Apparently Rep. Tancredo (R-nativist lunatic and Republican presidential candidate) thinks he wasn’t qualified to be a soldier in Vietnam, but he is qualified to be Commander in Chief now.
Buzzflash quotes an article in the Rocky Mountain News: Tancredo was given protected status once his student deferment ran out because, he said, he’d been treated for panic attacks, anxiety, and depression in high school.
OK, I’m a liberal, so I think it’s great Tom Tancredo acknowledges getting treatment for what he claims ailed him back in the day, even if it does suggest that he thinks that the bar is set higher for being a soldier than it is for being the man who sends soldiers off to die (and certainly it’d be hard to argue that hasn’t been true these past seven years).
Here’s what I do have a problem with.
PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) is an increasing problem for our returning soldiers.
As the United States nears the two-year mark in its military presence in Iraq still fighting a violent insurgency, it is also coming to grips with one of the products of war at home: a new generation of veterans, some of them scarred in ways seen and unseen. While military hospitals mend the physical wounds, the VA is attempting to focus its massive health and benefits bureaucracy on the long-term needs of combat veterans after they leave military service. Some suffer from wounds of flesh and bone, others of emotions and psyche.
These injured and disabled men and women represent the most grievously wounded group of returning combat veterans since the Vietnam War, which officially ended in 1975. Of more than 5 million veterans treated at VA facilities last year, from counseling centers like this one to big hospitals, 48,733 were from the fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Many of the most common wounds aren’t seen until soldiers return home. Post-traumatic stress disorder, or PTSD, is an often-debilitating mental condition that can produce a range of unwanted emotional responses to the trauma of combat. It can emerge weeks, months or years later. If left untreated, it can severely affect the lives not only of veterans, but their families as well.
Of the 244,054 veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan already discharged from service, 12,422 have been in VA counseling centers for readjustment problems and symptoms associated with PTSD. Comparisons to past wars are difficult because emotional problems were often ignored or written off as "combat fatigue" or "shell shock." PTSD wasn’t even an official diagnosis, accepted by the medical profession, until after Vietnam.
There is greater recognition of the mental-health consequences of combat now, and much research has been done in the past 25 years. The VA has a program that attempts to address them and supports extensive research. Harrison is one of 50 veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars hired by the VA as counselors for their fellow veterans.
‘It takes you back there’
Post-traumatic stress was defined in 1980, partly based on the experiences of soldiers and victims of war. It produces a wide range of symptoms in men and women who have experienced a traumatic event that provoked intense fear, helplessness or horror.
The events are sometimes re-experienced later through intrusive memories, nightmares, hallucinations or flashbacks, usually triggered by anything that symbolizes or resembles the trauma. Troubled sleep, irritability, anger, poor concentration, hypervigilance and exaggerated responses are often symptoms.
Individuals may feel depression, detachment or estrangement, guilt, intense anxiety and panic, and other negative emotions.
Well, our representatives in congress assembled passed a bill to help those soldiers.
The Survivors’ and Dependents’ Educational Assistance Program Extension (H.R. 6314) was intended to, among other things, provide "grants for homeless veterans; treatment and rehabilitation for seriously mentally ill veterans"
I think we can all agree on that, can’t we?
Well, remarkably, most of the House did agree. 393 Representatives voted to support H.R. 6314. 39 didn’t trouble to vote.
One of those 39 was Tom Tancredo.
With all due respect to Rep. Tancredo (that’s a lovely elastic phrase, don’t you think?), if he knows from personal experience that high school can, for some people, be too much to deal with without medical help, he should (as a supporter of the troops) be willing to offer that same help to people who’ve lost limbs and watched their friends die in yet another war he supports from a distance.
Unless, of course, his commitment to the soldiers is on the same level as his willingness to put himself on the line for the war.
Again.
