stultifying atmosphere.

oh double crap…. i am so sorry.. my brain was speeding along faster than my fingers and when i do that, i tend to transpose letters. i am so sorry

They’re goona slash and burn their way out…

http://www.freepress.net/press/release.php?id=322

He’s a nice cat, and not at all theofascistcatist

Correction offered in pursuit of accuracy.

I think it’s important that Mormons and ex-Mormons are articulating their faith. It’s important to understand The Prophet’s directive role in the lives of everyday temple Mormons, including one who might be elected President. It’s not like the Pope at all; the JFK allusions fall flat.

I knew Mitt wasn’t crying because a discriminatory wrong had been righted; it was the closeness to revealed truth, and The End Days, that he felt in his spirit.

Such as it is.

Just jerkin ur chain. It’s the most common misspelling.

wait a minute, i thought that was bfl’s job (ducking)

Thanks. Added it to my shopping cart, as used copies were not a bargain. There were used copies of 1984 edition very cheap but figured something added between 84 & 97 that I should know about.

I think in your position, chain jerking is a job function, and should extract hazardous duty pay.

Mortar hits bear IDF base in Israel, six soldiers suffer shock.

-G

Link? Can’t wait to see the nuclear holocaust revenge by Israel.

Here is another snip from the “General”

Now that we’ve established that Mitt is a committed member of a very dogmatic sect, I think it’s fairly safe to assume that his religious beliefs would play an important role in a Romney presidency. but what are those beliefs and how would they influence his decision making? Let’s look at the other variables and see what we find.

As a High Priest in the Melchizedek Priesthood, Romney believes he receives revelations from God. He believes God directs him to do the things he does, and he never makes an important decision without asking God for guidance and receiving a revelation first.

As a committed Mormon, he also believes that God played an important role in the creation of this nation; that he “guided the hands” of our founding fathers. He believes that the United States is favored above all nations by God, and that Jesus will return to rule the Earth from the city of New Zion, which will be built by the faithful in Jackson County, Missouri.

It is also likely that he believes that he, and his Mormon supporters, are the Elders of Zion whom Joseph Smith prophesied would save this nation as it “hangs by a thread.” (JoD 7:15) How could he not believe that as he enters the presidency at a time he believes we are in a life and death struggle with “islamofascism?”

JG

BTW, on a personal level as a non-believer, I don’t find the LDS Church beliefs any more strange than any other religion. It is a quite interesting religion since it is and American religion and is “modern”. I am, however, concerned with any religion or belief system that tries to keep the fundamentals of their belief secret.

One question I’d ask Mitt is why Utah has the highest rate of depression in the USA.
link

Check Harretz.com.

Israel has reportedky been hit by over 2,000 missiles since January.

They are also economically strangling Gaza.

Bad neighborhood.

Israel is going to end up going into Gaza soon.

-G

Folks next door help me carry the groceries in and have given me rides places on occasion. Our former neighbors were helpful and friendly and we enjoyed several meals together. And they had the world’s cutest infant that I got to play with. What more could I want in neighbors?

That’s great! Probably no argument around here that there needs to be much more compassion in the world. Thank goD compassion can be found in people that practice any religion, and in those that do not believe in any religion.

Is the Book of Mormon online & searchable? Or do we have to go through the physical book to find gems? I love finding texts that suit one’s purposes.

John Edwardsd barnstormed NH today with Jackson Brown and Bonnie Raitt.

He’s looking and sounding sharp, sharp, sharp.

-G

Highest per capita consumption of “benzo’s and Jello”. I think a lot of that is due to the fact that it really sucks to be a woman in the LDS church and the “here after” is worse.

rather O/T, but breaking:

i note that tomorrow’s ny times
is reporting that cheney’s lawyer,
bush’s lawyer and the NSA lawyer,
among others, ALL debated destroying
the CIA torture tapes between 2003 and 2005. . .

now, what are the odds that all their lawyers
knew — and bush and CHENEY did not?

slim to none. slim to none.

p e a c e

Mark your calendars!

March Fifteenth and March Nineteenth

Email today from Cindy Sheehan:

Join us on Saturday, March 15th for a massive demonstration in Washington, D.C., at which we will exercise our rights to assemble and speak on behalf of the majority of Americans, the majority of Iraqis, the majority of U.S. troops, and the majority of people around the world who all say: U.S. Out of Iraq! This gathering will support the Iraq Veterans Against The War Winter Soldier Testimonial.

We call on people from throughout the United States, in solidarity with those planning similar events around the world, to come together in massive numbers on March 15th and 19th, 2008, to demand an immediate end to the U.S. occupation of Iraq.

