The WaPo’s "media critic" Howie Kurtz regularly takes a headlong dive into every right wing blog controversy hallucinated by Michelle Malkin. But he couldn’t be bothered to write about the Joe Klein FISA fiasco because…well, he’s a busy man.
The controversy first broke on November 21. But it took Kurtz more than two weeks to address it. And even then he didn’t write about it in the Post and he didn’t address it on CNN’s Reliable Sources. Instead, Kurtz simply included it as a footnote at the very end of a lengthy, five-page column. (Kurtz’s coverage was so well hidden that Greenwald told me he originally missed it, "even though I was actively looking for it.")
Kurtz admits he was late to the Klein story. "Beyond taking a few days off at the time, I am spending most of my time covering the coverage of the presidential campaign, which includes the time-consuming task of critiquing the candidates’ ads," he told me in an email. "Every four years at this time I am stretched somewhat thin because of the campaign. I work many, many hours and cannot cover everything."
What kind of a reportorial outrage does it take to get the Post off its tuffet? Well, now we know. The whole brotherhood of journalism is up in arms. Filthy bloggers:
[W]hat has awakened the slumbering lions from Len Downie to Adam Nagourney to Karen Tumulty is the thing that we journalists continue to best as our world crumbles around us: Play defense. In particular, rise up to defend one of our own — Washington Post reporter Perry Bacon Jr. — against a kind of personal attack, even though few if any of these people had much to say about the appalling journalistic lapse by Bacon’s editors (including Downie himself) that is really at root of the controversy.
What started it all was this: An odd piece on the ironically named JournalismProfessor.com by Boston University prof Chris Daly in response to an ongoing controversy over Bacon’s recent front-page piece in the Post, citing persistent rumors dogging the presidential campaign of Sen. Barack Obama of allegedly troubling links to the Muslim religion or culture. Daly is hardly unique in critizing the piece: an online Columbia Journalism Review article called it the single worst article of the 2008 campaign so far, and I and many other agree on that. That’s because the piece failed to clearly state that the rumors about Obama brought up in the article have been clearly debunked.
But Daly went way too far — with little more evidence than a hasty Google search, he attempted to argue that Bacon, who is 27 but has an impressive resume dating back to his undergraduate years at Yale, is too young to be on the presidential beat for a national newspaper. That’s ridiculous on its face: A lot of great political journalism has come from 20-somethings. (In a completely unrelated matter to great journalism, I myself was just 25 when I covered the very first "Super Tuesday" in the Deep South for the Birmingham News, so I can sympathize.) More importantly, I don’t even think Bacon is really the issue here; it’s his supposedly more sophisticated editors, all the way up the ladder to Downie, who helped shaped the assignment and guided it into paper.
It’s quite amazing that Downie has his knickers twisted up around his windpipe over a blog post that affected….oh, probably nobody, but the WaPo doesn’t want to mention the editorial failings that lead to a real journalistic outrage which reflects very badly on his own paper’s ability to fairly report the upcoming presidential race.
What’s that thing they say about first casting that beam out of your own eye?
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Jane!
It is hard to believe this canard is still singing. . .
The Wapoo. Useful for wiping on camping trips, not much else. That is after Froomkin’s column has been carefully removed.
-G
I believe Froomkin is strictly online so you don’t have to be that careful in your usage.
The Hacktacular one strikes again!
I better go get my pearls. They need clutching!
What happened to the thread on Hillary and Lieberman talking shit about video games?
There were some good posts on there, and Jane made some good points.
Whassup?
Yah, time off when a major story breaks, ostensibly in the wheelhouse of Kurtz, and he can’t be bothered. Either a lying pig or another lazy myopic villager like Klein.
Just thought of a good protest activity for Ghouliani appearances (Boo!). Anybody that might be picketing Rudi should just laugh hysterically for as long as he’s around. People hate being laughed at. It would obviously reference his extremely bizarre Meet the Russert spot last week, and doggonit, the world just needs more laughter.
Off to look for his sked…
Is this an “either or” situation? Methinks not.
bedlam @ 9
news @ 11
good idea, wdd, me too!
Good Lord! The Post is responsible for the outing of a covert CIA agent, which an op-ed columnist later blamed on Mr. Wilson, and they’re crying foul when they get called out for what is, at best, sloppy journalism? Check please.
That post is right here but I think the comments close automatically after a set period of time.
Let’s see we have a novice reporter (that we can’t call a novice) even when he writes a novice piece that passes the scrutiny of his non-novice editors and ends up on the WaPo’s front page.
