Joe Lieberman, who owes his Senate seat to Republicans who wanted someone more conservative than Lowell Weicker, the principled Rockefeller Republican who sealed Nixon’s doom by backing impeachment, has done it again: He’s screwed another politician named Clinton.
The first time was September 3, 1998. The Republican CoupGate push against Bill Clinton was faltering, as most of America liked the job Bill was doing and didn’t want him removed because of who he did or didn’t diddle. But then Joe Lieberman stepped forward, crying his crocodile tears of condemnation, and bingo! The Republicans got their fake "bipartisan" cover and kept the impeachment drive (aka "Revenge for Nixon") alive for another two years.
So it shouldn’t surprise anyone that Joe Lieberman has repaid Hillary Clinton’s and Harry Reid’s sticking up for him and his committee memberships in the wake of his primary loss to Ned Lamont by — you guessed it — spitting in her face by endorsing John McCain for president.
Obama and Edwards have got to be chuckling right now. They both knew that there was no way in the world that Short Ride Joe would ever endorse either of them, but it was pretty much assumed that Lieberman, who painted himself as a good friend of the Clintons despite his calculated and self-serving betrayal of them, was going to be in Hillary’s camp.
Then again, while this will of course lower Hillary’s credibility with the Village’s Kool Kids, all of whom officially worship Lieberman, it may actually help her with the netroots, if not the Democratic base itself. And maybe, just maybe, this might wean Hillary from following Lieberman’s lead like a puppy dog whenever he touts some neofascist "family friendly" feel-good garbage legislation.
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bipartisan = bend-over
Didn’t she support him against Lamont?
Bill and Hill also did their damndest to give Holy Joe their support in 2006 – even though they pretended to support Ned Lamont. And look what it (might) get them!!!
The Clintons live in Chappaqua – about 10 miles from some fine dining in CT….but they both managed to stay out of CT during the general election so they never had to actually stand with Ned. There are also rumors that after the primary they told Ned to take his vacation while they worked on Holy Joe so he wouldn’t run as an indy.
Wow – great work Bill and Hill. With friends like you, who needs enemies?
Joe Lieberman is scum, loyal only to the Republicans. Too bad for Senator Clinton that she refused to know him for what he is.
Yup – they tried to make it look like they supported Ned and CT Dems, but it was all a charade.
I’m still blind because of the sharp stick they put in the eyes of all CT Dems.
What the hell does it take for Reid to strip this bastard of his seniority and his useless chairmanship? Rape Gurney Joe should be shown the door of the democratic caucus. Just go and be who you are Joe and get the fuck outta my face.
I believe Sen Clinton may be channelling punaise right about now: “My contempt for Joe Liebermann . . .”
In the case of Kyl-Lieberman, I believe that she was not just blindly following Lieberman’s lead. Rather, I believe that she was triangulating into what she perceives as interests of her Jewish constituents in NYC, Long Island, and Westchester vis-a-vis Israel. However, as Glenn Greenwald has convincingly pointed out via analysis of polling data, the conventional MSM wisdom on Jewish opinion of Israel in the US–driven as it is by neo-con talking points–is very wrong.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/g…..index.html
If she’d been smart about it, she would have done so long before now.
Not so sure about Obama. After all some say Lieberman is his mentor.. Clearly Obama likes Lieberman and his beloved calls for bipartisainshit.
What makes you think Reid wants to punish Lieberman?
Joe Lieberman back-stabbed a Democrat? Shocker! Spit. Sen. Susan Collins is connected to McCain’s campaign, so it’s no wonder ole Joe is supporting McCain now.
I suppose the best way to look at this is McCain is being supported by reich wing jackboot lickers and we all know how tired Americans are of those people.
Lieberman McCain ‘08! /s
http://ap.google.com/article/A…..gD8TIQRKG0
Better late than never, I always say.
For awhile now, I’ve thought that McCain would chose Suzie-Q Collins as his VP to show how “hip” he is. But hey, it wouldn’t surprise me if he chose Lieberman…another phony moderate like Suzie!
Funny thing– it never once occurred to me that Lieberman would endorse a Democrat, not even Clinton.
If I’d thought about it for more than three seconds, I think McCain would have been the obvious choice. But I do find it difficult to care.
Agreed. Except for the slap in the face to both the Clintons and Obamas.. which they should have seen coming many years before now.. I say nothing but, good riddance Joe.
I have to say, I wish he’d endorsed Clinton, just because I think it would have been a major hit to her campaign. But that’s just me :)
As it happens, Holy Joe’s latest treason would seem to stand for nothing–last I checked, McCain stands a slim chance of surviving the primaries.
I still think it will be McCain/Lieberman on the “Unity ‘08″ ticket. That will have Broderella and all the other third way weenies in DC panting.
It is strange since by this time we know they are fraternal twins separated at birth.
PW- So Right on!!!! This is why (deep down) I dislike this woman so greatly. Plus everytime I see the photo of Bill expressing his disdain for Obama (on Huff for ex), all I can see is his/their minds on how much money they will LOSE if Hillary DOESN’T get the nomination.
$$$$$$$Bill$$$$$$$Hill$$$$$$$
This is why I also dislike the DCC so much. The country is in such DIRE need – materially, ethically, constitution, and what are they interested in? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Plus, and I don’t mean this disparagingly, they look so OLD, meaning old hat, old and tired, old and irrelevant. (Gore is the same age, but look at the difference, and in the accomplishments. Ditto Jimmy Carter and Chris Dodd). With Hill/Bill there is no THERE there. I think the country is beginning to get it.
