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	<title>Comments on: Republicans Obsessed With Immigration, Yet Still Support Bush</title>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/14/republicans-obsessed-with-immigration-yet-still-support-bush/#comment-1148235</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 03:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“nanny stateism and Socialism”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As far as I can see it is helpful to have a nanny (else there wouldn’t be such a thing) to keep the little monsters in line. Perhaps with a better nanny Dubya wouldn’t have turned out to be a sociopathic killer.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As for socialism:  I don’t think you’ll find many Democrats who believe in socialistic policies. Most believe the government should restrain destructive forces in Society and provide a helping hand to the weakest amongst us. And, since FDR there has been a bit more belief (accepted by Republicans I might add) that government should do a bit to spur economic growth. Specific policies may vary from president to president and the degree to which one will push this or that policy vary.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Individualism is great. We Dems support Civil Rights and promote individual growth with education, the arts, public service (such as the Americorp and Peace Corps), protection of equal opportunity and civil rights and the like. It’s Republicans who stifle us with their racism, religiosity in government and all-consuming focus on wealth (whether it’s taxes or NAFTA or whatever). If you don’t fit their mold they reject you utterly. Democrats say ‘welcome’.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This year Democrats are saying ‘welcome’ to moderate Republicans who are sick to death of George W. and want a return to common sense, middle-America values and rebuilding the middle class.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“nanny stateism and Socialism”</p>
<p>As far as I can see it is helpful to have a nanny (else there wouldn’t be such a thing) to keep the little monsters in line. Perhaps with a better nanny Dubya wouldn’t have turned out to be a sociopathic killer.</p>
<p>As for socialism:  I don’t think you’ll find many Democrats who believe in socialistic policies. Most believe the government should restrain destructive forces in Society and provide a helping hand to the weakest amongst us. And, since FDR there has been a bit more belief (accepted by Republicans I might add) that government should do a bit to spur economic growth. Specific policies may vary from president to president and the degree to which one will push this or that policy vary.</p>
<p>Individualism is great. We Dems support Civil Rights and promote individual growth with education, the arts, public service (such as the Americorp and Peace Corps), protection of equal opportunity and civil rights and the like. It’s Republicans who stifle us with their racism, religiosity in government and all-consuming focus on wealth (whether it’s taxes or NAFTA or whatever). If you don’t fit their mold they reject you utterly. Democrats say ‘welcome’.</p>
<p>This year Democrats are saying ‘welcome’ to moderate Republicans who are sick to death of George W. and want a return to common sense, middle-America values and rebuilding the middle class.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/14/republicans-obsessed-with-immigration-yet-still-support-bush/#comment-1148208</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 03:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;You need to talk to the UT DEmocrats who think that Cornyn is easy pickin’s and explain that when GWB rides into town to campaign for COrnyn he will win. Texas is one of the last bastions of Bush support. They can not act like Cornyn is defeated already and they are.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes, chances are Cornyn will survive with the “help” of Dubya. However, part of the 50-state campaign strategy is to push Republicans to the breaking point by pushing them everywhere. We have more campaign money this year and many supposedly safe Republican-held seats will be much weaker than expected and many will lose. Democrats can take it to the rim and stuff ‘em almost anywhere this time around.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yeah, Cornyn will probably survive, but I wouldn’t dismiss the chance to challenge him and see if there’s a Macacca moment. Remember, Allen (R-Va) was expected to win re-election, right up to the moment when he wasn’t re-elected.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The same might be said about several (supposedly) safe Repub seats. Collins in Maine is another one. Sununu in New Hampshire is another. There are quite a few. There may be many fewer a year from now.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You need to talk to the UT DEmocrats who think that Cornyn is easy pickin’s and explain that when GWB rides into town to campaign for COrnyn he will win. Texas is one of the last bastions of Bush support. They can not act like Cornyn is defeated already and they are.</p>
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<p>Yes, chances are Cornyn will survive with the “help” of Dubya. However, part of the 50-state campaign strategy is to push Republicans to the breaking point by pushing them everywhere. We have more campaign money this year and many supposedly safe Republican-held seats will be much weaker than expected and many will lose. Democrats can take it to the rim and stuff ‘em almost anywhere this time around.</p>
<p>Yeah, Cornyn will probably survive, but I wouldn’t dismiss the chance to challenge him and see if there’s a Macacca moment. Remember, Allen (R-Va) was expected to win re-election, right up to the moment when he wasn’t re-elected.</p>
<p>The same might be said about several (supposedly) safe Repub seats. Collins in Maine is another one. Sununu in New Hampshire is another. There are quite a few. There may be many fewer a year from now.</p>
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		<title>By: tanbark</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/14/republicans-obsessed-with-immigration-yet-still-support-bush/#comment-1147580</link>
		<dc:creator>tanbark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Tex, I don’t think the repubs really want to keep the brown bodies out; I think they just want to turn them into red-herrings to use to try get voters minds off the clusterfuck. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What a coup they will have pulled, if they can create more worries about illegal immigrants, than already exists about the terrible costs of the GOP’s bloody chaos-theory petrie dish, on our economy, and on our standing in the world.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tex, I don’t think the repubs really want to keep the brown bodies out; I think they just want to turn them into red-herrings to use to try get voters minds off the clusterfuck. </p>
