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		<title>By: amghru</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/12/there-is-no-demoratic-party-in-congress/#comment-1146378</link>
		<dc:creator>amghru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is exactly what I have been saying since 1996. It was at this point that I stopped voting for presidential candidates from either of the two major parties. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I had such high hopes for WJC and was so sorely disappointed that it was just business as usual. The only difference between the Dems and the Repugs is which way they back door us. The Dems atleast try to make us feel good about it. They give us KY jelly and flowers and tell us that they still respect us. the Repugs just give it to us dry.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The only way we are going to change the status quo is if we look at all the third party candidates as one guy collectively. If together they recieve 25% or so of the vote, then that my send a scare into the DNC and the RNC that if someone can come along and bring these dissenters together it will threaten their power base. These people in power now are all in the same club.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The most imprtant statement in your post is Divide &amp; Conquer. Works every time.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is exactly what I have been saying since 1996. It was at this point that I stopped voting for presidential candidates from either of the two major parties. </p>
<p>I had such high hopes for WJC and was so sorely disappointed that it was just business as usual. The only difference between the Dems and the Repugs is which way they back door us. The Dems atleast try to make us feel good about it. They give us KY jelly and flowers and tell us that they still respect us. the Repugs just give it to us dry.</p>
<p>The only way we are going to change the status quo is if we look at all the third party candidates as one guy collectively. If together they recieve 25% or so of the vote, then that my send a scare into the DNC and the RNC that if someone can come along and bring these dissenters together it will threaten their power base. These people in power now are all in the same club.</p>
<p>The most imprtant statement in your post is Divide &amp; Conquer. Works every time.</p>
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		<title>By: Praedor</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/12/there-is-no-demoratic-party-in-congress/#comment-1145864</link>
		<dc:creator>Praedor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Give me a break.  You give FAR too much credit to Pelosi.  She did NOT simply take impeachment off the table because she believes it is truly the right thing to do.  She did it because it is absolutely impossible for the Congress to conduct an impeachment investigation for crimes committed by Bush/Cheney without also implicating most of the Democrapic leadership.  They are ALL culpable in the most serious real crimes committed these last 7-10 years.  Torture is absolutely not a “viable” target of investigation because Pelosi and a host of other “leaders” in the Democrapic party were full-on in support of it.  They KNEW waterboarding was being used (among physical brutality) and said nothing.  They KNOW that it is absolutely illegal to use the classification system to hide/cover up illegal activity by the government or its agents, yet they remained silent and still honor the bogus and illegal “Top Secret” classification of the illegal acts.  They KNOW it is illegitimate use of the classification system to hide wrongdoing yet they remain silent.  They remain silent because they support all the crimes.  They remain silent because they are complicit.  Complicity is guilt.  They are GUILTY of all the same truly high crimes committed by Bush/Cheney and so &lt;i&gt;cannot&lt;/i&gt; investigate those crimes without implicating themselves.  THAT is why impeachment is off the table.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The ENTIRE government is corrupt, rogue, and peopled by nothing but war criminals.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give me a break.  You give FAR too much credit to Pelosi.  She did NOT simply take impeachment off the table because she believes it is truly the right thing to do.  She did it because it is absolutely impossible for the Congress to conduct an impeachment investigation for crimes committed by Bush/Cheney without also implicating most of the Democrapic leadership.  They are ALL culpable in the most serious real crimes committed these last 7-10 years.  Torture is absolutely not a “viable” target of investigation because Pelosi and a host of other “leaders” in the Democrapic party were full-on in support of it.  They KNEW waterboarding was being used (among physical brutality) and said nothing.  They KNOW that it is absolutely illegal to use the classification system to hide/cover up illegal activity by the government or its agents, yet they remained silent and still honor the bogus and illegal “Top Secret” classification of the illegal acts.  They KNOW it is illegitimate use of the classification system to hide wrongdoing yet they remain silent.  They remain silent because they support all the crimes.  They remain silent because they are complicit.  Complicity is guilt.  They are GUILTY of all the same truly high crimes committed by Bush/Cheney and so <i>cannot</i> investigate those crimes without implicating themselves.  THAT is why impeachment is off the table.  </p>
<p>The ENTIRE government is corrupt, rogue, and peopled by nothing but war criminals.</p>
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		<title>By: Praedor</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/12/there-is-no-demoratic-party-in-congress/#comment-1145846</link>
