With his latest veto of SCHIP and threatened vetoes of virtually everything else, no matter how worthy, President Bush is in the process of rubbing America's nose in the dirt. And he doesn't care what Americans think about it. This is all about him and his ego.
The President and his Republican Party fully understand that as long as impeachment is off the table - or even the willingness to seriously confront the President's abuse of the Constitution -- there is nothing a slim Democratic majority in Congress can do. They are dealing with an irresponsible, out of control bully, and unless they're willing to take him down at some unknown risk to the country, there's nothing they can do except give in to the spoiled bully's demands. We are all hostages to that framework, and there's no point denying it. All serious discussion should start from there.
Early Wednesday, the President vetoed SCHIP for the second time, a bipartisan bill to provide health coverage to nearly 4 million children who now live without health insurance. The numbers -- an additional $35 billion -- are not important, because this was not about the dollars, the costs to society of not caring for its own children, the numbers left insured or even whether a handful of deserving adults might actually have benefitted too. For the President, this was all about proving that he could force Congress to accept his demands and frustrate the Democrats in Congress.
But no Democrats in Congress will suffer from the President's veto. They, like the President, his family, every member of the White House and the Vice President's Office and their families are all covered by government sponsored and paid for health coverage -- all paid for by the American tax payers. Only uninsured children and their families will be harmed by the President's veto.
In addition to Wednesday's veto, the President is threatening to veto Congress' efforts to fix the Alternative Minimum Tax. If the Congress tries to replace any of the lost tax revenues -- about $50 billion next year alone -- by removing tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans, including those who shelter their wealth offshore, the President will veto the bill. He'll punish the whole country to protect tax avoidance by the wealthy, just to prove he can.
And then he'll veto the aggregate spending bills now struggling towards Congressional approval. And he'll demand that he get every dollar he insisted on for war, and without strings. And because he demands it, and Congress will not confront this bullying, he will likely get it.
We face the same outrage on issue after issue, from the Iraq occupation, to detainee treatment and torture, to illegal spying, to the Administration's refusal to join with other nations to set limits on global warming emissions. George Bush will have it his way, or no way.
It's all being played out as a "partisan" fight between Congressional Democrats and Republicans, or a fight over alternative views of fiscal or economic policy, as though this is just normal "politics." But make no mistake about it, this is not normal politics nor does it have anything to do with debates about public policy.
We have a deeply unpopular President, a flawed man in a failed Presidency, perhaps the worst in our history. And we're stuck with this spoiled, arrogant bully for President, a man who's now putting his personal ego before the national interest, and who's intent on running the country into a ditch, just to prove he can.
Update on more obstruction and veto threats on the stalled energy bill.
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Wasn’t SCHIP already downsized quite a lot from the previous version? What is the point? Can this become the new article to use against -ANY- republican for re-election? Republican’s constant flaw of ignoring problems.
(((((((Jane!)))))))
No More Bullies!
BTW great post Scarecrow.
Jesus loves the little children. All the children of the world. Red and yellow black and white, they are precious in his sight. Jesus loves the little children of the world.
Why does George W. Bush hate the little children?
We’re stuck with this spoiled, arrogant bully for President because of the feckless Democrats.
This disgusting pig-child is behaving like the depraved frat boy he was and always will be.
His professed faith is a charade and a figleaf to hide his Caligula-like desire to force the entire world to react to his whims.
The nation is dying a painful death and this vulgarian is still eating quail wings and drinking eggnog and putting his boot on the worlds neck.
-G
P.S. He also enjoys watching people die. Congressman Stark was dead-on in his characterization.
Meanwhile more poor, brown and black folks in Somalia die and are suffering because of Bush’s Godlike desire to reshape the world to his perverted vision.
Misery on the horn of Africa, courtesy of George W.
When he was joking about being dictator…
he wasn’t joking.
Really. What is the point? Why are the Democrats going through this when all they’re going to do is whine about having the votes. We know that. We’ve been through this before on SCHIP. last time they put off the vote to give us a chance to contact people and we did but there were too many people inexplicably sticking with Bush on this. The Republicans are already creaming the Democrats about cynically playing piolitics with this and hate to say it, but they’re right. The Dem leadership- such as it is- is doing its best to piss away a good issue for them.
When the histories are written this will be protrayed as the most shameful period in American politics.