I’m going to go out on a very odd limb here and say that I think McCain will actually be the Republican nominee.
The pollin data is as irrelevant wrt to Jews as it is to others Americans. Hillary’s course is determined by her PACmasters.
So…if Hillary doesn’t make it as Prez…will she finally ditch William?
Senator ‘Hope’ specifically asked for Joey the Liarman to be his mentor in the Senate. Fact not fiction despite what the legions of Obama cultists believe.
On Lieberman and Obama. WHile he is not on my good side on this at least he did not come to Ct. and press for Lieberman as Bill did (with Hill’s approval). Bill, in many ways was the difference that took Lieberlier over the top.
Lord Amighty
Lieberman screws somebody
Juliewaters – I agree with you on McCain. And, he will be the most difficult to beat.
Ewwwww…….!
Hey PW. Lieberman’s always been a weasel, but it shows more than it used to. Or maybe just more publicly.
There’s a lot that suggests the Dems are going to control the Hill by an even larger majority after the ‘08 elections. That’d be a good time to remove the Big L from all those committee seats he bargained for in ‘06.
thank you, TexB :)
Yep. Hillary’s not really following Joe. They are just both following some of the same PACmasters.
Roxanne – But good luck with that one with Schumer and Rahm doing the picking. They like what Lieberlier represents.
Have already sent e-mails to my two Senators, Boxer and Feinstein, and to Reid, demanding that Lieberman be removed from his committees and that he not be allowed to call himself a Democrat. This is the absolute end for me.
Hillary, Bill, and Joe are so……90’s.
Pelosi and Reid are so…80’s.
Twain, I also get the feeling that if Obama or Edwards get the nod, that Hillary will declare for McCain as well, i.e. for Hillary it is all about continuing the war at all costs (do they have investments in armaments?).
Seems like this is good for all of the democrats. No more having to tippy-toe around the liar.
Does anybody know if there is a way for the senate to replace Reid leading the senate? Is it something that happens annually or does he get his spot for as long as the dems have a majority?
As a New Yorker, I try so hard to give Schumer the benefit of the doubt.
I excoriated him via e-mail about his support for Mukasey, and the response I received was very detailed and, it seemed, anguished. The impression I got was that Schumer really wants to do the right thing in situations like this, but is somehow restricted as a matter of political survival from doing so.
I haven’t decided yet whether that is really true, or if he just wants it to appear that way to appease–at least to some extent–progressive constituents.
Hill and Bill are so 90s
Pelosi is so 50s (poodle skirts)
Reid is so 1890s (big biz)
No. She will absolutely, under no circumstances, support a Republican presidential candidate.
“I still think it will be McCain/Lieberman on the “Unity ‘08″ ticket. That will have Broderella and all the other third way weenies in DC panting.”
I agree – you can see the weenies lining up against Huckabee already – so their only option will be McCain. And with Holy Joe licking McCain’s pant legs, they will be over the moon!
Hey, I think any Dem could beat that ticket. If Obama thinks Hillary is the wrong generation, what in the hell are these two jokers?
Feinstein is a dinosaur
LOL – you are so right about Pelosi, what was I thinking!! Beach Baby Bingo…Annette Funiccelo….Frankie Avalon…
hey dogs!
been busy all day, but man I MISS you
so I guess that nails it, lieberamn is the republican vp choice
I think most of us guessed that a while ago
I see dodd is going to filubuster fisa, THANK FRIGGIN GOODNESS…good on him, and DAMN IT reid and pelosi HAVE GOT TO GO
Please don’t insult our friend the therapod.
This is absolutely correct, because to do so would make her unelectable ever again for anything ever, even village dog catcher of Chappaqua.
Oh, but Obama purposively avoided CT – he was in NY for a book signing and had to be in Mass. two days later – now CT is right in between – but he managed not to step foot in the Nutmeg state for fear that someone might ask him to make a commitment against his favorite senator, Holy Joe Lieberman.
He was as bad as the Clintons.
It really was horrible the way the powerful Dems hung Lamont out to dry.
Correct. She will be done in NY and any further Presidential aspirations – gone.
OMG…sorry :(…I wasn’t thinking…
She’s a mummy.
we need edwards or kucinich or dodd
we need to get hillary and obama where they belong, which is not in the presidential race
no more corporate candidates, no more politicians bought by big bussiness
I think it would thrill the a goodly chunk of the “centrist” (which I always take to mean unaffiliated conservative) punderati if that happened, but I also think that there are far too many people with an ax to grind with McCain and not enough people who actually like Lieberman to get them the kind of support a Republican would need next year.
They both have too many scores to settle and genuinely nasty tempers. They couldn’t be relied on to play ball.
Some of the folks running on our side, sadly, seem as if they could be, and it would have the added advantage that a Democrat would be in office when the chickens started to fly home to roost.
