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	<title>Comments on: HRC Campaign Bringin&#8217; In Da Rove</title>
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		<title>By: MyrtleJune</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/13/hrc-campaign-bringin-in-da-rove/#comment-1146620</link>
		<dc:creator>MyrtleJune</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 02:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;2nd comment posted….. where’s the other one?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2nd comment posted….. where’s the other one?</p>
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		<title>By: MyrtleJune</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/13/hrc-campaign-bringin-in-da-rove/#comment-1146608</link>
		<dc:creator>MyrtleJune</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 02:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, HRC used to be a Republican, so what’s her point? Oh wait, she still is.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, HRC used to be a Republican, so what’s her point? Oh wait, she still is.</p>
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		<title>By: RoyEPearson</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/13/hrc-campaign-bringin-in-da-rove/#comment-1146320</link>
		<dc:creator>RoyEPearson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Looking back at 68, a lot of people just took a while to absorb what was going on.  It was total chaos.  The Bad guy was of course Richard Daley (just one of the two Dicks of 68) and it badly hurt his rule in the Democrat Party.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;68 was one of those years in which more happened that 366 days.  Martin was killed, then Bobby.  The Race Riots all across the US shook up people.  The war was taking its toll on everyone.  I went through Hue just about 10 days before it was leveled during the Tet Offensive.  I was at LZ Sharon or Quang Tri.  The perimenter was overrun for very short period of time. It was pretty scary, only because it was unexpected.  Our supply lines were cut and we ate c-rations for about a week.  Not much of a hardship compared to losing your life or limbs.   &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I was injured on April Fools day, friendly fire, got to go home.  I was in the Phillipines when they killed Martin.  At home with a cast on my leg when they shot Bobby.  And when Chicago came along no one much cared about anything but bringing down the house.  That is how I feel now.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I want this war to stop.  How do we pass on to new generations that all war and killing does is destroy.  It destroys them and it destroys us.  There are four or five young men who I care very much about either in or about to be deployed to Iraq.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Fouty years and it seems in so amny ways like yesterday, but we do not have men with great Liberal ideas like we used to.  It about who one needs to be not at about who one is.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am just an old man who is sad that things are not better today than when I arrived on the scene.  No one listens to old men and their tales.  Sad.  I did, but that is another story.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking back at 68, a lot of people just took a while to absorb what was going on.  It was total chaos.  The Bad guy was of course Richard Daley (just one of the two Dicks of 68) and it badly hurt his rule in the Democrat Party.  </p>
<p>68 was one of those years in which more happened that 366 days.  Martin was killed, then Bobby.  The Race Riots all across the US shook up people.  The war was taking its toll on everyone.  I went through Hue just about 10 days before it was leveled during the Tet Offensive.  I was at LZ Sharon or Quang Tri.  The perimenter was overrun for very short period of time. It was pretty scary, only because it was unexpected.  Our supply lines were cut and we ate c-rations for about a week.  Not much of a hardship compared to losing your life or limbs.   </p>
<p>I was injured on April Fools day, friendly fire, got to go home.  I was in the Phillipines when they killed Martin.  At home with a cast on my leg when they shot Bobby.  And when Chicago came along no one much cared about anything but bringing down the house.  That is how I feel now.  </p>
<p>I want this war to stop.  How do we pass on to new generations that all war and killing does is destroy.  It destroys them and it destroys us.  There are four or five young men who I care very much about either in or about to be deployed to Iraq.  </p>
<p>Fouty years and it seems in so amny ways like yesterday, but we do not have men with great Liberal ideas like we used to.  It about who one needs to be not at about who one is.  </p>
