A parade of witnesses appeared this morning before the Senate Judiciary Committee Gitmo hearing, broadcast on C-span, to explain how it ever got this far.
Seton Hall Law Professor Mark Denbeaux got things rolling by shooting down the myth of all those dangerous guys in Guantanamo captured on the battlefield by American soldiers: all one of him. Of the 759 Gitmo prisoners, nearly all were brought in by other governments or were unlucky enough to be sold into slavery captured by bounty hunters.
Denbeaux explained the size of the bounty was large enough to provide for the financial security of an entire village. Troublesome neighbor? Problem solved. And hey, when Jane Harman’s new House Unamerican Activities Committee gets going, you too can help round up your very own neighborhood terrorists.
But the prisoners at Gitmo, surely we believe Bush that these are dangerous people who will go right back into battle against American troops if we release them, right? Well, of the 30 that the administration keeps talking about, Denbeaux explained that 5 went to London to make a video about Gitmo; another 5 are the hapless Chinese Uighurs; and—my personal favorite—two of them were never in Guantanamo to begin with. Only 3 of them actually returned to battle.
In the next panel retired Rear Admiral John Hutson, now President of the Franklin Pierce Law Center, said he initially favored military commissions but now he’s changed his mind. And for people who say we can’t close Gitmo, he declares: "We can close it, let’s not pretend we can’t. We need to make a change. The time is long since past. We ought to demonstrate to the world what the United States stands for.”
Last Wednesday in oral arguments for Boumediene v. Bush several Supreme Court justices expressed dismay that all the wonderful Bush administration programs and procedures to protect the rights of Gitmo prisoners had one unfortunate outcome: "It’s been six years."
Remind me again why we are giving up our civil liberties and that whole Beacon of Freedom thing?
snowboarding analogy–h/t LS
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Hi EG
Egregious!
EG!
hey, eg! nice post!
c-span’s new (and wonderful) archive (currently in beta testing equivalent mode) will have the video webcast of this hearing post soon (this will be the link)
I have this sickening feeling we aren’t going to get any of this stuff straightened out any time soon.
hey egregious.
is waterboarding like surfing but for little kids?
We need to get used to feeling sick as the scandals we do not know about start to filter out. This is only the tip of the iceberg.
E woman!
Bravo…a picture is worth a million words…what have they done and continue to do in our name?…angels weep
Good evening sports fans. Fantastic twolf photoshop, don’t you think?
I was surprised at the amount of times that phrase was mentioned during the Oral Arguments… Kennedy seems to be disinclined to allow the MCA charade to continue…
I left the lake yesterday to follow the Led Zeppelin reunion.
I’ve now watched most of the show on YouTube, from various audience member’s cell phone video feeds.
Now the truck is here to take me away. But I saw Led Zeppelin play again, 30 years after I saw them last.
I am Nerd!
egregious and twolf !!
the outstreched arms are christ-like….sad irony, and may i say surge EDWARDS!!!
Hey Teddy.
We need to be sending Congress barf bags to represent how sick what America has become makes us.
I always imagine what a hard-ass I’ll be when they round me up. And then I hold the highest of admiration for the bloggers who really get the word out. Journalism has become a semi-dangerous business. Right here in the US of A.
speaking of edwards, this is from media matters:
O’Reilly suggested celebrities’ support for Edwards is akin to that of serial killers Dahmer and Gacy
http://mediamatters.org/items/…..?src=other
On The O’Reilly Factor, Bill O’Reilly noted that Harry Belafonte had endorsed John Edwards and commented: “Oh, I guess that means Edwards has a lock on the Fidel Castro vote.” After noting that actors Danny Glover and Tim Robbins also support Edwards, O’Reilly stated: “[W]hy don’t you get Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy. … Look, these people are so kooky.
Kennedy seems to be disinclined to allow the MCA charade to continue…
Well that’s the best news I’ve had all day – it’s now “The Kennedy Court”, imo – he’s the swing vote.
wooT, Balrog! How’s Babyrog?
Daddybrain did the same thing at work with the Zep Youtubes. Now he thinks he’s gonna hook it up to the big screen and watch tonight…
Thanks OC, I’ll keep putting up water theme posts as long as you’re around. Can’t promise they’ll all be about the Coast Guard tho.
