As a journalist who has spent some time reporting on -- and in the process, studying -- domestic terrorism, I've been long dismayed by the Bush administration's political-marketing approach to terrorism, emphasizing the threat of foreign terrorists in the wake of 9/11 while displaying a distinct blindness to the ongoing threat from the domestic side.
So when I first heard about Rep. Jane Harman's "Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007" -- which looseheadprop has already discussed a bit -- I was intrigued. After all, a cursory glance indicated that it represented a reprioritization of our anti-terrorism policies to a more comprehensive strategy, one that's been lacking since George W. Bush's presidential tenure began.
But a closer look at the bill -- particularly the context in which it's arising, the elements pushing it forward, and the significant incursion on civil liberties for which it potentially opens the floodgates -- makes clear that, instead of offering effective tools to defeat terrorists, it's likely if anything to make matters worse. Certainly, it's nothing that serious progressives should support; the sooner it is shot down, the better.
I first heard about it a few weeks ago when I received an e-mail from Lindsay Beyerstein of Majikthise, who was in the process of writing a story about it, inquiring if I'd heard of the legislation. At the time, I hadn't; and my initial response, based on a cursory examination, was that it looked, at least on the surface, like a potentially effective measure that would reorient our priorities on fighting terrorism.
Still, there were nagging issues, not the least of which was that the "national commission" that it would create would be exempt under the Federal Advisory Commission Act, which is designed to ensure transparency and openness to the public for its activities. Indeed, the more I looked, the more it became apparent the entity it would create would have little if any public accountability at all -- and would actually resemble some of the witch-hunt commissions that have haunted past episodes of American history.
But in-depth policy analysis is not my bailiwick, so I consulted people in the civil-rights business what their opinions were, and what I heard back was more than enough to raise real doubts in my mind about the legislation.
Lindsay's In These Times piece directly touched on these issues. Notably, she obtained assessments from people who are invovled in both researching and organizing against domestic terrorists, particularly the far-right variety, many of whom I consider research colleagues. And the response was uniformly negative.
Mike German:
“A chief problem is radical forms of Islam, but we’re not only studying radical Islam,” Harman says. “We’re studying the phenomenon of people with radical beliefs who turn into people who would use violence.”
That worries Mike German, policy counsel for the ACLU, who calls the legislation “wrongheaded” because it focuses on ideology, rather than criminal activity. The bill calls for heightened scrutiny of people who believe, or might come to believe, in a violent ideology. German wants the government to focus on people who are actually committing crimes, rather than those who are merely entertaining violent ideas, something perfectly legal.
Chip Berlet:
“The bill replicates what already exists without peer review and safeguards,” says Chip Berlet, a senior policy analyst for Political Research Associates, an independent non-profit research organization that studies political violence, authoritarianism, and homegrown terrorism.
Devin Burghart:
The broad wording of the bill leaves open many questions. If homegrown terrorism is defined to include “intimidation” of the United States government or any segment of its population—could the Commission or the Center of Excellence task itself with investigating groups advocating boycotts, general strikes, or other forms of non-violent “intimidation”?
“While we wholeheartedly support efforts to curtail terrorism, primarily coming from white supremacists, we would also like to see legislation that more vigorously defends civil rights,” says Devin Burghart, an expert on domestic terrorism at the Center for New Communities, a national civil and human rights organization based in Chicago.
Let's be clear: The problems that America faces regarding domestic terrorism have little if anything to do with the lack of tools for dealing with it. The tools exist already. The problems we have with domestic terrorism are all about the failure to use, or the misuse, of the tools we do have. The lack of adequate funding and staffing to deal with the issue reflects the larger skewing of national priorities by our governmental leaders -- and that remains the problem.
As Beyerstein observes:
The FBI already has a domestic terrorism unit. The U.S. intelligence community also monitors the homegrown terrorists and overseas networks that might be reaching out to US residents. The July 2007 National Intelligence Estimate included a section headed, “The Terrorist Threat to the U.S. Homeland.” But Harman argues that a national commission on homegrown terrorism could benefit the country in much the same way as the 9/11 Commission, the Silberman/Robb Commission or other high-profile national security inquiries.