Is it OK to call them all sloppy, lazy, and unprofessional or is accuracy considered a form of bias nowadays?
What, no diamonds…? Hey stranger…!
Since reality has a well know liberal bias I imagine it is.
Howie Annis Kurtz, gooper trophy husband, is too busy counting the political jokes on late night television and see which candidate benefits from the writers’ strike. And creating opportunities to run horrible anti clinton jokes
The Washington Post is the avatar of the Vaudeville Media.
Can’t wait to see them in line at the soup kitchen yelling to the guy next to him that the blogs stole their act.
-G
I’m the last one to give cover to the ComPost, but FWIW, Novack’s original column appeared in the Chicago Sun Times.
Jane, thanks for trying to hold Howie accountable.
Hi Ell, hi CT. The only diamonds I have are too small to clutch.
If I may channel Joseph Conrad:
“Mistah Kurtz, he dead (from the neck up).
I’m gonna develop a video game where you’re an Iranian trying to get to North Korea via Iraq. On the way, you have to shoot as many U.S. flag burners as possible with an AK-47. Oh, and the reward for making it to N.K. is a giant party where there’s a bonfire of Christmas trees and you get to do lines with Barack Obama.
Hilarity and J. Lie wouldn’t even know where to begin with that one.
LOL!
I have a couple carrots in the fridge
Thanks, Jane.
I find Howie SO revolting — doubly so now that he’s out on the airways preening about his book.
And all the TeeVee shows that welcome him. Barf.
John Dean is on KO!
don’t forget about those of us w/o cable tv. any info would be greatly appreciated!
Shorter John Dean: This is a lot more serious than Watergate.
Sen. Kit Bond (R-MO) compares waterboarding to swimming the backstroke. But it doesn’t matter anyway, because “it’s not being used.”
Legal advisor/brig. general at guantanamo testifying in Congress cannot give a yes or no answer as to whether waterboarding is torture
Keith O is really pounding the administration on CIA tapes and waterboarding
HA!
Rachel Maddow on KO now—a breath of sanity
testing from a treo.
thanks all!
That was the jist of it, I did like the Nixon reference that ‘…it’s not the crime, it’s the coverup!’ I’d certainly like to see de ja vu all over again… Hoist’em on their own petards… ;-)
I rarely get to hear Ed Schultz and I do think he’s an important voice for Liberalism, but the last couple of times I’ve heard Ed, he’s had Howie Kurtzie on. And, Ed was totally kissing his ass. It was disgusting. I guess Ed’s hoping for some good coverage out of Kurtzie.
Rachel: Bush is claiming the right to define all U.S. law as he sees fit—as to whether the administration has to follow it.
Rachel Maddow on Countdown:
EPU’d
Yep. Great piece, great thread.
Howie Putz.
Jane asks: “What kind of a reportorial outrage does it take to get the Post off its tuffet?” Its tuffet? Too much curds and whey spoon fed by Malkin and heer ilk.
Keith’s “Bushed” segment on forgotten Bush scandals:
Blackwater-gate;
Commutation-gate (Libby);
Gonzo-gate
anyone know keith’s email addy? i think he needs to hire hugh as his consultant on this one.
Studies show that controlling the choice of editor for 25 major newspapers is an excellent way to control the American media.
Keith reports that Dana Perino has discovered a reason why the White House can continue not commenting on the Libby story: the Wilsons filed a civil suit, and although it was dismissed, it is still on appeal.
1,693 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Hamsher and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
So another fake journalist for another corporate advertising sheet gets exposed for bein’ a right-wing shill and an intellectual molehill…yawn! I have long since decided that corporate print journalism is dead and the entire daily print journalism industry is nuthin but an echo chamber for media whores ta talk to each other…”it don’t mean nuthin and it’s inconsequential.” So I look forward to the day that good minds like Sister Hamsher and Brother Greenwald ken focus their considerable gifts entirely on advancin’news and analysis instead of wastin’ time remindin’ folks what utterly vacuous gasbags these folks like Kurtz are.
KEEP THE FAITH AND SPARE ME THE AWEFUL DETAILS OF THESE PATHETIC CREATURES EFFORTS!!
Bonkers@22; Okay. :o)
What happened to the thread?
countdown@msnbc.com and/or kolbermann@msnbc.com
If you want me to join you in recommending Hugh’s list to KO, just say so.