The events we create will mark the end of the fifth year and the start of the sixth year of this criminal, unprovoked invasion and occupation. Over a million Iraqis have been killed, and tens of thousands of U.S. service members have been killed or wounded. The occupation must end, and together we can end it!

Join us on Wednesday, March 19th, the anniversary of the invasion, for massive civil disobedience in Washington, D.C., and at the local level all around the United States. On this day, members of Congress will be in their districts. We will provide you with the resources you need to engage in effective nonviolent actions at locations of your choosing, including congressional district offices. On the same day the permanent military-industrial complex will be at work in Washington, and we intend to bring to bear on it the most massive, most creative, and most disciplined nonviolent resistance it has ever seen. Training sessions will be provided from the 15th to 18th. Toward these ends we have formed a short-term committee.

He’s looking and sounding sharp, sharp, sharp.

From your lips to ghod’s ears. Go Edwards.

TBogg’s Equus post linked to a NYT article about how Mitties wife converted to Mormonism at the age of 18 just to be with him. It went on to say that she is now so exctremely devoted to her horses and dressage that her spawn bought Dad a horse head mask so he can vie for her attention.

Third that. Go Edwards.

Edwards/Dodd 08

Is the Book of Mormon online & searchable? Or do we have to go through the physical book to find gems? I love finding texts that suit one’s purposes.

The Book of Mormon on-line.

Having lived in many areas with a high Mormon population, on a whole, they make good neighbors but when the city of Mesa AZ decided to NOT have the 4th of July celebration on the actual day because it was Sunday and not in keeping with their faith [this city is predominantly Mormon] that faith ranked over Country.

Colorado City is also an other interesting place. You know the Warren Jeff’s home town. A place in nowhere AZ on the boarder with UT with nothing but HUGE homes and compounds. You wonder how they support themselves out there but it was discovered that they collect welfare for the non-legal wives and kids from the state.

So when these Repugs go after undocumented persons for collecting social services just hit them with all those LEGAL American’s scamming the system.

Edwards/Dodd 08

I could totally get behind that ticket.

One question I’d ask Mitt is why Utah has the highest rate of depression in the USA.
link

In my single daze, I dated a nice young lady that was raised in a strict Mormon household. To say she rebelled would be dramatic understatement. Something tells me that working as a stripper and daily cocaine use are not part of the Mormon faith. She woulda made Che Guevarra blush.

Now, as a parent, knowing people like her and others from strict religious families helps me be a much better parent.

Sounds like sublimation to me.

I’ve done some horseback riding. Never got too much into dressage, but understand what it is and why someone could think it’s better than human interaction. Horses bear a very deep emotional interation with humans, having been the principle means of transport for centuries, and absolutely essential in so many ways. Horses also have personalities that make it very easy for humans to get sucked into their spell.

Then, especially in dressage, there’s the element of mastery–not only of the technique for both rider & horse, but also who will be the master. Yes, I can well imagine how Mitt’s wife finds this an outlet for the rest of her life. Very telling.

Romney is running with a bullseye on his back.

As co-founder and Chief of Bain Capital, a very successful pirate private equity group in the Islands, questions are sure to follow.

Is the Book of Mormon online & searchable? Or do we have to go through the physical book to find gems? I love finding texts that suit one’s purposes.

I haven’t looked up LDS topics on-line for a few years until recently. It seems to me that the Google refs have been “sanitized” along with the wiki stuff. The refs on “The Pearl of Great Price” have been cleaned up to remove that fact that it was a proven fraud.

Having a theocratic town straddling a state border makes prosecution difficult, as well.

We’re wondering, chez tsf, if the “unmarried” mothers aren’t pressed to name a father for the state to pursue for support, per Clinton’s welfare “reform.”

I once found a google pic of the sacred undies. Shall I try again?

In San Francisco, ex-Catholic lads are fun, but ex-Mormon men are a pearl beyond price.

Wow bonkers — something within her just did NOT want to be a Mormon.

linky no worky for me

Ann’s dressage was part of her MS therapy.

Edwards/Dodd 08

I could totally get behind that ticket.

Oh wow. That would be quite the Executive Branch. Nice thought to go to sleep with…

Only if your not going to provide desserts. I’ve seen them & they are not interesting.

link works for me

news ticker idea:

Iraq Funds Approved In Senate Budget Bill
Antiwar Democrats Rebuffed in 70-25 Vote
By Paul Kane and Jonathan Weisman
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, December 19, 2007; Page A01

The Senate last night approved a $555 billion omnibus spending bill to fund the federal government for the rest of the fiscal year, shortly after bowing to President Bush’s demand for $70 billion in unrestricted funds for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Democrats had vowed only weeks ago to withhold any Iraq-specific money unless strict timelines for troop withdrawal were established, but they instead chose, on a 70 to 25 vote, to remove what appeared to be the final obstacle to sending the spending bill to the White House, where Bush has indicated he will sign it. Senators then passed the omnibus bill, 76 to 17.