Related posts:
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- FDL Book Salon Welcomes Dahr Jamail, The Will to Resist: Soldiers Who Refuse to Fight in Iraq and Afghanistan
- Costs of Iraq, Afghanistan Wars Proving Unsustainable
- 2,266 Veterans Died in 2008 Because They were Uninsured; Vastly More Than Combat Deaths





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Aloha, Julia!
Hey there.
Hi, Julia.
Is this Late Nite?
Right.
Hiya Julia.
I have PTSD too but I am much better than I used to be.
Hey Julia. I say we should give Congress’s health care to the DoD and the VA to manage. Just like they do the soldiers’ care.
Ten years after Nam, 50% reported experiencing some symptoms of PTSD, today, 36% of Iraqi Freedom soldiers are reportedly experiencing the same, what do we do? We send them back for more… Repeatedly…
sucks, doesn’t it?
I really hate to think about anyone incurring it on our behalf and not getting treated to save a little money.
hey.
They just found this slip of paper slipped under the door of the office of the House Clerk . . .
Please excuse Tommy from the vote on giving assistance to seriously mentally ill veterans. His doctor saw one of his speeches on the Brown Menace(tm) and wanted Tommy to come in for a checkup on how he was handling anxiety these days.
Tommy’s Mother
and, you know, if we were willing as one of the largest clients in the world to insist on collective bargaining, I bet we could.
Julia – would you like me to edit the title so it shows Late Nite? I would be very happy to do so to help out.
Yikes.
Please. I haven’t learned all the conventions yet.
Good. I hoped things hadn’t changed that much…
Heh, finally some push back from the frontline troops…
http://www.armytimes.com/news/…..brothers3/
Our group blog http://www.youthinkleft.com/ is back in business, but i am not doing much blogging until after exams. I have one recent post, but so do a few other kids.
Evenin’ all !
Hiya Cassie !!!
“Tancredo was given protected status once his student deferment ran out because, he said, he’d been treated for panic attacks, anxiety, and depression in high school.”
I really know nothing about how these things worked, but was a condition that resulted in being “given protected status” so as to preclude one from being drafted, also necessarily something that would prohibit one from voluntarily enlisting? In any branch of the service?
Julia and pups – the title has been fixed. Everyone can refresh to see.
Hiya Petro!
How’s life in the Lone Star State ?
Life is full or projects and exams, but I will have free time in a little past a week.
Tom Tancredo is a merciless bastard. I’m EvilDrPuma, and I approve this message.
Well, if you ever feel overwhelmed and I’m not around to tell ya, remember that there’s nothing life can bring you that you can’t handle and grow from !
LOL !!!
EDP is in da House !
Hi everyone. Tancredo is nuts. But EDP said it better than I could ;-)
What a story — and to come out in the Army Times, to boot.
I don’t know that I’d call it “pushback” though. It sounds more like the perfect storm of snafu. Troops who knew they were medically mentally unfit forced their commanders to recognize what kind of a mess they were in. The article doesn’t come right out and say it, but the one who REALLY screwed up is the captain.
Interesting that Tancredo had a problem being fit enough to serve. I had a RICH boyfriend in high school who had the same problem. Unfit to serve, only it was kidney stones.
After we got back together many years later, he didn’t remember a thing about his kidney problems.
Suzanne, I hope you saw the positive comments directed toward you at the other place.
Thank you. You are my people.
Petrocelli! How’s tricks, guy?!
Time to do the bedtime stuff. I hope I have time to come back tomorrow.
Good night, Cassie.
g’nite cassie
((((( Loo Hoo )))))
… just taking a break from writing all day on my notebook to chat with all of you …never mind !!! *g*Personally, I don’t have a problem when people with mental health issues or personal convictions about killing people do what they need to do to stay out of the military. However, when they turn out to be war-mongering assholes who have no compunction about sending others to war or bankrupting the country to support a futile, dangerous, and illegal occupation – well that does put a different complexion on things.
am glad you graced us with your presence, pet *g*
Agreed.
