Here’s a thought for everyone, media folks included: how about we stop playing along with the kabuki and concentrate on something beyond the level of idiocy one would expect from a race for 7th grade class treasurer? Instead, what if we ask meaningful questions about things that really matter — and demand real answers from the candidates to these questions. What do you say?
Sure, it’s a fantasy, but for a minute or two, let’s play along. We’ll call it "what it would be like to live in a well-functioning democracy full of concerned citizens who educate themselves instead of being led around like a bunch of idiotic sheep."
Dan Froomkin has put together some exceptional questions for the next time the GOP contenders get together for a debate — or before if some enterprising reporter wants to step up to the plate and throw something other than the tee ball pitches we’ve been seeing of late. From Froomkin at Nieman:
…Furthermore, keen political observers have noted that Republicans are very eager not to make 2008 a referendum on Bush, because on those terms, there is little doubt they would lose.
And yet, what the GOP candidates think of the Bush presidency – what they consider its strengths and weaknesses, which elements they would emulate, which they would reject – is crucial information for anyone trying to figure out what they would be like as president themselves. In fact, it’s hard to imagine what could be more important….
Q. What decisions if any would you have made differently if you had been in charge these past seven years?
Q. How would you assess President Bush’s credibility? High? Low?
Q. Do you approve of the job Vice President Cheney is doing?
Q. Historically, the vice president has been in a more subordinate role. Do you think Bush was overly influenced by his vice president? Would you expect your vice president to serve a similar function?…
Q. President Bush rarely ventures out in public, and almost always talks to invitation-only audiences. Historically, presidents have appeared at events that were open to the public, at least in part to make it clear that they had been chosen to represent the whole country, not just those who voted for them. Would you return to this tradition?
Q. Would you continue President Bush’s practice of using signing statements to quietly assert his right to ignore legislation passed by Congress?
Q. President Bush’s lawyers have asserted that there are few Constitutional checks on a wartime president. Do you agree? And would you consider yourself a wartime president?
Q. Do you think President Bush is within his rights to assert executive privilege to block the testimony of White House aides in the investigation of the politically-motivated firings of U.S. Attorneys? Would you do likewise in similar circumstances?
Q. Some critics have accused the Bush White House of being dominated by politics, at the expense of policy. Do you think Bush got the balance between campaigning and governing about right?
There are more questions that Dan poses, but these were some of my favorites. And he asks readers to post more of their proposed questions as well at the Nieman website. Frankly, I don’t think these questions should be limited to Republican presidential contenders — but should be asked of everyone seeking national office in some form or another.
Where exactly does a candidate stand on the issues of constitutional respect and the rule of law? How about the issue of torture and ethical questions regarding morality and human rights versus national security concerns and the implications of both on each other? Digby raises some great questions on that here. And see Froomkin’s White House Watch from yesterday for even more. What about waging war based on inaccurate and deliberately misleading information fed to the American public through a WHIG-orchestrated PR ponzi scheme? Or the continuing saga of the cloud over Dick Cheney? Or how about some questions about the fundamental lack of accountability for failures within the Beltway culture? Just for starters…
These are fundamental issues that deserve further public discussion from candidates who want to be elected leaders of this nation in the years that follow this disastrous mess of a presidency that George Bush will ooze away from — and they are questions that need answers now, not years from now. And there are a lot more. Which ones would you be asking if you could? Pour yourself another cuppa, let’s turn on the spotlight and pull up a chair…
(Sometimes, you just need a little Holy Grail to start your day.)
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I agree. These questions especially should be put to GOP candidates, but also to the Dems.
A friend said yesterday that this may well be the most important election since Lincoln. All that and more.
My first question for presidential candidates? What exactly will you do on January 20-21, 2009?
Hillary’s response to what she would do her first year was magnificent. It was inspiring.
lol. our politics are as absurd as a monty python skit – just not so funny.
Morning, all–
Long time since I got to “pull up a chair” due to an unfortunate upswing in my paying gig. I’ve missed you, Christy, and all the Sat a.m. firepups!
An absurd observation (maybe from the mindset of LHP’s “Ridiculous” post?) — I read Christy’s description of questions that should be asked, not as “the tee ball pitches” but as “tee tee ball pitches.” Made me chuckle.
And I caught Howie Kurtz yesterday criticizing his journo-brethren for focusing on the horse-race, instead of the issues. Guess he read Halperin’s dreck. Made me ill.
Looking forward to taking a morning dip in this lake o’ reason. It’s quite refreshing. ;-)
is there a clip i could watch? i could use a bit of inspiring…. ‘
Explain your understanding of “protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”
I am interested in whether the next president will renounce any of the powers of the presidency that Bush has instituted, thus returning to a more equal balance among the three branches of government. Or instead whether those powers will be retained once a candidate assumes the office. I wouldn’t bet on it…
Good morning Christy, welcome back! Did you get to the princess breakfast?
Q: what is your vision of transparency in government? do you think transparency is a good thing? if so, how will you implement it?