Excellent! Twolf and LS, hearty congrats to you both! Waterboarding sounding like a nice vacation sport is right on! Snowboard forever!!!
Good evening everyone!
This could be the tipping point, but then again, I have hoped that before. But with Christmas comming, I’ve been extra good and only asked Santa for one teensy thing…
CT you’ve got FB mail.
s’ok, eg…
;-)
Sandra is sooo envious…! ;-)
Un-empty barf bags if you please.
OReally is demented,he lives in a Palace on Long Island like Rushbutt,and the other vednal liars…his aquaintance with reality is has diminished to the times he wipes his ass after a big smelly crap in the am
Wonderful post and the graphic should be spread far and wide. The waterboard is the new cross.
I think the hearing is on cspan 2 now.
Nerd? Not at all, Balrog. You were part of the smokin’ cool kids.
This whole Led Zeppelin thing is a trip backwards!
It’s interesting Orally said those folks had endorsed Edwards. Actually, all of them you named were campaigning for him the past two weeks in Iowa. These are not passive endorsers.
true dat…that could have been Jesus
Perhaps we should return to calling it water-torture?
freshly fed news on the news ticker
I think we should. Waterboarding sounds too much like surfing.
This is Excellent!!!! MUST DO!!
I’m good with simply calling it drowning. They are, on purpose, drowning another human being. Usually they stop in time. If not, ooops, collateral damage.
To quote Prairie, we can do better.
I ‘Heart’ Rachel! 8-)
I’d seen it on mediabistro’s site…
Waterboarding sounds so much nicer than a controlled drowning – which is the reality of what it is.
Bushco will try to call it gargle practice.
Everything’s just fine, thanks, I feel great, don’t you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww
Hi Folks…
So true,
How about being really so far from humanity that the very idea sounds like a foreign language….
I appreciated the onthread explanation the other day, it isn’t “simulated” drowning, it is *actual* drowning. Not the make believe kind.
Wish this whole damn administration was just a Grimm fairy tale, we could close the book now and get some sleep.
seems like it would take an address on the outside and a stamp too… maybe glue shut the bag part of it so it doesn’t gum up the postal machines…
i can get my hands on a dump truck. on who’s door do we dump ‘em? ;~)
thank you
and when it gets out of control? bye-bye.
omg, like i thought waterboarding was like baptism!
LS!
It was your comment this morning that waterboarding sounded like snowboarding that generated this graphic and post.
Take a bow please?
egregious- let me add to the kudos- thank you for writing this post, and for conveying information we all need to know, but might miss amidst the general insanity.
It is. They both say “Meet your maker…”
controlled choking
*standing on chair clapping for LS’s idea and EG’s running with it for the post*
Ah, brevity:
You summon, here I am *g*
Terrific posting and graphic, Eg and TWolf.
“Bring US[sick] your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free” indeed.
Between the Rethugs’ stand for torture and the Rethugs’ stand against immigrants in favor of outsourcing, it’s a wonder anybody wants to come here anymore.
And the incestuous media-BushCo dance plays on….today’s chorus courtesy BFFs Mrs. Greenspan and Bushie’s second wife.
707!!
Zap the PRAM!
I just have to say that I think the photo is so effective... in making the point that “water boarding” is a misnomer. And I like the suggestion above that we start calling it “water torture” again. Why adopt their language? It’s just there to confuse and make things sound innocuous.
sbin/fsck -fy
Or another in-person delivery like we did the rubber-stamp message. Barf bags with a message written on the front.
maddow on mediabistro
Fixed.
mkinitramfs ;’(
I think these would do the job getting the message to congress that we are “sick of it”.
notice how Dana Peroxide has chimpies smirk?
I don’t think they can breathe so freely when they’re being waterboarded.
rm
How about cruel inhumane indefensible act upon another person which serves no purpose other than to harm on all levels….
egregious! this post is absolutely fabulous!
What a detailed report of the hearing,
and it’s oh so nicely written. :)
and where did you get that crappy graphic bwwahahaha!
That twolf fellow has got talent.