He is reverting to form, or rather showing the form he always had and successfully hid from the American public. I originally thought he would crack under the pressure, but there hasn’t been enough pressure and his shell is tough. He doesn’t care, and that permits him to survive. He has never cared about anything or anyone but himself. We all know people like that; but we don’t know very many in high office. It’s quite remarkable, not to say tragic. Unless the MSM zero on this defect of character, nothing will happen. He can hang on to bring down his party and the country.
I think this may be why we have seen the recent releases of information from the CIA. They know how dangerous he is at this stage. Cheney, mad as he is, is predictable. Bush is not.
The real problem is that ~44% of the voting population are hard core lizard brains.
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He doesn’t hate the children, he hates Jesus.
Bu’ush believes in “private health care.” Except, of course, where his own is concerned.
I don’t think psychopaths crack under pressure.
I’ve asked this question before, has Pelosi ever given a reason why “impeachement is off the table”.
Jane, you make a good argument.
Never thought he was. Foreshadowing.
The real issue here is not just the President’s unpopularity– it is the Republican Party’s cohesion in supporting the President’s vetos. Normally, Republicans would start peeling away from such an unpopular president. Their clinging to him, supporting his vetos, is what is bizarre. What is keeping them together?
Bob in HI
Except this post was written by Scarecrow Caw Caw!
Remember the story of when he was a pissed-off teenager, and Bar was trying to drive down their (very long) driveway? He got in front of her on his bike and slowly wove back and forth in front of the car, forcing her to drive very slowly and pissing her off in the extreme.
She should have done us all a favor and taught him a lesson way back then.
Yes, she does.
Perhaps they also understand that there is nothing the craven (D) politicos would do differently, even if they could.
Because both elite factions favor a corporate authoritarian ‘Homeland’ and imperial conquest abroad.
The myth of a would’ve, could’ve, innocent bystander (D) party tied to the rails and feebly struggling is getting really threadbare.
Which leaves a huge void for a principled opposition movement to fill. Principled congressional (D)’s, if any, could always sign up.
But you forgot the last and possibly most important line.
Here’s K-Drum on R nihilism.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.c…..012690.php
Scarecrow, ignoring for the moment any barriers to impeachment, would anything be gained by impeaching at this late date in the term? Would those gains be worth the costs?
Blackmail comes to mind. Not a lot else can account for this reckless disregard for political survival.
Congress, led by the Dems, should not introduce any spending bills until all veto threats are dropped. Cut off the funding. This is what they should’ve done from the start. And after a year? Nothing! They’ve done bugger all.
Only saying that nobody, especially the president, is above the law. Also, if they are let off the hook fot their crimes, they, or somebody else, may feel free to take advantage of the precedent.
He was a disgusting pig in 1999 (and before) when he ran the toy/make-pretend companys daddy41 gave him to play with into the ground. It was soooo much more relevant to concentrate on Al Gore’s sighing and earth tones than the track record of this idiot, and at the time the press was demonstrating their price: better-quality cocktail weenies from Sams Club vs whatever Gore was serving on the campaign plane.
And again in 2004 when they could have been debunking the Swiftboaters before they got traction, they were getting feted with bbq at the Idiot Village in Crawford.
I never thought he was joking when he said it would be easier to be a dictator… and now he’s proven it so. I’m not sure why the media (and many democrats) ever doubted he meant that.
Impeach Nancy Pelosi for not standing up for the Republic.
Without impeachment, they get away with it. It’s that simple. Who gives a fart about timelines???
We have to impeach if for no other reason than to state emphatically to the world that these policies, behaviors, actions will not stand.
The next President, likely regardless of who they are, will not renounce or give up their (no longer new) Bush-Acquired powers. The next President will start with all the power that Bush has taken over the years, the loss of rights by the people will only go one way from here on out–unless those powers are renounced, loudly, continuously, and emphatically.
By Impeachment
Not till they’re in jail…
In jail, they become depressed. And I hope we live to see the day!
Bingo! We have a winner!
When will the Dems realize that unless they start hanging together, they’ll never be able to win anything?
I’m thinking that the best solution is to leave the Dems with the ‘Publican-lite position, and the rest of the party - which ought to be about two-thirds of it - go off on our own.
(It’s the hapless Congresscritters plus Hillary getting nasty with Obama (who isn’t much more than a good-looking shell IMO), plus the others running, none of whom (Clinton and Obama included) seem to have more than one good idea each. And the complete cluelessness about torture being already illegal and Congress’s role in oversight and ….)