Physioprof – Schumer like Specter, speak the good talk, and show the “proper” anguish, but in the end, they follow the DCC/rethug party line! Spare me, is my response. NY can do so much better.
Second that!!
Today Edwards said,
He will stop the war.
He will stop the illegal spying on Americans, and he emphasized illegal 2X.
He will provide universal health care with a choice.
He will stop all renditions and black sites and all torture.
Why do you give Schumer the benefit of the doubt. Name 3 good things he’s ever done for NYS or the USA.
I’m shocked–SHOCKED I tell you!–that Lieberman would endorse a Republican. I’ll be over by the slot machines if you need me.
perris, go back a couple of threads and leave a note for Dodd to read on the senate floor!
LS – Feinstein as Mummy! Yes. the same mask.
I could have sworn that he swallowed.
(1) He’s not a Republican. (2) He caucuses with the Democrats. (3) I ran into him in a restaurant once and he shook my hand and engaged in polite conversation for a few minutes.
I’m sure there’s more, but I’ll have to get back to you on it.
So do you think Tim Tagaris was telling a lie about Clinton’s support for Lamont?
LOL. Good enough for me.
On Hilly & McCain. You guys are probably right, but there are good friends, and if McCain were to chose a Dem or Repub-lite as VP (Lieberman, Bloomberg) she could weave.
the most important issues for America to survive;
1) consolidated ownership of media MUST end and they must be broken up
2) corporate “peoplehood” must be rescinded, a corporation may NOT participate in elections or politics, IF a person wants to participate, they need to disolve their corporation and they need to answer themselves for what they do
no corporate umbrella of protection to anyone who contributes to campaigns
NO MORE LAW FOR SALE
even more important then the occupation in Iraq, these two issues are things that must get done if we can hope to survive
On a more serious note, am I the only one who’d forgotten that McCain was even in the race? All of the debate wrap-ups so far have stuck to five major themes:
1. Giuliani attacked Romney.
2. Romney attacked Giuliani.
3. Huckabee seemed above the fray.
4. Ron Paul is against the war but bat-shit crazy about everything else.
5. Thompson had a disappointing night.
McCain’s name almost never comes up, and when it does, it’s usually in the context of being brain-washed by the Vietnamese to oppose torture.
Dodd, FISA and the Filibuster — How It’s Going To Go Down and What You Can Do.
That is a great thread with incredible! comments
will try to find said thread and type up one of my WORLD famous rants
Frank, and….. there is always the outliar, Jeb!
I don’t think Bloomberg would ever run on a ticket as VP. He’d rather be Governor of NY, and Spitzer is, at least for now, very weak.
Sunday night OT, Dan Fogleberg died today. Wonder if RevDeb ever saw him at the Red Herring in Urbana?
If McCain is nominated, we will be seeing a lot of the picture of him hugging Bush.
Edwards is a proven anti-Corporation fighter…(I didn’t phrase that the way I would like, but I’m not telling you anything you don’t already know, I just had to say it) :)
50 years from now, this is going to be considered one of the most momentous events in American legal history, ranking up there with enactment of the 14th Amendment.
Hello, everyone!
Gee, think that Bill still thinks Holy Joe’s “a good Democrat”? ;-)
RE: Obama — I’ve heard different things about how close they actually are. If they were close, then Obama’s got to be pissed off. Maybe it might serve to push him away from Liebermanism.
Just to be clear, I am referring to the creation of corporate personhood.
A-yep.
Here’s the real question —- what exactly is Joe’s endorsement worth? Who listens? Who rebels?
Re: A possible McCain/Lieberman “unity” ticket.
I’m not sure why the media seems to like the idea of a merger of two major political parties (in this case, the GOP and CfL). But I have to say that such a pairing would infuriate the Republican base. They hate McCain already, and if you think they’ve got problems with a Mormon, you can’t expect them to embrace an orthodox Jew who was once Al Gore’s running mate. They’d lose 30 of their “base” voters for every 10 “swing” voters they picked up.
Poison!!!
Yes, and considering the pressure on Obama (a highly popular figure at the time of the Lamont race) to come out for Joe after the primary, and considering he was in the Ct. neighborhood, and considering that he was his supposed “protege” I think this speaks to how Obama feels. By the way there were VERY FEW prominent Dems who felt they could buck the DCC charge to support Lieberlier.
I think it’s actually the Kiss of Death for McCain. It’s a wake-up call for Hillary and (perhaps) Obama that sucking up to the Villagers and their favored people doesn’t pay. And it vastly amuses John Edwards.
Lol! Lol! Lol!
Podhoretz jumped too soon.
Now that it’s evident Giuliani is damaged goods, Lieberman endorses…McCain!
Talk about desperate. Full circle for the neocons.
Hilarious.
thanks PW!
Perfect.
I’d bet that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are listening.
In all seriousness, though, I think it’s going to bite McCain (and all of the other Republicans, for that matter) in the ass. The last thing they need is for people to start thinking about Iraq, and that’s the only big issue that McCain and Lieberman have in common.
Well with the Lieberman endorsement, McCain has I believe a lock on the whiny, backstabber vote.
OT
04 woman’s rights panel on C-SPAN3, with Naomi Wolf, Gail Collins, among others.
ouch!
