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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/17/being-a-patriot-is-something-that-you-do/#comment-1153267</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 02:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Kit Bond says FISA endangers our troops&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Evidence?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Kit Bond says FISA endangers our troops</p>
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<p>Evidence?</p>
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		<title>By: nahant</title>
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		<dc:creator>nahant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great speech by Barbra Boxer! She covers the issue of FEAR which is used by the administration and bushes true motives. No basket warrants. No immunity!! She is telling it like it is rule of law(Quest)!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great speech by Barbra Boxer! She covers the issue of FEAR which is used by the administration and bushes true motives. No basket warrants. No immunity!! She is telling it like it is rule of law(Quest)!</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/17/being-a-patriot-is-something-that-you-do/#comment-1152083</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;i recommend you read rule 22 (it gives the basic process, but without all the details of what can be done). the key point, i think is that one senator can not delay the process that long - unless he has lots of help. maybe only a max of four days (? i think, but am not sure about that).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;so there are two issues at hand (imo).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1. is dodd serious about the filibuster? - that is questioned by cbolts’s issue of the uc this morning - and my complaint on the uc on friday&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2. are any of the other senators who say they “support” the filibuster really supporting it, or is it lip service only? - that, i think, will be show by who shows up on the senate floor to help extend the debate.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i recommend you read rule 22 (it gives the basic process, but without all the details of what can be done). the key point, i think is that one senator can not delay the process that long &#8211; unless he has lots of help. maybe only a max of four days (? i think, but am not sure about that).</p>
<p>so there are two issues at hand (imo).</p>
<p>1. is dodd serious about the filibuster? &#8211; that is questioned by cbolts’s issue of the uc this morning &#8211; and my complaint on the uc on friday</p>
<p>2. are any of the other senators who say they “support” the filibuster really supporting it, or is it lip service only? &#8211; that, i think, will be show by who shows up on the senate floor to help extend the debate.</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/17/being-a-patriot-is-something-that-you-do/#comment-1152076</link>
		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’d also like to point out in view of Christy’s defense of a desultory, duped Senator who never had to work a day in his life, that one would be very naive to think that this DOJ that is in favor of destruction of tapes, evidence, and State Secrets will not use this email tapping and phone tapping that essentially focuses  programs like ECHELON, CALEA, and many other wire and email and bank tapping prgorams onto all domestic American communications to tap dfense attorneys’ communications with their clients to grab their strategies and gain this advantage in prosecutions.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This very concern was addressed on a pervious thread initiated by Jane by a number of Defense Attorneys yesterday.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’d also like to point out in view of Christy’s defense of a desultory, duped Senator who never had to work a day in his life, that one would be very naive to think that this DOJ that is in favor of destruction of tapes, evidence, and State Secrets will not use this email tapping and phone tapping that essentially focuses  programs like ECHELON, CALEA, and many other wire and email and bank tapping prgorams onto all domestic American communications to tap dfense attorneys’ communications with their clients to grab their strategies and gain this advantage in prosecutions.</p>
<p>This very concern was addressed on a pervious thread initiated by Jane by a number of Defense Attorneys yesterday.</p>
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		<title>By: Adie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/17/being-a-patriot-is-something-that-you-do/#comment-1152045</link>
		<dc:creator>Adie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Durbin &amp; Webb &amp; Schumer &amp; Kennedy(!) voted FOR the stinker.  Phoo!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Reid up.  Says Dodd has spoken with him about offering an amendment dealing with immunity.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Durbin &amp; Webb &amp; Schumer &amp; Kennedy(!) voted FOR the stinker.  Phoo!</p>
<p>Reid up.  Says Dodd has spoken with him about offering an amendment dealing with immunity.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/17/being-a-patriot-is-something-that-you-do/#comment-1152042</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Going back to Christy’s defense of Jay Rockefeller at #25.  If Jay Rockefeller is in tune with West Virgina, fine.  But why is he the Chairman of the Intelligence Committee, where he is doing a pitifully poor job?  How are WV’s or anyone else’s interests served by that?  There are probably many other committees where Rockefeller could do more good for the country and the people of WV, ones to do with health, education, agriculture, or economic issues.  Somehow when I think of the Intelligence Committee and its work, the state of WV does not instantly spring to mind. Defending Rockefeller reminds me of what neighbors of an axe murderer tend to say:  “He was really very nice when he wasn’t chopping people up.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Going back to Christy’s defense of Jay Rockefeller at #25.  If Jay Rockefeller is in tune with West Virgina, fine.  But why is he the Chairman of the Intelligence Committee, where he is doing a pitifully poor job?  How are WV’s or anyone else’s interests served by that?  There are probably many other committees where Rockefeller could do more good for the country and the people of WV, ones to do with health, education, agriculture, or economic issues.  Somehow when I think of the Intelligence Committee and its work, the state of WV does not instantly spring to mind. Defending Rockefeller reminds me of what neighbors of an axe murderer tend to say:  “He was really very nice when he wasn’t chopping people up.”</p>
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		<title>By: Adie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Durbin voted FOR the stinker.  Phoo!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Durbin voted FOR the stinker.  Phoo!</p>
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		<title>By: FrankProbst</title>
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		<dc:creator>FrankProbst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Tubes are clogged…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tubes are clogged…</p>
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		<title>By: Biodun</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/17/being-a-patriot-is-something-that-you-do/#comment-1152023</link>
		<dc:creator>Biodun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Christy’s upstairs… If you can get there.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christy’s upstairs… If you can get there.</p>
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		<title>By: MDCitizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>MDCitizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;From Sporkovat at 205:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;but with all due respect, I suspect that no matter what Clinton or Obama or Edwards do on this issue, or any issue, nothing will dissuade prominent Progrssive bloggers from supporting whoever gets the nomination.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;therefore, in the abscence of any deterrant, why should (D) Presidential candidates care in the slightest what Progressives think about this or any issue?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Edwards is out of this fight because he’s not a senator and can’t vote.  If Obama and/or Clinton allow this to slide, they run a real risk of losing votes to Edwards, imho.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Sporkovat at 205:
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<blockquote><p>but with all due respect, I suspect that no matter what Clinton or Obama or Edwards do on this issue, or any issue, nothing will dissuade prominent Progrssive bloggers from supporting whoever gets the nomination.</p></blockquote>
<p>therefore, in the abscence of any deterrant, why should (D) Presidential candidates care in the slightest what Progressives think about this or any issue?</p>
<p>Edwards is out of this fight because he’s not a senator and can’t vote.  If Obama and/or Clinton allow this to slide, they run a real risk of losing votes to Edwards, imho.</p>
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