Whatever the merits of a commission, they seem to be separate from the arguments for a center for excellence. After all, Congress can request testimony from the experts of its choice. There are other ways to fund research into domestic terrorism, including research grants awarded by peer review. One of the amendments to the bill emphasized the importance of international cooperation between U.S. authorities and experts in countries that have already contended with homegrown Islamic terrorist plots, but there is nothing stopping Congress from consulting with those experts now.
Berlet questions why the country needs the Secretary of Homeland Security to channel resources through a handpicked “center of excellence” when there are already so many scholars organizations studying political violence in America. He cited the Southern Poverty Law Center, the Anti-Defamation League, and the Simon Wiesenthal Center as long-established, institutional sources of expertise on homegrown terrorism. Their efforts are complimented by independent scholars and writers across the country.
“Congress could just read their books,” he says.
German, who I first encountered when he was an undercover FBI agent, has a substantial track record of blowing the whistle on the FBI's misbegotten handling of domestic terrorism under Bush. And as he points out, we quickly lost sight of the reality that terrorism is an asymmetrical threat, in spite of the fact that right on the heels of 9/11, the nation was gripped by the very real threat of an anthrax attack -- which in the weeks, months and years since has been clearly shown to be an act of domestic terrorism. That incident made all too clear that these terrorists are prone to "piggybacking" off other domestic terrorists in hopes of creating a cresting tide of terror.
It became publicly obvious, though, that the administration's antiterrorism strategy was nigh-useless with the FBI's insistence that the most dangerous domestic-terrorist threat to Americans is actually the Earth Liberation Front. As I noted at the time:
This is a crystalline example of the gross skewing of priorities for both law enforcement and intelligence in dealing with terrorism that has been a hallmark of the Bush regime.
While eco-terrorists are a serious problem, and deserve certainly serious prosecution under the law, the level of threat they represent is proportionally so much less than that from the far-right "Patriot" movement and white supremacists as to raise serious questions about the priorities of both the FBI and the Justice Department. Certainly it is worth observing, as does It's a Crock, that "eco-terrorist" Jeff Luers -- who torched three SUVs and took care to do so when it was unlikely anyone would be harmed -- is serving a 22-year prison sentence, while William Krar -- who built a cyanide bomb designed to kill perhaps a hundred people or more -- is facing a mere 15 years. When left-wing terrorists begin actually killing and maiming people and blowing up federal buildings with day cares inside them, or even plotting to do so, perhaps then they will deserve the kind of focus being accorded them under the Bush and Ashcroft style of governance.
Moreover, lest anyone think that the American far right is incapable of serious damage and not really in al Qaeda's class, it's probably useful to recall that before Sept. 11, the most lethal terrorist attack on American soil was committed by American right-wing extremists, with a toll similar to Spain's recent losses.
And contrary to those who argue that an emphasis on law enforcement is inadequate, the reality is that a one-two punch of intelligence and law enforcement is extraordinarily effective in stopping terrorism, at least domestically. One of the points that emerged from my in-depth work for MSNBC on domestic terrorism was that of the 40-plus cases of serious domestic terrorism we identified as arising in the 1995-2000 period, the vast majority had in fact been nipped in the bud by law enforcement before the would-be terrorists could act, largely through effective intelligence-gathering and aggressive arrests and prosecution. There is no reason this same approach would not be effective on a global scale -- unless, of course, one were allergic to cooperating with the very concept of international law enforcement.
Not only is the Bush administration allergic to international law enforcement, the officials in charge of its subsequent "war on terror" seem to break out in hives at the very concept of Americans' civil liberties, since the majority of initiatives it's undertaken since -- data mining, wiretapping, and placing "enemy combatants" not under the purview of normal law enforcement but new "military tribunals" -- have been all about destroying constitutional and legislative protections of those rights.