I hate to say that we were right all along, but…oh, no, wait…I DON’T hate to say it! We kicked Joe’s ass to the curb for very good reasons. I hope the DCC is finally starting to get that.
So Hillary’s going to be on six morning shows tomorrow morning.
Doesn’t she have something slightly more important to attend to?
So you think he’s going to take South Carolina?
left one of my patented comments, did not do a grammar check but I wanted to post as soon as possible
how’d I do?;
IIRC, Hillary met with and endorsed Ned Lamont at her home. There was some discussion about the decor. Later, Bill Clinton, supported Lierberman in CT, even though at that point Liarman was no longer even a Democrat – Liarman hads formed a one-man party – CT for Liarman. All about money with Bill and Hill is right. Liarman had backstabbed Bill Clinton hard and Bill coddled Liarman anyway. No principles.
Whoa! What do you call the full Ginsburg plus one?
you did just fine, perris! :)
Loo Hoo – you mean like a filibuster to save the country!
I would like to see her there, but isn’t the most important thing the absence of a vote from her in favor of cloture?
his shtick still works on most democrats, only progressives understand he is a judas sheep
Whoa! What do you call the full Ginsburg plus one?
I saw the best minds of my generation. . .
Rape Gurney Joe’s got the Senate Democrats over a barrel. If they pull his committee spots in retaliation, he caucuses with the Republicans and gets them back. And THAT would give Bush back his recesses to pack the judiciary with as many Liberty University graduates as he can scrap up.
I wish I could say, “Do it anyway,” but the judiciary’s too important. The only solution here is a larger Senate majority in 2009. Then Holy Joe can go hang.
Bah hahahahahaha! You’re not kidding.
oops, that isn’t what I left down there,
this is;
I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked,
dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn looking for an angry fix;
Angel-headed hipsters burning for the ancient heavenly connection
to the starry dynamo in the machinery of night.
Ginsberg
Lieberman is a puke. He is pukier than Lindsey Graham. And Graham is very much a puke.
A VoteVet hombre is going to run against McConnell…Jon Soltz via HuffPo:
As an Iraq war veteran, today is pretty exciting for me and all the other vets I talk with. Today, one of our own took the first step towards knocking off Senator Mitch McConnell in 2008. Iraq War Veteran Andrew Horne jumped into the race.
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Andrew Horne, who had to step down as a Senior Advisor to VoteVets.org to run this race, not only has a good shot to beat McConnell, he has a tremendous shot. That’s got us Iraq veterans pumped because not only will we have a voice in the Senate that comes from our own ranks, but we’re also going to take down the guy who is the single most responsible person in Congress for the war in Iraq, as well as the defeat of pro-troop, pro-veteran legislation.
The holy roller vote will go for Huckabee. Besides, the good old boys know Lieberman is one of them EwJays.
Hackworth: On Hill-Bill and Lieberlier: Yup!
That’s really good, using “conservative” framing–private property, crime, sexual modesty, business–to argue for civil liberty.
hehe
you’re on to me aren’t you
Yeah, perris. That is awesome! Great work. Thanks.
Sorry I’m writing so ambiguously tonight. I realize that “really good” could be read sarcastically. I mean it sincerely; it is a good strategy for progressives to make it very clear that what we want is just the basic stuff that most people want.
Yes! I don’t entirely blame Clinton, though. Harry could have coordinated this with the candidates. He didn’t need to do the rush job that he did, and I’m sure Hillary’s campaign had to have arranged this before Harry did last thing on Friday. I’m pissed off at Harry, big time. Does anyone know if he can be removed as Leader?
A quick reminder for folks wh may not be aware – the Senate organization resolution for the current senate, designed the Committee chairs and such by name.
Which means Short Ride gets to keep his chair of the “Homeland Security and Oversight” committee and the Dems remain in charge of the rest of the committees.
Thankfully, we do have Henry Waxman providing some REAL oversight in the House.
Somehow, I just am unable to feel sorry for Hillary Clinton.
Go Perris!!!!
Actually this isn’t true. Committee assignments and chairpersonships are governed by an organizing resolution which is good for this Congress, i.e. until January 2009. Lieberman can caucus with whomever he wants. It doesn’t change this at all.
Hillary says vote for me. I’m competent. I’m experienced.
It’s too bad we’ll never get Hillary back on FDL, IT sure would be fun to ask her “Now that Joe Lieberman’s betrayal of the Democrats is complete, don’t you feel like a fucking ASS for having thrown Ned Lamont under the bus?
I think this will hurt HRC badly in the primaries. I certainly hope so. She’s no Democrat.
it was an epiphame
Yes.
tee hee
I read a really good post on DKos about this, but I forget some of the details. I sort of recall that some supermajority is required to rescind the current organizing resolution and enact a different one. Anyone remember what the mechanism is? Is it because the Dem majority leader would refuse to allow a vote on a new resolution based on filibuster power and Repubs would need to pass a cloture motion with 60 votes to overcome that?
It’s too bad we’ll never get Hillary back on FDL, IT sure would be fun to ask her “Now that Joe Lieberman’s betrayal of the Democrats is complete, don’t you feel like a fucking ASS for having thrown Ned Lamont under the bus?
I think this will hurt HRC badly in the primaries. I certainly hope so. She’s no Democrat.
reply
I could do something with this post but I better not!