And YGM.
If Tom Tancredo had fought in Vietnam he might have been killed and he wouldn’t be the leader of the Immigrant Wars now.
Viva Tancredo.
-G
Thanks. I’ll try to remember.
Hi all. More CIA stuff attempting to break at Kos, shades of Iran-Contra:
CIA Torture Jet wrecks with 4 Tons of COCAINE
http://www.dailykos.com/story/…..933/420107
PTSD effects not just Vets, but their family, their offspring, their communities. It is a HUGE unfunded mandate. Thanks for bringing the subject up once again here, Julia.
We need to find ways so that Vets returning to their stateside assignments don’t have to go underground when they know they’re being wrenched around psychologically. The military is supposed to be working on ways to deal with this, but – other than a few demonstration programs – it is a sham.
The support system for discharged soldiers undergoing PTSD is probably underfunded by a factor of three to four. Add this to W’s war crimes, though no US president has aver dealt with this rationally.
Hey Suzanne:
You were runing this place for a few nights weren’t you? Did the posts an’ all? Can I still vote for my favorite protest song/video? Somebody else nominated it. It’s Phil Ochs “I Ain’t Marchin Anymore.” I haven’t been able to pop in before bedtime the last few nights.
Oops.
((((( Suz )))))
I was having problems logging onto FDL all this week, but not other blogs … seems to have been sorted out now.
videos are still open for submission – Eureka Springs will be hosting We Fight Back part two tonight.
The Whitehouses private stock has been lost.
Get the Columbian President on the phone stat.
-G
Well, well, well. Not that I’m surprised. the US has an interesting habit of having wars and other adventures in countries where there are lots of good drugs.
Petro, It’d GSD under a new no de puter.
Howdy.
-G
Suz, I wish I could stick around for part deux tonight — last night was great. Good luck to all entrants later tonight.
That photo of Stenly and Nan with the previous post could almost be the “logo” for the More and Better Democrats idea at Blue America. That is just priceless. I hope to be seeing that all over the netroots over the next year.
Yeah. I had a case where an employee was suffereing from PTSD. Judge thought he was fakin’ so he wouldn’t have to work. People just don’t understand. Guys like Tancredo are scumbags who only help perpetuate that idea – that people with PTSD aren’t really tryin’.
By the way, if anyone thought I was going overboard nicknaming Dana Petrino “DAD,” does her response about the Cuban Missile Crisis not demonstrate that I was right?
Hey Buddy … how’s it goin’, eh ?
Hmmm. If you scroll down through the post, you’ll find a mention of Narco News. I stumbled across an interview with this lady, Catherine Austin Fitts, a few years ago on KPFK.. Her tale is a doozy, – drug running CIA baddies, c*t*bank laundering international narco dollars. It’s worth the trip.
I don’t wanna submit – hey that sounds like a good video – i wanna vote for something that was already submitted. Can I do that? Will you be my proxy person? I’ll be in bed by then.
EdwardTeller,
Do you know the answer to my question at 19 above?
Nicely put, Julia. Thanks for the sensitivity with which you handled this issue tonight. It’s not that he asked for help or that he got help — Lord knows that was much harder in high school when Tom went than now, given the efforts we’ve made to remove the stigma of mental health, its care, and the needs of the mentally ill.
No, Congressman Tancredo, you are not disqualified from the Presidency because of your high school mental illness and the deferment from Vietnam it earned you. You are disqualified from the Presidency because you won’t extend to America’s fighting forces and veterans the same benefits you availed yourself of in high school. For shame, sir, for shame.
BFL — DAD = dumb ass Dana?
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwyrGwM4a7M
The only person I can see having an excuse for not voting is Gillmor of Ohio, who died in September.
Tancredo apparently has an “immigrants rape children” campaign ad out
http://www.blognetnews.com/gre…..&d=10
..which is especially interesting given his unrelevanting and ongoing support for Halliburton no-bid funding… since Halliburton is now officially the rape company.