It's a profoundly counter-productive approach, because defeating terrorism -- really defeating it, which ultimately means preventing it -- requires not the brute and violent excision of terrorists but the removal of the conditions (typically unaddressed grievances) that inspires people to such lengths in the first place. And the American system of government, predicated on a Constitution dedicated to the political empowerment of ordinary citizens, is in the end one of the most powerful tools for defusing this threat.
As German, in his excellent book Thinking Like a Terrorist: Insights of a Former FBI Undercover Agent, puts it:
Luckily enough, the United States has the most practical counter-terrorism strategy ever written, and its record of effectiveness has lasted over 200 years. All we have to do now is take it off the shelf where it has been languishing since 9/11 and implement it. The counterterrorism strategy I'm referring to is called the Constitution of the United States.
The Constitution is a workable counterterrorism strategy because its authors were themselves terrorists -- or freedom fighters, if you prefer -- fresh from a successful asymmetrical war of attrition waged against the superpower of their day. The colonists knew what compelled them to fight and what enabled them to succeed. When they sat down to create their new government, they wanted to inoculate it against the abuses of power that drove their just rebellion. ...
German cites the values expressed by Jefferson in his inaugural address:
Equal and exact justice to all men, of whatever state or persuasion, religious or political; peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none; the support of the State governments in all their rights, as the most competent administrations for our domestic concerns and the surest bulwarks against antirepublican tendencies; the preservation of the General Government in its whole constitutional vigor, as the sheet anchor of our peace at home and safety abroad; a jealous care of the right of election by the people -- a mild and safe corrective of abuses which are lopped by the sword of revolution where peaceable remedies are unprovided; absolute acquiescence in the decisions of the majority, the vital principle of republics, from which is no appeal but to force, the vital principle and immediate parent of despotism; a well disciplined militia, our best reliance in peace and for the first moments of war, till regulars may relieve them; the supremacy of the civil over the military authority; economy in the public expense, that labor may be lightly burthened; the honest payment of our debts and sacred preservation of the public faith; encouragement of agriculture, and of commerce as its handmaid; the diffusion of information and arraignment of all abuses at the bar of the public reason; freedom of religion; freedom of the press, and freedom of person under the protection of the habeas corpus, and trial by juries impartially selected.
As German says:
A nation guided by these principles could not produce a legitimately motivated terrorist group, especially the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, Fifteenth and Nineteenth Amendments guaranteed these rights to all men and women. And while extremist terrorist groups can rise from time to time to threaten the peace, the efficient enforcement of the law through the strict observance of constitutional rights ensures these groups will not grow into a movement that can threaten national security.
Unfortunately, the decision makers who set U.S. counterterrorism policies somehow got the idea the Constitution was an impediment to counterterrorism operations rather than an effective strategy to fight terrorism. They said the Bill of Rights unnecessarily handcuffed our law enforcement and intelligence agencies, and they could only effectively counter terrorism if they were freed from constitutional restraints. Further, the al Qaeda threat was so new and so grave it was beyond the capacity of traditional legal solutions. They even rendered the Geneva Conventions "quaint" in this new type of war. They told the American people and their allies we needed to go on the "dark side" if we wanted to fight this threat and win. Even worse, since the Global War on Terrorism began they have led us to believe our own rights threaten our survival. They have lured us into the false belief that we can only ensure our security by sacrificing our civil liberties.
These reactions are not unusual in times of crisis, as we've seen, nor is the United States alone in making the mistake of believing security can be maintained only by restraining liberty. It seems every generation faces threats it then uses to justify extraordinary actions. ...
Over 200 years later the Constitution still protects us, and ours is still the strongest government on earth. Liberty is now a weakness, it is our strength. ...
As we learned from reading the various terrorists' strategies, they use tactics specifically designed to provoke an inefficient response. Terrorists want the victimized government to blame an entire community for the acts of a few and punish the innocent as well as the guilty. An effective counterterrorism strategy, then, requires efficiency, both in using allocated resources wisely and in focusing the counterterrorism strategy squarely on the terrorists. The Constitution is the perfect counterterrorism strategy because it is designed to compel efficiency in the way government power is exercised.