I don’t know how to make that judgment. The regime is waterboarding the country, and we’re all hoping they don’t recklessly drown us before January 2009 — like organ failure. In the meantime, we’ll confess whatever they want. America doesn’t have a political explanation for this; it’s in the realm of pyschiatry/psychology or whatever, but it ain’t politics.
Like the rest of the crazies, I was calling for impeachment since December 2005 (in comments) and December 2006 (in posts). I was smarter then.
Gotta share my weather. I’m at my house in New Paltz. It’s snowing the most beautiful fluffy clean white snow. It started around 9 and about 3″ have piled up, so it’s coming down at a fast pace. Everything looks just gorgeous. I love snow. (Grew up in Buffalo before global warming and snow was the best thing about my childhood.)
So if the dems voted on impeachment in the house- and lost - would they be in a stronger position than they are today?
Where New Paltz is?
Re the differences in the SCHIP bills, they were minor; same funding, same coverage of up to 4 million uninsured kids; tighter controls on adults and income cutoffs, but IIRC no basic changes in the structure.
The only way the American people would stand for their President to stand trial for war crimes, is if he is first impeached and removed in disgrace.
And I want to see that trial.
So you see, impeachment is not an option, it is a necessity.
Hi eCAHN — I’m in Albany and the snow is beautiful here too — also grew up in Buffalo!
The Republicans have proven by their votes that they don’t care about life. They are not pro-life at all.
The Republicans have proven by their votes that they don’t care about children.
The Republicans have proven by their votes that they endorse torture.
The Republicans have proven by their votes that they are war-mongerers.
The Republicans have proven by their votes that they do not support the rule of law.
They are not Republicans, they are Fascists. Plain and simple. Fascists.
The Democratic leadership seems determined to brand their short tenure as a do-nothing congress. By doing so, they give the Republics a strong campaign issue. Apparently, they desire a return to minority party status.
But I thought controls on adults and income levels were the primary Repub objections to the first bill. What now?
I admire your tenacity but you are dreaming.
85 miles north & west of NYC. Considered to be the mid-Hudson region. Best rock climbing area in the east.
http://www.mohonkpreserve.org/
But isn’t this the second time they have tried to reauthorize SCHIP?
Like, the program is expiring and going away without new funding?
Like, not an issue of new uninsured kids getting healthcare, but a bunch of kids currently in the program losing their healthcare?
A Bully for President
W: beating the Dem majority into a bully pulp, it.
What high school?
That is my (unrealistic) hope; that he is brought to trial for capital crimes under US Code: Title 18,2441.
“When will the Dems realize that unless they start hanging together, they’ll
never be able to win anythinghang separately?”This is more my line of thinking.
So what’s the head count for an override? We have the votes in one house but not the other iirc.
With mooks like me? You betcha!
-G
Exactly what my wife says. She is firmly of the “more trouble than it’s worth at this point”, point of view, regarding impeachment…
…but I just don’t buy it.
My favorite place on the mountain….this is where the blueberries grow (right where the photographer is standing)…
http://photos.igougo.com/pictu.....Cliff.html
Wow, beautiful, thx.
eCAHN– Ken-West, just outside the city line. And you?
This is the second veto of an SCHIP expansion bill; there is a continuing resolution funding the current program that expires soon; it will take several billions more just to keep the current program level.
NY. Not too far upstate.
Do the math, there isn’t time. Much less the fact that these gutless mofo’s in Washington wouldn’t dare. After all, we are in war.
Made my day, again.
So the bottom line, if this Veto holds, new funding needs to be found soon, or the program ends?
Bush thinks that if there are programs like SCHIP, what’s the point of being born wealthy. He’s gotta protect his base.
Thanks for answering 16, folks. I’ll go back to lurking.
Without impeachment, how do we prove the whole unitary executive thing is unconstitutional. Even if the next several executives deny the concept, I can’t see anything from preventing a future Bush trying again to establish the fact that the executive is above the law.
On the other hand, I’m not sure how it would come out if, in the course of impeachment, any of these critical constutional issues went before the present Supreme Court. A loss there, on any of the issues, would be catastrophic.
Breaking news…
Bush on the Mitchell Report: “I can only assure you, once again, that I have never used performance enhancing drugs and, for proof, I offer you my performance.”
Gorgeous.
Do you know that Marc Fried (a local character) wrote a book about the blueberry pickers of yore?
http://www.amazon.com/Hucklebe.....038;sr=1-1
in a Clint Eastwood kind of way? :~)
Yes.
A bully is a bully only as far as he’s allowed to get away with it.
I’m afraid the Dems are not putting up much of a fight to challenge Mr. Bush.