I’d ask what the candidates thought rose to the level of impeachable offenses.
I’m still wondering what line someone would have to cross other than lying about a bl*w job that would constitute high crimes and misdemeanors to this bunch of clowns in congress.
Good morning Christy!!! We missed you. Welcome back and I hope you are well rested.
Don’t know if I’ve said it here much if at all, but moving to PA has been such a happy thing for my life (not the physical moving, of course). It feels like I’m in the right place at the right time and I love it here.
Morning everyone. Coffee is on…
That was my next question, RevDeb. And I’d really like to hear every one of these candidates speak to that. Okay, candidates and Nancy Pelosi.
hot chocolate here—with some of trader joe’s peppermint marshmallows.
mornin’ Christy – good to see you back.
All good questions ya got there, and I’m not sufficiently caffeinated yet to come up with my own. BUT – I’m not voting for *anybody* who doesn’t come down firmly, unequivocally against the use of torture…
how can that be true of even our candidates when none of them have condemned bill clinton’s rendition program?
I got a letter from my Senator Menedez where he quotes the party line about impeachment being a distraction. He admits that egregious actions have occurred, yet he doesn’t feel that a strong enough case can be made.
It’s was really sad to read that.
The degree of intellectual horseshit is brutal. Chris Dodd is correct……
how can that be true of even our candidates when none of them have condemned bill clinton’s rendition program?
Hi Selise – have any of them actually been asked that question?
There is nothing that makes me more angry than the fact that we do not have real discussions over policy issues in this country. I have seen exactly one thoughtful discussion about the permanent occupation of Iraq, at YKos, between Taylor Marsh and Digby.
I have seen zero thoughtful discussions about the abandonment of the Geneva Conventions, and the adoption of torture as a method used by the US to extract “intelligence.” I have, of couse, seen passionate and thoughtful blog posts on why this is a bad idea, but no discourse, whatsoever, on the issue.
Froomkin’s questions are most disturbing because they will never be asked.
A question at the GOP debate…
maybe i’m not being fair… but i’d think that if it bothered them as much as it bothers me, they would have said so.
… and who would ever ask the question? doesn’t seem likely. (as christy’s post says so much better than i can)
mMmm I’ll be right over with the croissants, RevDeb…
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Welcome home Christy, we missed missed missed you!
Thanks for the Monty Python! Shortly before my oral comprehensive exams, I dreamed a version of this scene with my chair as the old man at the bridge asking the questions. Mrs Peterr told me I was stressing a bit . . .
It would be nice if the media would not only ask questions like the ones that Froomkin mentions, but also tossed aside any candidate that skirts or ignores them.
i have trouble getting past the outrage.
Good morning from L.A. RevDeb, you’ve got mail :)
Welcome “home”, Christy -
When I read the list of Froomkin’s questions the other day, the first thing that popped to mind was, “Put that man in charge of all these dumb-dumber-dumbest debates and let the good times roll!” Unfortunately, jayackroyd’s right…..these are questions that will never see the light of day. :-(
The problem here is audience for thoughtful discussions about policy. The fact is that the percent of Americans who read and think about such things is extremely small. Some say roughly ten percent give a rip. So the issue seems to be (again, still, already) what engages the passion — okay, even the interest — of the 90 percent. I know! Issues condensed into an Amy Winehouse ditty! Presented during halftime at the Super Bowl!
Knowing Christy, I have a feeling that we haven’t seen the last of these questions.
*g*
That reminds me, I’ve got to prep to make lots of them in the next week plus. Nothing better than home made warm fresh croissants!
You can come over any time!
to continue… i really liked a post you wrote a few months ago about the iraq occupation and the dem leadership. is that the kind of discussion you are hoping for?
Selise, before I realized Pull up a Chair was already up, I left you a message @ the end of attaturk’s thread…
Rut-ro. Snow has just started, and I’m not fully stocked. Better go do that before it gets serious. Blerghh, a rude awakening indeed…
Welcome back, Christy! I hope you had a great vacation.
I wish that any of the those questions would be asked. But god forbid that an American election be about policy.
got it thanks, left you a reply too.
which makes me realize that maybe christy didn’t see whitehouse’s speech on the senate floor last week. (if she really did step away from the toobz)
MarieRoget,
nothing yet. The toobz must be clogged.
The real tough questions will never be asked of the reich wing presidential candidates. Why? The ROM (republican owned media) will never put their minions on the spot.
I’ll resend. You’ll prolly get two of ‘em eventually…
CHS-I posted this @ the very end of your thread yesterday when I finally got home, but in case you missed it- a very hearty “Welcome Back, Christy.”
Here’s Senator Clinton’s response to what she would do the first year. After re-reading it, it’s not as inspiring as I said. But, when she gave this answer I stood up (in my living room) and applauded. What can I say? I’m so hungry for competence and honesty that I’m easily inspired.
selise — I was completely unplugged for the two weeks away. We took The Peanut to Disneyworld for a family vacation and we decided that we wouldn’t work at all (if it could be helped) so she could have both of us unplugged — I’m at the laptop too much and daddy is very busy at work, so taking time away for a real vacation was important.