People involved in the work of monitoring domestic terrorists, hate groups, and other far-right extremists are motivated primarily by concern for the fundamental civil rights of our fellow citizens. After all, what these groups are about primarily is the extra-governmental denial of the civil rights of minorities and other target groups.
We'll never defeat them by taking away their civil rights. What will work, in fact, is emphasizing our liberties and ensuring that they are protected from abuse both by the government and by their fellow citizens.
In that respect, passing a federal bias-crimes law will do more to protect Americans from acts of terrorism than creating an unaccountable national commission ever will, since it would seriously enhance the law-enforcement tools we already have. Jane Harman and the rest of the Democratic leadership recently had their chance to do something about that -- and, well, we all know how that turned out, don't we?
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As a 39 year straight ticket Demo voter, I can’t stand most of the politicians in my party. My party is losing me. And I am fully aware they don’t care.
Well, unfortunately, kiddo, the flip side to that is letting the Republicans set the agenda. And that’s been a disaster.
I’d rather be on offense than on defense. Better to be pushing Democrats to be Democrats than trying to push Republicans to do the same.
Well… that’s certainly one way of looking at things.
The terrorists have replaced the Communists as the bad guys. For both Republicans and Democrats.
Think for pointing this out but what the suprise here.
jo6pac
Who is Harman trying to suck up to with this bill?
Sooner or later, perhaps, Pelosi, Reid and HRC will ‘come around’. What I need to do is to keep pushing them in the right, I mean left direction.
what party does the originator of this dangerous act come from, this act that would usher us into the era of Thoughtcrimes?
Representative Jane Harman (DEMOCRAT - CA)
hmmmmm, it is as if both elite factions support a corporate authoritarian nightmare at home, and imperial war crimes abroad.
maybe refraining from participation in the electoral charade is actually the least worst option?
Why don’t the dems just do what would be REAL protection from terrorists and stop the rest of the republican stuff?
Dan Abrams gettin’ Rove on Siegleman…
http://www.govtrack.us/congres.....=s110-1959
1)Our founders sponsored a violent Revolution for the purpose of facilitating the advancement of men, political, religious, and social change and gave us the United States Constitution identifying the rights of men!
2) Our founders used force of violence to promote a group, these United States, protecting individual’s rights, both political and religious, defining social beliefs and values stated in the constitution.
3) Our founders, where home grown terrorist sick of “sodomization” by a King and his corporate cohorts in colonial crime protecting their self- interests at the expense of the governed and further protected by ocean, army, and unjust law. We have rights duties, obligations as American’s secured by law. Some of our current political leaders act more like Kings and his corporate cohorts in colonial crime than representatives of the people these United States. This set up a political process to be used by politicians for politcal gain. It is garbage
Last October, author Bob Harris visited the FDL Book Salon to chat about his book Who Hates Whom: Well-Armed Fanatics, Intractable Conflicts, and Various Things Blowing Up A Woefully Incomplete Guide. In the chat, Jane lifted out a particularly nice paragraph from the book, very relevant to this discussion. Says Harris:
After reading German’s thoughts on the constitution above, I’d love to hear him chat with Bob Harris about “terrorism” and the BushCo approach to it.
If we started in earnest now, in ten years we might have a viable alternative polical party(s) to the very tired Republican and Dempocratic parties.
Dan Abrams gettin’ Rove on Siegleman…
Well at least Cliff May is off the screen. “Henry Kissinger disagrees with the NIE”
Well, then Cliff, by all means let’s do it all over again. After all, Henry the K’s never been wrong or anything. Lord, I loathe that guy (May)(and Kissinger now that I think about it)
This affirms Sheldon Whitehouse assertions and KO’s guest stats last night
Yeah. What’s Harmon’s motivation? I’ve been scared witless about this ever since I first noticed it. Wasn’t it pass by something like over 400 in the House?
“Jane Harman and the rest of the Democratic leadership recently had their chance to do something about that — and, well, we all know how that turned out, don’t we?”