Sure is an Iconic Image from these dark times.
yeah, but she’ll neither confirm nor deny certain things ;)
Bow/curtsy… Okay that’s done…onwards….nevermind me…thanks for listening…We’ve got work to do!!! *g*
I’ll throw a few euros in the hat for the barf bags. Great idea! More graphic then the Rubber Stamps (which I liked too).
-rf * nnoooooo!!!!!1111
I’m with Elliott! And yes, Digg!
somebody should smack that smirk off her and the decider
what? what? **looks around dimly aware not getting it**
/me feels like i should drop taht one but…
why r they smirk’n ?
This post has only 15 digs after being up this long? Come on pups, lets drive this post to the top of Digg’s news rankings so many more folks can see it.
‘xactly.
*poof*
the geeks appear to be discussing this post in some computer language ;)
i have not determined which dialect yet.
George Bush, the master marketer, sold us a watered down constitution and then, for bad measure, drowned it in the tub.
What would you say if you had the master salesman himself in a room with you?
rob
That graphic is classic. That is one of the best I’ve ever seen.
Meanwhile some of us geeks are watching sitemeter with interest. It’s gonna be one of the highest traffic days ever, outside of the Libby trial.
that is what is soooooooooo sick to me…they smirk through the horrors!sick sick sicko
Did you notice today her hair looked cleaner. She was done up more.
Hi Kathryn!
tw3k and I are “unixtards”
It’s the language that underlies OS X…
Yes. It gave me the chills as soon as I saw it.
Suz, I think they’re Unixtards.
aaahhh. hmmmm. **frustrated**
Unixbards.
They make poetry out of ones and oooo’s.
tokyo rose has nothing on her….laugh and smile and deliver your steeming turds day in and day out
Sheeeeeeit. The world moves faster than i can run. Am taking html courses online. now another language?? **whew, shakes head**
of course Ms. Shit for brains has no idea who Tokyo Rose is
Dana: Tokyo Rose – didn’t she do all those exercise videos?
Spew warning please.
I think twk3 and newt suffer from LOLCAT envy. srsly. they not know buckets. tkxbai.
unix koans :)
Good One!
roflwtf pmsl
we have duplicate problem. srsly.
hahahahahahaha
707!!!
lol, i’ve always thought them vids werz soft p0rn anyways!
Off to bed. I’ve not been sleepign well lately, so it’s best to take advantage of the sleepy feeling when it arrives.
How does one acquire a couple million barf bags to send to DC?
Anyone work for an airline?
Aloha, MM!
you need to promise that they will be reaid compliant ;)
We all have to find a million each?
realid*
coffee bags
We all have to find a million each?
nope. just figured a million was a good number to start with.
nah, I think its the graphic that makes it work.
Only on your own submission, it appears that way to you as the submittee… a little quirk of the system…
start swiping from our airline flights…along with blanket, pretzles…
Just when you think the government has exhausted its capability to go even lower, we have a return to the good old anti-commie days. If Harman’s bill passes there will be committees formed around the country to seek out and investigate local “terrorists,” with pressure to actually find some. But I’m sure only really, really guilty people will be fingered.
How very Soviet, never thought this could happen to us.
I hear Scooter is looking for work, and this may pay real well.
‘I’ve met the enemy, and, he is us…’ 8-(
And if you’re unemployed you can get work as a bounty hunter.
Sweet pups, how nice it is that you are up and nattering away with me as i try to get my HTML Final Project polished up and posted.
Anyone have a favorite pocket size digital camera they’d recommend? Finally going to bite the bullet & switch from real film.
torture, Halliburton gang-raping their female employees and then stuffing them into shipping containers, yep… all necessary to save American lives
Ooooo… You will, of course, send us a link, right?
promised the snarky one i would blog madam for her so she can go to sleep.
http://frecklescassie.wordpress.com/
But while I am here, perhaps I can blogwhore for myself.
/end of all such activities.
Just like all those people in Guantanamo who are there cuz, seriously, their neighbors said they were terrorists! Always up to no good, have the
best goat herdsjihad thing goin’ on. Really. All of them. Really. Trust me, they’re terrists.here it is – **embarrassed** so crude.
I was thinking of stoning the bish *g
They weren’t before but they are now. Them & all their relatives.