And, at 4, princess dinners and breakfast with Pooh Bear is as good as it gets — especially when she gets mom and dad’s undivided attention in the bargain. Thanks for the link on that — will watch it in a bit.
Welcome back Christy and may I quote from the Intelligencer “These cold blooded murders need to be tortured so we can get information leading to other killers and mass murders.
What is wrong with liberal Democrats”. This was in one of the letters to the editor this morning. Depending on the liberal Democrat’s is the only hope we have although no much hope there either.
I’ve got a list of a few questions that WILL NOT be asked, but here’s my question:
Would you help me unroll this list of impeachable crimes by our president, and then read the list aloud?
Were they possibly referring to the occupants of the current West Wing and their DOJ and State enablers? I might be able to wrap my head around that one.
good for you-all… sounds like a wonderful vacation and time with family. perfect age for it too.
… the whitehouse clip is for inspiration, when you feel you need some.
Let’s circulate these questions around to more people,
spotlight this post and digg it
thank you. i’d probably never remember to use “digg” without helpful reminders.
Has anyone been to Digby’s place this morning? It’s discouraging. Reid is even more of a 95 pound weakling than Daschle. I didn’t think that was possible.
There is no liberal party. There’s only Right and Far Right.
Welcome back, Christy! Unplugged time is the sustenance of the spirit.
Maybe we should start a special award–like the Pulitzer?–call it the Christy and each week salute the MSMer who does the best job of living up to asking the tough questions–and getting straight answers. No stenographers, sycophants or spinmeisters need apply.
There’s a building wave in the bleachers for answers and accountability. My take this morning is up now at my new blog [firedoglake inspires activism in all kinds of ways!] and puts the times in the context of Unsportsmanlike Conduct. We need to get the ‘roids out of politics and the culture.
OT. A little 2yr old friend of ours just returned from Disney World. We had quite the conversation about her experience there. She really can’t talk yet but that doesn’t stop her from trying. We asked her if she saw Mickey Mouse. Her answer “(jibberish,jibberish) cried”. “Did you see Pluto?” more jibberish…..”cried.” Cinderella……lots of jibberish…then “cried”. “Did you like Disney World?”…”Yes”
thanks. i think it could be inspiring to me too, if i wasn’t so cynical. it’s probably my own problem, but i just need something a bit more detailed and concrete right now.
Reid is where he is because too many who should have run for that spot are busy running for President.
Russert’s first up for opportunity to ask Froomkin-power questions of Mitt Romney Sunday morning. Holding your breath? Nah, me neither.
digg this if you haven’t all ready
and Hugh’s List, too
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(I know, I may need a digg intervention soon *g*)
it’s so hard for me to think that reid isn’t doing what he think the majority of his caucus (or at least the majority of the powerful in the caucus) want.
to me, that means we have to change the minds of our senators – especially our senators who are running for president.
done, thank you. jeeze, i hadn’t even dugg my own youtube. that’s pathetic.
I just wrote an email to Hillary. She’s my senator. DKos has a portal. Told her we are tired of the kabuki and the excuses. Told her not to just ‘try’ but to get this bill defeated. I stopped short of asking her how much money she gets from the telecom industry.
Good morning. Actually, I’d like to hear all of the Democratic candidates asked, over the weekend, why they believe Harry Reid ignored their request regarding the FISA revision.
What makes us think he’s not doing what the majority in his caucus want? I’m losing faith in all of them.
Welcome back, Christy.
I like the way Dan Froomkin questions are phrased in a way that forces the candidate to evaluate Bush and his issues with our Constitution and thereby indirectly announce their own agenda.
And a candidate not answering one of Froomkin’s questions is an answer, too.
Barbara @ 3 and MsMolly @ 9:
I think Dodd has answered you both in his statements that his first acts would be doing everything to restore the Constitution and revoking the actions of BushCo, first by EO then by legislation.
Dodd gets it on the Constitution.
solai — You sure the 2 year old wasn’t saying “ride” instead of “cried”? Because The Peanut has been talking nonstop about the rides since we got home…
I’m votin’ for the guy who promises to round-up all the Bush hires in every dept of government and ask for their resignations. Those refusing to resign would be offered job transfers to new offices in Kotzebue, Alaska.
The War Against Hannukhah
Could be. She’s quite the talker. Just never sure of what she’s saying.
yeah, i’m sorta leaning dodd by default (although my preferences don’t count unless i go to nh to canvass).
do you know why there was no objection to holding the fisa cloture vote on monday instead of tuesday?
selise — I know — because the votes weren’t there to stop it, and Reid would have invoked cloture yesterday rather than give a couple of days for persuasion. At least that’s what I’ve been told anyway.