And I’m (we) are going to enlighten Pelosi, Harman, Reid, HRC and others to become “better Democrats”?
hear hear! every election cycle progressives pin their hopes on the (D) team, like Charlie Brown beleiving that this time Lucy will let him kick the football. It never happens, and never will.
It may take 10 years, it may take 5. it is worth it, it has happenend before.
Democrats of principle can fold themselves into the new party, leaving the corporatists and neo-cons behind.
Hey, the wingnut Rs worked at it for 40 years before they got what they wanted. Then they self-destructed in 15. I’ll bet if we work for a decade to get good gov, it will last a lot longer.
wow - that is *so* not how I pictured Scott Horton… (on Abrams)
Can you elaborate?
Cliff May is, for whatever reason, MSNBC’s designated Reciter of the Republican Talking Points. I have never heard the network describe any credentials he might have that would justify devoting so much airtime to his opinions. Who is this guy, anyway?
Maybe it’s their attempt at “balance.” But surely they could find a more qualified spokesperson for the Republican point of view. May is the perfect embodiment of the non-reality-based perspective.
here is a puzzle that has been driving me crazy; if anyone can give me a hint….
http://freeweb.siol.net/danej/riverIQGame.swf
Apparently this is an IQ test given to job applicants in Japan:
“Everybody has to cross the river”.
The following rules apply:
Only 2 persons on the raft at a time
The father can not stay with any of the daughters without their mother’s
presence
The mother can not stay with any of the sons without their father’s
presence
The thief (striped shirt) can not stay with any family member if the
Policeman is not there
Only the Father, the Mother and the Policeman know how to operate the
raft
To start click on the big blue circle on the right.
To move the people click on them. To move the raft click on the pole on
the opposite side of the river.
I say, all past trangressions by prior occupants of the white house, on the office of the president, are mere nat compared to the bull’s ass. As to the present occupants, they have obliterated the bull and its ass……
406-4 no debate no nothing…………… suspended the rules……
procedural horse*hit!!!
Well, hmmmmm, I know of “some people in this country that fit this description”….Heh!!!!!
“The term ‘violent radicalization’ means the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious, or social change.
“(3) Homegrown terrorism.—
“The term ‘homegrown terrorism’ means the use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within the United States or any possession of the United States to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.“
Heh….Bingo!!!
I’m not sure about Harman’s motivations — I can’t claim to have any insight there. What I can say is something I meant to emphasize more in the post: this legislation seems more likely designed to enhance the current (very skewed) paradigm, which means they’re going to be focusing on Muslims and “eco-terrorists.” Antiwar groups are probably lurking just off the radar.
Sounds like Bushco to me.
The reason for terrorism against the United States is our government’s long held belief that it’s alright to steal another country’s resources through violence and military occupation.
Not much, as I’m not much of a R historian. But in my causal reading on the subject, Rs started organizing to regain power after the defeat of Goldwater. Some college R orgs that ended up holding many positions of power by the 00s. (Follow the Money has detail on that aspect.) Viguery’s contribution in direct mail was a seminal feature. Others here can fill in a lot more info.
The big diff is that wingnuts’ efforts were mostly top down, while ours are bottom up. I think (hope?) our efforts could be more long lasting because they arise from real people, not with autocrats.
3) Our founders, where home grown terrorist sick of “sodomization” by a King and his corporate cohorts in colonial crime protecting their self- interests at the expense of the governed and further protected by ocean, army, and unjust law. We have rights duties, obligations as American’s secured by law. Some of our current political leaders act more like Kings and his corporate cohorts in colonial crime than representatives of the people these United States. This set up a political process to be used by politicians for politcal gain. It is garbage. I like repeating myself for the purpose fostering truth, opposed to the mantra of crap I hear everyday…….and read…..and see!!
I actually watched part of the program tonight, the Siegleman part was good. Haven’t watched lately, since it all used to be blonds being kidnapped, but looks like it’s getting better for the first part of the show.