<p>I am just an old man who is sad that things are not better today than when I arrived on the scene.  No one listens to old men and their tales.  Sad.  I did, but that is another story.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/13/hrc-campaign-bringin-in-da-rove/#comment-1146201</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I’ve read both books Senator Obama has authored. They are so honest and hopeful! :)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And the other Democratic candidates aren’t?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Pray tell, what are 4 or 5 positions Obama takes without calling for a Republican overhaul of Soc. Security or nuking Pakistan or having an immediate summit meeting with Castro and Ahmadinejad?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He says “Change we can believe in”, but frankly the American people need more than something to ‘Believe in’. They need some very important real changes.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BTW, the question which begs to be asked of all the candidates was, “Have you ever used drugs which are now illegal?”, but now is, “Do you currently use any drugs which are illegal?”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If Obama is out there with his former use then it’s imperative that issue be looked into a little further. Is that really the debate Democrats want in the general election?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Wake up, look at these candidates hard — a lot is riding on it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I’ve read both books Senator Obama has authored. They are so honest and hopeful! :)</p>
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<p>And the other Democratic candidates aren’t?</p>
<p>Pray tell, what are 4 or 5 positions Obama takes without calling for a Republican overhaul of Soc. Security or nuking Pakistan or having an immediate summit meeting with Castro and Ahmadinejad?</p>
<p>He says “Change we can believe in”, but frankly the American people need more than something to ‘Believe in’. They need some very important real changes.</p>
<p>BTW, the question which begs to be asked of all the candidates was, “Have you ever used drugs which are now illegal?”, but now is, “Do you currently use any drugs which are illegal?”</p>
<p>If Obama is out there with his former use then it’s imperative that issue be looked into a little further. Is that really the debate Democrats want in the general election?</p>
<p>Wake up, look at these candidates hard — a lot is riding on it.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/13/hrc-campaign-bringin-in-da-rove/#comment-1146173</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Whatever happened to the ability to ignore how other people paint our actions and to provide our own justification for them?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We’ve pointed out numerous times the many mistakes or outright stupidity of Obama, but it doesn’t quite seem to sink through to his supporters. They love his voice I suppose.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe the prospect of nominating a Black man who will lose to a White Republican, even after this disastrous 8 years of Dubya, will make them think a little harder about the candidate&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t particularly like the idea of ‘what will THEY do’ arguments, but something has got to make people think about all of a candidate’s positions and statements. We can’t afford to simply pick somebody based on charisma. We couldn’t afford it with Hillary and we can’t afford it with any other candidate either.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We have to know a lot about them…simple as that.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Whatever happened to the ability to ignore how other people paint our actions and to provide our own justification for them?</p>
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<p>We’ve pointed out numerous times the many mistakes or outright stupidity of Obama, but it doesn’t quite seem to sink through to his supporters. They love his voice I suppose.</p>
<p>Maybe the prospect of nominating a Black man who will lose to a White Republican, even after this disastrous 8 years of Dubya, will make them think a little harder about the candidate</p>
<p>I don’t particularly like the idea of ‘what will THEY do’ arguments, but something has got to make people think about all of a candidate’s positions and statements. We can’t afford to simply pick somebody based on charisma. We couldn’t afford it with Hillary and we can’t afford it with any other candidate either.</p>
<p>We have to know a lot about them…simple as that.</p>
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		<title>By: GilpinGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>GilpinGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We might be missing an opportunity here.  Think of all the daily stoners who could become politically active if they thought there was someone running who understood them.  There might be a big market segment out there that Huckleberry Hound can’t touch.  The crazy evangelical segment is probably already maxed out.  What is two or three million stoners decided to register to vote.  Now if we could find a way to remind them what day the election is we would have a potent constituency and I’m not talking about what they have in their coat pocket.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We might be missing an opportunity here.  Think of all the daily stoners who could become politically active if they thought there was someone running who understood them.  There might be a big market segment out there that Huckleberry Hound can’t touch.  The crazy evangelical segment is probably already maxed out.  What is two or three million stoners decided to register to vote.  Now if we could find a way to remind them what day the election is we would have a potent constituency and I’m not talking about what they have in their coat pocket.</p>
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		<title>By: leftdcin72</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/13/hrc-campaign-bringin-in-da-rove/#comment-1146084</link>