In San Francisco, ex-Catholic lads are fun, but ex-Mormon men are a pearl beyond price.

HAHAHA!

link worked for me eCAHN

Does Romney’s wife have MS? Sorry to hear that. That would put horse therapy into an entirely different context.

never mind, I see the AP article is up already….

Not to mention an obscenely expensive hobby to pursue, and supposedly Mitt has no idea how much she spends on the horses and accessories.

The Senate last night approved a $555 billion omnibus spending bill

With all apologies to The Who…

Too much….omnibus!

Shrub: “I waaaant it. I waaaaant it.”

teddy, that one is already on the ticker but thanks

Her co-running with Mitt in the torch relay was actually an amazing feat, as Ann had hardly been able to walk before her dressage therapy started five years earlier. Or so they say.

On the other hand, she won’t tell the press how many dressage beasts she owns (they aren’t cheap) because she claims Mitt doesn’t even know! Imagine being so rich that your husband doesn’t know how many horses you own!

So here’s the long version of the link. I tried it again in a separate window & it still didn’t work. Any suggestions? a cookies problem?
http://scriptures.lds.org/bm/contents

OK. I have a cake TOPPER in the shape of an LDS temple. Now to find a cake!

Worked for me.

Thanks!

Shrub: “I waaaant it. I waaaaant it.”

A bit more than thruppence and (whatever — can’t remember the exact next line) each day?

Colorado City has been an issue in AZ for decades. There was a big bust for polygamy back in the 50’s which came back & bit the state. They left the city alone for years. It was hard to rescue or assist anyone because the whole town was sown up into the Mormon church. Someone who was forced into a marriage could not call the cops because they were an elder in the church. The saddest part was throwing away young men, driving them out of town because all the old guys wanted all the women.
AZ Polygamy history

It was a very smart deal for our AG Terry Goddard & UT’s AG to go after them using child abuse and child sex crimes. It is harder to defend than polygamy which they claim is a religious right.

Just set it on top of a Christmas cake. (or not) That OK?

Luv you. Looking forward to meeting you in person in Austin.

you can’t have it (iirc)

It will be a blast!

Curiously, went into Book of Mormon through google & got connected thru same url as link that didn’t work. Must report toobz problem to Senator Stevens.

Think how much you’ll save!

eCAHN, the link works for me. PC, Windows, Firefox.

just saw this from the same website. Hard to believe it is really a cake. Wow!

The fiance and I went to the LDS Temple in Oakland with his mom after dinner last night. It’s decorated like the Disney Electric Parade, literally, with acres of Christmas lights. Of course, I said, getting out of the car, “It’s just like Disney World!” Which didn’t go over so well with the “MIL” who’s an LDS convert.

We enjoyed strolling about the grounds, though, and then as we returned to the car, she said, “Oh, would you like to go over to the Visitors’ Center?” (That’s where they get you and start the process….)

I said, “No, we came for the lights, not the religion, but thanks!”

Beditme for me. Good night all!

g’nite madmommy

Teddy, have you ever checked out the LDS temple over in Kensington MD?

Years and years ago (late 70’s!) my friends and I somehow wangled a tour over there from some nice Mormon youth. It really is beautiful.

g’night madmommy

Nighty nite.

Teddy we have one of those LDS light displays in Mesa AZ, it is a whole block in the town. It has music and lights and the hook to snag in people. They also have a LDS center across from the community college and many of our high schools.

Mitt must be pretty ticked at PBS for running that 4 hour Mormon’s special a while back.

http://www.lds.org/placestovis…..-1,00.html

Speaking of silly names.

The South Korean election has the possibility of a Chung Dong Yung as a winner.

-G

Hillary seems marvelously un-self-aware sometimes. But then there’s Dana Milbank, reminding us….

Sen. Hillary Clinton was campaigning in a Hy-Vee grocery here Tuesday, on day two of her effort to display warmth and fuzziness, when she divulged some startling news: She was dispatching across Iowa “people who have known me, who can talk about what I do when the lights are off.”

As luck would have it, Bill Clinton was campaigning with his wife in the Hy-Vee, and he was asked what he and the senator do in their, um, downtime.

“Sometimes we’re just sleeping,” the former president answered, “because we’re so tired.”