Clinton’s First Year
Maybe someone should get her on record about WHICH executive orders (which are published, I believe) are UNCONSTITUTIONAL and AGAINST THE RULE OF LAW. It would seem to me that if she really accepts these are Unconstitutional and Illegal that she should be demanding that Bush be impeached by the House! It’s not something that would simply be appropriate to “clean up later”. How can Congress just sit there and say…
“well it’s Unconstitutional and destroys the country…but we’ve only had to put up with it for 8 years!”
They should be starting the impeachment process NOW…and if the Republicans block it…then they will continue it even when Bush-Cheney have cleared out of the WhiteHouse.
As a retired civil servant, I think there is more to what you say than most people realize. It was my observation, at least within the FAA, that career civil servant positions were being contracted out. As a result, it seems to my that we shortly be back to the “spoils system” and no longer have a non partisan civil service. It’s similar to the contractor thing with the military, but I don’t think many have given much thought to the idea of a partisan bureaurocracy, or a civil service which largly changes hands each election.
TPM reporting Bush now planning to muck-up promotions in JAG. Just how much more damage will this guy be allowed to do? Reid Dems and moderate Rethugs and Leiberparty of One enable these ‘roid rages wreaking havoc with our country. How much more chaos and destruction will they give their wink and nod to?
Is there nobody who can take the keys away from this corrupt SOB? Oh, that’s right, they’re off the table.
i’ve been trying to figure it out – mostly as a learning experience, since i don’t think it would affect the outcome.
… but my reading of rule 22 (ianal) is that when cloture is invoked, the cloture vote takes place the second day (one hour after the start of the day’s session). which would make the vote tuesday.
on thursday night when reid was talking about his plans for invoking cloture on friday, he specifically said that the vote would be monday since they were going to be working on saturday (hence monday would be the second day). but on friday, they decided not to work saturday – and that was before reid submitted the cloture petition… the choice of monday for the cloture vote was by unanimous consent.
a list of some of the executive orders she thinks are unconstitutional and/or illegal is just the kind of concrete detail that would really inspire me.
I’d love to hear it also ! ,,,,,, but won’t hold my breath
America is lost…. soon the slogan will be…… long live the king …
And i’m not even a nut case.
this is why I don’t understand why Congress hasn’t filed articles of impeachment against him; EVERY SINGLE THING he touches, he trashes. And he’s got all of next year to finish us off.
selise — Yes, the decision not to work on Saturday was part of the negotiation on that, I think — at least from outside observation and from hints that were dropped the last few days. The problem with trying to second guess a lot of this from the outside is that the inside negotiations aren’t transparent, which makes it really difficult to know what procedural maneuvering is being supplanted by what back-stage arm-twisting and deal-making and such.
And because I’ve been out of the loop on vacation, I’m behind the curve in terms of knowing what has been going on — and what’s been promised/threatened/etc., so I can’t fill in all the gaps just yet until I fill them in for myself.
Prairie Sunshine December 15th, 2007 at 6:20 am – 62
O lor’, please don’t wish all of them on poor ET and any other Alaska pups! Can we just stick ‘em somewhere so they can’t do any more damage?
christy – oh, not asking (let alone expecting) you to have all the answers… just puzzling out loud is all.
Hello all
I was listening to the protest songs and crying with Pink.
Please go sign Wexlers petition
http://wexlerwantshearings.com/
He wants to impeach Cheney and he needs as many as possible to support him.
Just saw a picture of Mike the Huck at WAPO. I had no idear he looked so much like Mr. Magoo.
What has Reid given him to not do recess appointments?
they do have the same vision
In my opinion the questions that are going unasked concern the economic problems confronting the middle-middle and lower-middle classes.
Over the past generation these people have been marginalized. If their issues are not adressed soon, I fear they will become radicalized in a manner that will be less than welcome to those of us who support a progressive agenda.
That’s why I picked Kotzebue…we can cut ‘em off at the base of the peninsula and airdrop in their supplies. Believe me I considered locations out here in Prairie Country, but there’s too many open borders. This way, we contain ‘em.
Right there w/you on Pink’s song.
I posted my favorite Phil Ochs protest song @ the end of that thread this morning, in case it hadn’t been included somewhere. It’s one I’ve posted many times here @ FDL in the past. When Phil sang it live it was always a barnburner, as my dad used to say (warning- graphic images):
Phil Ochs- One More Parade
oldgold — I was reading an article last week about the crisis for home heating oil cost rises this year, and the expanding pool of folks on fixed incomes who are facing increases in medication costs at the same time. And how there has been a corresponding decrease in the aid programs that used to help with this sort of problem that no longer exist as of the last few years.
With the extended conflict in Iraq eating up so much of the budget, we’re going to all have a lot of even more painful choices to make in the future. I know some conservatives would say these folks should have planned better for retirement — maybe so, but how do you plan for the company you worked for declaring bankruptcy and voiding their pension plan at the same time you get diagnosed with a chronic illness? I keep thinking “there but for the grace of God” about so many issues these days. Mr. ReddHedd and I do a lot of prudent financial planning, not just for ourselves, but for The Peanut’s future as well — but you never, ever know what might befall you in the future.