They seem content to coast their way into hoped for ‘08 victory, unconcerned about about what BushCo. is allowed to get away with in its last year.
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I found the old one a puzzling turn off: A strangely colored sky, lake, and fire image from the Twilight Zone, and an irritating and opaque quote I never understood, something to do with “dreaming” and “bedlam”. Was this supposed to be an “in joke” for English Lit. majors, or something? Good riddance! Out with the old, in with the new. I see the Twilight Zone lake persists, but in a subdued form, easy to ignore. Thankyou!
salut, Quebequois!
Sen.Grassley and Sen. Unicorn McHaggis Specter were the GOP crossover votes on contempt for Turblossom and Handjob Boy.
The final vote tally on the Senate Judiciary Committee’s contempt citation against Karl Rove and Joshua Bolten was 12-7. The two Republicans to cross over were Arlen Specter (R-PA) Chuck Grassley (R-IA).
-G
Bennett High School in the days when we won all the athletics and were best in academics too.
You mean, Jeb, then George P., maybe the twins. It all depends on which puppet Permanent Vice President Cheney prefers at the time.
Weerog learns about world events:
By my math (not to be confused with the math) it takes a couple months to impeach a president, like 2. Now I know that assumes an actual congress willing to protenct and defend the constitution… …but an investigation is not really needed for some charges. The president has essentially declared dictatorial powers, admitted to violating FISA on TV (I saw him do it, I could testify), has a secret system of gulags in remote portions of the world.
There are actually people with quite comprehensive lists of the Impeachable offenses.
Impeachment.. …Just do it.
link
Hi Pun.
Aww heck, why can’t I paste a link?
Edit offered for your consideration.
Pelosi gave an extensive interview to a blogger on this and related issues several months back — IIRC, general argument: it would be a distraction, we wouldn’t get anything else done; and it wouldn’t succeed.
As opposed to being distracted by W vetoes & not getting anything done? Hmmm, doesn’t seem like a wise choice to me.
Balrog–you have to write the word you want to be the highlighted link word first—-then highlight the word—-then click on the little chain icon—-then paste the link in the space.
-G
Actually, it appears there is a never ending supply of Republicans who were raised somewhere else, or took civics courses taught by the Boys From Brazil. I really didn’t previously understand that there was a group who wanted to take us back to the 19th century or earlier and a large portion of the populace who don’t have a clue what is in their interest.
oh scarecrow, i expect you’re going to think i’m nuts - again…. but i don’t think bushco’s veto frustrates most of the dems in congress - i think they love it because this is how they show that they are different from the republicans. the last thing they wanted is for all the republicans to vote for it and bush to sign the bill.
then they’d have to fight over something like the war.
(disclaimer - i don’t think this is true of all the dems in congress, just the majority)
Dick Durbin for Majority Leader and Barney Frank for Speaker - kick arse
The Boys from Brazil meet the Girls from Paraguay.
-G
Thank you Scarecrow.
Back bones are seldom used at the Demcratic Party.
Pelosi illegally “took impeachment off the table” to appease the right wing and show that the new Democratic leadership would act “responsibly” with their newly acquired majority. She has no such authority to take impeachment “off the table”.
And America doesn’t torture.
Why the hell did we bother to vote these Dems into the majority? The Repubs are still in control - we could have stayed home & watched a movie on election night ‘06.
I don’t have the exact quote but I remember a couple of weeks ago bush actually said something like;
“I’m not a lame duck, I am relevant and I prove it with my veto”
something like that
it’s an obsurd position though
impeachment of clinton took all of two months
that’s right, two months…pelosi is full of crap and I am fed the frig up with her
I’m going to bed now. Go upstairs and tell me goodnight.
Late to the post but $35 billion is 5 percent of the death MIC $696 billion budget passed by the House yesterday. 5 percent.
Why didn’t the Speaker et al combine the s-chip funding/passage with Cheney Bushs’ beloved death dollars?
Bush does it because Pelosi lets him. That’s why she’s as vicious and dangerous as he is. They’re a team.
here’s the blogger’s conference call i think scarecrow is referring to. mike stark asks your question - and you can even listen to it at the link. but here’s the part from mike (with his comments):
I also hate the fact that Dems in Congress are reduced to pointing fingers at each other and WE are reduced to calling the President names. Bullies don’t give a shit about being called names.