But, Norske, it is necessary to expose the messengers for what they are; WH stenographers and water carriers…
Yes, there is also somebody in South Florida who got arrested for paying a prostitute to take care of his Cuban missile crisis, which explains why she couldn’t talk about that either.
Keith reports that Dana Perino has discovered a reason why the White House can continue not commenting on the Libby story: the Wilsons filed a civil suit, and although it was dismissed, it is still on appeal.
that would be convicted felon, no-longer-working-for-the-government Scooter Libby that they have to protect?
Someone on KO says the Bushies used the 2006 “Military Commissions Law” to justify their torture. The joke is on Democrats who voted for it. The Republicans are laughing.
1,693 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen CTuttle and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Yes indeed and that’s what I was sayin’…I look forward to the day Jane and Glen et al ken spend all their time on important stuff that advances knowledge and understanding instead of wastin’ time on these inconsequential morons.
KEEP THE FAITH AND SPARE ME THE DETAILS!!
DaKine@13:
That’s not the post I was talking about. That went up yesterday. I’m talking about the one which Jane wrote today, the 12th, with the photo of Hillary standing beside Joe Lieberman, about which proximity, Jane and no small number of posters, had some un-complimentary things to say.
Also, it wasn’t up nearly long enough for the time limit to kick in.
But, the devil’s in the details… ;-)
speaking of Hugh’s list
digg it, too bad it doesn’t have that as a title but…
i don’t think the ko one works.
and i’d say yes, please – but i think it’s only fair we ask hugh first (especially as he appears to be here).
hey, hugh – do you mind if some of us email ko about your list?
If you do that.. ET’s progressivealaska has photos.
Eugene Robinson is funny. “Nothing to see here, move along.”
I blame it on the telecoms
done, thanks!
Feel free. The list is for everyone.
Don’t recall seeing a post like you describe, but as always, sometimes posts get put up prematurely which may be the case here. And if that is the case, it will return sooner or later.
And if not, oh well.
Worst Persons in the world
#3 Fred Thompson
#2 Mitt Romney
#1 BillO
OT but seriously the italics are out of control since the redesign. The majority of most FDL posts are in italics now it’s un-freakin-readable. Strunck and White ain’t happy.
My feeble memory would suggest the most recent post from Jane with a photo of Hillary and Joe is here:
http://firedoglake.com/2007/12…..ture-wars/
lol. best joke of the day.
I want to get to the part where they’re twisting slowly, slowly in the wind.
It’s taking years and years!
Dan Abrams on MSNBC again following Keith’s lead and headlining the destroyed CIA torture tapes and the White House coverup thereof.
Robert Novak: The Washington Post, “Mission to Niger,” 14 July 2003:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00874.html
if they’re talking about the destroyed torture tapes, is anyone reporting on hayden’s testimony before the closed senate and house intelligence committee hearings yesterday and today?
If one looks at the media, banking and education influence of the Rockefellers, gosh darn if they aren’t influential.
“We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the light of publicity during those years. But now the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supra-national sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.”
The Novak column was in the Post but I believe BooRadley is correct in that it most likely appeared in the Chicago paper first. IRC Novak is syndicated by the chicago paper so they most likely have first dibbs on his column. Or at least publish it the same day as papers like the WaPo0 and Union-Leader publish it.
I stand corrected: The Prince of Darkness is syndicated by the Chicago Sun-Times.
All right then.
At least Howie, unlike Mark Foley, cares that they be old enough to vote.
This is junior high school stuff: “My clique is better than your clique. My people can write Pulitzer stuff in high school or (gasp!) Yale, and yours can’t even spell “Crimson”, so lay off or I’ll have my big brother beat you up.” Howie sure is telling us how things work inside the Beltway.
RBG@65: That’s it, and where did you find it?
Because now, there is no “previous access” function on ANY of the current threads.
Is that true for you.
And, specifically, Jane; what is going on?
Because it looks like the thread was yanked. And I didn’t read every single post of the 138 that were put up before it was shut down, but I read a lot of them, and I didn’t seen any there were over any line that I’ve been aware of, on here.
If the thread was taken down, I think an explanation is owed to the readers here.
I went to the bottom of the FDL home page, clicked “Previous Entries” a couple times until I got back to Monday’s posts and there it was.
Unless I am going crazy, that post has been available since it first appeared on Monday.
RBG, the post I’m talking about didn’t go up until today. As of about two hours ago, it was the LEAD thread, for a while. And because it showed once again that Hillary doesn’t mind climbing into bed with Lieberman, it attracted quite a few people who commented rather negatively on them both, particularly, Clinton.