		<dc:creator>leftdcin72</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;But I grew to actively dislike Mondale. He actively supported the Vietnam War long past any mistaken basis for doing so. He ran a terrible presidential campaign filled with petty ambitious people. And then Mondale became a Clintonite.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I always liked Humphrey even when I disagreed with him. And I disagreed with him at the 68 convention.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But I grew to actively dislike Mondale. He actively supported the Vietnam War long past any mistaken basis for doing so. He ran a terrible presidential campaign filled with petty ambitious people. And then Mondale became a Clintonite.</p>
<p>I always liked Humphrey even when I disagreed with him. And I disagreed with him at the 68 convention.</p>
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		<title>By: GilpinGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>GilpinGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If Bush can be an alcoholic until 40 and make president then Obama should also be given the benefit of the doubt and his past indiscretions absolved.  Or if you look at what a mess Bush has made then maybe no one with past problems should be elected president.  My bet is there will be a double standard with Bush getting his standard pass and Obama getting drilled on past activities.  IOKIYAR&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Bush can be an alcoholic until 40 and make president then Obama should also be given the benefit of the doubt and his past indiscretions absolved.  Or if you look at what a mess Bush has made then maybe no one with past problems should be elected president.  My bet is there will be a double standard with Bush getting his standard pass and Obama getting drilled on past activities.  IOKIYAR</p>
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		<title>By: RoyEPearson</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/13/hrc-campaign-bringin-in-da-rove/#comment-1146027</link>
		<dc:creator>RoyEPearson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;So.  That was in 1984.  Humphreys last chance.  I admired Humphrey, but did support him at that time.  In the Texas Primary I  voted for Jackson.  By that time the party had devolved into the no good candidate status.  I was never for Mondale but voted for him in the general election.  The party died in 1968.  No it is not more democratic, it just diffused.  THe leadership determines who we ever get to vote for just like the old days but there is no grassroots support like the old bosses had.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No I do not want to go back, I want Democrats to understand that they are the power in the party and not the leadership who get it wrong all the time.  Bill did not come form the leadership nor did Carter.  His renegade Ledership group is now one of the leadership groups int he party, but they confuse concession with compromise.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;God, I wish Bill could run again.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So.  That was in 1984.  Humphreys last chance.  I admired Humphrey, but did support him at that time.  In the Texas Primary I  voted for Jackson.  By that time the party had devolved into the no good candidate status.  I was never for Mondale but voted for him in the general election.  The party died in 1968.  No it is not more democratic, it just diffused.  THe leadership determines who we ever get to vote for just like the old days but there is no grassroots support like the old bosses had.  </p>
<p>No I do not want to go back, I want Democrats to understand that they are the power in the party and not the leadership who get it wrong all the time.  Bill did not come form the leadership nor did Carter.  His renegade Ledership group is now one of the leadership groups int he party, but they confuse concession with compromise.  </p>
<p>God, I wish Bill could run again.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnDee</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnDee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This little brouhaha is all the more remarkable considering the drunken, coke-snorting wastrel currently occupying the White House. Aren’t there rumors that Bush was &lt;em&gt;dealing&lt;/em&gt; cocaine while he was in college? If Obama were to actually be confronted with this shit by any of the media scum during an interview, he could very well bring up this little fact and throw it in their faces…but we all know he won’t. Gutless “centrist” that he is.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ugh. Hillary and Obama are both awful…I don’t envy you Americans your choice come next year on Election Day….&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This little brouhaha is all the more remarkable considering the drunken, coke-snorting wastrel currently occupying the White House. Aren’t there rumors that Bush was <em>dealing</em> cocaine while he was in college? If Obama were to actually be confronted with this shit by any of the media scum during an interview, he could very well bring up this little fact and throw it in their faces…but we all know he won’t. Gutless “centrist” that he is.</p>
<p>Ugh. Hillary and Obama are both awful…I don’t envy you Americans your choice come next year on Election Day….</p>
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