<p>What a coup they will have pulled, if they can create more worries about illegal immigrants, than already exists about the terrible costs of the GOP’s bloody chaos-theory petrie dish, on our economy, and on our standing in the world.</p>
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		<title>By: 13Martyrs</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/14/republicans-obsessed-with-immigration-yet-still-support-bush/#comment-1147577</link>
		<dc:creator>13Martyrs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Republicans’ policy is to lead through fear. What better way to wage fear than to beat the drum of war on terror and expelling the brown man from our country.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://13martyrs.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://13martyrs.blogspot.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Republicans’ policy is to lead through fear. What better way to wage fear than to beat the drum of war on terror and expelling the brown man from our country.</p>
<p><a href="http://13martyrs.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://13martyrs.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: linden</title>
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		<dc:creator>linden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It costs nothing to prosecute and jail employers, perhaps even putting their businesses out of commission in the process? I’m not saying it’s a bad idea, but I don’t believe there’s a quick, easy fix to immigration, either.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It costs nothing to prosecute and jail employers, perhaps even putting their businesses out of commission in the process? I’m not saying it’s a bad idea, but I don’t believe there’s a quick, easy fix to immigration, either.</p>
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		<title>By: Biodun</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/14/republicans-obsessed-with-immigration-yet-still-support-bush/#comment-1147306</link>
		<dc:creator>Biodun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I like the blog name (the Putz part, as someone who grew up in NYC) and the blog roll at Instaputz.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the blog name (the Putz part, as someone who grew up in NYC) and the blog roll at Instaputz.</p>
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		<title>By: Alicia</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/14/republicans-obsessed-with-immigration-yet-still-support-bush/#comment-1147293</link>
		<dc:creator>Alicia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That’s exactly right, OK. Pretending to be ouraged by illegals while reaping the benefits of a workforce who can make no demands - that’s the worst kind of hypocrisy. Corporations will do anything to keep illegals - don’t believe the hype! &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We just loot and pillage the resources of the rest of the world, then get all indignant when they come here looking for work because we ruined it for them at home…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That’s exactly right, OK. Pretending to be ouraged by illegals while reaping the benefits of a workforce who can make no demands &#8211; that’s the worst kind of hypocrisy. Corporations will do anything to keep illegals &#8211; don’t believe the hype! </p>
<p>We just loot and pillage the resources of the rest of the world, then get all indignant when they come here looking for work because we ruined it for them at home…</p>
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		<title>By: puravida</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/14/republicans-obsessed-with-immigration-yet-still-support-bush/#comment-1147292</link>
		<dc:creator>puravida</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jane’s upstairs…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane’s upstairs…</p>
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		<title>By: scudbucket</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/14/republicans-obsessed-with-immigration-yet-still-support-bush/#comment-1147290</link>
		<dc:creator>scudbucket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Just another instance of Republicans voting against their own self-interest and personal preferences. For over a century now (at least) the Republcan party has been the party of ‘big business’, and cagey rhetoric and the force of overwhelming propaganda (beginning just after the Ludlow massacre and other labor/strike related atrocities) has created the false impression of a party which ‘defends personal freedom’, etc. The initial premise of the post(that GOP rank and file both hate current immigration policy yet still support Bush) is simply another instance of this propaganda victory: the GOP base doesn’t ’support’ Bush, (they also dislike his current policies). It’s just that they rabidly hate Democrats, who, in their view  are socialist-nanny-staters intent on destroying a culture of individualism. The irony, of course, is that a political identity based on preserving a loose concept of individualism is even &lt;i&gt;more&lt;/i&gt; likely to be undermined by the very interests which promote that idea as a value.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just another instance of Republicans voting against their own self-interest and personal preferences. For over a century now (at least) the Republcan party has been the party of ‘big business’, and cagey rhetoric and the force of overwhelming propaganda (beginning just after the Ludlow massacre and other labor/strike related atrocities) has created the false impression of a party which ‘defends personal freedom’, etc. The initial premise of the post(that GOP rank and file both hate current immigration policy yet still support Bush) is simply another instance of this propaganda victory: the GOP base doesn’t ’support’ Bush, (they also dislike his current policies). It’s just that they rabidly hate Democrats, who, in their view  are socialist-nanny-staters intent on destroying a culture of individualism. The irony, of course, is that a political identity based on preserving a loose concept of individualism is even <i>more</i> likely to be undermined by the very interests which promote that idea as a value.</p>
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		<title>By: GeorgeSimian</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/14/republicans-obsessed-with-immigration-yet-still-support-bush/#comment-1147289</link>
		<dc:creator>GeorgeSimian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Don’t count out Newt.  He said if the Repug field sucked, he might throw his hat in.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don’t count out Newt.  He said if the Repug field sucked, he might throw his hat in.</p>
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