		<dc:creator>Praedor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No.  That excuse is what the “leadership” uses again and again and again in subtly different form.  There is no Democrapic party in Congress and what I feared would happen with the “crossover” former GOPers becoming Dems has come to pass:  they crossed over with all their GOP baggage including favoring the rich and corporations over all else, favoring military spending at the expense of everything else.  They became “Democraps” merely to get elected.  Their stripes are still the tiger stripes of a GOP tiger through and through.  The so-called leadership is also GOP in all but name.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is why I tear any and all donation seekers from the Democrapic party a new asshole when they call me to tell me how important it is for me to throw good money after bad.  There is NO DIFFERENCE between the GOP and the Democraps.  NONE except for the words that spoken by the Dems prior to their doing their usual of whatever Bush wants:  they talk big, they talk tough, but absolutely do not mean a single syllable.  They say what we want to hear and damn well expect and deserve to hear ONLY to garner votes or money, then they inevitably do the GOP thing.  Every. Single. Time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No more.  I’ve had it with these war criminals and felons.  I will NOT vote Democrapic in 2008.  Nope.  No money, no votes.  They are useless scum.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No.  That excuse is what the “leadership” uses again and again and again in subtly different form.  There is no Democrapic party in Congress and what I feared would happen with the “crossover” former GOPers becoming Dems has come to pass:  they crossed over with all their GOP baggage including favoring the rich and corporations over all else, favoring military spending at the expense of everything else.  They became “Democraps” merely to get elected.  Their stripes are still the tiger stripes of a GOP tiger through and through.  The so-called leadership is also GOP in all but name.</p>
<p>This is why I tear any and all donation seekers from the Democrapic party a new asshole when they call me to tell me how important it is for me to throw good money after bad.  There is NO DIFFERENCE between the GOP and the Democraps.  NONE except for the words that spoken by the Dems prior to their doing their usual of whatever Bush wants:  they talk big, they talk tough, but absolutely do not mean a single syllable.  They say what we want to hear and damn well expect and deserve to hear ONLY to garner votes or money, then they inevitably do the GOP thing.  Every. Single. Time.</p>
<p>No more.  I’ve had it with these war criminals and felons.  I will NOT vote Democrapic in 2008.  Nope.  No money, no votes.  They are useless scum.</p>
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		<title>By: dusty59</title>
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		<dc:creator>dusty59</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Democratic Majority: strong (like toilet paper) and completely flushable.&lt;br /&gt;
What a pisser.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Democratic Majority: strong (like toilet paper) and completely flushable.<br />
What a pisser.</p>
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		<title>By: ekunin</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/12/there-is-no-demoratic-party-in-congress/#comment-1145720</link>
		<dc:creator>ekunin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes, the people aren’t represented. No one is going to give them anything. Anything they get they must take. At present, they are unwilling to try. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One problem is a general uncertainty. One person says the sky is falling another that this, too, shall pass. By the time we learn which one is right it usually is too late to do anything.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A bigger problem is the people aren’t ready to decide public issues. We bemoan the faithlessness of our elected representatives, but we do not want to decide things they decide. Instead we involve ourselves with delusional thinking like Feingold and Dodd controling the Senate sometime soon. I don’t think better Democratic candidates in primaries is the answer because that deck is pretty well stacked. But who knows? Your guess is as good as mine.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the people aren’t represented. No one is going to give them anything. Anything they get they must take. At present, they are unwilling to try. </p>
<p>One problem is a general uncertainty. One person says the sky is falling another that this, too, shall pass. By the time we learn which one is right it usually is too late to do anything.</p>
<p>A bigger problem is the people aren’t ready to decide public issues. We bemoan the faithlessness of our elected representatives, but we do not want to decide things they decide. Instead we involve ourselves with delusional thinking like Feingold and Dodd controling the Senate sometime soon. I don’t think better Democratic candidates in primaries is the answer because that deck is pretty well stacked. But who knows? Your guess is as good as mine.</p>
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		<title>By: RevDeb</title>
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		<dc:creator>RevDeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I read both—Lewis because I had bought Conason and he premised his work on Lewis, at least to begin with.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read both—Lewis because I had bought Conason and he premised his work on Lewis, at least to begin with.</p>
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		<title>By: Mauimom</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/12/there-is-no-demoratic-party-in-congress/#comment-1145624</link>
		<dc:creator>Mauimom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I keep thinking of the Sinclair Lewis book, It Can’t Happen Here. Nightmares.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Have you read Joe Conason’s “It &lt;strong&gt;Can&lt;/strong&gt; Happen Here”?  Quite good.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I keep thinking of the Sinclair Lewis book, It Can’t Happen Here. Nightmares.</p>
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<p>Have you read Joe Conason’s “It <strong>Can</strong> Happen Here”?  Quite good.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/12/there-is-no-demoratic-party-in-congress/#comment-1145586</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Internet might help us to get closer to the Democracy we all thought we were living with. But, it still takes a lot of work to hold slime to their task.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Internet might help us to get closer to the Democracy we all thought we were living with. But, it still takes a lot of work to hold slime to their task.</p>
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		<title>By: MiMiCcS</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/12/there-is-no-demoratic-party-in-congress/#comment-1145545</link>