I’m thinking that what you are saying really puts the simple finger on it…”never thought this could happen to us”…..If I told you that I never thought this could happen to us, I would be lying…I have always been aware that this could happen to us, because it happened to my parents, and they described it, and they warned me…it happened to millions and millions of people within my lifetime, in countries all over the world that were the victims of imperialism. This is not ancient news…this is quite recent history…corpses still somewhat warm… historically…just..out..of..reach…of..the..rebelliousness…of today’s youth… This is recent history…in some of our lifetimes…snap turnaround…it is the result of an existent doctrine of the potential history of the world and reality, by design.
I have a great little camera. It is not quite pocket sized though. I can direct you to photos I have taken with it if you would like to see how it performs. It is a Nikon 5400 point and shoot. They don’t make it anymore but you can find it used. And you can go to http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/ to get reviews of many cameras.
Hi eg and pups,
The hearing link in aisle 5 is working. The video is available untrimmed at this time for your convenience. Thanks selise, and thanks eg for keeping this nightmare front and center.
got a little Canon Powershot SD1000 that takes beautiful pics, is easy to use, seems quite sturdy and didn’t cost a whole lot… plus, it fits in my pocket.
that means, like, reality is like, existential.
wooaaa
ecahn, we have a great little camera. will send you the details tomorrow.
bringing down the link from aisle 5 for the CSPAN hearing
Hey eCAHN, take a look at these.
Hope we are listening to people like your parents.
I have a friend who is trying to talk me into a Nikon Coolpix. He takes fabulous photos of cactus flowers that he raises, and also sent me some of migrating cranes flying over his house to show both the macro & telephoto capabilities. But the camera is not small enough & I just know I won’t use something that size.
Photo store is recommending a Canon, but don’t remember which model.
Thanks texB.
ecahn – take a look at the SD1000 – did a lot of research before I bought it – good reviews all around, compatible with just about eveything.
Mad Dog has been on fire at EW’s casa, the ODNI FOIA request has produced some awesome nuggets:
So what’s your brand? We had more important things to discuss at the meetup than cameras, but I got pushed toward making a decision by my friend mentioned in my 1437.
China Agrees to Post U.S. Safety Officials in Its Food Factories
Posted in: Uncategorized
The agreement came on a day when Chinese and American representatives exchanged heated words over recent trade disputes, according to American officials.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12…..38;emc=rss
trying again
eCAHN, I agree with OldCoastie — I love my Canon. Mine’s a digital Elph (very small) and it takes really excellent pics.
second time worked, kathryn
Canon Powershot A610. They make smaller ones now, but I’m very happy with it.
Thats the one.
Nice start, Kathryn!
And who among us can distinguish between an existential crisis and a nervous breakdown?
yup – mine’s called a “Digital Elph” also… but there are a lot of different numbers on ‘em.
Thanks to you & to all for the feedback. Canon is looking strong contender.
Is that what I said??? Hmmm…I dunno….
Totally dude.
When I see Reagan’s face I remember being hungry and poor.
And we trust shrubco food safety officials why?
When I see Reagan’s face I remember being hungry and poor.
When I see Boosh’s face, I feel dirty and ashamed in addition to being hungry and poor.
eg- I know exactly what you mean. been there, done that. Whew!
use guys make mis NYC!!!111 D:
I’m remember all the time and I listen all the time…they lived it and passed it on, as did others…I remain vigilant.
Of course it can happen here and to us; we are not exceptional, nor were the Germans nor were the Japanese nor were the Cambodians nor were the Chileans nor were the Argentine. We are all human. We are all subject to the vicissitudes of tyranny.
And it has happened here. Right now.
I think mine’s SD650 — bought it last fall. No matter, it’s totally portable and it even does short video clips :-)
meh, vq1005 is fine shrugs*
I think IMG 2335 if the coolest picture!!! Gorgeous.
That has got to be the wickedest picture for a post I have ever seen. It’s like what must go on inside Dana Perino’s head.
Inside her head? OMG…dreams of Cuban Missile crises imagined…
Oh, Dana!!!
Good Lordess.
lmao idk
twolf is a creative genius.
i got an old elph, it’s prize :D
kinda lika a lika
We might have to adopt Dana…she’s sorely uninformed.
