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		<title>By: ceci</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/13/clinton-campaign-bids-bye-bye-to-cocaine-bill-shaheen/#comment-1146807</link>
		<dc:creator>ceci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 04:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt; &lt;br /&gt;
This morning I called both Hillary Clinton’s Senate and campaign offices reeling over the disgusting tactics she and her handlers are using to discredit and derail Senator Barack Obama’s candidacy. Let us not forget she is still represents New York as a Senator and these reprehensible attacks on Obama reflect badly on all her constituents as well. Frankly, I find it embarrassing to see my representative, for whom I twice voted, engage in these kind of shenanigans. It shows the desperation of the Clinton camp…things slipping out of their control. I voted for the Clintons four times. No more.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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This morning I called both Hillary Clinton’s Senate and campaign offices reeling over the disgusting tactics she and her handlers are using to discredit and derail Senator Barack Obama’s candidacy. Let us not forget she is still represents New York as a Senator and these reprehensible attacks on Obama reflect badly on all her constituents as well. Frankly, I find it embarrassing to see my representative, for whom I twice voted, engage in these kind of shenanigans. It shows the desperation of the Clinton camp…things slipping out of their control. I voted for the Clintons four times. No more.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/13/clinton-campaign-bids-bye-bye-to-cocaine-bill-shaheen/#comment-1146804</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 04:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I apologize…here is the actual NYTimes survey question. And it does say “ever used”…which would mean any past use. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;39. Do you think &lt;b&gt;most&lt;/b&gt; people &lt;b&gt;you know &lt;/b&gt; would vote for a presidential candidate who has ever used cocaine, or not?  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;             Would   Would not   DK/NA&lt;br /&gt;
6/15-23/07     22        74        4   &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So this question isn’t about whether the INDIVIDUAL SURVEYED would vote for a candidate. It’s about their IMPRESSION of a &lt;b&gt; majority of of the people they know &lt;/b&gt; would vote. So really this is a survey question about PERCEIVED MODAL ATTITUDES…not actual attitudes. People who think that most people would vote against such a candidate but themselves might support that candidate actually would answer YES to this question. Anyone who thinks that 50% or more of the population would be biased against such a candidate would answer yes.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And there is actually no ranking of this issue in a list of nested priorities at all.  It may be that this is not a very important issue…and that other factors could cancel out that (e.g. years since it last occurred, the forthrightness of admission~ whether the individual was exposed or raised the issue themselves, age at when it occurred, etc.).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We should all remember that it wasn’t Clinton or the Clinton campaign that exposed Obama’s Cocaine Use. The person who “outed” Obama was Barrack Obama himself. I think that this is a positive action by Obama to reduce the impact the exposure by others would have on his campaigns. But he, and his staff, need to realize that it will be raised by the Republicans. They should be ready to point out all the mitigating factors I’ve mentioned above, in addition to the fact that he’s been clean for nearly thirty years. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If voters are so unforgiving about such things then it doesn’t matter who is involved in raising it as an issue again. But Obama has to hope that he can CHANGE attitudes, not just hide from them.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I apologize…here is the actual NYTimes survey question. And it does say “ever used”…which would mean any past use. </p>
<p>39. Do you think <b>most</b> people <b>you know </b> would vote for a presidential candidate who has ever used cocaine, or not?  </p>
<p>             Would   Would not   DK/NA<br />
6/15-23/07     22        74        4   </p>
<p>So this question isn’t about whether the INDIVIDUAL SURVEYED would vote for a candidate. It’s about their IMPRESSION of a <b> majority of of the people they know </b> would vote. So really this is a survey question about PERCEIVED MODAL ATTITUDES…not actual attitudes. People who think that most people would vote against such a candidate but themselves might support that candidate actually would answer YES to this question. Anyone who thinks that 50% or more of the population would be biased against such a candidate would answer yes.</p>
<p>And there is actually no ranking of this issue in a list of nested priorities at all.  It may be that this is not a very important issue…and that other factors could cancel out that (e.g. years since it last occurred, the forthrightness of admission~ whether the individual was exposed or raised the issue themselves, age at when it occurred, etc.).</p>
<p>We should all remember that it wasn’t Clinton or the Clinton campaign that exposed Obama’s Cocaine Use. The person who “outed” Obama was Barrack Obama himself. I think that this is a positive action by Obama to reduce the impact the exposure by others would have on his campaigns. But he, and his staff, need to realize that it will be raised by the Republicans. They should be ready to point out all the mitigating factors I’ve mentioned above, in addition to the fact that he’s been clean for nearly thirty years. </p>
