A parade of witnesses appeared this morning before the Senate Judiciary Committee Gitmo hearing, broadcast on C-span, to explain how it ever got this far.
Seton Hall Law Professor Mark Denbeaux got things rolling by shooting down the myth of all those dangerous guys in Guantanamo captured on the battlefield by American soldiers: all one of him. Of the 759 Gitmo prisoners, nearly all were brought in by other governments or were unlucky enough to be sold into slavery captured by bounty hunters.
Denbeaux explained the size of the bounty was large enough to provide for the financial security of an entire village. Troublesome neighbor? Problem solved. And hey, when Jane Harman's new House Unamerican Activities Committee gets going, you too can help round up your very own neighborhood terrorists.
But the prisoners at Gitmo, surely we believe Bush that these are dangerous people who will go right back into battle against American troops if we release them, right? Well, of the 30 that the administration keeps talking about, Denbeaux explained that 5 went to London to make a video about Gitmo; another 5 are the hapless Chinese Uighurs; and---my personal favorite---two of them were never in Guantanamo to begin with. Only 3 of them actually returned to battle.
In the next panel retired Rear Admiral John Hutson, now President of the Franklin Pierce Law Center, said he initially favored military commissions but now he's changed his mind. And for people who say we can't close Gitmo, he declares: "We can close it, let's not pretend we can't. We need to make a change. The time is long since past. We ought to demonstrate to the world what the United States stands for.”
Last Wednesday in oral arguments for Boumediene v. Bush several Supreme Court justices expressed dismay that all the wonderful Bush administration programs and procedures to protect the rights of Gitmo prisoners had one unfortunate outcome: "It's been six years."
Remind me again why we are giving up our civil liberties and that whole Beacon of Freedom thing?
snowboarding analogy--h/t LS
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Hi EG
Egregious!
EG!
hey, eg! nice post!
c-span’s new (and wonderful) archive (currently in beta testing equivalent mode) will have the video webcast of this hearing post soon (this will be the link)
I have this sickening feeling we aren’t going to get any of this stuff straightened out any time soon.
hey egregious.
is waterboarding like surfing but for little kids?
We need to get used to feeling sick as the scandals we do not know about start to filter out. This is only the tip of the iceberg.
E woman!
Bravo…a picture is worth a million words…what have they done and continue to do in our name?…angels weep
Good evening sports fans. Fantastic twolf photoshop, don’t you think?
I was surprised at the amount of times that phrase was mentioned during the Oral Arguments… Kennedy seems to be disinclined to allow the MCA charade to continue…
I left the lake yesterday to follow the Led Zeppelin reunion.
I’ve now watched most of the show on YouTube, from various audience member’s cell phone video feeds.
Now the truck is here to take me away. But I saw Led Zeppelin play again, 30 years after I saw them last.
I am Nerd!
egregious and twolf !!
the outstreched arms are christ-like….sad irony, and may i say surge EDWARDS!!!
Hey Teddy.
We need to be sending Congress barf bags to represent how sick what America has become makes us.
I always imagine what a hard-ass I’ll be when they round me up. And then I hold the highest of admiration for the bloggers who really get the word out. Journalism has become a semi-dangerous business. Right here in the US of A.
speaking of edwards, this is from media matters:
O’Reilly suggested celebrities’ support for Edwards is akin to that of serial killers Dahmer and Gacy
http://mediamatters.org/items/.....?src=other
On The O’Reilly Factor, Bill O’Reilly noted that Harry Belafonte had endorsed John Edwards and commented: “Oh, I guess that means Edwards has a lock on the Fidel Castro vote.” After noting that actors Danny Glover and Tim Robbins also support Edwards, O’Reilly stated: “[W]hy don’t you get Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy. … Look, these people are so kooky.
Kennedy seems to be disinclined to allow the MCA charade to continue…
Well that’s the best news I’ve had all day - it’s now “The Kennedy Court”, imo - he’s the swing vote.
wooT, Balrog! How’s Babyrog?
Daddybrain did the same thing at work with the Zep Youtubes. Now he thinks he’s gonna hook it up to the big screen and watch tonight…
Thanks OC, I’ll keep putting up water theme posts as long as you’re around. Can’t promise they’ll all be about the Coast Guard tho.
Excellent! Twolf and LS, hearty congrats to you both! Waterboarding sounding like a nice vacation sport is right on! Snowboard forever!!!
Good evening everyone!
This could be the tipping point, but then again, I have hoped that before. But with Christmas comming, I’ve been extra good and only asked Santa for one teensy thing…
CT you’ve got FB mail.
s’ok, eg…
;-)
Sandra is sooo envious…! ;-)
Un-empty barf bags if you please.
OReally is demented,he lives in a Palace on Long Island like Rushbutt,and the other vednal liars…his aquaintance with reality is has diminished to the times he wipes his ass after a big smelly crap in the am
Wonderful post and the graphic should be spread far and wide. The waterboard is the new cross.
I think the hearing is on cspan 2 now.
Nerd? Not at all, Balrog. You were part of the smokin’ cool kids.
This whole Led Zeppelin thing is a trip backwards!
It’s interesting Orally said those folks had endorsed Edwards. Actually, all of them you named were campaigning for him the past two weeks in Iowa. These are not passive endorsers.
true dat…that could have been Jesus
Perhaps we should return to calling it water-torture?
freshly fed news on the news ticker
I think we should. Waterboarding sounds too much like surfing.
This is Excellent!!!! MUST DO!!
I’m good with simply calling it drowning. They are, on purpose, drowning another human being. Usually they stop in time. If not, ooops, collateral damage.
To quote Prairie, we can do better.
