Remember, Glenzilla writes a non-subtle petition to Harry Reid you can sign here.
Anyone listening to these feeble gasbags on the floor of the senate would conclude that this whole thing is some big debate about whether or not to require warrants on foreign-to-foreign calls routed through the US, something absolutely no one disagrees on. That and the foundations of democracy would virtually crumble if these poor, put upon telecoms who engaged in domestic spying, violating the rights of millions of Americans, might not be allowed to do a Scooter Libby and skate for their crimes.
'Cos they're great patriots, they love their kids and they're good to their dogs, I guess.
I'm now clear on the definition of "bipartisan," though. It means any time the Democrats give in and help the Republicans do what they're going to do anyway.
Since Dodd will be reading some blog reader comments, I thought I'd throw up a few of ours:
The Constitution is a cornerstone of American democracy, why do you think some of the leaders in both parties are affraid of preserving it, and demonstrating to the world that America is strong and confident that our liberty and freedom can endure any challenge from the inside and out outside?
Dear Senator Dodd:
Thank you from the bottom of my heart for taking on this essential issue. I am a New York resident, and I have exhorted Senators Schumer and Clinton to do everything in their power to support your filibuster of the Intelligence Cmte version of the FISA bill. This is a key moment in the constitutional history of our Republic, where we as a nation either repudiate or embrace the rule of law. Allowing telecommunications companies to avoid the consequences of committing felonies while reaping massive profits rewards corporate lawlessness at the expense of ordinary citizens.
I commend you for standing staunchly on the side of embracing the rule of law, and I dearly hope that you succeed in your efforts. In these acts, you are a true patriot and defender of our Republic.
Best regards, PhysioProf
LS:
Dear Senator Dodd and other Senators who are standing up for the Constitution;
My family and I are so proud of you!! We pay our hard-earned money to the telephone companies for telephone service, not to assist in a program that spies on us without warrants. We pay our taxes to help support America, not to spy on us without warrants. While we support protecting this Nation from external attacks, we consider spying on American citizens without warrants to be a violation of the 4th Amendment of the Constitution, and an internal attack on the citizens of this great Nation.
Clearly, the request for retroactive immunity is needed, because there must have been illegal activities perpetrated on us by our government with the complicity of the very telephone companies that service us. The Administration and the telephone companies must be held accountable, no matter how painful it is or our Constitution really is becoming worthless. We are a nation of laws not men. Therefore, you, together with the other Senators that stand up for America are true heroes!!!
Congress:
No retroactive immunity for telcoms!
No prospective immunity for telcoms!
No basket warrants!Signed: A Patriotic American family that wants its country back!!
PS. Please make sure that at all times, the United States of America is referred to as The United States of America and never, ever, ever as
The FatherlandThe Homeland. It causes WWII War Veterans in our family to roll over in their graves.
I think standing up for our rights as Americans is basic to being a good American. We cannot so easily slide into giving up our rights one by one to governmental overreach and expect to remain a democratic Republic. If we do give up our rights, before we know what happened, we will have become a dictatorship. Senator Dodd and the Senators who are standing with him are doing the heavy lifting necessary to maintaining our Republic as it was founded and not giving way to those politically inclined toward creating a dictatorship, and we citizens thank them very much. As for any Senator that doesn’t, you too will be remembered. Thank you for revealing your true colors, Senators, because what you do here is the proof of who you are.
Thank you Senator Dodd for your patriotic service to our country.
I see this FISA battle you are waging as a clarion cry for our country to return to the rule of law. I am not asking that the government abandon surveillance. I am only asking that the government abide by reasonable laws and allow appropriate levels of independent oversight so that we the people can be assured that the powers which we vest in our intelligence community are used for the purposes for which they have been designated. Please make it clear to anyone listening tomorrow that the Senate Judiciary Committee version and House version of the FISA renewal do not weaken our surveillance capability in any way but instead improve the Constitutionally mandated oversight function which has been missing.Without law, we have no government.
You would all do better than Barbara Mukulski, who appears to have disinterred the scribes of Hee-Haw to author her floor speech. Our FISA laws were apparently written back when Blackberries were "something you put on your breakfast cereal."
Oh what a kneeslapper.
These people should not be legislating anything more technical than a sliderule.
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Thank you Jane!
Jane, you rock!!
Dodd’s on fiyah.
Frankly, I think a even a sliderule’s too technical…
Hi Jane.
By gum! Fighting back is energizing! Woo Hoo! Of course it helps to listen to Sen. Dodd. He’s absolutely on fire!!!
I’ve had CSp-2 on the toobz all afternoon (ThymeWannah insists we buy digital to get it on the telly now, but we’re not daunted, heh)
Every time a speaker comes to the floor, I listen off & on. Then I fire off a response to whatever they said: kudos for some, sharp stick in the ribs for others, some I’m at a loss to approach (boobyhatch), but others (wannah) I wade forth & respectfully smack upside the head.
