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		<title>By: Adie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/17/breaking-reid-pulling-telecom-bill/#comment-1154087</link>
		<dc:creator>Adie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you Senator Dodd.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We’re clearing our calendar for January also. ;-&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Senator Dodd.</p>
<p>We’re clearing our calendar for January also. ;-&gt;</p>
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		<title>By: Adie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/17/breaking-reid-pulling-telecom-bill/#comment-1154083</link>
		<dc:creator>Adie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Perhaps they need to have it spelled out to them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Perhaps they do not see it in their interests to encourage the ‘rabble’ of which i are one.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Perhaps they need to be educated.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps they need to have it spelled out to them.</p>
<p>Perhaps they do not see it in their interests to encourage the ‘rabble’ of which i are one.</p>
<p>Perhaps they need to be educated.</p>
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		<title>By: bigBob</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/17/breaking-reid-pulling-telecom-bill/#comment-1154005</link>
		<dc:creator>bigBob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Its Dec  18 2007  and the MSM   is NOT reporting this story   ……….. why . .&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its Dec  18 2007  and the MSM   is NOT reporting this story   ……….. why . .</p>
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		<title>By: siri</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/17/breaking-reid-pulling-telecom-bill/#comment-1153980</link>
		<dc:creator>siri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I watched the filibuster and the arguments for refusing immunity were brilliant.  I was whooping like it was a football game, and especially when Senator Dodd read from Mark Klien’s testimony.  This is HUGE, I immediately donated to Dodd and others should do the same.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;THANK GOD, and if feels good to WIN ONE (or a half of one, or something).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;THANK YOU SENATOR DODD.  Having a responsible leader standing on principle feels GREAT!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;mailto:siri@legitgov.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;siri@legitgov.org&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.legitgov.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.legitgov.org&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched the filibuster and the arguments for refusing immunity were brilliant.  I was whooping like it was a football game, and especially when Senator Dodd read from Mark Klien’s testimony.  This is HUGE, I immediately donated to Dodd and others should do the same.</p>
<p>THANK GOD, and if feels good to WIN ONE (or a half of one, or something).</p>
<p>THANK YOU SENATOR DODD.  Having a responsible leader standing on principle feels GREAT!<br />
<a href="mailto:siri@legitgov.org" rel="nofollow">siri@legitgov.org</a><br />
<a href="http://www.legitgov.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.legitgov.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: TomR</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/17/breaking-reid-pulling-telecom-bill/#comment-1153857</link>
		<dc:creator>TomR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thank God for Dodd!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;- Tom&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank God for Dodd!</p>
<p>- Tom</p>
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		<title>By: VJBinCT</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/17/breaking-reid-pulling-telecom-bill/#comment-1153788</link>
		<dc:creator>VJBinCT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;this is what I added to my signature on the petition:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Senator Reid, I am sorely disappointed with you and your leadership.  Don’t you realize WHY we the people made you the majority last year?  Talk to people outside the Beltway; it’s not the real America.  With few exceptions, it is a snake pit of self-important, self-serving poseurs of no real conviction.  We had hoped you were one of those exceptions.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is what I added to my signature on the petition:</p>
<p>Senator Reid, I am sorely disappointed with you and your leadership.  Don’t you realize WHY we the people made you the majority last year?  Talk to people outside the Beltway; it’s not the real America.  With few exceptions, it is a snake pit of self-important, self-serving poseurs of no real conviction.  We had hoped you were one of those exceptions.</p>
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		<title>By: MDCitizen</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/17/breaking-reid-pulling-telecom-bill/#comment-1153706</link>