Planning for the unexpected is impossible. And social Darwinism can be awfully harsh when it falls directly on your own house. Folks who shrug off the woes of others would do well to think about that…
I’m votin’ for the guy who promises to round-up all the Bush hires in every dept of government and ask for their resignations. Those refusing to resign would be offered job transfers to new offices in Kotzebue, Alaska.
I’ve got friends in Kotzebue. I wouldn’t wish ANY GOP Prez candidate on these wonderful, struggling folks.
Speaking of Alaska, our Governor is going to be doing a Vogue Magazine photo shoot for their February issue. My friend Ishmael and I have done our takes on this…
Welcome Home Christy!
We are so happy you folks found a chance to escape for awhile. The crew did themselves proud while you were gone. Still, it’s great to have you back. ;->
Christy, I think immediately of “Shock Doctrine” Are we going to suffer in a great experiment for the corporations?
Unfortunately, IMO, if George W isn’t tried for Abuse of Power, or the Congress and the next President don’t declare his overreaches illegal, history will never be able to official attach that label to this Bush Presidency. History will be forced to view the Bush Presidency as doing everything legally and with legitimate rights being pursued aggressively, but certainly not without basis in law. History may cite John Yoo’s views of a Unitary President as historical precedent. Therefore, any Democratic President who doesn’t use these newfound powers becomes just a fool, because you can bet that Rethugs will use them again in the future. Something must be done, and now is the time to do it! Instead we have a Congress who knows only how to capitulate and grovel. It may be time for pitchforks after all.
I suggest stuffing all the Bu*h hires into a fenced enclosure in downtown D.C. Let ‘em find out what it’s like not to have a voice or vote.
If you sell over-ripe tomatoes and eggs to throw at them we might be able to turn the deficit around…
Just another example proving that the inmates are running the asylum.
Well, actually, I had something a wee tad more *interesting* in mind but it’s too early in the day to go pushin’ my luck with the mods and CHS. *g*
Consider it done, altho I do wish I’d gathered before the hard freeze.
The crop of tomato “drops” is exquisite this year. So valuable, I’d need yer assurance the lil imperator & ‘is master poopetier would be in the crowd.
Everyone else sign the Wexler petition? eh? eh?
(see snowbird42 @ #77)
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good idea, and with premium prices on the unrefrigerated eggs with sell by dates from before July 4th
Wexler is on the committee where Kucinich’s impeachment petition is. He is serious about getting this started. His site was down after Randi Rhodes ,yesterday.
dang. where’d i put that-there peetard? just KNEW it’d come in handy.
‘ere ya go *hands carefully thru de toobz*
hoist away, me hearties! no charge! happy to oblige.
OfT sad announcement:
Congresswoman Julia Carson (D-In) has died this morning.
http://www.indystar.com/apps/p…..L/71215001
jayt — Oh, that is sad news. I hadn’t seen that yet…
it’s up & running today. i just signed. & i signed Kucinich’s earlier.
it’s THE greatest gift idea of the season. a diffrent way ta bake cookeez, as it were.
I am sick of Harry Reid bringing a pillow to a gun fight. For a former boxer he sure is a wimp.
CHRIS DODD for Majority Leader!!!!
And Chris Dodd is all alone out there
http://chrisdodd.com/filibuster
Good Morning everyone……especially glad you are back Christy…. gee that kind of sounds like a show tune :)
Very disappointed in the leadership of both houses, Harry Reid especially.
I would like Fiengold for Majority Leader with Dodd as the whip
She was never a charismatic representative – but her voting record was absolutely one of the best.
And her offices are/were full of amazing people – I can’t imagine a congressional staff which did more for the constituents – what other office would send somebody over to give a ride to a person who was unable to get to the grocery store?
I had a problem myself not too long ago – contacted Julia’s office – and within 24 hours her D.C. office had brought the world crashing down on the entity I was having trouble with. Problem solved.
I feel bad for *ilson46201.
Christy, We want a system where there are winners and losers. People who work hard and make prudent choices should be rewarded. But, we do not want a system where the winners take all. Over the past generation the system has dramatically tipped in that direction. The Left needs to offer robust solutions for correcting this problem or be prepared to see the forgotten middle-middle and lower-middle classes dance to the mad siren song of the populist Right.
feingold for chair of senate intelligence committee please. i know he deserves far more, but his country needs him to straighten out the mess in intelligence oversight. (and while i’m at it, can we please have holt as chair of the house intelligence committee?).
dodd would be great as majority leader.
From EJ Dionne
Congressional Democrats need a Plan B.
here is the rest
http://www.truthdig.com/report…..of_repair/
Firmly under the heading: I may be crazy but….
We in our household keep leaning farther and farther twd wishing for an Edwards/Dodd ticket.
Edwards of the silver tongue, vision, and compassion to spare.
Dodd, Mr. NO NONSENSE, to see to it things are done right.
All that being said, ANY of the Dems over ALL the rethugs, throughout the ballot.
Pleeze go sign Wexler’s petition, folks, and tell your friends, plus all those angry folks standing on the street corners. DO IT! *sniffle*
Redd! You’re back!