<p>If voters are so unforgiving about such things then it doesn’t matter who is involved in raising it as an issue again. But Obama has to hope that he can CHANGE attitudes, not just hide from them.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/13/clinton-campaign-bids-bye-bye-to-cocaine-bill-shaheen/#comment-1146765</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 04:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m wondering if that survey adequately seperated out those that would not vote for a candidate who admitted Cocaine use IN THE PAST versus one who wascaught or admitted PRESENTLY USING.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The way I read the question it would suggest to me CURRENT USE. Even I would vote against a present user.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m wondering if that survey adequately seperated out those that would not vote for a candidate who admitted Cocaine use IN THE PAST versus one who wascaught or admitted PRESENTLY USING.</p>
<p>The way I read the question it would suggest to me CURRENT USE. Even I would vote against a present user.</p>
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		<title>By: kbuggy12</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/13/clinton-campaign-bids-bye-bye-to-cocaine-bill-shaheen/#comment-1146720</link>
		<dc:creator>kbuggy12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 04:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m just being honest, so don’t kill me, but I’m honestly having a hard time feeling that I can support Hillary if she wins the Democratic Nomination, I don’t like the campaign she’s running and it just feel to me, that if she is in office, absolutely nothing will get accomplished, just bickering.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m just being honest, so don’t kill me, but I’m honestly having a hard time feeling that I can support Hillary if she wins the Democratic Nomination, I don’t like the campaign she’s running and it just feel to me, that if she is in office, absolutely nothing will get accomplished, just bickering.</p>
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		<title>By: craigfarmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>craigfarmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 03:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If this sentiment is correct about EVER using cocaine,  then this was a great move by Hillary. People have to remember best seller books don’t sell that many copies. Also the media is so ashamed of their past drug use they feel the topic is off limits unless there is some linkage to public duties. So now every paper across the country has the story that Obama used cocaine.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A respected person in her campaign had to do it or else it would have been ignored.&lt;br /&gt;
I give Sheehan credit for taking the public hit to his reputation. He can bounce back with a White House appointment.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this sentiment is correct about EVER using cocaine,  then this was a great move by Hillary. People have to remember best seller books don’t sell that many copies. Also the media is so ashamed of their past drug use they feel the topic is off limits unless there is some linkage to public duties. So now every paper across the country has the story that Obama used cocaine.  </p>
<p>A respected person in her campaign had to do it or else it would have been ignored.<br />
I give Sheehan credit for taking the public hit to his reputation. He can bounce back with a White House appointment.</p>
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		<title>By: craigfarmer</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/13/clinton-campaign-bids-bye-bye-to-cocaine-bill-shaheen/#comment-1146692</link>
		<dc:creator>craigfarmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 03:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;74% say most won’t vote for President who used cocaine&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In a New York Times poll in June, 74 percent of respondents said they did not think most people they know would vote for a presidential candidate who has ever used cocaine.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“In the few polls that explicitly ask about cocaine use in a presidential candidate (as opposed to the softer more generic ‘Drug Use,’)” says one Washington, D.C. insider, “Seventy-four percent say cocaine use makes a person unfit to be president. It’s the highest negative apart from ‘no government experience.’ Put differently, never in the history of the presidency has a front runner openly admitted to using cocaine. So now that Obama is talking about the drug use more often, I am absolutely certain it’s because he and his team know that the cocaine issue is going to roar forward. It will be a major issue if he is the nominee.The GOP will ride it hard and he is trying to inoculate.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://iowaindependent.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1594&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Full article from Iowa paper on 12/6&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>74% say most won’t vote for President who used cocaine</p>
<p>In a New York Times poll in June, 74 percent of respondents said they did not think most people they know would vote for a presidential candidate who has ever used cocaine.</p>
<p>“In the few polls that explicitly ask about cocaine use in a presidential candidate (as opposed to the softer more generic ‘Drug Use,’)” says one Washington, D.C. insider, “Seventy-four percent say cocaine use makes a person unfit to be president. It’s the highest negative apart from ‘no government experience.’ Put differently, never in the history of the presidency has a front runner openly admitted to using cocaine. So now that Obama is talking about the drug use more often, I am absolutely certain it’s because he and his team know that the cocaine issue is going to roar forward. It will be a major issue if he is the nominee.The GOP will ride it hard and he is trying to inoculate.”</p>
<p><a href="http://iowaindependent.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1594" rel="nofollow">Full article from Iowa paper on 12/6</a></p>
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		<title>By: goldberry</title>
