Comments on: Thomas Friedman: Carny http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/12/thomas-friedman-carny/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 17 Feb 2012 07:20:08 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: cosmosis http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/12/thomas-friedman-carny/#comment-1144859 cosmosis Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:43:53 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/12/thomas-friedman-carny/#comment-1144859 <p>The one thing worse than Friedman’s bullshit, is when other people take his bullshit as some kind of insightful brilliance. I’m looking at you, Charlie Rose.</p> The one thing worse than Friedman’s bullshit, is when other people take his bullshit as some kind of insightful brilliance. I’m looking at you, Charlie Rose.

]]> By: SoCali http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/12/thomas-friedman-carny/#comment-1144705 SoCali Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:35:39 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/12/thomas-friedman-carny/#comment-1144705 <p>MikeinDC, Exactly! There was no “framing” the NIE. There is and was no military nuclear program. He is lucky his American readers are so stupid. The neocons pushed this just like they pushed WMD. Friedman writes pure propaganda. The rest of the world gets it.<br /> I am sure the “experts” were baffled at how the U.S. government could produce/publish what amounts to political propaganda. What NIE would the U.S. government like them to read? It is not so bad– in relative terms– that the 2005 NIE was so wrong only that this NIE is 180degrees different, which begs the obvious question, is the 2003 NIE that stated that Iraq has a military nuclear program right or wrong? There is no way to know… which may be the point for these guys.<br /> Unfortunately are entire corporate media is thoroughly tainted. There is no other way to account for the warped view of the world shared by Americans. Until an effort is made to clean up the media of people like Friedman and Cohen and Brooks, the neocons will have their wars.</p> MikeinDC, Exactly! There was no “framing” the NIE. There is and was no military nuclear program. He is lucky his American readers are so stupid. The neocons pushed this just like they pushed WMD. Friedman writes pure propaganda. The rest of the world gets it.
I am sure the “experts” were baffled at how the U.S. government could produce/publish what amounts to political propaganda. What NIE would the U.S. government like them to read? It is not so bad– in relative terms– that the 2005 NIE was so wrong only that this NIE is 180degrees different, which begs the obvious question, is the 2003 NIE that stated that Iraq has a military nuclear program right or wrong? There is no way to know… which may be the point for these guys.
Unfortunately are entire corporate media is thoroughly tainted. There is no other way to account for the warped view of the world shared by Americans. Until an effort is made to clean up the media of people like Friedman and Cohen and Brooks, the neocons will have their wars.

]]> By: MikeinDC http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/12/thomas-friedman-carny/#comment-1144684 MikeinDC Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:21:22 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/12/thomas-friedman-carny/#comment-1144684 <p>The part that really bugged me this morning was this:</p> <p><em>“I’ve been at a security conference in the tiny Gulf state of Bahrain, attended by defense officials and analysts from all over the world, and all the buzz has been about the latest U.S. National Intelligence Estimate on Iran. It has left every Arab and European expert I’ve spoken to baffled — not in its conclusions, <strong>but by why those conclusions were framed in a way that is sure to reduce America’s leverage to negotiate with Tehran</strong>.”</em></p> <p>They were framed in a way to make sure the Administration didn’t take us to war again under false pretences!</p> <p>And here is his CYA:</p> <p><em>“As I have said before, I’d rather see Iran go nuclear, and contain it, than have the Bush team start another Middle East war over this issue. “</em></p> <p>If that were true, you’d understand right away why the Intelligence Agencies did what they did!!!!</p> The part that really bugged me this morning was this:

“I’ve been at a security conference in the tiny Gulf state of Bahrain, attended by defense officials and analysts from all over the world, and all the buzz has been about the latest U.S. National Intelligence Estimate on Iran. It has left every Arab and European expert I’ve spoken to baffled — not in its conclusions, but by why those conclusions were framed in a way that is sure to reduce America’s leverage to negotiate with Tehran.”

They were framed in a way to make sure the Administration didn’t take us to war again under false pretences!

And here is his CYA:

“As I have said before, I’d rather see Iran go nuclear, and contain it, than have the Bush team start another Middle East war over this issue. “

If that were true, you’d understand right away why the Intelligence Agencies did what they did!!!!