We missed you, Girl…
Coffee is almost ready….
The world is really slipping into madness.
Check out the profile of the man who’s likely to become president of South Africa.
Zoom, zoom, Zuma.
-G
I am for Edwards. He gets stronger and stronger.
Im wondering if Bloomberg will run independently.
My god – the comments concerning Rep. Carson’s death, posted at IndyStar.com, are sickening. You want a glance at today’s Republican mind, go check them out:
http://www.indystar.com/apps/p…..L/71215001
and should you want to leave a comment yourself, good on you.
Zuma link….
Why, oh, why do we have to lose the good ones…as opposed to some others who shall go unmentioned? But how fortunate for you to have had her in your corner…more and better *real* dems (as opposed to dims and dinos)!
I wonder if Keith Olbermann has seen Hugh’s List? He might need it for his new “Bushed” (wonder why he didn’t call it “Bushwhacked!”) segment.
i’d love to see ET’s scroll of hugh’s list on KO.
Condolences to the family, friends and constituents of Julia Carson. Caring hug for *ilson–thought of you when I was at go-daddy recently.
Interesting backgrounder this a.m. in the NYT about the first-ever all-woman editorial board of the Des Moines Register who’ll be endorsing in tomorrow’s paper. I like their attitude…they don’t need Froomkin to tell them how to do their job.
And ya gotta wonder if the paper pulled some that were even worse. Nothing a thug thinks, says or does surprises me anymore. Slime will out. :-(
I am always glad to provide that particular link:
Hugh’s List
Yes, selise it would be great if KO featured ET’s scroll version. :)
GOP fascism is pretty well in the open now. They blithely cheer on deaths and murder and get supported and get better ratings because of it.
The nation is a runaway train……
-G
Find a presidential candidate who will abolish the Federal Reserve and return the power of coinage to the
governmentpeople. And the paper money to be backed by the gold standard, and only then will our civil liberties be reinstated and undo the damage done to Constitution. The perpetuity of wars and prosperity of the few will end. “When money is as good as gold, the government cannot manipulate the supply for its own purposes. A gold standard puts extreme limits on the government’s ability to spend and borrow. It is forced to raise its revenue through taxation, not inflation, and generally keep its house in order.”Money, Banking, and the Federal Reserve:
http://video.google.com/videop…..0567002553
“All the perplexities, confusion and distress in America arise, not from defects in their Constitution or Confederation, not from want of honor or virtue, so much as from the downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit and circulation.” John Adams
Anybody remember the movie The Running Man? I’m surprised it hasn’t show up yet on the Faux network schedule.
Great questions that will never be asked by the celebrity pundits and journalists. They have to much to lose if the status quo changes. The fix is in and the media is complicit.
Prairie, these ghouls aren’t that creative. They settle for Taliban/Pinochet style executions in stadiums.
-G
Good questions, Froomie!
But we’re at the start of a DEMOCRATIC primary season, so let’s don’t just ask them of the goopers; let’s ask them of the democrats, too. :o)
Fr’instance, I agree totally that the repubs would love to, as Digby so perceptively put it a while back, “disappear” george bush and somehow present…taaadaaa! HILLARY! as the incumbent, to run against.
It is THE plan; THE best-case scenario, for them to salvage something out the fuckuppery of bush’s two terms, and for them to get out from under the shitstorm of Iraq. They HAVE to have Clinton to run against, or all is lost, for them.
And I would LOVE to see her give her assessment of bush’s presidency NOW, so that we could examine it against her votes, her public statements, and her support for the ground-level base of his presidency (that being Iraq) until she saw the mid-term polling, and found her true, anti-bush, self. :o)
I believe in asking the tough questions, Christy. I really do. :o)
Let’s start with this one:
“How can we expect to capitalize on Iraq; the biggest issue of the campaign; the one on which the GOP is most vulnerable; if we nominate someone who has supported the invasion and occupation, and whom has never apologized for it?”
It’s not rocket science; if Clinton doesn’t believe that her vote to authorize the invasion in 2002 isn’t WORTH apologizing for, then how can she, as is SO critical in this election, go full-bore after bush and the GOP’s savage idiocy in invading Iraq?
We would be sending someone up to the plate with a flyswatter, to bat against Sandy Koufax.
Lots of good questions to be asked. Let’s get to it. :o)
How about this one, of ALL the candidates:
Do you think that Iraq will stay together without a substantial, ongoing, presence of american troops and a huge expenditure of our money?
And if you do, can you explain WHAT makes you think that the county will remain intact without our military there to enforce “unity”?
How about either Jane or Christy forwards Hugh’s List to Keith with a little introduction?
Country, dammit, not “county”. It aint South Carolina. :o)
We in our household keep leaning farther and farther twd wishing for an Edwards/Dodd ticket. Edwards of the silver tongue, vision, and compassion to spare.
