Comments on: Obama’s Statement on Dodd and Filibuster http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/17/obamas-statement-on-dodd-and-filibuster/ Firedoglake weblog Thu, 26 Nov 2009 04:49:29 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: MarkH http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/17/obamas-statement-on-dodd-and-filibuster/#comment-1153554 MarkH Tue, 18 Dec 2007 05:14:37 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/17/obamas-statement-on-dodd-and-filibuster/#comment-1153554 <blockquote><p>Is Dodd’s policy agenda compatible with Edwards’? Fierce aggregate intelligence there, could be a formidable ticket.</p></blockquote> <p>Dodd has received so little coverage that very few people know what he stands for based on just his campaigning. Those of us who have followed politics for years know his position and I think I can say he fits well with Edwards. He’s been a bit more pro-corp than Edwards sounds, but aside from that they would probably work very well together.</p>

Is Dodd’s policy agenda compatible with Edwards’? Fierce aggregate intelligence there, could be a formidable ticket.

Dodd has received so little coverage that very few people know what he stands for based on just his campaigning. Those of us who have followed politics for years know his position and I think I can say he fits well with Edwards. He’s been a bit more pro-corp than Edwards sounds, but aside from that they would probably work very well together.

]]> By: amberglow http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/17/obamas-statement-on-dodd-and-filibuster/#comment-1153367 amberglow Tue, 18 Dec 2007 03:40:46 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/17/obamas-statement-on-dodd-and-filibuster/#comment-1153367 <p>talk is cheap, and a statement alone is worthless–the fact that the other sitting Senators running were not there on the Senate floor shows their priorities–appalling.</p> talk is cheap, and a statement alone is worthless–the fact that the other sitting Senators running were not there on the Senate floor shows their priorities–appalling.

]]> By: PetePierce http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/17/obamas-statement-on-dodd-and-filibuster/#comment-1152632 PetePierce Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:05:32 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/17/obamas-statement-on-dodd-and-filibuster/#comment-1152632 <p>Forgive me for any double posts, but it’s happening because of an error that comes up probably because of heavy traffic on FDL today, prompting you to try the post again, and then at times the orriginal goes through.</p> Forgive me for any double posts, but it’s happening because of an error that comes up probably because of heavy traffic on FDL today, prompting you to try the post again, and then at times the orriginal goes through.

]]> By: PetePierce http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/17/obamas-statement-on-dodd-and-filibuster/#comment-1152627 PetePierce Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:03:53 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/17/obamas-statement-on-dodd-and-filibuster/#comment-1152627 <p><strong>The first vote on cloture passed by the vote of 76-10 [voting against: Boxer (California), Brown (Ohio), Cantwell (Washington), Cardin (Maryland), Dodd (Connecticut), Feingold (Wisconsin), Harkin (Iowa), Kerry (Massachusetts), Menendez (New Jersey), Wyden (Oregon)]. Missing Senators included Clinton, Obama, Biden, Sanders, and Lautenberg. </strong></p> <p>Keep in mind how difficult Reid made it for the Judiciary version of S. 2248 by bringing the Intelligence version to the floor and making hurdles for the Judiciary burden as Glenn Greewald underscores well.</p> <p>A must read for everyone interested in the FISA bill (lol as opposed to everyone disinterested) is Glenn Greenwald always, and yesterday and today in particular:</p> <p>Harry Reid — compare and contrast<br /> <a href="http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/" rel="nofollow">http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/</a></p> <p>Also we all know that everytime one of the Repubilicans invokes going to the FISA court for a warrant–they fail to state the obvious. The FISA court in its years of entire history has denied warrants in 5/20,000 cases.</p> <p>All this talk of “granting immunity”–I don’t know what the hell they are granting immunity <em>for</em>, and neither does the vast majority of the U.S. Senate and the House of Representatives. That is insane.</p> The first vote on cloture passed by the vote of 76-10 [voting against: Boxer (California), Brown (Ohio), Cantwell (Washington), Cardin (Maryland), Dodd (Connecticut), Feingold (Wisconsin), Harkin (Iowa), Kerry (Massachusetts), Menendez (New Jersey), Wyden (Oregon)]. Missing Senators included Clinton, Obama, Biden, Sanders, and Lautenberg.

Keep in mind how difficult Reid made it for the Judiciary version of S. 2248 by bringing the Intelligence version to the floor and making hurdles for the Judiciary burden as Glenn Greewald underscores well.

A must read for everyone interested in the FISA bill (lol as opposed to everyone disinterested) is Glenn Greenwald always, and yesterday and today in particular:

Harry Reid — compare and contrast
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/

Also we all know that everytime one of the Repubilicans invokes going to the FISA court for a warrant–they fail to state the obvious. The FISA court in its years of entire history has denied warrants in 5/20,000 cases.

All this talk of “granting immunity”–I don’t know what the hell they are granting immunity for, and neither does the vast majority of the U.S. Senate and the House of Representatives. That is insane.

]]> By: Patrickson http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/17/obamas-statement-on-dodd-and-filibuster/#comment-1152625 Patrickson Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:01:37 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/17/obamas-statement-on-dodd-and-filibuster/#comment-1152625 <p>What the hell is the point of believing in something if you don’t take a stand? Statements don’t cut it; votes do.</p> What the hell is the point of believing in something if you don’t take a stand? Statements don’t cut it; votes do.