]]> By: 13Martyrs http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/12/thomas-friedman-carny/#comment-1144634 13Martyrs Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:56:48 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/12/thomas-friedman-carny/#comment-1144634 <p>I can assure you that there are no Gulf Arabs who give a rat’s ass whether their neighbor grows poppies or anything else. But they do seem to be a bit upset about all that shootin’ going on in Iraq.</p> <p><a href="http://13martyrs.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://13martyrs.blogspot.com/</a></p> I can assure you that there are no Gulf Arabs who give a rat’s ass whether their neighbor grows poppies or anything else. But they do seem to be a bit upset about all that shootin’ going on in Iraq.

http://13martyrs.blogspot.com/

]]> By: SoCali http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/12/thomas-friedman-carny/#comment-1144599 SoCali Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:39:34 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/12/thomas-friedman-carny/#comment-1144599 <p>Like me, if it seemed something wasn’t quite right with Friedman’s common guy persona, it helps to read this: <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/billionaire-scion-tom-fri_b_26164.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....26164.html</a></p> <p>Friedman married into one of the wealthiest 100 families in America. He goes to their parties, chats up what is wrong with America, and then parrots their views in his columns. </p> <p>Brooks, Cohen, Friedman, quite the neocon spokespeople there. It is a sign of the times when the “liberal” paper of record hires a bevy of neocon spokespeople to blanket their pages, leads us into Iraq and makes loud noise about Iran, holds back critical wiretapping information until after the 2004 election, and pines for the good ole’ days in Latin America with tyrants and death squads taught at our very own School of the Americas.<br /> The NYT has been thumping their chest at Latin America lately. Did anybody see them apologize for their April 2002 editorial condoning the CIA back coup against a democratically elected Chavez? I missed it, all I have seen is more propaganda designed to pave the way for more CIA activities against Venezuela, Bolivia and Ecuador. </p> <p>It must be hard work fro Friedman to play common man and billionaire man day in and day out…</p> Like me, if it seemed something wasn’t quite right with Friedman’s common guy persona, it helps to read this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..26164.html

Friedman married into one of the wealthiest 100 families in America. He goes to their parties, chats up what is wrong with America, and then parrots their views in his columns.

Brooks, Cohen, Friedman, quite the neocon spokespeople there. It is a sign of the times when the “liberal” paper of record hires a bevy of neocon spokespeople to blanket their pages, leads us into Iraq and makes loud noise about Iran, holds back critical wiretapping information until after the 2004 election, and pines for the good ole’ days in Latin America with tyrants and death squads taught at our very own School of the Americas.
The NYT has been thumping their chest at Latin America lately. Did anybody see them apologize for their April 2002 editorial condoning the CIA back coup against a democratically elected Chavez? I missed it, all I have seen is more propaganda designed to pave the way for more CIA activities against Venezuela, Bolivia and Ecuador.

It must be hard work fro Friedman to play common man and billionaire man day in and day out…

]]> By: wigwam http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/12/thomas-friedman-carny/#comment-1144373 wigwam Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:33:56 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/12/thomas-friedman-carny/#comment-1144373 <p>The problem, Mr. Friedman, is that the police are protecting their own drug dealer on the other side of town.</p> The problem, Mr. Friedman, is that the police are protecting their own drug dealer on the other side of town.

]]> By: Mauimom http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/12/thomas-friedman-carny/#comment-1144296 Mauimom Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:40:15 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/12/thomas-friedman-carny/#comment-1144296 <p>I concur!! Selise, many props to you for your amazing work!</p> I concur!! Selise, many props to you for your amazing work!

]]> By: RickinSF http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/12/thomas-friedman-carny/#comment-1144291 RickinSF Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:32:23 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/12/thomas-friedman-carny/#comment-1144291 <p>Tom’s moustache just can’t conceal them jowls.</p> Tom’s moustache just can’t conceal them jowls.

]]> By: Waccamaw http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/12/thomas-friedman-carny/#comment-1144196 Waccamaw Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:17:09 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/12/thomas-friedman-carny/#comment-1144196 <p>bjns @ 40 -</p> <p>What scar was spewing this morning is *not* what I would classify as a “hoot”. :-( If you have to live next door to someone with that man’s level of depravity (sp?), you have my sincere condolences.</p> bjns @ 40 -

What scar was spewing this morning is *not* what I would classify as a “hoot”. :-( If you have to live next door to someone with that man’s level of depravity (sp?), you have my sincere condolences.

]]> By: bluejeansntshirt http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/12/thomas-friedman-carny/#comment-1144192 bluejeansntshirt Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:14:37 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/12/thomas-friedman-carny/#comment-1144192 <p>Going to see Leon on Fri. night in NYC.</p> Going to see Leon on Fri. night in NYC.

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