Edwards voted with the republicans in 2000 and 2001 for the bankruptcy bill; “Edwards would not allow relief for people who were forced into bankruptcy from medical bills…rejected a means test amendment that would have protected debtors from sudden financial misfortune…The amended means test was designed to protect debtors who face financial difficulties from sudden job loss or disability. Paul Wellstone, who authored the amendment, said the original test “will make it impossible for families to rebuild their lives.” 22 Democrats supported this amendment, including Chris Dodd. Dodd was accompanied by Senators Clinton, Durbin, Feingold, and Kennedy. [S.420, Vote 33, 3/15/01; CQ Quarterly, 3/5/01]
http://jre-whatsnottolike.com/…..ankruptcy/
Edwards also voted in 1999 for the Repeal of the Glass Steagall Act of 1933. Consequences of the repeal are subprime mortgage crisis, credit crunch, and the downward spiral of the middle class.
Edwards will always support bank/wall street policies over the people.
Rudy! Mussolini is giving his ‘major speech’ right now. Seems he has realized that in order to win an election he needs to win some primaries.
-G
Rudy! He’s testy! I mean he’s been tested.
is it being broadcast right now?
BigBob at 72 said:
You are not the nut case. The nut cases are running the country.
I think it’s important to remember that any and all questions will first need to be cleared by ***Pac.
Try this:
http://takeaction.wordpress.co…..l-tonight/
ABA drops Gonzales’s ‘Lawyer of the Year’ title.
Eliiott, CNN covered it for a minute or two.
I predcit that Huckabee will get the Howard Dean treatment after he wins Iowa.
-G
Prefer “Convicted Felon of the year” myself…but then there are so many other contenders…..
He’s still in the running for Asshat of the Decade.
-G
didn’t most dems (including dodd) also vote for the final conference report? (i think all the dems voted “no” when it first passed the senate, but only 7 voted “no” on the conference report)… or am i looking at the wrong bill?
would you provide links? thanks!
Er…what year is it now pal? Your tired technique, borrowed from Obama cultists of OrangeLand, of saying, ‘Edwards did this, Edwards did that, Edwards supported this other years ago presumes that a politician cannot grow and learn. If you examine JRE’s policy positions of today you will find the most progressive, committed to structural change candidate out there.
According to your flawed approach FDR would never have been elected.
And ya gotta wonder if the paper pulled some that were even worse.
Yep. I’ve been watching, and somebody’s fingers are flying at The Star, trying to delete that hateful comments ASAP.
At this point, about 53% of all comments have been pulled.
and thanks, GregB (posting under the old GSD nom-de-blog?)
Sickening indeed. I’m not even going to subject myself to their bile. That’s been one of the greatest stresses on us in our household lately, something I simply cannot fathom, cannot cope with very well any more…
WHAT in the name of ****** is going on in these people’s minds, from the prznit & veep on “down” through the advisors & lobbiests & complicit media & certain drowsy congresscritters & self-anointed clergy who preach terrah & exclusion and hate! The pseudo-pious, smug, arrogant, dismissive, callous, inhumane, . . . DISGUSTING a-t-t-i-t-u-d-e that seems to pass muster for these people, seems considered by them to be proper and just and well-earned!?!
These people have surely and truly lost their way. If they weren’t so vicious, I’d feel some sorrow for them. Their souls appear to be rotting from the inside out. This is truly frightening terrah – the real deal.
Apologies, folks. This is why I should just lurk, and not comment. I’m here most days. I just shouldn’t speak out – all I seem able to tap is more like primal screams than common sense.
I’ve said it often before, but I want to repeat if you will allow:
The FDL community is very special indeed. You give this nutty old hag some hope, where hope is hard to find. THANK YOU ALL!
*retreats to hug pillow*
me too.
Jay T,
Yeah. I am so tired of perversions of the Jesus Camp set. I have never seen more hateful people in my life.
-G
it’s not a flawed approach to compare rhetoric to actions.
i do object to using partial data to make edwards look worse than he was (which is why i objected to the banking deregulation example)
maybe you’re right.
i do think it is possible for some people to change.
i’m counting on it.
it’s what keeps me going.
hate-full
‘mornin’ pups. Initial caffeine intake in progress.
Listen, I know who the republican presidential candidate should be: GOD!
I’m serious. They could have an empty podium. It would be a test of faith. Do you BELIEVE in God will be the defining question of the GOP primary (not that it isn’t already) and the election to follow.
Who could vote against GOD on the ballot? That’s atheism.
The MSM would fall all over themselves about the “religious values” of the party that actually nominated GOD.
Another plus side: no drunk driving convictions, no secret contracts with mass murderers, no girlfriend shag-pads, no pardoned rapists — and no ugly liberal tolerance to back away from. This is GOD!!! The guy to nuked Gommorah, fer Chrisakes!
You’d need interpreters, of course. Somebody to articulate what the big guy in the empty chair in the oval office is actually saying. Kind of a governmental priest, who is part of no branch of government, and answerable to no one. Say …Dick Cheney.
Come to think of it, this is kind of the system we already have!
But I’m telling you — watch out. This could really work.
We love ya Adie…..
