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Joe Lieberman, who owes his Senate seat to Republicans who wanted someone more conservative than Lowell Weicker, the principled Rockefeller Republican who sealed Nixon's doom by backing impeachment, has done it again: He's screwed another politician named Clinton.
The first time was September 3, 1998. The Republican CoupGate push against Bill Clinton was faltering, as most of America liked the job Bill was doing and didn't want him removed because of who he did or didn't diddle. But then Joe Lieberman stepped forward, crying his crocodile tears of condemnation, and bingo! The Republicans got their fake "bipartisan" cover and kept the impeachment drive (aka "Revenge for Nixon") alive for another two years.
So it shouldn't surprise anyone that Joe Lieberman has repaid Hillary Clinton's and Harry Reid's sticking up for him and his committee memberships in the wake of his primary loss to Ned Lamont by -- you guessed it -- spitting in her face by endorsing John McCain for president.
Obama and Edwards have got to be chuckling right now. They both knew that there was no way in the world that Short Ride Joe would ever endorse either of them, but it was pretty much assumed that Lieberman, who painted himself as a good friend of the Clintons despite his calculated and self-serving betrayal of them, was going to be in Hillary's camp.
Then again, while this will of course lower Hillary's credibility with the Village's Kool Kids, all of whom officially worship Lieberman, it may actually help her with the netroots, if not the Democratic base itself. And maybe, just maybe, this might wean Hillary from following Lieberman's lead like a puppy dog whenever he touts some neofascist "family friendly" feel-good garbage legislation.
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bipartisan = bend-over
Didn’t she support him against Lamont?
Bill and Hill also did their damndest to give Holy Joe their support in 2006 - even though they pretended to support Ned Lamont. And look what it (might) get them!!!
The Clintons live in Chappaqua - about 10 miles from some fine dining in CT….but they both managed to stay out of CT during the general election so they never had to actually stand with Ned. There are also rumors that after the primary they told Ned to take his vacation while they worked on Holy Joe so he wouldn’t run as an indy.
Wow - great work Bill and Hill. With friends like you, who needs enemies?
Joe Lieberman is scum, loyal only to the Republicans. Too bad for Senator Clinton that she refused to know him for what he is.
Yup - they tried to make it look like they supported Ned and CT Dems, but it was all a charade.
I’m still blind because of the sharp stick they put in the eyes of all CT Dems.
What the hell does it take for Reid to strip this bastard of his seniority and his useless chairmanship? Rape Gurney Joe should be shown the door of the democratic caucus. Just go and be who you are Joe and get the fuck outta my face.
I believe Sen Clinton may be channelling punaise right about now: “My contempt for Joe Liebermann . . .”
In the case of Kyl-Lieberman, I believe that she was not just blindly following Lieberman’s lead. Rather, I believe that she was triangulating into what she perceives as interests of her Jewish constituents in NYC, Long Island, and Westchester vis-a-vis Israel. However, as Glenn Greenwald has convincingly pointed out via analysis of polling data, the conventional MSM wisdom on Jewish opinion of Israel in the US–driven as it is by neo-con talking points–is very wrong.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/g.....index.html
If she’d been smart about it, she would have done so long before now.
Not so sure about Obama. After all some say Lieberman is his mentor.. Clearly Obama likes Lieberman and his beloved calls for bipartisainshit.
What makes you think Reid wants to punish Lieberman?
Joe Lieberman back-stabbed a Democrat? Shocker! Spit. Sen. Susan Collins is connected to McCain’s campaign, so it’s no wonder ole Joe is supporting McCain now.
I suppose the best way to look at this is McCain is being supported by reich wing jackboot lickers and we all know how tired Americans are of those people.
Lieberman McCain ‘08! /s
http://ap.google.com/article/A.....gD8TIQRKG0
Better late than never, I always say.
For awhile now, I’ve thought that McCain would chose Suzie-Q Collins as his VP to show how “hip” he is. But hey, it wouldn’t surprise me if he chose Lieberman…another phony moderate like Suzie!
Funny thing– it never once occurred to me that Lieberman would endorse a Democrat, not even Clinton.
If I’d thought about it for more than three seconds, I think McCain would have been the obvious choice. But I do find it difficult to care.
Agreed. Except for the slap in the face to both the Clintons and Obamas.. which they should have seen coming many years before now.. I say nothing but, good riddance Joe.
I have to say, I wish he’d endorsed Clinton, just because I think it would have been a major hit to her campaign. But that’s just me :)
As it happens, Holy Joe’s latest treason would seem to stand for nothing–last I checked, McCain stands a slim chance of surviving the primaries.
I still think it will be McCain/Lieberman on the “Unity ‘08″ ticket. That will have Broderella and all the other third way weenies in DC panting.
It is strange since by this time we know they are fraternal twins separated at birth.