Don’t know if it’ll help, but here’s copy of the e- to Wanna, fwiw.
. . .
Thanks Jane et al at FDL.
This is nothing less than a Constitutional crisis. We have bush apologists hiding behind the bloody flag to protect his ass. Impeach the bas**rds it is the only way to stop them.
me too!
great letters - very impressive.
I don’t think she could manage a ball and a bag of jacks.
Roll call? Whats happening?
yep.
He is clearly disgusted with even some of his own past votes….. the slow and steady erosion of our country and our rights.
“No more blowing through the bill”
Folks in Iowa and New Hampshire and all early primary and caucus states, please note Senator Dodd and his actions today! THIS is what leadership looks like.
Woot!!
After the cloture vote this morning Kobe was in a shitty mood and he took it out on the neighbor’s lawn.
Forcing the Sens to the floor. They don’t like that as they are trying to have cocktail weenies with their financiers.
Looking for quorum…. can’t vote if there isn’t a quorum.
I am so mad at Mikulski I could spit nails! I called her office today telling her she needs to support Senator Dodd. (BTW, Jane, small spelling correction on her name…it’s Mikulski.)
I am really liking Dodd right now.
Maybe this would be a good time for senators to start reading bills and amendments before voting.
Barbara Mukulski is teh living, breathing example of what is wrong with the Democratic party. The idea, “Give me Liberty or give me death,” is amended, in her case to “…unless it’s death by an unidentified white powder that someone sends in the mail. ‘Cause if that happens, then give me the liberty to hitch up my petticoats and head on back to the Junction!”
There is a systemic issue with the Democratic Party and it centers around the fact that very few have any guts.
The issue on telecom immunity is very simple: Accountability.
Either you’re for it, or you are against our Constitution.
707!
Ding!! And their afternoon liquid lunch…*g*
Kobe’s a pretty good sized dog isn’t he? Seems Kobe might be leaving your neighbor some big messes to clean up. Although no where near the mess that is being created right now in our country.
They’re just rebuilding a quorum, this is a roll call and not a vote.
Signed the petition to mr. harry. Hard to believe he is from Searchlight, Nevada. That was a tough old town at the end of the world. What a wimp.
Bush doesn’t need a Republican Congress, he has the Democratic one.
Seconded!
Dodd sure kept my attention. being one of those network/computer people I truly understand the extent to th vacuming of all data at all the major tie points lets big brother scoop up everything transmitted on all means of communication. Very scary and I suspect will eventually (I hope sooner than later) be found to be illegal!
Aint that the truth
Oh oh here is Orin the Mormon
Hatch is accusing us of fear mongering!!!!
Look in the mirror!
Hey there - anybody know how many signatures on the Greenwald/FDL petition?
Ooooohhhh!!! Hatch says “partisan blogs” are spreading misleading information.
Not this one.
OMG…blogs are spreading misleading fearmongering conspiracies…Orrin Hatch.
We are irrational….right!!!
uh oh, Orrin is saying that malicious left wing blogs are stirring up trouble again.
Excellent! Or a ball OR a bag of jacks.
Also, after listening to Senator Warner I decided to check out the pay of the poor telecom ceos. Not shocking to discover they’re making a little more than minimum wage…
fearmongering on some blogs which spread fear of govt conspiracies. Do not forget our govt did not kill thousands of people on 9/11
Woo hoo! Orrin Hatch going after blogs.
Benjamin frickin’ Franklin on line 2 for Senator Hatch.
I don’t suppose anyone is interested in how sick I am of people invoking the sacred memory of 9/11?
Also the preacherly tone of so many of these gasbags.
Parsin’ Orrin’s just referred to “imaginary government conspiracies”, how convenient, it’s the real ones that concern me.
I’m not overly convinced of that. I have lot’s of questions about what really went down on that fateful day.
Then in the same breath, Orrin lists a crapload of terrorist attacks. Who’s the fear monger now?
Hatch trying to scare us with the spectre of scary expanded courts.
Those bastards!
I sent faxes to all the senators on a list that Digby put together.
One thing that would be nice is to have money on THE OTHER SIDE talk.
The Telcos will spend 20 millions to block them being sued for 200 million.
Maybe the people who will get the potential 200 million in fees might want to support our fight.
We are forces of chaos and anarchy
Everything they say we are, we are
And we are very proud of ourselves
up against the wall mofo’s
Who is in the SenPrez. spot, Stabenow??? Looked utterly clueless as to whut-ta-dew when Dodd wound up his glorious rant.
geehaw, even i know how to deal wit a quorum caw.
Oh ick. Hatch is back. complaining of others pandering to fear-mongering & sssssslllllliiiiiding smoothly right into -um- fearmongering!?!