Dumb As Dogshit
Doing fine.
Speaking of Vets, McCain has an ad up in NH and he’s made up like Ru Paul and the lighting is so dim the left side of his face in in a complete shadow to hide his disfigurement.
Kinda creepy.
-G
That works too.
Beerfart, the voting will begin friday nite with the winners.
Being a twenty year vet under the Volunteer regime, yes, it should stop you from being accepted, however, it has to be volunteered or the Recruiter should’ve ferreted it out… Many can and do slip through…
What is it with that jowly thing he has – has it always been there?
The Repugs are quite an assortment of nuts, eh ?
… anyone seen darkblack ?!! *g*
Also Russia ended their agreements with NATO. So, if Chimpy pushes hard, Putin can start a massive military build-up to meet the threat.
-G
Oh goodie. My wife lets me stay up late on fridays.
Fern, he had some serious skin cancer and they carved the left side of his face up really badly. I think it has returned or he’s growing a Quatto-like twin or something.
-G
What ? When did Putin end the NATO agreements ?
I think not getting treatment for cognitive issues is as wrong as not getting treatment for any other medical issue – no-one thinks you should have to tough it out if you have, say, diabetes, and there are equally real physical dysfunctions involved, in most cases.
Which is why it creeps me out so badly that someone who portrays themselves as a troop supporter would be comfortable with not supporting them in this.
Purina’s hunka hunka burnin Brit hubby is old enough to be her dad. Dana was a granny before she was 35.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_Perino
Instead of saving her warm, loving caress for a good ‘ol American soldier her age, returning from fighting the people of Iraq who brought down the Twin Towers , Dana Pre-natal gives herself to a Union-Jackoff.
Dana Purinachow hates our troops!
serious spew!
General Hayden is as nutty as a fruitcake.
Don’t trust him, don’t believe him.
-G
I wonder if any of our current soldiers in war zones have been sent despite having anxiety/depression/panic attacks? I’d bet there are, and I wonder why Tancredo did nothing to help them also avoid the stress of a combat zone?
bonkers @76 — 707!
Yes, there are… Quite a few… The Docs will medicate and certify them fit for duty…
neurophius,
I had friends who dropped out of HS to join the USMC, and friends who pulled any old thing in the book to keep from being drafted. Either way, among my friends, there was no highj honor or stigma, because nobody believed the Viet Cong were going to invade the USA.
I went in when I got drunk after a friend was killed in Vietnam in late 1965. I sent my draft board my student deferment card, saying ‘go ahead and draft me – I’m pissed!’ When I sobered up, I sent them another letter asking for my deferment card back. They got the first letter, but somehow couldn’t find the second one. My draft notice came soon afterward.
Petro,
Here’s the link on the Russian withdrawel.
AJ
-G
What I have heard is that they have been putting them on antidepressants and sending them back.
I have no link to give you on that.
Hi all. More CIA stuff attempting to break at Kos, shades of Iran-Contra:
CIA Torture Jet wrecks with 4 Tons of COCAINE
Sounds like another incident of what Hopsicker, over at madcowmorningnews.com, has been onto for a long time….
gonna go over and check.
Not even gonna touch that one.
I would bet dollars to donuts that there are some.
By the way, with the discussion of the importance of treating mental illness – and this is getting off topic – that’s even true of kids. We grown ups assume that kids are happy-go-lucky and the onl;y problems they have are inconsequential. But they cvan be big deals to the kid. I mean to the point of depression. Plus some kids are just that type where they bget depressed. Bottom line is Tancredo is such an asshole for not standing up for what he knows – from personal experience – is right.
http://english.aljazeera.net/N…..01F79D.htm
neuro, and others — I have no hard data, or links, just anecdotal evidence from a friend of mine. Her son is just back from his 15 months in Iraq, and she says he has definitely changed. She can’t put her finger on it, but says he doesn’t talk with her much anymore like he used to. Very sad.