PW- So Right on!!!! This is why (deep down) I dislike this woman so greatly. Plus everytime I see the photo of Bill expressing his disdain for Obama (on Huff for ex), all I can see is his/their minds on how much money they will LOSE if Hillary DOESN’T get the nomination.
$$$$$$$Bill$$$$$$$Hill$$$$$$$
This is why I also dislike the DCC so much. The country is in such DIRE need - materially, ethically, constitution, and what are they interested in? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Plus, and I don’t mean this disparagingly, they look so OLD, meaning old hat, old and tired, old and irrelevant. (Gore is the same age, but look at the difference, and in the accomplishments. Ditto Jimmy Carter and Chris Dodd). With Hill/Bill there is no THERE there. I think the country is beginning to get it.
I’m going to go out on a very odd limb here and say that I think McCain will actually be the Republican nominee.
The pollin data is as irrelevant wrt to Jews as it is to others Americans. Hillary’s course is determined by her PACmasters.
So…if Hillary doesn’t make it as Prez…will she finally ditch William?
Senator ‘Hope’ specifically asked for Joey the Liarman to be his mentor in the Senate. Fact not fiction despite what the legions of Obama cultists believe.
On Lieberman and Obama. WHile he is not on my good side on this at least he did not come to Ct. and press for Lieberman as Bill did (with Hill’s approval). Bill, in many ways was the difference that took Lieberlier over the top.
Lord Amighty
Lieberman screws somebody
Juliewaters - I agree with you on McCain. And, he will be the most difficult to beat.
Ewwwww…….!
Hey PW. Lieberman’s always been a weasel, but it shows more than it used to. Or maybe just more publicly.
There’s a lot that suggests the Dems are going to control the Hill by an even larger majority after the ‘08 elections. That’d be a good time to remove the Big L from all those committee seats he bargained for in ‘06.
thank you, TexB :)
Yep. Hillary’s not really following Joe. They are just both following some of the same PACmasters.
Roxanne - But good luck with that one with Schumer and Rahm doing the picking. They like what Lieberlier represents.
Have already sent e-mails to my two Senators, Boxer and Feinstein, and to Reid, demanding that Lieberman be removed from his committees and that he not be allowed to call himself a Democrat. This is the absolute end for me.
Hillary, Bill, and Joe are so……90’s.
Pelosi and Reid are so…80’s.
Twain, I also get the feeling that if Obama or Edwards get the nod, that Hillary will declare for McCain as well, i.e. for Hillary it is all about continuing the war at all costs (do they have investments in armaments?).
Seems like this is good for all of the democrats. No more having to tippy-toe around the liar.
Does anybody know if there is a way for the senate to replace Reid leading the senate? Is it something that happens annually or does he get his spot for as long as the dems have a majority?
As a New Yorker, I try so hard to give Schumer the benefit of the doubt.
I excoriated him via e-mail about his support for Mukasey, and the response I received was very detailed and, it seemed, anguished. The impression I got was that Schumer really wants to do the right thing in situations like this, but is somehow restricted as a matter of political survival from doing so.
I haven’t decided yet whether that is really true, or if he just wants it to appear that way to appease–at least to some extent–progressive constituents.
Hill and Bill are so 90s
Pelosi is so 50s (poodle skirts)
Reid is so 1890s (big biz)
No. She will absolutely, under no circumstances, support a Republican presidential candidate.
“I still think it will be McCain/Lieberman on the “Unity ‘08″ ticket. That will have Broderella and all the other third way weenies in DC panting.”
I agree - you can see the weenies lining up against Huckabee already - so their only option will be McCain. And with Holy Joe licking McCain’s pant legs, they will be over the moon!
Hey, I think any Dem could beat that ticket. If Obama thinks Hillary is the wrong generation, what in the hell are these two jokers?
Feinstein is a dinosaur
LOL - you are so right about Pelosi, what was I thinking!! Beach Baby Bingo…Annette Funiccelo….Frankie Avalon…
hey dogs!
been busy all day, but man I MISS you
so I guess that nails it, lieberamn is the republican vp choice
I think most of us guessed that a while ago
I see dodd is going to filubuster fisa, THANK FRIGGIN GOODNESS…good on him, and DAMN IT reid and pelosi HAVE GOT TO GO
Please don’t insult our friend the therapod.
This is absolutely correct, because to do so would make her unelectable ever again for anything ever, even village dog catcher of Chappaqua.
Oh, but Obama purposively avoided CT - he was in NY for a book signing and had to be in Mass. two days later - now CT is right in between - but he managed not to step foot in the Nutmeg state for fear that someone might ask him to make a commitment against his favorite senator, Holy Joe Lieberman.
He was as bad as the Clintons.
It really was horrible the way the powerful Dems hung Lamont out to dry.