Only hurts her if the other candidates remind the voters of her allegiances.
hey, since we’re all dogs at the lake of fire, I think you’ll get a kick out of this
that’s the reason us dog owners love our dogs
enjoy
The fact that she was so controlling when she came here, coupled with Bill’s several recent remarks aimed at protesters…turned me completely off…not to mention all the other stuff…
Edwards by a landslide.
Hillary got the Des Moines Register’s endorsement so who needs Lil Joe? But they also endorsed McCain. I think Mitt is out in the cold and Huck is just not being taken seriously. On the other hand Iowans may disregard their local newspaper.
Hillary. You just don’t get it. Do you?
If this is true, and I’m not saying it’s not, then Reid should be able to pull Leiberman’s spots, right? Or would that mess up the organizing resolution?
LS,
I don’t think Hillary was controlling when she came here. I think she came to speak about a specific topic, pay disparity, during a period when that was being highlighted and Jane requested that people stick to that one topic, just as she does with other guests who come for a Book Salon and such.
perris has to wake up at 4 am manana and is off to bed
g’night everyone
The MSM will have a field day with Lieberliar’s endorsement backstab. They may damage Hillary by accident. I do think that the rethuglican hierarchy in the MSM want Hills to run. Actually, the MSM will monkeyfist all the Democratic field with Lieberliar’s backstab. They’ll say that the Dems are so bad that even high-ranking (he is rank!) Democrat Holy Joe Lieberliar (while he’s not even a Dem anymore!) won’t endorse a Democrat – not even his good friend Hillary Clinton.
Personally, I was glad to read this. I want the dems to shun him. I hated reading that Obama was conferring with JoeLie. That turned my stomach. If this causes a rift between the dems and Joe, good for us.
Ok…………but still!
The committee chairs are specified BY NAME in the current organizing resolution.
So it pretty much means the Senate is stuck with the current situation.
night perris
LMAO! That was so cute.
HRC’s record speaks for it’s self.
It’s one more step in HoJob’s march to irrelevancy.
Edwards made a clear link to Teddy Roosevelt [and Truman] this morning on Face the Nation. He talked about the epic battle to come with Big Corps. Teddy Roosevelt–trust buster. Edwards–proven in battle for the powerless against the power-full.
Demand better. Demand Edwards.
JLie — man without a
partycountry“Obama and Edwards have got to be chuckling right now. They both knew that there was no way in the world that Short Ride Joe would ever endorse either of them”
Disagree. Joe’s a bitter little fuck whose every waking hour is dictated in response to those whom he perceived as working against him in 2006. Of all the Democratic candidates, the person who supported him most strongly was Obama. I think Obama had every reason to think Holy Joe would turn out for him too, though perhaps he didn’t want it.
The worst part of all this is, no matter who wins, this pretty much locks Joe out of a cabinet appointment and we’ve still got that asshole in the Senate for 4 more years.
Liberman is the perfect Iago. He doesn’t have to reach deep within to find that part of himself, it’s right out in the open. What concerns me is that Hillary couldn’t see someone so obvious. She won’t recognize those traits in anyone she appoints, either.
I don’t want HRC, because she is affiliated with the Third Way:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Way_(centrism)
The worst part of all this is, no matter who wins, this pretty much locks Joe out of a cabinet appointment and we’ve still got that asshole in the Senate for 4 more years.
Just one?
Joe Lieberman is one of the nastiest pieces of work our political system has ever produced.
They asked Thich Naht Han if he was from North or South Vietnam. He said, “I’m from the middle”.
Lieberman will be an untouchable after the ‘08 election.
Democrats will shun him, Republicans will, too, once his useful-tooliness runs out.
Keep the faith, Jane, the little fuck will get his richly deserved desserts.
I said it last night, and I’ll say it again. With Rudy so flawed and faltering, the neocons have no one left but McCain — not their ideal candidate by a long shot. And, as go the neocons, so goes The Village. Just watch the Saint John reclamation project swing into high gear on the editorial pages of WaPo.
Oh, come now…he just had a wide stance….
supercalifragilisticexpealidocious
Or Thompson…he bucked the hand raising thingy….that means a lot to the base.
Plenty of R lobbiests (now to mention another PAC that shall not be named) that he can go to & earn his millions.
The Buddha referred to his teachings as ‘the Middle Way’, avoiding the extremes of sensual indulgence and self-mortification. His own life, prior to attaining enlightenment, witnessed both extremes – the luxury of his life in his father’s palace in his youth in contrast to the severe ascetic practices he engaged in during his six-year search for enlightenment. Neither brought a release from suffering.
dmac!!
wigwam: agree on McCain, and Lieberlier being A#1Neo-Con has gotten the info already from his friend, William “the bloody” Crystol.
pretty hard to earn millions if you’ve burned your bridges and nobody’ll take your call….
You might want to look at Hillary’s voting record.
It’s darn good.
Can’t we just impeach Cheney and put Lieberman in to fill out the rest of his term? That would solve an awful lot of problems at once.
Oh, come on. David Broder should be able to find SOMETHING for him.
But, ultimately all of it is but an illusion in one’s own mind, i.e., when drilled down, there is no thing.