I ‘Heart’ Rachel! 8-)
I’d seen it on mediabistro’s site…
Waterboarding sounds so much nicer than a controlled drowning - which is the reality of what it is.
Bushco will try to call it gargle practice.
Everything’s just fine, thanks, I feel great, don’t you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww
Hi Folks…
So true,
How about being really so far from humanity that the very idea sounds like a foreign language….
I appreciated the onthread explanation the other day, it isn’t “simulated” drowning, it is *actual* drowning. Not the make believe kind.
Wish this whole damn administration was just a Grimm fairy tale, we could close the book now and get some sleep.
seems like it would take an address on the outside and a stamp too… maybe glue shut the bag part of it so it doesn’t gum up the postal machines…
i can get my hands on a dump truck. on who’s door do we dump ‘em? ;~)
thank you
and when it gets out of control? bye-bye.
omg, like i thought waterboarding was like baptism!
LS!
It was your comment this morning that waterboarding sounded like snowboarding that generated this graphic and post.
Take a bow please?
egregious- let me add to the kudos- thank you for writing this post, and for conveying information we all need to know, but might miss amidst the general insanity.
It is. They both say “Meet your maker…”
controlled choking
*standing on chair clapping for LS’s idea and EG’s running with it for the post*
Ah, brevity:
You summon, here I am *g*
Terrific posting and graphic, Eg and TWolf.
“Bring US[sick] your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free” indeed.
Between the Rethugs’ stand for torture and the Rethugs’ stand against immigrants in favor of outsourcing, it’s a wonder anybody wants to come here anymore.
And the incestuous media-BushCo dance plays on….today’s chorus courtesy BFFs Mrs. Greenspan and Bushie’s second wife.
707!!
Zap the PRAM!
I just have to say that I think the photo is so effective... in making the point that “water boarding” is a misnomer. And I like the suggestion above that we start calling it “water torture” again. Why adopt their language? It’s just there to confuse and make things sound innocuous.
sbin/fsck -fy
Or another in-person delivery like we did the rubber-stamp message. Barf bags with a message written on the front.
maddow on mediabistro
Fixed.
mkinitramfs ;’(
I think these would do the job getting the message to congress that we are “sick of it”.
notice how Dana Peroxide has chimpies smirk?
I don’t think they can breathe so freely when they’re being waterboarded.
rm
How about cruel inhumane indefensible act upon another person which serves no purpose other than to harm on all levels….
egregious! this post is absolutely fabulous!
What a detailed report of the hearing,
and it’s oh so nicely written. :)
and where did you get that crappy graphic bwwahahaha!
That twolf fellow has got talent.
Sure is an Iconic Image from these dark times.
yeah, but she’ll neither confirm nor deny certain things ;)
Bow/curtsy… Okay that’s done…onwards….nevermind me…thanks for listening…We’ve got work to do!!! *g*
I’ll throw a few euros in the hat for the barf bags. Great idea! More graphic then the Rubber Stamps (which I liked too).
-rf * nnoooooo!!!!!1111
I’m with Elliott! And yes, Digg!
somebody should smack that smirk off her and the decider
what? what? **looks around dimly aware not getting it**
/me feels like i should drop taht one but…
why r they smirk’n ?
This post has only 15 digs after being up this long? Come on pups, lets drive this post to the top of Digg’s news rankings so many more folks can see it.
‘xactly.
*poof*
the geeks appear to be discussing this post in some computer language ;)
i have not determined which dialect yet.
George Bush, the master marketer, sold us a watered down constitution and then, for bad measure, drowned it in the tub.
What would you say if you had the master salesman himself in a room with you?
rob
That graphic is classic. That is one of the best I’ve ever seen.
Meanwhile some of us geeks are watching sitemeter with interest. It’s gonna be one of the highest traffic days ever, outside of the Libby trial.
that is what is soooooooooo sick to me…they smirk through the horrors!sick sick sicko
Did you notice today her hair looked cleaner. She was done up more.
Hi Kathryn!
tw3k and I are “unixtards”
It’s the language that underlies OS X…
Yes. It gave me the chills as soon as I saw it.
Suz, I think they’re Unixtards.
aaahhh. hmmmm. **frustrated**
Unixbards.
They make poetry out of ones and oooo’s.
tokyo rose has nothing on her….laugh and smile and deliver your steeming turds day in and day out
Sheeeeeeit. The world moves faster than i can run. Am taking html courses online. now another language?? **whew, shakes head**
of course Ms. Shit for brains has no idea who Tokyo Rose is
Dana: Tokyo Rose - didn’t she do all those exercise videos?
Spew warning please.
I think twk3 and newt suffer from LOLCAT envy. srsly. they not know buckets. tkxbai.
unix koans :)
Good One!
roflwtf pmsl
we have duplicate problem. srsly.
hahahahahahaha
707!!!
lol, i’ve always thought them vids werz soft p0rn anyways!
Off to bed. I’ve not been sleepign well lately, so it’s best to take advantage of the sleepy feeling when it arrives.
How does one acquire a couple million barf bags to send to DC?
Anyone work for an airline?
Aloha, MM!
you need to promise that they will be reaid compliant ;)
We all have to find a million each?
realid*
coffee bags
We all have to find a million each?
nope. just figured a million was a good number to start with.
nah, I think its the graphic that makes it work.
Only on your own submission, it appears that way to you as the submittee… a little quirk of the system…
start swiping from our airline flights…along with blanket, pretzles…
Just when you think the government has exhausted its capability to go even lower, we have a return to the good old anti-commie days. If Harman’s bill passes there will be committees formed around the country to seek out and investigate local “terrorists,” with pressure to actually find some. But I’m sure only really, really guilty people will be fingered.
How very Soviet, never thought this could happen to us.
I hear Scooter is looking for work, and this may pay real well.