		<dc:creator>MiMiCcS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 06:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There is no Republican Party either.    &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My theory is that over the past 30 years with the end of the civil war between the elites, which was manifested by a series of assassinations and the Nixon coup, and the birth of the Trilateral Commission, we became a one party government, a soft mix of socialism-fascism w/democratic characteristics. This has been  transitioning to something a bit harsher and authoritarian since the neo-cons took control in the late 90’s.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Despite their control over the MSM it is becoming apparent the Emperor has no clothes.  The fact that we can see the cloak of fascism/socialism  probably means they are trying to dampen the shock in prepration for the New Order.   &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In this period, the Democratic and Republican party’s have simply been maintained to give us the illusion of a Democracy and a variation of the Divide and Rule tactic has proven useful to consolidate power.   In Iran, the Supreme leader and his council select those who may run for  President.  Our so called Democracy is no different.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hillary or Rudy, Obama or Huckabee, etc. No difference.   Paul and Kucinich are being held in reserve in case one group has a strong bias for one of the mainstream candidates and one of them may run as an independent .  The third party candidates are useful for manipulating the outcome.   Nader for GWB, Perot for Clinton, all the way back to 1912 and Perkins for Wilson.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The transition will be finalized during the next crisis, a number of our leaders and generals have said as much in a subtle fashion, it may be economic crisis(depression), war, or terror attack, or some mix, and then we become something else, but the illusion of a Democracy will be lost. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Glad people are waking up, but it’s a bit late.  Good luck.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no Republican Party either.    </p>
<p>My theory is that over the past 30 years with the end of the civil war between the elites, which was manifested by a series of assassinations and the Nixon coup, and the birth of the Trilateral Commission, we became a one party government, a soft mix of socialism-fascism w/democratic characteristics. This has been  transitioning to something a bit harsher and authoritarian since the neo-cons took control in the late 90’s.  </p>
<p>Despite their control over the MSM it is becoming apparent the Emperor has no clothes.  The fact that we can see the cloak of fascism/socialism  probably means they are trying to dampen the shock in prepration for the New Order.   </p>
<p>In this period, the Democratic and Republican party’s have simply been maintained to give us the illusion of a Democracy and a variation of the Divide and Rule tactic has proven useful to consolidate power.   In Iran, the Supreme leader and his council select those who may run for  President.  Our so called Democracy is no different.</p>
<p>Hillary or Rudy, Obama or Huckabee, etc. No difference.   Paul and Kucinich are being held in reserve in case one group has a strong bias for one of the mainstream candidates and one of them may run as an independent .  The third party candidates are useful for manipulating the outcome.   Nader for GWB, Perot for Clinton, all the way back to 1912 and Perkins for Wilson.</p>
<p>The transition will be finalized during the next crisis, a number of our leaders and generals have said as much in a subtle fashion, it may be economic crisis(depression), war, or terror attack, or some mix, and then we become something else, but the illusion of a Democracy will be lost. </p>
<p>Glad people are waking up, but it’s a bit late.  Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
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		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 06:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Absolutely.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Let me put this in very stark terms: there is no Democratic Party in Congress. There are, instead, a bare majority of Congressmen and Senators who have banded together in order to gather power, influence, and money. Which is fine, as far as it goes - except that they are not actually using any of the resources that they are gathering to benefit the groups and causes who worked to put them in power. At best they are operating under terms of enlightened self-interest, albeit a very small-minded version of it: they are keeping their geographical constituents as sweet as is necessary to ensure re-election. And the Republicans know all of this, and will use this knowledge to pass the bills that we feel the country needs to thrive. And all of this is why 2007 was such a horrible legislative year for the progressive movement - and why 2008 will be no better for them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I suspect that some will be distressed by the preceding paragraph. To those people, I offer the question:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What makes you think that anybody that matters, also cares?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have nothing to add to this. He’s absolutely right.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Chris Dodd for Majority Leader.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely.</p>
<blockquote><p>Let me put this in very stark terms: there is no Democratic Party in Congress. There are, instead, a bare majority of Congressmen and Senators who have banded together in order to gather power, influence, and money. Which is fine, as far as it goes &#8211; except that they are not actually using any of the resources that they are gathering to benefit the groups and causes who worked to put them in power. At best they are operating under terms of enlightened self-interest, albeit a very small-minded version of it: they are keeping their geographical constituents as sweet as is necessary to ensure re-election. And the Republicans know all of this, and will use this knowledge to pass the bills that we feel the country needs to thrive. And all of this is why 2007 was such a horrible legislative year for the progressive movement &#8211; and why 2008 will be no better for them.</p>
<p>I suspect that some will be distressed by the preceding paragraph. To those people, I offer the question:</p>
<p>What makes you think that anybody that matters, also cares?</p>
<p>I have nothing to add to this. He’s absolutely right.</p>
<p>Chris Dodd for Majority Leader.</p>
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