There are many reasons I don’t care for HRC. The “third way” is certainly one of them. The Senator’s vote on enabling GWB to atttack Iraq is another. Sen. Clinton’s association with the DLC is another. Clinton’s vote on Kyle-Lieberman is another. Mark Penn is another. Sitting on the board of directors for WalMart is another. Shaheen’s recent remarks on Obama is another. The list is long.
Oh I don’t know. Those smarmy folks in DC seem to buddy up no matter what. But I take your point & hope you’re right.
Remember Linda Tripp? She was certain the Repugs would be eternally grateful for her sneaky ugly deeds. Instead, they slammed the door in her face and said not in our backyard. She couldn’t get a job, grew behind in her mortgage payments and finally lost her home. What can I say, you reap what you sow.
And if you can believe Tim Tagaris, Hillary was with them and Obama wasn’t.
I will vote for HRC if she is the Dem nominee, but she is not my choice…..today.
There it is.
I’ve been following Clinton’s record for a long time now. She’s a real pip.
‘xactly.
Exactly! People need to keep in mind that Obama is a Lieberman protoge who has taken to spewing all sorts of RNC talking points and who even launched an attack on Krugman when Krugman called him on it. He’s not one of us. Don’t be fooled by the unctious sincerity with which he delivers his content-free message.
If Clinton is the nominee of my party, I will not be voting for her. I’ll be voting against the Republicans.
Good gawd. I can’t stand Obama or Clinton.
Kiddo: I agree with you on every Clinton point.
So, just how many of these clubby Senate chowderheads are now cursing the day they didn’t snuff out the political life Joe Lieberman back in the old heady Neddy Lamont days?
-G
Me too, but I just want an end to the covert neofascism “party” that has infected the United States of America. It has to stop.
I would like to see Clinton’s record along side of Obama’s and Edwards’.
A pip? No intiendo.
I can think of nothing worse for a Democratic candidate than to receive an endorsement form Lil Joe. I think he is also a spike in the heart for a repug as well.
Has Hillary said anything in the last few days about the filibuster?
Chris Cillizza buried his lede in the 22nd paragraph this morning (my bold):
I don’t like Obama cause he came up through the ranks of Illinois politics. This means that he was approved by Emanuel.
Late top the party here, but, this might be the most respectable and honest thing LIEberman has ever done.
The integrity is blinding.
Hell, Saint JFK was given the presidency by Hizzoner.
With all due respect. I keep running across this comment and I’d like to point out the following.
Corporations are not, in general, run by dumb folks.
They actually plan ahead; bigger ones decades and decades ahead.
Hillary’s record is okay. Her score at Progressive Punch is 90+ but if you drill down you see that this is based on relatively few votes.
That’s no my main point. Hillary and her backers are smart enough to ‘greenwash’ her voting in the Senate so as to make her look good for President where she, like Big Puppy, will be able to, they hope, ram through the corporatist agenda. As Jane and Christy always point out you’ve gotta look at the whole picture.
And it’s pretty ugly with her hangin’ with Joey the Liarman.
I’ve got a beer sez she don’t show for Dodd’s filibuster.
And I say that if either she or Obama fail to show for that fight that they forfeit all rights to be the Democratic nominee.
LIEberman would be nobody if someone had not name holy joe his VP running mate.
Hell, Saint JFK was given the presidency by Hizzoner when he stole the Chicago vote for him.
misfire
That was then. This is now. There is way too much at stake to trust the questionable.
Are you actually attempting to make me believe you don’t know what a ‘pip’ is in this context? Okaaay… pip: according to Merriam-Wbster: a feeling of irritation or annoyance.
Perhaps he could be appointed Ambassador to Nauru.
Obama on Lieberman, courtesy Jeralyn:
makes me wonder if Obama will at least question all his bipartisanshit crapola…
Are you actually attempting to have me believe you don’t know what a ‘pip’ is in this context? Okaaay… pip: according to Merriam-Wbster: a feeling of irritation or annoyance.
I don’t think we knew in ‘60 quite how bad Hizzoner was. After all, the porcine appearance that we came to know and loathe was still eight years away.
More from the wayback machine:
Woo-hoo, an email to 5,000 people.
If you came from a DuPage county Repub family like I did you got an ear full about him.
Perhaps, if HRC comes back, the topic won’t be so tightly controlled. That would be a good thing™
HRC has much to answer for, and any thinking Democrat will not vote for her in the primary. If she is the nominee, I may sit out a presidential election for the first time in 35 years because it just won’t matter who’s elected.
I agree. I can especially visualize Obama not showing up. Hope I’m wrong.
This man reminds of Judas. And Judas I believe, ended up being liked by no one.
ACitizen, looks like she won’t be there for the vote tomorrow, what with being on six morning shows. Is that her fault or Harry Reid’s? She has been totally planning ahead. I don’t think that she is planning a corporatist agenda, and I don’t think Jane and Christy have said that they think she has. If you have something indicating so, I’d be happy to read it.
Thanks.
Well see, there ya go; I came from a central Kentucky Dem family…
Exactamente.
Jane’s Dodd post info is Front Page at Kos right now!!!
Go Jane, Go Dodd!!!!!
Pushback!! Hard!!! Pelosi, Reid…are you listening!!!