Bullies only respond to being bullied themselves. The President of the United States of America gave the order to torture prisoners in violation of U.S. law, the Geneva conventions, and any sense of morality our country stands for. And then he lied to us about it. Yes, impeachment may be off the table but then again, the bully doesn’t give a shit about impeachment-he’s not scared of that.
There is, however, one thing Bush is afraid of-he knows how truly monstrous his crimes are. Are there any leaders out there willing to arrest George Bush and put him on trail for crimes against humanity? I don’t see the current crop of Dem candidates (save for possibly Edwards) capable of it? Al Gore? Yes, probably, definitely.
But I’m just waiting for such a leader to appear.
this is off topic but I kind of enlightening
I was under the impression the republicans were trying to get hillary the nomination because they think she is beatable
I believe I am wrong about that;
rush limbaugh was PUNSIHING hillary today and was giving TONS of credit to obama
I don’t see the logic. If the Dems had an effective mechanism for overwhelming Bush/Republicans in the Senate, they’d use it to push through more of their agenda and/or force Republicans to vote against it. It would position them well for next November. The Dem image is taking a beating from their inability to do that, and your argument says, that’s what they want. Sure, some Dems may agree with the Bush agenda, but I’m not convnced that’s true for the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party.
Durbin….stirrin’ it up….yeah!!:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/.....mar-tapes/
There is a new thread ready, in fact, more than one ready. Ignore the trailer and Proceed at your own risk. If we never see you again, thanks for coming by.
Goodnight Gumby, thanks .
Selise, my thanks also.
Pelosi is wrong, at this point in time, I believe enough repugs would vote for impeachement. And she’s wrong because the American people elected her to stop the war, and get rid of the criminals. I guess she doesn’t want to go…
i didn’t think you’d agree.
but here’s the thing - which is consistent with why the dems don’t seem to fight for anything - if good legislation can be gotten with a slim majority of dems in congress then they won’t have their argument for needing a big sweep in 2008 and the public won’t be so pissed off and motivated to throw the Rs out (or so they think). the dems (not all) are holding our country hostage - same story on the war and on impeachment.
i just can’t think of any other explanation (other than that they really agree policy-wise with the Rs).
am not saying this is a good or wise strategy - but if you read again speaker pelosi’s answers to mike above, this is her explanation for impeachment. why can’t it also explain other actions?
Thanks Greg.
At this point I’m almost certain this sad, pathetic little Hitler will not leave the White House willingly, and our sad, pathetic “opposition party” won’t do anything to stop him.
McConnell challenger:
http://vetvoice.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=246#1636
you’re welcome.
i really recommend listening to it - intentions come through much clearer.
imo, it’s hard to hear - not what i want to be true. but we’re committed to being part of the reality based community, so i think we have to give consideration to even unpleasant possibilities.
You need to distinguish between the logic and the realities. The Democrats in Congress have this idea that people will be madder at the Republicans than at them for the failure of the Congress to accomplish anything. So in their minds every failure is really a success.
This might actually be defensible if the Democrats were willing to fight on any of these issues or if they made the Republican pay a price for their obstruction either by going to the country everyday and slamming the Republicans for being unpatriotic putting their partisan ahead of the country or by making the Republicans mount real filibusters even holding the Congress in session over Christmas.
Glenn Greenwald had a piece up today that goes along with this. Democrats claim to be strong when all the headlines talk about how they have caved, surrenders, and given in to Bush. The failure in logic is not ours but that of the Democrats in Congress.
Weerog learns about world events.
Woohoo, your link! And Weerog is completely adorable.
Thanks. He is pointing at the Iraq-Syria border, strangely enough. Not posed.
cute overdose!!!
thank you, just what i needed to cheer me up and give me hope for the future. wonderful picture, wonderful child.
I will thanks Selise.
The WeeRog is an astute geographer, and a heck of a cute kid.
There is a new post by Tula: http://firedoglake.com/2007/12.....abor-dept/
If you have not signed on for the ImpeachBush.Org petition, here is the link: link
Congress cannot and will not exert effective oversight. Jane had had a post yesterday that expressed this well. Ed Gillespe now in the White House is coordinating Bush’s strategy and understand the equation well.
All of the analysis of activity in the federal courts and Congress to try to check Bush is interesting, teribly relevant, important and with an administration that had any respect for the law, it would have impact.
This is an Administration that believes it has the imperatives of a despot, and they will continue to act like one until Bush is removed. Unfortunately, it’s going to take the calendar to do this.
What are real estate prices in Canada like?
He’s been doing that for months … so she’ll win the nomination.
not much in the
liberal msm
on the veto
heh…