		<dc:creator>MDCitizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 06:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Battle of the Monacacy, in Frederick, Maryland, was a defeat, in that the Federal forces did not send the Confederates running back to Virginia.  However, by delaying the Confederate attack on Washington, D.C., for one day, the Federals allowed Grant time to prepare his defenses of Washington, and the Capitol was saved. So today’s small strategic battle may, indeed, set the stage for a greater victory in January, and the Constitution may yet be saved.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Look at how just knowing that Dodd was willing to stand up and filibuster galvanized so many of us into action.  I certainly did not send hundreds - or even tens - of e-mails or faxes.  But I sent some, and many other people sent some.  And the collective e-mails and faxes that were sent, and phone calls that were made, did have an effect.  They showed our “employees” that their “bosses” were watching.  Today, the telecoms do not have immunity, and Bush was unsuccessful in repeating his August victory.  That’s a huge deal.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And how hard was it, really?  The work was not so hard for us.  The acceptance of inevitable defeat is what is hard.  But we were not defeated today.  And, if we keep working like we have the past 24 hours, we will not be defeated in January.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And if we keep up the good work, maybe we can still get Bush and Cheney impeached and save the Capitol.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Battle of the Monacacy, in Frederick, Maryland, was a defeat, in that the Federal forces did not send the Confederates running back to Virginia.  However, by delaying the Confederate attack on Washington, D.C., for one day, the Federals allowed Grant time to prepare his defenses of Washington, and the Capitol was saved. So today’s small strategic battle may, indeed, set the stage for a greater victory in January, and the Constitution may yet be saved.</p>
<p>Look at how just knowing that Dodd was willing to stand up and filibuster galvanized so many of us into action.  I certainly did not send hundreds &#8211; or even tens &#8211; of e-mails or faxes.  But I sent some, and many other people sent some.  And the collective e-mails and faxes that were sent, and phone calls that were made, did have an effect.  They showed our “employees” that their “bosses” were watching.  Today, the telecoms do not have immunity, and Bush was unsuccessful in repeating his August victory.  That’s a huge deal.  </p>
<p>And how hard was it, really?  The work was not so hard for us.  The acceptance of inevitable defeat is what is hard.  But we were not defeated today.  And, if we keep working like we have the past 24 hours, we will not be defeated in January.  </p>
<p>And if we keep up the good work, maybe we can still get Bush and Cheney impeached and save the Capitol.</p>
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		<title>By: Garbo</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/17/breaking-reid-pulling-telecom-bill/#comment-1153669</link>
		<dc:creator>Garbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 06:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This whole thing makes me more suspicious than happy.  Like maybe they pulled the bill to ensure that the major candidates (yeah, you, clinton and obama) would not have to go on the record on an issue that people clearly care about, at least not before the first round of primaries.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole thing makes me more suspicious than happy.  Like maybe they pulled the bill to ensure that the major candidates (yeah, you, clinton and obama) would not have to go on the record on an issue that people clearly care about, at least not before the first round of primaries.</p>
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		<title>By: fahrender</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/17/breaking-reid-pulling-telecom-bill/#comment-1153652</link>
		<dc:creator>fahrender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 06:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;thanks, again, Jane.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;whether or not the amnesty gets taken out, the point has been made. if Chris Dodd’s support grows from this event other democrats may take notice and begin acting less like sheeple. i’m not a pollyanna so i’m still skeptical that this is more than a small strategic battle won but, hey, i’ll take it. the long march to a really progressive Democratic Party is very long, indeed, and we must have determination, patience and resolve. rock on.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;haven’t been around lately, the workload has been crushing. miss you guys …..&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks, again, Jane.</p>
<p>whether or not the amnesty gets taken out, the point has been made. if Chris Dodd’s support grows from this event other democrats may take notice and begin acting less like sheeple. i’m not a pollyanna so i’m still skeptical that this is more than a small strategic battle won but, hey, i’ll take it. the long march to a really progressive Democratic Party is very long, indeed, and we must have determination, patience and resolve. rock on.</p>
<p>haven’t been around lately, the workload has been crushing. miss you guys …..</p>
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		<title>By: serena1313</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/17/breaking-reid-pulling-telecom-bill/#comment-1153620</link>