We are not going to stand by and let you sell out the United States of America and longer!
Congress…Listen UP!!
fyi, Newsday says Bill and his partisans on her campaign are trying to sideline Mark Penn.
Of course, one of the stated reasons is supposed to be that he hasn’t let her unload on Obama.
Then again, I doubt they heard about this from someone with Penn’s best interests at heart.
I’d really love to have a candidate who thought the Republicans were more worth running against than I am.
It could be Edwards, but the most space he’s likely to get in the Times is a public editor’s note explaining why they didn’t cover it when he did better than expected in Iowa and New Hampshire.
Filibuster link at Kos:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/…../58/423024
Mods please remove my #191 or #195. I don’t knw why there is a duplication for this comment. Thanks.
Siun has a new thread upstairs!
I enjoy seeing the big knife in Hill’s back as much as anyone else, but quite honestly I don’t see what possible value a Lieberman endorsement would have had to begin with.
If you look closely you can see the Jomentum running down Mcains’s leg. I don’t know how much help this will offer John McCain.
Sounds like the most bellicose pairing since Bonnie and Clyde.
-G
I have thought about not voting if La Hill and El Bill are the candidates. But speaking for myself only, the first order of business is to turn out the Republicans from the WH. Then I’ll go to work on bad Democrats. However, I cannot condemn those who choose not to vote if HRC is the candidate.
In truth, Joe probably faced reality: Democratic party politics represents his past; Republican party politics is his future. If there is a cabinet post to be had, it will have to be in a Republican President’s administration, and McCain is his best bet for that.
All warmongers, get on board the Lieberman-McCain Crazy Train.
First stop Tehran, next stop Damscus.
-G
Why?
Pretty bad bet, unless the voting machines fail us once again. If that happens…all hayell will break loose.
Whatever your feelings are about Sen. Clinton, I would still rather have her replacing Justice Stevens than Crazy train McCain, Huckabubble, Oil Slick Mitt or Fruity Rudy.
-G
Did you all see this? Says Hillary is doing all the morning shows on Monday. From Iowa. Hope that changes.
http://thepage.time.com/2007/12/16/roadblocker/
And thus it was writ. Duly noted and recorded!
*G*
Shil and Joey are joined.
Anything that LOOKS like they are out of sorts with one another is purely bright shiny objectification to confuse apparently lame and naive wanna be beltway elitists.
Who are in reality, beltway elitists in sheeps cloths runnin a scam on the name of progressivism.
Any thing Joey and Shilly connected that’s talked about is pure smoke and mirrors, the two are joined at the hip of the money.
PW, nice try but this is YET another dodge at the real issues, the beltway elites, and the 1% who own us all.
Until the progressives, and FDL, beginning using THAT lens for a filter it’s all just jive coffee clutch tawk . . .
The Beltway Elite’s and The 1% are not our friends, they do NOT have the best interests of we the people in their hearts, and we the people are a pure threat to all the wealth they have cornered playing the politico game and rigging it in their favor over the life of our republic.
When FDL and it’s writers support that paradigm they support and perpetuate the falsehoods of caring for ‘the people’ that Shilary and Joey propone.
Harumph.
Show me some progressivism, FDL, show me.
Double dog dare ya.
*G*
HRC doesn’t replace Justice Stevens…she replaces W.
What we’re seeing is the first stages of political gravitational collapse; Lieberman’s endorsement of McCain is only the first step. The wise old men of the village, the punditocracy, the inside the Beltway Crowd, are responding to the failure of the GOP to rule forever by merging the elements of both parties that are dedicated to maintaining Things As They Are into a hermetically sealed political establishment impervious to reality or the popular will. Clinton, Reid, Pelosi, etc. have been played for suckers – and the Bush Supreme Court will slap down any challenges to the legitimacy of the New Old Order. This is a strategic response to the prospect of A) President Hillary/Obama/Edwards on the left and B) President Huckabee/Romney on the right.
a link to Lieberman’s evolution on supporting Democrats
Professor are you professing that Joe and his bag of Isreali political proponents have some scary clout. They want eternal war and a bird in the hand is worth two in the Bush. Does the Isreali secret police have access to the FISA intell. Hmmm.
Oh, a comedian…nyuk…nyuk…nyuk…
-G
WTF???
F*ck Lieberman once and for all…he’s history..and he a LOSER!!!!!!
Good riddance!!!
Yeah, Snort!!!!!
What was up with Gore connection ala Gore/Lieberman?
Here’s the McCain/Lieberman ticket…
More war!
Kill lots of people!
Muslims are bad, very bad.
Iraqis are worse. Kill the innocent children, but buy the freaking rugs!
There are not enough Iraqis to kill, so let’s start right in on maiming and killing the Iranians.
That’s our platform folks, don’t you understand??
What? You don’t, why not???
Always has been my problem with Gore. Love his work on the environment though.
and they both like torture… no no non no one adminusters the other recieves
Oh wait…the e-mail went to 5,000 people and Obama’s people were pissed because they had only authorized it for a lot fewer.
This reminds me of why I won’t vote for Obama.