Ahem. Antiwar groups are surely front & center as the bull’s eye. Muslims & eco-groups are the bright shiny objects to draw your attention from the real target.
Hey, we stole the country fair & square.
It provide a mechanism to control content and control of information on the net. Imagine a committee makes a finding based on a bullshit threat.
No that committee chair is a guy like Joe McCarty……….
A politcal process set up by politicians to be used for politcal reasons………..
I understand what you are telling me. Are you of a mind that we should restrict ourselves to a two party government as the best way to achieve fairness? ;0)
Not so. The chimp and his henchmen are the bad guys, the world over.
HR 1955 coming soon near you.
jo6pac
Loved the part about terrorism arises from unaddressed grievances on the part of minorities. Have never seen it expressed more concisely & cogently.
Imagine that terrorists aren’t nuts but have been driven to extremes by circumstances. Not condoning it. They have other, better, alternatives, at least in the U.S. Just trying to put myself into their frame so as to figure out what the intelligent counter policy might be.
Bingo!!!
if “eco-terrorist” are a focus, then you’ve got to study environmentalists, since any of them could become a terrorist at any time.
… but seriously, i think the targets will mostly be those seen as threatening to corporate interests:
1) global justice activists (aka anti-globalization)
2) “eco-terrorists”
3) “animal rights terrorists”
4) some antiwar activists (especially those targeting recruiting or arms manufacturers)
5) scary brown people to distract and provide a daily 10 minutes of hate.
If I am reading what you are saying correctly, I think I would be compelled to agree. Some say that GWB is the worst terrorist in the world. Is this what you are saying to me?
Nope. Think 2 party system is probably unsumountable & therefore think we should figure out ways to make it better.
Many other voting schemes than winner-take-all would result in much more choice in a democracy. But can you imagine either the Ds or the Rs conceding to give up winner-take-all, when both want all the spoils of the winner & both think they can win.
So ‘m saying we;re stuck with 2 parties, but we can find (I hope) a critical mass of people on the D side who will do the right thing.
I like that. ;0)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJYbgouqlMw
KUCINICH: Takes House Floor, Moves for Cheney Impeachment. Listen to what the man says…………..
This resolution sits on Conyers lap!!!!
And as a 39 year Demo, I hope you’re right. ;0)
But I don’t want to fund another secret study of me and my neighbors.
Does that make you 39 years old, or 39+18, when you could first vote?
The center to left in the Democratic Party sorely needs some leverage within the party.
Yes.
I also agree with your comment that we are subject to terrorism because we have stolen and coerced other people’s land and resources. People are naturally pissed off. Those without diplomats and oil reserves feel compelled to resort to pipe bombs. and fear tactics.
1 Policeman + thief cross river
2 Policeman returns
3 Policeman + boy #1 cross river
4 Policeman + thief return
5 Father + boy #2 cross river
6 Father returns
7 Mother + father cross river
8 Mother returns
9 Policeman + thief cross river
10 Father returns
11 Mother + father cross river
12 Mother returns
13 Mother + girl #1 cross river
14 Policeman + thief return
15 Policeman + girl #2 cross river
16 Policeman returns
17 Policeman + thief cross river
I’ll give you a hint, consider taking someone over to the other side and then bring someone else back and take s/he back over again later. I hope this makes sense cause I’m way too tired to think hard.
nevermind
oh, very good Arca!
39+21. At the time I started voting in Cali you had to be 21.
The thing that hasn’t been mentioned yet is that an enemy is required for the people in power. After the fall of the Soviet Union, the powers-that-be here were left with no enemy to unify us. So demonizing brown people, be they Muslim or Latino immigrants, had to be substituted for Reds.
And the mother of the injured boy is a medical doctor?
True. Too bad our enemy can’t be hunger, oppression, disease, poverty, greed,and the coming climate catastrophe.
Not as compelling enemies as brown people & drugs. Don;t know why. Just an empirical observation.
Those are “our” enemies, can’t speak for the pukes though, they seem to think their enemies are us.