Thanks G … more $$$ for the military/industrial complex …
yep – Hopsicker has several stories on the CIA plane with the cocaine (and maybe some heroin) – he’s been out in front of this stuff for at least a couple of years:
http://www.madcowprod.com/
I don’t think mental illness of kids is off-topic at all, Tancredo was a high-schooler (a kid!) when he did or did not experience such problems. I have sympathy for him if he did and hope he got the right treatment. Otoh, I feel only anger that despite such awareness he does not advocate for those who, like him, need or needed help. He’s a fucking hypocrite and he should be called on it.
nite
yawly’all…Tomorrow, is the big story gonna be that Britney missed a court-ordered deposition?
Perpetual war means perpetual profits. People have been sounding the alarm to stop these death-lovers for many many years. Few seem to ever listen.
http://warisaracket.com/
nite jayt
Probably not here ;)
I’m still waiting for her to pull a Sharon Stone “Basic Instinct” move in the courtroom.
That really gets on my nerves. i hate how people – even educated people – down here say “y’all.” Makes ‘em all sound like goobers. NHope my kids don’t grow up sayin’ it.
She is only 18 years younger..Liz is 31 years younger than Dennis.
Lawd knows she’s been practisin’ … *g*
goobers are pretty well-versed in beerfarts as well y’all.
… and your *cough* point is ?!! *g*
Dog help me, but when you said that, all I could think of was Sara Taylor.
I say “y’all” way up here in NoVA — of course, my mom grew up in NC. Probably where I got it.
It’s been great as usual, y’all tell RBG I said Howdy …
G’ nite !
Well at least her C-section and “tummy tuck” scar should be well healed by now.
Hi Newt !
g’night Petro :-)
true enuff.
Hey petro.
Go ahead and install Leopard, but fb me first, with some final notes.
But we already know that Dennis hates our troops.
ChimayCiao LL ! *g*Sir, Yes Sir … getting right on it, Sir ! *g*
*poof*
ET,
I have a friend whose husband ran one of those veterans’ counselling centers in Albuquerque, and later in Anchorage. Would you remember someone named Udell?
Something is wrong with a man who is no longer in the service who wears his uniform. Or is he in the service? KO said he didn’t need to wear it and I believe Keith.
Oh you did not just say that. I gotta go get one now. Chimay is one of my all-time favorite beverages.
I am not sure..but as the GF said about the 18 year difference between Jeri (and the twins) and Fred…18 years? what is the big deal.
Chimay is just divine…
Actually, he’s still in the service, hence, still authorized to wear it, yet, since he’s the chief spook he doesn’t have to… Personally, I think it’s all those stars he can flout… ;-)
Hey Newt, I FB’ed you.
Bonkers, where are you and do you get WhiteCap and BlueCap too ? Send one of each to LL … subliminally of course … *g*
The generals just need to make sure that they don’t wear all their medals when they visit boosh. king george don’t take kindly to the peons having more do-dah’s on their uniforms than his costume du-jour has.
… puts the “spirit” back in spirituality … *g*
It’s kinda cold up here, so am dipping into the Single Malt …
And, of course, the lump in the pants…
Hey Suz!
They look more and more like the Communist Party every day.
I’m surprised he doesn’t give himself a bunch of medals and start wearing a uniform. How about one of those big generalissimo dictator hats too?…. and big gold epaulets?
*Spew* … dammit Newt … that was good Whiskey … *g*
and Ghaddafi-style sunglasses.
All 6 of those trappist ales are divine. While in France I am hoping to duplicate this guy’s adventure to find the elusive 7th…
http://current.newsweek.com/bu…..beers.html
Since Dana “Dee Dee” Peroni is such a cheerleader for the Invasion and Occupation of Iraq, you know the people who brought down the Twin Towers, perhaps she could have saved her pretty self for one of our fine young men in uniform who’s “fighting them over there so we don’t have to here,” as she says often.