Correct. She will be done in NY and any further Presidential aspirations - gone.
OMG…sorry :(…I wasn’t thinking…
She’s a mummy.
we need edwards or kucinich or dodd
we need to get hillary and obama where they belong, which is not in the presidential race
no more corporate candidates, no more politicians bought by big bussiness
I think it would thrill the a goodly chunk of the “centrist” (which I always take to mean unaffiliated conservative) punderati if that happened, but I also think that there are far too many people with an ax to grind with McCain and not enough people who actually like Lieberman to get them the kind of support a Republican would need next year.
They both have too many scores to settle and genuinely nasty tempers. They couldn’t be relied on to play ball.
Some of the folks running on our side, sadly, seem as if they could be, and it would have the added advantage that a Democrat would be in office when the chickens started to fly home to roost.
Physioprof - Schumer like Specter, speak the good talk, and show the “proper” anguish, but in the end, they follow the DCC/rethug party line! Spare me, is my response. NY can do so much better.
Second that!!
Today Edwards said,
He will stop the war.
He will stop the illegal spying on Americans, and he emphasized illegal 2X.
He will provide universal health care with a choice.
He will stop all renditions and black sites and all torture.
Why do you give Schumer the benefit of the doubt. Name 3 good things he’s ever done for NYS or the USA.
I’m shocked–SHOCKED I tell you!–that Lieberman would endorse a Republican. I’ll be over by the slot machines if you need me.
perris, go back a couple of threads and leave a note for Dodd to read on the senate floor!
LS - Feinstein as Mummy! Yes. the same mask.
I could have sworn that he swallowed.
(1) He’s not a Republican. (2) He caucuses with the Democrats. (3) I ran into him in a restaurant once and he shook my hand and engaged in polite conversation for a few minutes.
I’m sure there’s more, but I’ll have to get back to you on it.
So do you think Tim Tagaris was telling a lie about Clinton’s support for Lamont?
LOL. Good enough for me.
On Hilly & McCain. You guys are probably right, but there are good friends, and if McCain were to chose a Dem or Repub-lite as VP (Lieberman, Bloomberg) she could weave.
the most important issues for America to survive;
1) consolidated ownership of media MUST end and they must be broken up
2) corporate “peoplehood” must be rescinded, a corporation may NOT participate in elections or politics, IF a person wants to participate, they need to disolve their corporation and they need to answer themselves for what they do
no corporate umbrella of protection to anyone who contributes to campaigns
NO MORE LAW FOR SALE
even more important then the occupation in Iraq, these two issues are things that must get done if we can hope to survive
On a more serious note, am I the only one who’d forgotten that McCain was even in the race? All of the debate wrap-ups so far have stuck to five major themes:
1. Giuliani attacked Romney.
2. Romney attacked Giuliani.
3. Huckabee seemed above the fray.
4. Ron Paul is against the war but bat-shit crazy about everything else.
5. Thompson had a disappointing night.
McCain’s name almost never comes up, and when it does, it’s usually in the context of being brain-washed by the Vietnamese to oppose torture.
Dodd, FISA and the Filibuster — How It’s Going To Go Down and What You Can Do.
That is a great thread with incredible! comments
will try to find said thread and type up one of my WORLD famous rants
Frank, and….. there is always the outliar, Jeb!
I don’t think Bloomberg would ever run on a ticket as VP. He’d rather be Governor of NY, and Spitzer is, at least for now, very weak.
Sunday night OT, Dan Fogleberg died today. Wonder if RevDeb ever saw him at the Red Herring in Urbana?
If McCain is nominated, we will be seeing a lot of the picture of him hugging Bush.
Edwards is a proven anti-Corporation fighter…(I didn’t phrase that the way I would like, but I’m not telling you anything you don’t already know, I just had to say it) :)
50 years from now, this is going to be considered one of the most momentous events in American legal history, ranking up there with enactment of the 14th Amendment.
Hello, everyone!
Gee, think that Bill still thinks Holy Joe’s “a good Democrat”? ;-)
RE: Obama — I’ve heard different things about how close they actually are. If they were close, then Obama’s got to be pissed off. Maybe it might serve to push him away from Liebermanism.
Just to be clear, I am referring to the creation of corporate personhood.
A-yep.
Here’s the real question —- what exactly is Joe’s endorsement worth? Who listens? Who rebels?
Re: A possible McCain/Lieberman “unity” ticket.
I’m not sure why the media seems to like the idea of a merger of two major political parties (in this case, the GOP and CfL). But I have to say that such a pairing would infuriate the Republican base. They hate McCain already, and if you think they’ve got problems with a Mormon, you can’t expect them to embrace an orthodox Jew who was once Al Gore’s running mate. They’d lose 30 of their “base” voters for every 10 “swing” voters they picked up.
Poison!!!