		<dc:creator>serena1313</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 06:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There were a lot of remarks about Bush’s argument re: telecoms financial “ruin” if they are not granted immunity:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1) that suggests that those who argue for amnesty presume the telecoms would lose their case at trial.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2) But bankruptcy? 23 October 2007:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;AT&amp;T’s 3rd quarter “net” income rose 41.5%&lt;br /&gt;
AT&amp;T’s “net” income total for the 3rd quarter in 2007: $3.06 billion&lt;br /&gt;
AT&amp;T’s “net” income total for the 3rd quarter in 2006: $2.17 billion&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That is net income for one quarter. So the “bankrupt” argument is moot.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Plus bottom line this is not about money it is about oversight and the rule of law, Americans’ privacy and checks-and-balances.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If the telecoms get immunity, then Bush is off the hook. It also leads to other dangers as mentioned in many of the comments above.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The essential and fundamental principle that has kept America from falling under a tyrannical government was that “no man is above the law.” But Bush &amp; Cheney have many-times-over put themselves shamelessly above the law, domestically and internationally, disregarded Constitutional restraints, and without compunction have sought to belie, mislead and manipulate the public.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The phrase “we’re at war” has led to a brutal assault on America’s constitutional democracy. It has been used as an excuse to suspend justice, the rule of law, moral principles and human decency. The architectural deconstruction of our system of government, the suspension of the law and the rejection of moral principles because “we are at war” are the anti-thesis of a democratic government and bear no legitimacy in justice.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The purpose of government is to protect and generate the welfare of the people. But Bush pursues his own political goals of power while lessening executive and government accountability. His strategy to forge and fortify executive power is being cemented into place so its penetrability and reversal will be extremely difficult. It is no exaggeration that all of the GOP presidential candidates embrace Bush’s overreaching plan to establish an executive who rules by fiat.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Their perverse abuse of power is changing the way government operates while destroying America’s form of democracy and freedom.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;America cannot be destroyed from external threats, but it can be destroyed  from the inside. And that is exactly what Bush &amp; Cheney are doing.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were a lot of remarks about Bush’s argument re: telecoms financial “ruin” if they are not granted immunity:</p>
<p>1) that suggests that those who argue for amnesty presume the telecoms would lose their case at trial.</p>
<p>2) But bankruptcy? 23 October 2007:</p>
<p>AT&amp;T’s 3rd quarter “net” income rose 41.5%<br />
AT&amp;T’s “net” income total for the 3rd quarter in 2007: $3.06 billion<br />
AT&amp;T’s “net” income total for the 3rd quarter in 2006: $2.17 billion</p>
<p>That is net income for one quarter. So the “bankrupt” argument is moot.</p>
<p>Plus bottom line this is not about money it is about oversight and the rule of law, Americans’ privacy and checks-and-balances.</p>
<p>If the telecoms get immunity, then Bush is off the hook. It also leads to other dangers as mentioned in many of the comments above.</p>
<p>The essential and fundamental principle that has kept America from falling under a tyrannical government was that “no man is above the law.” But Bush &amp; Cheney have many-times-over put themselves shamelessly above the law, domestically and internationally, disregarded Constitutional restraints, and without compunction have sought to belie, mislead and manipulate the public.</p>
<p>The phrase “we’re at war” has led to a brutal assault on America’s constitutional democracy. It has been used as an excuse to suspend justice, the rule of law, moral principles and human decency. The architectural deconstruction of our system of government, the suspension of the law and the rejection of moral principles because “we are at war” are the anti-thesis of a democratic government and bear no legitimacy in justice.</p>
<p>The purpose of government is to protect and generate the welfare of the people. But Bush pursues his own political goals of power while lessening executive and government accountability. His strategy to forge and fortify executive power is being cemented into place so its penetrability and reversal will be extremely difficult. It is no exaggeration that all of the GOP presidential candidates embrace Bush’s overreaching plan to establish an executive who rules by fiat.</p>
<p>Their perverse abuse of power is changing the way government operates while destroying America’s form of democracy and freedom.</p>
<p>America cannot be destroyed from external threats, but it can be destroyed  from the inside. And that is exactly what Bush &amp; Cheney are doing.</p>
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