We trust them a tad more than we trust the Chinese inspectors.
Thanks, Newtonusr – that is product of Intro course.
now, i haul my poor self off to bed. night-night, sweet peeps
Exactly..During the last half of the 20th Century, Americans were very smug that “it” couldn’t happen here. That was a major failing of Danny Goldhagen’s book “Hitler’s Willing Executioners”..that the Holocaust was uniquely German. The pathology is uniquely human; we are all “wired” for the same behavior.
Hmmm. A charitable enterprise for lefty blogs:
reeducation centers for wingnuts. Sounds like a worthwhile project.Clean code. And it works. I think the problem you had with the first one was a well-known Mac-WordPress error.
Zzzzzz…what..what…what…okay…there’s the bed…Zzzzzzzzz
yeah, but look at all the water glasses on the table. ;-)
Thanks for complement, Newtonusr. hope i see you in austin in july
F’it, we’ll deal with them tomorrow…Zzzzzzzzz…
non-union, notwithstanding
LS – that’s right. zzzzzz
*waving g’nite to all the leaving sleepy pups*
Yep. Hope to see you, too!
Snort!!!! What????…okay..Zzzzzzz
night LS
*waving to ll*, we were only 7 blocks from the p&w
Can someone answer this question, s’il vous plait? I joined facebook here on FDL, but don’t really use it. I know it has fallen out of favor and I understand why. Anyways, the article makes it sound like I need to “deactivate” this feature that shares my online purchases. I couldn’t find anywhere on my facebook account that seemed to do such a thing. Anyone help? Mahalo!
G’night….Zzzzzzzzzz, but I’ve got one eye open…just in case….*g*
Ah, NYC…I need to get back up there, and soon!
I dunno. These days my confidence in the toxic propaganda coming out of Peroxide’s mouth is roughly the same as my confidence in toxic food and toy imports from China. At least THEY shoot the odd toxic exporter… :P
anyone know how to do the opt out of the beacon spy thing?
Let us know when & we’ll have a meetup in your honor.
Actually facebook backed off of that and it seems a tad safer than it was a few weeks ago.
It’s my understanding face book stopped that particular practice. Also I don’t think you may deactivate but you can erase most info and quit using the account.
eCAHN and bluejeans, it would be MY honor. And thanks. I can be reached at natsncats at verizon dot net.
all right, night-night, pups…
ES one can deactivate the account but can not delete it. They will let ya wipe a bunch of stuff out but there are certain core information they won’t let ya.
deactivate means the info is still there – just not actively using it.
sleep well OC.
Hey, rattie, how’s ya been? I never go to facebook anymore. Aren’t they being sued now over this?
while logged onto facebook, go to account/settings… the bottom box has a “deactivate” account option… that purges you from facebook.
no idea.
I say fork em!
use it as an agitator.
i guess you *should* know enough _not_to_ enter your e-mail password when you sign up but, or course, you didn’t read that in haste to sign-up.*
* general statement to teh masses.
If you go to your facebook page you will see an account button on the right hand top. Click there and you will see deactivate at the bottom of the list.
g’night OC.
Sort of like when you comment on a blog. It is recorded history. Forevah.
the uniqueness of this current tyranny is that george used tools that were already at hand;
and with the help of his minion, loyal bushies, corrupt political expediency became the order of the day. how did we get here? well, you go down the road a piece, but, be careful because the bridge is out. how do we fix the bridge? we send the constitution. the constitution. he sold us down the river. it’s as plain as day. @$#^%&^*! spit.
and like moon; waxes and wanes.
Never better put.
petrecca, well said.
thank you, how do you feel?
Sorry if someone posted this already…
Did anyone see Newshour tonight? Gwen Ifill asking Kit Bond if he thought waterboarding is torture (God, how I am tired of THAT question!)
He says it depends on how you define waterboarding. There’s different kinds, like swimming.
ayeeeeeeeeee!!!!
erm, politically? “Feel Like I’m Fixin’ To Die” *g*
100,000 visits today.
—Geeks R us
Hi petrecca, We may have to “visit” OUR HOUSE in DC to set things straight with shrub. Mass tourism, with signs and bullhorns of course.
Does everyone have their utube protest songs ready for Late Late Nite (coming up soon)?
snoopy happy dance
don’t do that!