It did NOT die a natural death, I can tell you. It never made it to the “previous threads” section. It wasn’t there when I went looking for it, and when I checked some other threads the “previous” function at the bottom of the last post of each thread was also gone.
It had to be yanked, and Jane could solve this very quickly by telling us why.
The date on the post has been changed. As I said, it was the lead thread, just a couple of hours ago, and it damn sure wasn’t dated the 10th.
If it’s in the “previous” bin, as having been posted on the 10th, it was just put there today, which doesn’t fit, time-wise, anyway.
Do YOU have access to the “previous” button?
If the post I linked to above is the same one you saw earlier, it was posted on Monday, December 10th and had been available for over 48 hours.
I do have access to the previous button. I also can type “lieberman” in the search box in the upper right corner of the front page and see that post is #4 on the search results.
RBG, she originally posted it at HuffPost’s Off The Bus, and that WAS on the 10th, but when she put it up on here, it was today, the 12th. Which is why, earlier today, it was the top-of-the-page thread. If it had just progressed naturally, it would have been accessed at the top, or near the top of the “previous” bin. Which, as you say, it was not, having been moved to back of the line, at the 10th.
Also, it was rocking right along when it was prematurely yanked, at 138 posts.
You got any ideas on that?
Perhaps you saw it here for the first time today, but it was first posted at FDL on the 10th and has been available ever since then.
I do not have access to “previous”, although I did until I started asking questions about the thread disappearing so abruptly.
And again, why was it summarily pulled?
It definitely did not run out of posters.
It was not pulled. It has been available since it first posted on the 10th.
RBG@81; Again, it was the TOP thread just a few hours ago. I also remember that it did NOT have the date of the 10th on it. It was dated the 12th, which makes sense if today was the first day it was up on HERE, as I believe it was, since I check in on the site every day.
It has NOT been the lead thread for three days. I’ve never seen that happen here, and I doubt you have, either.
And it WAS pulled, at 138 posts, while it was either the top thread, or the next to the top thread. I’ve never seen that happen before, either.
I really can’t explain what you saw. I can say, with all confidence, that the post I linked to in my earlier comment first appeared on the front page on Monday and has been available ever since. Comments on that thread, like all others at FDL, closed approximately 24 hours after it was posted.
The hell it wasn’t pulled. It was at the top, and dated the 12th, with 138 people having posted, and still posting, and it disappeared. And it did NOT disappear into the top of the “previous” bin, where people could easily find it; it went 3 days deep into the bin, where people would be unlikely to locate it and keep posting on it.
If it was up on Monday, then why, 72 hours later, was it still the top thread when I first logged on here this afternoon?
And it never got to the bottom of the page as a matter of being pushed there by subsequent threads. It was removed.
BTW, the silence is getting deafening.
http://firedoglake.com/2007/12…..ture-wars/
It may be worth noting that all the comments on that post are dated Monday, December 10th.
Dana? DAD.
The devil’s Jesus’s brother. so i hear.
RBG, do you understand that for a period of time this afternoon, that thread was at the top of the FDL page?
Now it may be that Jane decided to put it back up for some reason, but TODAY, a few hours ago, it was the LEAD thread on FDL.
And, as I’ve said, it did NOT work it’s way down the page to the “previous” bin. I was very interested in it because of the reaction of some of the readers here to it and I would have followed it down. I couldn’t do that, because it was removed, instead of progressing off the page. Also, if it had done that, it would have been at the top of the “previous” bin.
Where it NEVER was.
And which “previous” access I lost, when I started talking about the thread disappearing so abruptly.
I know Jane is reading this. If she wants, she can come on and explain it. But she’ll have to explain why the thread never was allowed to play out in the normal progression, and also, why comments were closed at 138, while the thread was still at, or near, the top of the page here.
Feel free to wait for Jane to comment, but as site administrator for FDL, I honestly do not know what you are talking about.
The post first appeared on Monday, December 10th, all comments are from that day, and comments closed on that thread yesterday.
How it appeared at the top of your screen today is a complete mystery to me.
tanbark,
seems to me that there was some glitch and an old post got popped to the top. Nothing nefarious. Deep breath please. I know it’s easy to get worked up because there is so much injustice. This, however, appears to be an innocent technical glitch.
Sometimes when you open fdl from your browser you get an old view from your cache, unless you hit the refresh button. That’s probably what happened here.
Thanks, Ooze. I’ll buy it. :o)