HOW can he DO that with a stait-laced-face?!?!?
mutemuteMuteMUTE!!!
Hatch is scare mongering…. same old shit different day.
Ya makes it harder to spy on the boogie man … Hatch get a life! He is lying as usual he needs aides who wi9ll tell the truth!
Maybe just a bag? Nahhh… she had best sit quietly with her hands folded in her lap ; )
Good!!! They are on the defense from blogs!!!!!
We are “attackers”!!! So…if Dodd uses the blogs…he’s a government attacker????!!!
His aides must have just read this post and realized Dodd’s gonna quote blog comments. Gimme a break.
Next thing you know…we will be the terrrrrrists.
Orrin Hatch, you are a disgrace to this Nation.
I have not been able to watch much of this today or keep up with the comments.
Is Hatch the poster child for the anticonstitutionalists?
God bless Senator Dodd for trying to save the Constitution of the United States of America.
It’s been a while since I’ve heard soooo many 9/11s and terrists … and the poor Senators were sooo scared on 9/11
yegads - so few grownups in the whole bunch!
I have been watching this while also trying to duck tape my head together for fear of exploding…meltdown in progress
I blame the blogofascists.
-G
AAh, the bloggers, we’re evil (especially me because I take no prisoners and don’t care about being polite) we want to rule of law to be upheld.
Orrin Hatch is on me “drink to his obituary” list.
only one of dozens.
“I find these scare tactics offensive!” Hatch.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Then stop USING THEM. Jerk.
“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
B. Franklin
Hatch more lies… all data swept up data is analyzed
First they ignore you…
Phoenix Air America local show started right out of the gate two minutes into the program hits on Chris Dodd’s efforts to protect the Constitution. Hitting all the FDL points.. ;)
We have lots of diaper changing to do! And while we’re at it, we need to find grown-ups to elect to take the place of most of these clowns.
Hatch sounds shrill. Who’s putting the thumbscrews to him?
these scare tactics not only ridiculous but offensive. insult the fine people here a slap in the face. give me a break. (oooh)
Orrin Hatch! Prove that you are not spying on innocent Americans. Prove it!!!
How can Sen. Hatch accuse liberal fearmongers of inciting the public with conspiracies about a big bad government . . . and in the next breath resort to the very same kind of fearmongering . . . warning us how danger from terrorists is “just around the corner.” WHAT hypocracy!
fear not, intrepid leader, he just got dinged by my “whine meter”.
HAH! Go home hatch. You’re so over…
Would there even be a debate if it wasn’t for the immunity issue here, or am I missing something?
He’s a fruitcake.
His telecom “masters”???
Fear monger? Pot, this is kettle, Orrin. Next thing you know he’ll tell us the rule of law only applies to lying about blow jobs.
Everything Orrin Hatch says is a lie or a smear, including ‘the’ and ‘and’. His face should be in the dictionary next to ‘disingenuous’.
It’s not that ‘Innocent Americans’ will be ‘targeted’. It’s that everyone gets sucked into the data vacuum.
But, y’know, invoke the terrorist bogeyman and wave the bloody sheet.
Do our allies understand that if we lose this battle, net neutrality is next?
then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then . . .
we win.
I’m ready to win some!
lol, i know Raven @68 :)
Hatch starts quoting the boogie men. Hey Orrin, did you get those quotes by tapping a US citizens phone or email without a warrant?
“I object to fearmongering. Now look at the scary terrorist man who wants to kill your babies!”
Oooh oooh, I know the answer! I know the answer to that one!!
How much money has Hatch accepted from telecoms? Or is he just doing this out of his hatred for the Fourth Amendment?
otchmoson December 17th, 2007 at 3:12 pm
Yep. It’s like the words that they said two sentences before don’t count.
You just want someone to stand up and say, “Do you even LISTEN to yourself?? You said the opposite of what you said 10 seconds ago.”
why, i believe that would be ewe
Was it FDL that sent a bunch of rubber stamps to Congress? Maybe we should send the Rethugs and Mikulskis in Congress teddy bears, since they are all so freakin’ afraid of the dark.
OT Did I hear right? Did Bob Kerrey talk about Barack Hussein Obama with repeated references to his Muslim father and attending a madrassah? Another acolyte of Clinton showing his dark side?
Hatch is lying I can’t believe the fear mongering!
I signed the petition to good old harry, but maybe he was being sly and making this all happen to show the public what rubber stamps the the thugs are.
Ran out of nerf balls, external outrage drive full and locked up, leaking around duck taped head … mute mute mute that audio….. Orrin STFU
I was surprised at the talking point for almost every GOP senator was that the problem is the fringe political elements. Gee I feel so powerful.
Note to self.. Send a certain neighbor a pooper scooper for x-mas.
BRILLIANT!