After reading Altemeyer’s “Authoritarians”, I’m convinced your own mother might turn you in if she were an authoritarian follower and you weren’t a compliant conformist. (link to download of free book )
Waiting patiently. ;)
I seem to remember that Johnson was influenced by chanting across from WH: Hey, hey, what do you say. How many troops have you killed today?
let’s go, i’ve never been!?
Nah I won’t. That was figurative, of course!
Bush would prolly get off on it.
Hey hey LBJ how many kids did you kill today
if anyone comes down to Dee Cee, please let me know…
Georgie porgie pudding and pie
today, how many kids did you cause to die?
Torture – is it still a good wedge issue to help elect more and better Democrats?
Or has the complicity and acquiesence of (D) paragons like Pelosi and Rockefeller made it less effective in Campaign 2008?
these are the challenging questions for the Democratic Exasperation Society!
that torture is evil, and those with power who by their silence condoned it are also evil, and by extension that voting for such cowardly paladins as Clinton or Obama who turn a blind eye in the United States Senate, this also is evil – that’s crazy talk!
My Party right or wrong, they were innocent bystanders who didn’t have the votes to stop it, that is what counts for ’serious’ in left blogistan.
there is no lesser of the two evils now, as Arthur Silbur says.
Went with ANSWER in Sept. It really recharged my batteries.
then a toast it is! vino! for you!
You’ve never been to DC? Must rectify soon.
All the news that Fitz, we print.
And so, dear pups, good night and thank you.
OfT: Flea’s wipeout at Maverick’s
ya gotta see these waves.
g’nite EG and thanks for the great post
nite egr!
thanks pet wreckah ;-)
fork’em; they are the center right.
flag is here!
a first pilgrimage. ;~0
Thanks egregious. nite nite.
Yes. Delurking long enough to say, godnight, all. Best of all possible tomorrows to you all.
Good nite egregious & thanks for the post. I have a hard time commenting on torture because it’s just too distressing.
She didn’t just leave in a hissy Fitz, did she? *s*
Is that on our coast?
:D
i really aught to deliver something, somewhere, to someone on a first pilgrimage? eh?
Bruce Jenkins did a great piece on flea this morning, Teddy.
So how come no one here has Fitz as a screen name. Is it the proscription against sock puppeting?
lol
Hi and bye, RonD!
Sounds like a good guess to me.
So how come no one here has Fitz as a screen name. Is it the proscription against sock puppeting?
yeup
Right here, Mary.
i would say, george, you have exponentially increased war, poverty and environmental degradation. we can take no more of your vile excretions.
*got my protest songs playlist at the ready*
ya gotta see these waves.
I am happy that they are getting waves this year; last year was a total bust at Maverick.
go LL! go!
Now I know where that is. I need to see the ocean soon. Half Moon Bay sounds like a good place to be heading.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..re=related
In my opinion, Facebook is used in the rare situation that firedoglake.com goes down temporarily, or something like that – Just a temporary communication site.
Also, a place where FDL’ers can chat with others – I understand that some FDL’ers like to keep in touch with others who live in the same neck of the woods.
Ah. Discourse on the GUI. Thank you.
Good night all.
Waterboarding is like dunking. The only difference is that our modern witches (called “terrorists”) are presumed guilty, i.e., are guilty of having secret knowledge intended to cause danger to American citizens or friends of such, whereas the Puritans, at least, considered the dunking to be a trial to determine guilt.
This whole business is so sick as to be stupifying. [edited by mod to remove reference to violence]
Bob in HI
Love this idea! Yep, just send a barf bag (or even a paper sandwich bag with “American Barf” on it. LOL Think they’d get the idea of how Americans are feeling? I think so.
Re the barf bags, Christy did ask us to come up with a new project.
It wasn’t just George. It was all the super-rich who wanted tax breaks and media types who wanted access and pundits who needed their jobs and reps who didn’t want to come out of the closet and small-time politicos who wanted a few extra bucks. It wasn’t ALL of us, but it was a lot of people who thought it didn’t matter to do a little damage here and a little there.
I thought the Truth was that we aspired to greatness and all the while those little people were just aspiring to greater wealth.