Wouldn’t that be the all-American, apple pie thing for miss KillKillKill to do to support our troops? I’m sure there are boatloads of Marines that would be proud to have Ms. Purina on his arm. But nooooo…she married a much older British gentleman instead. Oh well, not-Jenna’s still up for grabs for one of our troops, isn’t she?
hey newton
Not-Jenna had better make sure her guy has a good job, otherwise she might have to “support” him.
This is late night.
I am going to say something vulgar.
I think that General Hayden’s dick is really, really tiny. Teeny tiny. Hence
the billboard on his chest.
Bet that is why boosh told ‘general moustache (that guy in pack-ass-tan)’ to take off his uniform. bet he had it sent to his costumers to make an ‘murkin version.
bonkers, sadly no — not-Jenna is engaged
and a white horse too.. I think Ghaddafi liked to ride in on one
Mary, I hope you did not just disclose classified information…
Mary McC, I heart you ;-)
Dang, the home of beer get’s no love, Deutschland… There are 2,200 burgs in Germany, with 2,300 breweries registered… Hmmm… No love…!
aww. geee.
LOL !!!
Hiya Mary !
CT, if you’ve had Trappist Brew, it should come as no surprise …
Hey P!
Love those too CTutt! Gonna be living in Strasbourg, right over the border from Deutschland. France makes shitty beer…but great wines. But those Trappist Brews are a world unto themselves.
If memory serves correctly, you’re in T.O. eh? If so, speaking beer, I was introduced to one of my other all-time favorites while working in TO – La Fin du Monde
http://www.unibroue.com/products/fin.cfm
It’s not easy to find in the States, so I’m jealous of your easy access. Canada: Looking Better Every Day.
Thanks to Petro I’ve been exposed to Leffe and then Chimay. Are there any others I should try?
Dear God … don’t remind me about Europe … what great food, wines, cheeses, …
Dood, I’ve had brews throughout the Benelux region, I’m partial to the German Alts, Bocks, Doppelbocks… :P
Yeah, but our Socialized Health Care sucks ! /s *g*
We have some premium Micro Breweries in Toronto.
All the Trappist ones. I haven’t had Westy but my fav among the others is Chimay White Cap.
G’night all…have fun with the next round of protest songs at Late Late Night :-)
lol
Yes, I know a doctor here who has “Little Man Syndrome.”
We all laughed when he drove to work in a bright yellow Hummer.
Night LoudounLib. Sleep tight.
Oh yea. I’ve spent a good deal of time in Germany, where my ancestors came from, and I wonder if it’s a case of so many brewers that it’s hard to find the really good ones. The sheer Quantity gets in the way of finding the Quality. I’ve had good ones there, but few that really knocked my socks off like Chimay or some North American microbrews (oh man, some of my relatives would disown me if they knew I said that).
Just one person’s limited experience…
I agree the French are lousy brewers… I prefer the German White wines of the Mosul, but, I like the French Red wines best!
This next comment should give our boys in Echelon a good laugh.
General Hayden is hung like a Tic-tac.
-G
Read the story in my link @129. Lists all 7 in the first paragraph. Orval and La Trappe are fairly easy to find.
But yes, the alts and bocks, LOL. I’ve tried to prepare my daughter for stinky cheese.
Won’t that be the “Little Little Man Syndrome”?
margot, those little man syndrome types are usually pretty easy to determine. talk about over-compensating (eyes rolling)
ex #2 drives a big
penisSUV is all i’m saying…I am NOT going to pop one of those in my mouth.
Hi All,
We’ve had beer in almost every beer-worthy European country, and have decided that Great Lakes Brewing Company (Cleveland, Ohio) has the best Christmas Ale and Dortmunder Gold beer in North America, and maybe Europe. Talk amongst yourselves…
Chris
707 !!!