]]> By: PetePierce http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/17/obamas-statement-on-dodd-and-filibuster/#comment-1152618 PetePierce Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:53:53 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/17/obamas-statement-on-dodd-and-filibuster/#comment-1152618 <p><strong>The first vote on cloture passed by the vote of 76-10 [voting against: Boxer (California), Brown (Ohio), Cantwell (Washington), Cardin (Maryland), Dodd (Connecticut), Feingold (Wisconsin), Harkin (Iowa), Kerry (Massachusetts), Menendez (New Jersey), Wyden (Oregon)]. Missing Senators included Clinton, Obama, Biden, Sanders, and Lautenberg. </strong></p> <p>Keep in mind how difficult Reid made it for the Judiciary version of S. 2248 by bringing the Intelligence version to the floor and making hurdles for the Judiciary burden as Glenn Greewald underscores well.</p> <p>A must read for everyone interested in the FISA bill (lol as opposed to everyone disinterested) is Glenn Greenwald always, and yesterday and today in particular:</p> <p>Harry Reid — compare and contrast<br /> <a href="http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/" rel="nofollow">http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/</a></p> <p>Also we all know that everytime one of the Repubilicans invokes going to the FISA court for a warrant–they fail to state the obvious. The FISA court in its years of entire history has denied warrants in 5/20,000 cases.</p> The first vote on cloture passed by the vote of 76-10 [voting against: Boxer (California), Brown (Ohio), Cantwell (Washington), Cardin (Maryland), Dodd (Connecticut), Feingold (Wisconsin), Harkin (Iowa), Kerry (Massachusetts), Menendez (New Jersey), Wyden (Oregon)]. Missing Senators included Clinton, Obama, Biden, Sanders, and Lautenberg.

Keep in mind how difficult Reid made it for the Judiciary version of S. 2248 by bringing the Intelligence version to the floor and making hurdles for the Judiciary burden as Glenn Greewald underscores well.

A must read for everyone interested in the FISA bill (lol as opposed to everyone disinterested) is Glenn Greenwald always, and yesterday and today in particular:

Harry Reid — compare and contrast
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/

Also we all know that everytime one of the Repubilicans invokes going to the FISA court for a warrant–they fail to state the obvious. The FISA court in its years of entire history has denied warrants in 5/20,000 cases.

]]> By: plooger http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/17/obamas-statement-on-dodd-and-filibuster/#comment-1152603 plooger Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:47:29 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/17/obamas-statement-on-dodd-and-filibuster/#comment-1152603 <p>Beyond Obama’s not being in DC to literally stand beside Dodd in support, he’s also failed to bring his fellow Senator from Illinois to his side. What kind of leadership is that? Effectively nil.</p> <p>Obama: Leadership without results.</p> <p>(I would have hoped that ALL Democratic Presidential candidates would have banded together on this issue, and come forward as a group to support Dodd. This issue is more important than political posturing and they needed to use their short-term political clout to produce a positive result.)</p> Beyond Obama’s not being in DC to literally stand beside Dodd in support, he’s also failed to bring his fellow Senator from Illinois to his side. What kind of leadership is that? Effectively nil.

Obama: Leadership without results.

(I would have hoped that ALL Democratic Presidential candidates would have banded together on this issue, and come forward as a group to support Dodd. This issue is more important than political posturing and they needed to use their short-term political clout to produce a positive result.)

]]> By: looseheadprop http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/17/obamas-statement-on-dodd-and-filibuster/#comment-1152586 looseheadprop Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:41:47 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/17/obamas-statement-on-dodd-and-filibuster/#comment-1152586 <p>left at the bottom of THAT thread</p> left at the bottom of THAT thread

]]> By: looseheadprop http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/17/obamas-statement-on-dodd-and-filibuster/#comment-1152585 looseheadprop Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:40:56 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/17/obamas-statement-on-dodd-and-filibuster/#comment-1152585 <p>I don’t know what the standards are for, non attorneys at DOJ, I also don’t know if it’s different depending onwhether you are in the criminal division vs. the civil division.<br /> But, it owuld seem to me, if your inthe building and could purloin the info, you would proabably have the same level of check.</p> <p> Afriend of mine was monitoring an environmental cleanup at one of the national labs–not doing the work of the lab, doing a groaundwater remediation from a spill. he had the full blown background check that the guys working on the super secret projects get</p> I don’t know what the standards are for, non attorneys at DOJ, I also don’t know if it’s different depending onwhether you are in the criminal division vs. the civil division.
But, it owuld seem to me, if your inthe building and could purloin the info, you would proabably have the same level of check.

Afriend of mine was monitoring an environmental cleanup at one of the national labs–not doing the work of the lab, doing a groaundwater remediation from a spill. he had the full blown background check that the guys working on the super secret projects get

]]> By: bobschacht http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/17/obamas-statement-on-dodd-and-filibuster/#comment-1152582 bobschacht Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:39:08 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/17/obamas-statement-on-dodd-and-filibuster/#comment-1152582 <p>“Kennedy’s point about amnestithizing other Corporations is an excellent one.”</p> <p>Amnesthetizing– a very interesting and probably new word, based on a new? verb- to amnesthetize, i.e. to cover with a blanket of amnesty. Sounds better than “to grant amnesty”. I suspect the preznit is going to be doing a lot of it next year.</p> <p>Bob in HI</p> “Kennedy’s point about amnestithizing other Corporations is an excellent one.”

Amnesthetizing– a very interesting and probably new word, based on a new? verb- to amnesthetize, i.e. to cover with a blanket of amnesty. Sounds better than “to grant amnesty”. I suspect the preznit is going to be doing a lot of it next year.

Bob in HI

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