Wierd, isn’t it? When my list is so much scarier.
Maybe it’s because your list is so much scarier.
see you cats. Taking my limping hound out. He played in the snow, and now he’s sorry.
I’m half brown and half white. It sometimes causes a commotion when my lady (who is all brown, she’s Cherokee as is 1/2 of me) and I go to the mall. ;0)
I understand that it is true. I do not understand why. I do not understand why people fear those who are different from themselves. I find those kinds much more interesting and wish there were more in my life. The only people who scare me are authoritarian religous wingnuts. And I think my conclusion is objectively supported by evidence.
So…like you’re the 3/4 unit?
The problem is chronic power. We need term limits and public funding of elections.
The system to date has not for the most part produced “the best and brightest” but rather the most self-serving and compromised club that can be bought…
Lahoma wants I should say to each of you goodnight and Happy whatevers or Merry Christmas. Lahoma reads all your comments.
lahoma and okk
G’nite OKK.
Good night to you & Lahoma.
Term limits would require a Constitutional Amendment…ain’t going to happen.
Makes me think of that great Ursula LeGuin novel The Lathe of Heaven. The protag has effective dreams. Whatever he dreams comes true. So he tries to dream about a world with no prejudice, no racism. So he wakes up and everyone is grey. The only way they can stop hating and fearing each other is if they are all just the same. Sad.
We limited the president, why not everyone else?
I never thought dubya/darth would happen either….
Distopia. The only thing sadder than reality.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
i got up to step 9.
Thanks!!!!
We’d still find a way to define a group to hate.
It’s interesting, groups most similar exhibit the most hate towards each other-shite/sunni, irish catholics/prodestants, tutsi/hutu, etc etc….
http://www.sciam.com/article.c.....-evolution
Exactly the opposite is happening.
Yep.
We are all the same…just in different…ummmm….physical “suits”.
IMO it’s hard wired into our DNA..I think the difference, in any culture, that the “Liberal” can extend the natural bonds that exist within a “family group” to all of Humanity. The “lizard brains” can’t or won’t.
Thanks for the link. I’ve been reading about that. Very interesting.
Calling Marcy Winograd!
Apparently, nobody. There is nothing in wiki about this dude.
Time to start putting flowers in the gun barrels again….Geez….I guess they really meant it when they invoked “no tolerance”….Do we have to come out and pull the country over again???? I guess so.
Geez America, grow up. This is getting really tedious.
My favorite sculture of all time, in the plaza of the U.N., 7 blocks from where I live (so I see it often) is the 15-foot high hand gun, with the barrel tied in a knot. Off to see if I can find a pic.
Here it is
http://www.mindfully.org/tshirt.htm
The guns will be held not by our brothers and sisters but by Blackwater thugs thirsting to kill American liberals.
Used to live near there too. 1st and 66th.
I hadn’t seen that yet!
53 & Sutton Place. U still in NYC? We have a FDL meetup group.
No, been in Vermont the last 20 years.
Ron Paul — Looking better all the time.
Did you get today’s snow storm?
I like that a lot!
Yup. Only a few inches, but we already had more than a foot. Supposed to get another foot (or two!) this weekend.
After the last few warm winters, we are all very happy here with the snow.
You guys got some snow didn’t you? NYC is the only place I ever saw people break out umbrellas in snow storms.
Well, I’m at my country house (85 miles from NYC). About 10″ here. Very beautiful, light fluffy stuff with very few cars on the road. My vision of teh perfect.
Yes. Beautiful. Enjoy.
Early start up tomorrow. Night folks.
And, you know what? They can kiss my fat a$$……they are delusional, they dream a bad dream…not my dream of peace….not my dream of freedom, and not my dream of good things…these people just have one big, nasty, night terror, that they never seem to wake up from. They want to kill anyone that they feel threatened by….
Grrrrr……..oh, and they are driven by greeeeeeed! A$$hooooools.
Nite to you CarolynU & turning in myself.
Why is killing the friggin’ solution to every diplomatic problem these days????