Don’t worry, we’re all in the same boat and Captain Hazlewood Bush is heading towards the shoals.
-G
P.S. The Taliban have begun attucks inside of Kabul. The US is losing the ability to hold the capital even.
Attacks….not Crispus Attucks….
Thanks for the comments above about my version of Hugh’s List – Hugh’s Scroll. I’ve been busy oiling and cleaning my spare euphonium for a friend to play at Tuba Christmas today in Anchorage. Why can’t they have Tuba Talk Like A Pirate Day?
BTW, Jackie and Dunlap recap the Des Moines Register Republican Debate.
I have never seen more hateful people in my life.
yeah, it’s a tough place to live in sometimes.
“Merry Christmas!! Julia’s dead!!”
What the hell am I doing still being here?
I really worry about our Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan…
Yay, Christy! So glad to see you back. I hope you had a wonderful break with your family.
Morning, everyone! Phoenix Woman here, taking over so Christy can have some quality time with spouse and child and all that. My thread’s upstairs, but you can continue to hang out here, too.
So glad you’re back Christy…what a couple of weeks…
I would ask them all:
Will you abolish Blackwater’s operations worldwide, as a matter of principal; or will you continue this Administrations enabling of a private army arising out of political bias and supported by taxpayers’ money???
Would you ever use a company such as Blackwater to aid in security matters involving situations of citizen unrest or during emergencies, i.e., turning the private military on the very citizens whose taxpayer money supports them, and if not supported by taxpayer money, turning them on the citizens nonetheless?
Yayyyyyy! TubaChristmas!
Sonny here used to help with set-up, providing TLC & snacks, & play in Akron OH’s glorious TubaChristmas celebriations.
Good for what ails ya. Everyone should find a nearby TubaChristmas to enjoy.
No charge. The players pay a small fee to join in.
The audience sings along, and marvels at how the floor vibrates when hundreds of the mighty beasts toot their stuff. ;->
p.s., Thanks GregB.
pretty good at treading water here, but DANGed impatient.
the misery index is well nigh intolerable in this poor old world…
hello christy, thought you had gone
I can’t watch the box any longer because I am confused about the medication for but itch that is also unusable due to it’s having something to do with a living breathing talking head…..
let’s hope it gets so nasty and annoying that americans will vote for the independent candidate, clue;
you can be my bodyguard, I can be your long lost pal
All Change begins with one person, one act. WE can not expect things to change on the outside until we commit to change on the inside. Hard Questions need to be asked, and answered, but like Pavlov’s Dog, give us red meat and we are back at the trough.
If we put up with what they give us, that is what we will get. We must demand loud and clear no more!! That includes voting for candidates that do not use negative ads, or feigns sorrow when their employees use unacceptable methods. If you can not control a campaign how will you control a whole Branch of Governemnt.
We need to stop settling for weak excuses. Bush claiming surprise at the levee breaking in New Orleans and Hillary saying if I knew then about Iraq. Not good enough for someone who is or wants to be President or any other office.
The true “Holy Grail” held water. So must our candidates. So must we.
Hi Christy,
So glad to see you back. I’ve missed your posts.
I’d love to see candidates answer some really tough questions this year but I think they would just weave and bob around a non-answer. MSM having wandered off into nothingness certainly won’t help clarify the issues.
I’m stuck anyway… My primary is in May so no matter who I support, it’s over by them. I’m certainly not voting for a Republican. So that leaves an Independant or Democrat. Hmmmm…Depends on the Independent and if they aren’t catching fire enough to win then I don’t think I can squander my vote and let the Republicans win (or take) another Presidency. I’m looking at the Supreme Court and Judiciary as part of the prize.
define “demand” please.
and “put up”,
“outside” and “inside”,
“settling”,
“must”,
“control”,
. . .
whu? no wine?
plowshares or swords at 20 paces? [starts running]
*sigh*
Barbara@#3;
Three months ago, in Georgetown, S.C., John Edwards said that on his first day in office, he would begin the process of closing down the prison at Guantanamo.
Works for me.
Gee I go away for a day and a half and I miss so much. I was reading the threads yesterday around 6 AM and read a surprise was coming later in the morning…I knew it had to be Christy’s return! Sorry I missed your return yesterday. Please accept this belated welcome back! BTW, yesterday’s return was a wonderful piece of writing. Thanks.
Missed your amazing ability to keep us front and center on pending legislation and your cogent insight on the rule of law.
Yeah! Christy is back!
Hi Christy and friends.
I love Dan’s questions, and I agree that the Democratic candidates should answer them also.
I have different name for what you described as “what it would be like to live in a well-functioning democracy full of concerned citizens who educate themselves instead of being led around like a bunch of idiotic sheep….” I’ve called it the “idea race,” as in who’s ahead in addressing the major issues that confront us as a nation and that will confront the next president?
Here’s what I wrote about it back in June. As far as I can tell it had zero effect; however the DLC did create an “ideas primary” blog, and that phrase made it into Time’s Swampland once.
But the horse race goes on.