Yes, and considering the pressure on Obama (a highly popular figure at the time of the Lamont race) to come out for Joe after the primary, and considering he was in the Ct. neighborhood, and considering that he was his supposed “protege” I think this speaks to how Obama feels. By the way there were VERY FEW prominent Dems who felt they could buck the DCC charge to support Lieberlier.
I think it’s actually the Kiss of Death for McCain. It’s a wake-up call for Hillary and (perhaps) Obama that sucking up to the Villagers and their favored people doesn’t pay. And it vastly amuses John Edwards.
Lol! Lol! Lol!
Podhoretz jumped too soon.
Now that it’s evident Giuliani is damaged goods, Lieberman endorses…McCain!
Talk about desperate. Full circle for the neocons.
Hilarious.
thanks PW!
Perfect.
I’d bet that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are listening.
In all seriousness, though, I think it’s going to bite McCain (and all of the other Republicans, for that matter) in the ass. The last thing they need is for people to start thinking about Iraq, and that’s the only big issue that McCain and Lieberman have in common.
Well with the Lieberman endorsement, McCain has I believe a lock on the whiny, backstabber vote.
OT
04 woman’s rights panel on C-SPAN3, with Naomi Wolf, Gail Collins, among others.
ouch!
I hate to say that we were right all along, but…oh, no, wait…I DON’T hate to say it! We kicked Joe’s ass to the curb for very good reasons. I hope the DCC is finally starting to get that.
So Hillary’s going to be on six morning shows tomorrow morning.
Doesn’t she have something slightly more important to attend to?
So you think he’s going to take South Carolina?
left one of my patented comments, did not do a grammar check but I wanted to post as soon as possible
how’d I do?;
IIRC, Hillary met with and endorsed Ned Lamont at her home. There was some discussion about the decor. Later, Bill Clinton, supported Lierberman in CT, even though at that point Liarman was no longer even a Democrat - Liarman hads formed a one-man party - CT for Liarman. All about money with Bill and Hill is right. Liarman had backstabbed Bill Clinton hard and Bill coddled Liarman anyway. No principles.
Whoa! What do you call the full Ginsburg plus one?
you did just fine, perris! :)
Loo Hoo - you mean like a filibuster to save the country!
I would like to see her there, but isn’t the most important thing the absence of a vote from her in favor of cloture?
his shtick still works on most democrats, only progressives understand he is a judas sheep
Whoa! What do you call the full Ginsburg plus one?
I saw the best minds of my generation. . .
Rape Gurney Joe’s got the Senate Democrats over a barrel. If they pull his committee spots in retaliation, he caucuses with the Republicans and gets them back. And THAT would give Bush back his recesses to pack the judiciary with as many Liberty University graduates as he can scrap up.
I wish I could say, “Do it anyway,” but the judiciary’s too important. The only solution here is a larger Senate majority in 2009. Then Holy Joe can go hang.
Bah hahahahahaha! You’re not kidding.
oops, that isn’t what I left down there,
this is;
I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked,
dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn looking for an angry fix;
Angel-headed hipsters burning for the ancient heavenly connection
to the starry dynamo in the machinery of night.
Ginsberg
Lieberman is a puke. He is pukier than Lindsey Graham. And Graham is very much a puke.
A VoteVet hombre is going to run against McConnell…Jon Soltz via HuffPo:
As an Iraq war veteran, today is pretty exciting for me and all the other vets I talk with. Today, one of our own took the first step towards knocking off Senator Mitch McConnell in 2008. Iraq War Veteran Andrew Horne jumped into the race.
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Andrew Horne, who had to step down as a Senior Advisor to VoteVets.org to run this race, not only has a good shot to beat McConnell, he has a tremendous shot. That’s got us Iraq veterans pumped because not only will we have a voice in the Senate that comes from our own ranks, but we’re also going to take down the guy who is the single most responsible person in Congress for the war in Iraq, as well as the defeat of pro-troop, pro-veteran legislation.
The holy roller vote will go for Huckabee. Besides, the good old boys know Lieberman is one of them EwJays.
Hackworth: On Hill-Bill and Lieberlier: Yup!
That’s really good, using “conservative” framing–private property, crime, sexual modesty, business–to argue for civil liberty.
hehe
you’re on to me aren’t you
Yeah, perris. That is awesome! Great work. Thanks.
Sorry I’m writing so ambiguously tonight. I realize that “really good” could be read sarcastically. I mean it sincerely; it is a good strategy for progressives to make it very clear that what we want is just the basic stuff that most people want.
Yes! I don’t entirely blame Clinton, though. Harry could have coordinated this with the candidates. He didn’t need to do the rush job that he did, and I’m sure Hillary’s campaign had to have arranged this before Harry did last thing on Friday. I’m pissed off at Harry, big time. Does anyone know if he can be removed as Leader?