I wasn’t as eloquent as the remarkable commenters here, but I did sign the petition, and it’s already bounced from several Senators because I’m not a direct constituent. Which really ticks me off, we’re not talking about pork projects here, we’re talking about the basic rights of all citizens to be secure in their persons, papers and communications, and that the government has to get a warrant to breach that privacy.
I just listened to Hatch for 2 minutes. I need a pepcid.
And the right to interfere with the private medical decisions of American Citizens, of course. Laws are there for a reason, damnit, and blow jobs and right to life issues are it! Period!
This will provide great fodder for Dodd!!!! How dare you call American citizens who you are spying on, fearmongers!!!
phred - late one nite this week, we thought of sending barf bags - we are sick of their spinelessness.
hands over eyes, audio on mute….. is the little man done yet?
Hatch isn’t motivated by money. He’s motivated by his utter shamelessness, and willingness to argue himself into a pretzel to serve the Party.
The vote for cloture was overwhelming. Can anyone explain in simple terms why that doesn’t mean that this is all futile and this bill is going to be voted on and pass? I tried to understand the detailed explanation on DKos, but ran out of steam.
Please everyone refer to yourselves as “American Insurgents” or Constitutional terrorists because the way this congress is acting we are certainly not considered respectable mainstream citizens.
Whatta ya expect from a guy who knocked over young children and old women to embrace Joe Lieberpud?
-G
Orrin doing the “TSP is X” feint to avoid talking about any of the other programs. Pathetic, transparent, been there several times before with Gonzo et al.
Yes it was FDL. People lined up and sent in money.
Good idea.
As usual great comment for the hatch man. whish I thought of it!
Then they can use the telecoms to root us out after declaring us enemy combatents.
-G
He has switched the subject from immunity for Telcos to bloggers don’t want to stop terrorism from killing their fellow citizens….bloggers are stupid and uninformed.
“December 7″?? PEARL FRICKIN’ HARBOR day?
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.He’s all over the place…very poor organization of his little “bloggers are the problem” speech.
Unbelievable.
Okay, sometimes the obvious takes a while to sink in here at chez Fern - this actually has very little to do with telco immunity - it’s about executive branch immunity. Right?
That is it in a nut shell. start the bonfires! burn that constitution
Orrin Sntatch is a lying sack of shit,and why has he not exploded from hot air that permeates his body
Hatch keeps talking about a pure partisan vote out of the Judiciary committee - didn’t both Specter and Grassley (I think) vote for the Judiciary version of the bill?
Sounds good to me — barf bags to the capitulating Dems and teddy bears to the ‘fraidy cat Rethugs, and a big bunch of flowers to Dodd and his pals for their bravura performace today. Don’t want to leave anyone out at the holidays and all ; )
Bipartisanship? Got it, Orrin. The Democrats on the Intelligence Committee sit up, lie down, roll over, and beg much better than the Democrats on the Judiciary Committee.
Hey they are working over time! Do They paid OT?
Bill Nelson D-FL thanking and complementing Rockefeller and Hatch and agreeing with the bipartisan effort to make a FISA bill. (he talks funny)
That’s why I love this place — thanks for the reminder, my memory tends to be a bit dodgy.
A new Chicago Tribune/WGN statewide survey of likely primary voters in Illinois (conducted 12/9 through 12/13) finds:
Among 500 likely Republican primary voters, former Mayor Rudy Giuliani edges out former Gov. Mike Huckabee (23% to 21%) in a statewide primary; former Gov. Mitt Romney trails at 14%, Sen. John McCain at 12%, Former Sen. Fred Thompson at 11%.
Among 500 likely Democratic primary voters, Sen. Barack Obama leads Sen. Hillary Clinton (50% to 25) in a statewide primary; former Sen. John Edwards trails at 7%.
What if Huckleberry becomes the gooper nominee—what then? Read something this morning that he’s getting huge support from “home schoolers” and other assorted right wing religious zealots- Rudy the city slicker serial adulter and wife abuser vs. the Baptist minister from Arkansas….funny as hell.
Wall St. vs Main St. and the gooper party is about to go up in flames.
Perhaps the 4th Amendment has in fact been rendered “quaint” by technology and the current exigencies of “Terrism.” But, let’s have that discussion openly sans the legions of red herrings and 50 ft tall strawmen.
Bill Nelson D-FL, “Can’t we all get along?” (AKA give the telecos immunity)
Woohoo our local Air America has put the links to sign the petition to Reid on their website. Talking about it on the air now.
Sam Sedar will be on KO tonight to talk about today’s events in the Senate.
well, how about pictures of teddy bears (they can be pricy)
Schumer voted Yea on cloture. That really pisses me off!
Perhaps the 4th Amendment has in fact been rendered “quaint” by technology and the current exigencies of “Terrism.” But, let’s have that discussion openly, sans the legions of red herrings and scary 50 ft tall strawmen.