With no majority in the senate due to Lieberman traitormanship the dems have a reason for no accomplishments. All thrir leg is weak tea anyway
Right on Perris we need a progresive that supports progressive programs. We need a model like the Northern Europeans have. A social democracy that still assist the economy with a safety net so noone has to be homeless.
We knew if we grew up in “Hizzoner”’s Chicago. The McCarthyites in DC were not the only blacklist keepers.
One reason I voted for Nader in New York in 2000. How did Al Gore ever pick Lieberman as a running mate is beyond comprehension.
Pweeis says:
the most important issues for America to survive;
1) consolidated ownership of media MUST end and they must be broken up
2) corporate “peoplehood” must be rescinded, a corporation may NOT participate in elections or politics, IF a person wants to participate, they need to disolve their corporation and they need to answer themselves for what they do
no corporate umbrella of protection to anyone who contributes to campaigns
NO MORE LAW FOR SALE
YES AND WE THE PEOPLE RULE BY THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITE STATES AND THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS IN THE JEFFERSONIAM TRADITION WITH UPGRADE FROM LINCOLN AND GET OFF OF THE OIL STANDARD OR IT IS ALL A MOOT POINT. IT IS TIME FOR ISREAL TO BE SELF RELIANT ANFTER 60 YEARS OF AMERICAN TAX DOLLAR SUPPORT PERIOD.
SOUNDS TO GOOD TO BE TRUE A REPUBLICAN REVOLT AGAINST THEMSRLVES. BRING IT ON AND I’LL PAY FOR THE COD PIECES. YUK A YUK YUK YUK YUK MAYBE THE LAKE COULD HAVE A FUND RAISER FOR THAT!
It’s curious they would have to think about this move. But then, they do tend to committeeize every decision over there.
If she wants to win, then how else but to show up the opponents mistakes, flaws, etc. I don’t even think the suggestion about Republicans attacking Obama’s cocaine use was really out of bounds. The magnification of it to include drug dealing wasn’t very nice though.
Frankly, I think there’s enough known about the candidates to decide. It’s just that the early caucus/primary state electorate haven’t necessarily been listening closely. At this point, just reiterating known things can be useful.
BTW, I’d love to hear some of the Repub talking pts. Obama has used. I’ve only heard a couple of his speeches and they’re pretty blase.
I wonder, if Edwards people have considered who he might want as a veep, would they consider Hillary at all? I wouldn’t say the heat of the campaign has been a problem. But, their politics are so different. It doesn’t seem possible from that point of view. Still, uniting the party and getting a practiced campaigner on the ticket would have to be considered. Picking someone like Sebelius or Napolitano (for example) would be a lot riskier, despite any political similarities which might be there. [ Note: I don’t know those governors politics at all. ]
On Lieberman: I think he would’ve endorsed Hillary if she was a shoe-in. But, now that her fortunes have faded it’s clear he had to go with the Republican most likely to keep the war in Iraq going. He seems to be a single-issue guy right now.
Yes:
Remember Linda Tripp? She was certain the Repugs would be eternally grateful for her sneaky ugly deeds. Instead, they slammed the door in her face and said not in our backyard. She couldn’t get a job, grew behind in her mortgage payments and finally lost her home. What can I say, you reap what you sow.
Oh yes what a pig as in sow. Interesting how all the minions get throw under the bus after they serve their corporate masters. The moral compass of the American populace would register somewhere close to the present congress. Thr pups comments are so refreshing and hopeful you are doing great things. I’ll set my alarm to watch Dodd, which stands for Department of Democracy Defence
Remember how ‘Honest Abe” got the nomination of the party to become president. At the time was was no more popular than Dennis is now. Speculation is not certification Obama and Hillary will hit some tough sledding and Edwards and Kucinich may end up on top
“BENEDICT” LIEBERMAN
“Benedict” Lieberman is just showing his true, rat-like nature, scuttling into the arms of McCain. May the Democrats now throw this treacherous vermin out of its caucus and out of his Homeland Security committee chairmanship and pelt him with foul, rotten fruit (which of course, he would scarf up like the political rodent he has turned out to be).
“When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.” — Sinclair Lewis
How phofhetic of Sinclair it seems to say how we got here. Church gets back into politics. Wasn’t freedom of religion separation of church from state
He also didn’t endorse Obama. That is one of the more startling things. See, I can understand why he doesn’t like Clinton. Despite all the accusations hurled at her that she’s a war hawk, she’s actually not. Wes Clark is no friend of Lieberman but he *is* closely associated with Clinton’s campaign.
But Obama? What’s up with that? I thought that Lieberman was a buddy of Obama’s in the senate when he first got there.
Ahhh, I take it back. It makes perfect sense. Lieberman hasn’t given up hope that he’ll make it to the WH. If he has to be second fiddle, so be it.
This is bad news for Obama if independents in New Hampshire vote for McCain instead of Obama though, so it really “sucks to be Barack.”
Love that photo, Phoenix! :o)
Hillary:
“Who, me??? I’m WAAAYYY too politically savvy to be photographically captured standing beside a bushCo ass-licking warpimp like Joe Lieberman, (whom, after my attempted help in the Connecticut Primary, came VERY close to keeping the U.S. Senate in republican hands) I would never do that at a time when my lead in New Hampshire is evaporating like a puddle of back alley piss.” :o)