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		<dc:creator>goldberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 02:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What makes you think she put him up to it?  Maybe he and a few other supporters thought it would be Ok to point out that the GOP would use it against Obama.  It’s not the first time a mountain has been made of a molehill.&lt;br /&gt;
What is it exactly that Obama is objecting to?  That someone from Clinton’s campaign commented on the possibility that Obama’s prior drug use would be used by the GOP to swiftboat him or the fact that the GOP would swiftboat him?  Somehow, I don’t think this works that much in Obama’s favor.  He threw a hissy.  She apologized.  If he wants to keep flogging it, he does so at his own expense.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What makes you think she put him up to it?  Maybe he and a few other supporters thought it would be Ok to point out that the GOP would use it against Obama.  It’s not the first time a mountain has been made of a molehill.<br />
What is it exactly that Obama is objecting to?  That someone from Clinton’s campaign commented on the possibility that Obama’s prior drug use would be used by the GOP to swiftboat him or the fact that the GOP would swiftboat him?  Somehow, I don’t think this works that much in Obama’s favor.  He threw a hissy.  She apologized.  If he wants to keep flogging it, he does so at his own expense.</p>
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		<title>By: JanesAssistant</title>
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		<dc:creator>JanesAssistant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 02:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I liked the picture&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: goldberry</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/13/clinton-campaign-bids-bye-bye-to-cocaine-bill-shaheen/#comment-1146551</link>
		<dc:creator>goldberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 01:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jane, what good is an alternative media if it is just as biased as the one we left?  Your distaste of Clinton is not unknown but surely you must have pics of Obama with Lieberman as well.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Is this quote of Obama’s in The Stamford Advocate accurate?:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;“The fact of the matter is, I know some in the party have differences with Joe. I’m going to go ahead and say it,” Obama told the 1,700-plus party members who gathered in a ballroom at the Connecticut Convention Center for the $175-per-head fundraiser.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“I am absolutely certain Connecticut is going to have the good sense to send Joe Lieberman back to the U.S. Senate so he can continue to serve on our behalf,” he said.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Obama received widespread attention for his keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention, delivered while he was still a state senator.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Lieberman became Obama’s mentor when Obama was sworn into the Senate in 2005. They stayed close at Thursday night’s event, too, entering the room together and working the crowd in tandem.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Despite the camaraderie between the two, the crowd was clearly more receptive to Obama’s remarks than Lieberman’s speech about party unity and the potential for Democratic victories at the ballot box this fall.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In fact, scattered boos greeted Lieberman when he took the podium, and he had to stop three times during his remarks to shush the crowd so he could deliver key points.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There must be a pic of Obama and Lieberman.  Or at least a co-sponsored bill.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane, what good is an alternative media if it is just as biased as the one we left?  Your distaste of Clinton is not unknown but surely you must have pics of Obama with Lieberman as well.</p>
<p>Is this quote of Obama’s in The Stamford Advocate accurate?:</p>
<blockquote><p>“The fact of the matter is, I know some in the party have differences with Joe. I’m going to go ahead and say it,” Obama told the 1,700-plus party members who gathered in a ballroom at the Connecticut Convention Center for the $175-per-head fundraiser.</p>
<p>“I am absolutely certain Connecticut is going to have the good sense to send Joe Lieberman back to the U.S. Senate so he can continue to serve on our behalf,” he said.</p>
<p>Obama received widespread attention for his keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention, delivered while he was still a state senator.</p>
<p>Lieberman became Obama’s mentor when Obama was sworn into the Senate in 2005. They stayed close at Thursday night’s event, too, entering the room together and working the crowd in tandem.</p>
<p>Despite the camaraderie between the two, the crowd was clearly more receptive to Obama’s remarks than Lieberman’s speech about party unity and the potential for Democratic victories at the ballot box this fall.</p>
<p>In fact, scattered boos greeted Lieberman when he took the podium, and he had to stop three times during his remarks to shush the crowd so he could deliver key points.</p>
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<p>There must be a pic of Obama and Lieberman.  Or at least a co-sponsored bill.</p>
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		<title>By: katiekat</title>
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		<dc:creator>katiekat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 01:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My big wish for New Year? Clinton back in the senate with her good buddy Lieberliar!!! Can not stand any more of the the experience candidate.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My big wish for New Year? Clinton back in the senate with her good buddy Lieberliar!!! Can not stand any more of the the experience candidate.</p>
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