To be outdone by the pilot of the Chinese military jet that dinged the U.S. airforce jet in the 1990s: Wang Wei. You can’t make that stuff up.

thanks eCAHN — it is quite a sight. When you’re driving around the beltway on the MD side, it looks like Oz.

Apparently she has forgone conventional medical therapy since a first and only try of steroids; and instead relies on hippotherapy and joy, but would not recommend anyone else to follow her regimen.

Popcorn time. How many takers, so I know how much to make?

Teddy, have you ever checked out the LDS temple over in Kensington MD?

Years and years ago (late 70’s!) my friends and I somehow wangled a tour over there from some nice Mormon youth. It really is beautiful.

It’s very impressive driving on the beltway from Silver Spring toward Bethesda. IIRC it was open for tours after being built and the “Gentiles” could visit. It was then closed to all but Saints with a Temple Recomend.

My parents toured that one before it was, um, “blessed” — and I think we almost lost my dad. We used to call it Oz, because of the way it looks coming around that Beltway curve high on the hill, headed to the I-270 merge. Quite unearthly.

Which is, I guess, the point.

Count me out on the popcorn… I am heading to bed… see ya guys tomorrow
Night all

We visited the NYC one a few yrs ago before the final touches were on.

g’nite katymine

night katymine

Try this link to the site I have open (same as you show). If it doesn’t work, I’ll try something else.

You know, I am sure there are “secret places” in the old Europe cathedrals where only the Church elders can go, but only the Mormons seem to make such a big deal about their secret rituals and places, letting people tour some of the facility before it’s blessed, and after that only letting in The Elect.

It’s no wonder people are curious and, um, bigoted.

Speaking of silly names.

The South Korean election has the possibility of a Chung Dong Yung as a winner.

South Korean names can really sound funny in an English context. UN General Ban Ki-moon’s wife is named Yoo Soon-taek. I wonder if he spotted her at a singles bar?

Of course, there are some languages where English names do the same things for them.

I noticed it on such a drive & wondered about it. Thought, until tonight, that it might be Muslim.

The other part of Korean names is that their last name is first. So Chung is his last name and Dong is his first name. So here we would say his name is Dong Yung Chung.

Wow. Wanna see the ultimate in rightwing freekdom……death worship…..weenie swinging……pathetic and scary.

-G

Everybody Dong Chung tonite.

-G

Ecahn, oops. Trying again

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/contents

hope this works

Could we viral that? Probably not worth it, since thompson is soooo yesterday.

LO-fucking-L

Got it to link thru google. Thanks. Nothing interesting to report yet. Sodomy=no references. Must ref Sodom. Boring. Working on it.

When I was stationed in Korea, I had a KATUSA roommate and his name was Wang Don-Ke, he and I had a lot of good times, he even took me down south to visit his family, one of the few bright spots of my year there…

So here are the refs to ‘women’ in Book of Mormon. Plenty to choose from but too late tonight to choose.
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/s…..sw=checked

The BlueBayState’s Mormon temple on route 2 going from Boston Westward near the Belmont exits is only Ozish or even Ozishy,when compared to the DC one and, for that matter, the San Diego one. But it right close by to the Romney Sanctuary Mansion, which we are told by Giuliani is unique in the World.
Also unique is the fact that Romney’s town of Belmont was the home of the founder of the John Birch Society, the wingnuttery organization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Birch_Society)and an anti-Mormon group that at a certain point Mormons were encouraged to join.

It is also the site of a murder described A Death in Belmont by Sebastian Junger.

As far as I know, there is no connection between the above and anyone attending a Planned Parenthood event in the 1990s named Romney. However, if this primary season continues to escalate its slime slogging, watch someone in the Giuliani campaign connect these dots. I almost said Huckabee, but 1. he has no staff, and 2. what staff he has is busy erasing his own dots.

*G* as the BlueState closes down for the evening, I mean morning.

Nite, all.

Good lead-in, Jane. :o)

Aren’t they a basket of peaches? It’s like some porn flick with them all taking turns bungholing each other with this or that “issue-dildo”.

“Here, Mitt, try this 12 inch rubber “immigration” pole. You’ll like it.”

“Thanks, Huck! How’s about you give this 14 inch polyester miniature Timber Rattlesnake a twirl (where the sun don’t shine) to attest to your piety, for the good voters.”

“Cool!…John! Don’t just sit there, here’s a red-white-and blue toy JDAM that will fit you to a “t”, I’ll bet. Have some vaseline with it, too!”

And just think, we have MONTHS of this left.

Where’s Hunter Thompson when you need him?

Yeah Romney probably belongs to “exclusive” country clubs as well. So why isn’t Lieberman passing out flyers in church parking lots? Double standard much?