Oh yes. Little in stature, little in quite a few other areas.
Suzanne, lol;)
There you go once again with stuff I can’t disagree with.
Hey Christine,
I have never visited Europe, and of course would love to go. But now, I have my eye on San Miguel Allende, in Mexico. The walled gardens and the layout of the city look beautiful.
If you live in Northern Cal try to get your hands on a pinot called Row Eleven. Yummmmmmm.
Oddly enough, have some in the fridge right now…their Porter. Saw it at the specialty shop and was intrigued. It’s pretty good, but I guess I’ll have to try those others! Tis the season to be sloshed, la la la…
Go Girl! Travel is mind expanding…
I don’t know if it’s still there, but there used to be a bar across from my dorm in the east village which only served monk beer. It was righteous beer, and I’m not a beer person.
Thx, Mary. I’ll keep an eye out!
Anchor-Steam Christmas Ale will always be my favorite. *sigh*
Sierra Nevada Pale Ale is all the rage up here on the mt.
Where are you Hmmm?
Of course we are lucky to have local bars with GLBC on tap, with seasonal brews. The thing I like the most is their trucks run on recycled vegtable oil, and it is said that dogs chase them!
I suppose the women here know this…this isn’t something a lot of men think about, but my better half says the biggest…ummm….you know…she ever saw was on the smallest man she ever…ummm….you know…in her single days. So you never know I guess.
She also said he wasn’t very good though either, so our society’s obsession with size is mostly a male fascination it seems, within reason I suppose. Jeezus, what the hell am I talking about…need sleep….
I look forward to trying the Alsatian specialty wines, they’re known for their gewurtzraminers, rieslings, pinots, and I can’t remember what else. Oregon has some very good pinots so it will be cool to compare (and plenty of good micros – my favorite is the Rogue Hazelnut Brown).
Re xmas beers: maybe mid90’s, in Baltimore, I scored a large (~96 oz) Anchor Christmas that was nutmeggy and hoppy and perfect! I have it other years and it was good, but never like that.
It’s popular here too, must be all the Cali transplants… ;-)
Mr. CE loves Pale Ale — he says that not everyone is into this hoppy stuff, but he loves it.
LOL Eureka, great tastebuds think alike, or something like that.
I’m in scenic Oakland. On the sofa.
I had to quit drinking cause it gave me migraines. Prolly better that way cause I am a table top dancer. It is my New Orleans roots.
oh that’s fantastic! I’ll definitely try more GLBC knowing that. If they care that much for their environment, you gott think they go the extra mile in the beer making as well.
I like Oakland. My daughter live in Berkeley on University. I am in Sac for some reason. Would love to come back but can’t afford to right now.
Scenic? Bwhahaha… sorry, but, Bwhahaha… *g*
I thought I recognized you from somewhere!
Late Late Nite is up
Alsatian—isn’t Lou Dobbs worried about them stealing the southwest?
-G
We were in Alsace this past September. We loved all the wines, and drove through the vineyards. I LOVE this part of France, and esp. Gewurztraminer wines. We stayed in a lovely hotel in Eguisheim. Mr. CE loves the Dopff Irion Tokay Pinot Gris. This is the most Alsatian of all wines.
I was born in Fairfield. Raised in Vacaville for a while and SF-North Beach a bit. Always plan to move back to the area one of these days. Maybe even scenic Oakland! Life keeps getting in the way though…
Surely after all this time I don’t need to spell out my snarks…
That said, I would reply to both Mary and CT: Oakland is rather underrated. For example, Mountain View Cemetary is excellent. Piedmont Avenue. Rockridge. Etc.
We get to live there for a year!!!
now, why didn’t I think of that when I got orders to ‘nam?
just another one of those stupid, hate america, liberals, that’s me.
panic attacks. so simple, so sublime.
plenty of panic at Dao Tieng, tommy. Plenty