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	<title>Comments on: The Troops Hate Bush And Want Out of Iraq. Will Glenn Reynolds And Michelle Malkin Still &#8220;Support&#8221; Them?</title>
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		<title>By: RoyEPearson</title>
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		<dc:creator>RoyEPearson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 02:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No they are not important.  They address their public for their masters, and the left responds.  We become a function of them.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We have a strong case and the right is shirnking, because the failed policies of the Bush “adminstation” even those who listen to Malkin  and the likes have turned against Bush.  Those left are the one Abe said you can fool all the time.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;THe left give the Coulters and Malkins as much press as the right does.  Stop it.  If we ignore them, they will not go away but they will have to make it on their own.  They are outrageous to get noticed.  Everyone shook in fear of Rush L. Now where is he?  They have a tendency to do themselves in. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We have a War to stop, make Pelosi afraid of us.  We can’t do that playing Malkins game.  The facts are on our side and for now so is the population.  We just need to close.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Forget Malkin.  Focus on ending the war, singularly.  Spend the time on Pelosi and Reed as you do on “what is her name” and maybe we can stop the killing of our troops.  Columnists have to think that other columnists are important for obvious reasons, but really, you guys are just part of the pig picture, not the picture itself.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No they are not important.  They address their public for their masters, and the left responds.  We become a function of them.  </p>
<p>We have a strong case and the right is shirnking, because the failed policies of the Bush “adminstation” even those who listen to Malkin  and the likes have turned against Bush.  Those left are the one Abe said you can fool all the time.  </p>
<p>THe left give the Coulters and Malkins as much press as the right does.  Stop it.  If we ignore them, they will not go away but they will have to make it on their own.  They are outrageous to get noticed.  Everyone shook in fear of Rush L. Now where is he?  They have a tendency to do themselves in. </p>
<p>We have a War to stop, make Pelosi afraid of us.  We can’t do that playing Malkins game.  The facts are on our side and for now so is the population.  We just need to close.  </p>
<p>Forget Malkin.  Focus on ending the war, singularly.  Spend the time on Pelosi and Reed as you do on “what is her name” and maybe we can stop the killing of our troops.  Columnists have to think that other columnists are important for obvious reasons, but really, you guys are just part of the pig picture, not the picture itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Blue Texan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blue Texan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;p&gt;Glenn Reynolds And Michelle Malkin do not matter.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I wish that were the case, but that’s not true. They are the most read bloggers on the right, and often given bigger platforms by the corporate media, and they’re a part of the poisonous megaphone that conflates the support with the troops with support of the President. The megaphone that the Democrats in the House and Senate apparently still fear.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you write off the two biggest bloggers on the right as meaningless, then the corollary is also true — and we’re all just wasting our time here.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>Glenn Reynolds And Michelle Malkin do not matter.</p>
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<p>I wish that were the case, but that’s not true. They are the most read bloggers on the right, and often given bigger platforms by the corporate media, and they’re a part of the poisonous megaphone that conflates the support with the troops with support of the President. The megaphone that the Democrats in the House and Senate apparently still fear.</p>
<p>If you write off the two biggest bloggers on the right as meaningless, then the corollary is also true — and we’re all just wasting our time here.</p>
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		<title>By: RoyEPearson</title>
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		<dc:creator>RoyEPearson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Glenn Reynolds And Michelle Malkin do not matter.  Enough with the personality games.  People are dying while we snipe at the deserving ignorant and arrogant.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;PUSH the Democrat “Leadership” to Shut Down the Governemnt if that is what it takes to get the troops out of Iraq.  Do we have to wait until 99.99% of the people are ready to openly revolt before someone does something.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Shut It Down - the War or the Government.  Let Bush Decide.  If he wants to play stubborn, make it hurt.  Make him explain why he is shutting down the government for a failed policy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;PUSH, Shove, Shut it Down.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glenn Reynolds And Michelle Malkin do not matter.  Enough with the personality games.  People are dying while we snipe at the deserving ignorant and arrogant.  </p>
<p>PUSH the Democrat “Leadership” to Shut Down the Governemnt if that is what it takes to get the troops out of Iraq.  Do we have to wait until 99.99% of the people are ready to openly revolt before someone does something.  </p>
<p>Shut It Down &#8211; the War or the Government.  Let Bush Decide.  If he wants to play stubborn, make it hurt.  Make him explain why he is shutting down the government for a failed policy.</p>
<p>PUSH, Shove, Shut it Down.</p>
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		<title>By: jbb@vcn.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>jbb@vcn.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We all need to watch all four sections of this:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.militarytimes.com/projects/flash/bloodbrothers/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.militarytimes.com/p.....dbrothers/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
This lays out the attitude and causes for that attitude of actual combat troops.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all need to watch all four sections of this:<br />
<a href="http://www.militarytimes.com/projects/flash/bloodbrothers/" rel="nofollow">http://www.militarytimes.com/p&#8230;..dbrothers/</a><br />
This lays out the attitude and causes for that attitude of actual combat troops.</p>
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		<title>By: Blue Texan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blue Texan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;p&gt;According to this, the majority of military families feel this way, not the troops&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Er, no. “Military families” is inclusive of active duty members, vets, and families of both.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;By the way, whether the military’s view on Iraq and Bush are “right” is a red herring. The post is about the wingnuts’ phony support of the troops.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And are you really going to go with the slavery analogy?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>According to this, the majority of military families feel this way, not the troops</p>
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<p>Er, no. “Military families” is inclusive of active duty members, vets, and families of both.</p>
<p>By the way, whether the military’s view on Iraq and Bush are “right” is a red herring. The post is about the wingnuts’ phony support of the troops.</p>
<p>And are you really going to go with the slavery analogy?</p>
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		<title>By: USpace</title>
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		<dc:creator>USpace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;According to this, the majority of military families feel this way, not the troops.  Long ago, most of the south wanted to keep slavery too, that didn’t make slavery right.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
absurd thought -&lt;br /&gt;
God of the Universe says&lt;br /&gt;
never help other countries&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;maybe just send them money&lt;br /&gt;
never fight for their freedom&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
absurd thought -&lt;br /&gt;
God of the Universe says&lt;br /&gt;
just blame America&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;for all the ills of the world&lt;br /&gt;
don’t blame simple dictators&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://absurdthoughtsaboutgod.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://absurdthoughtsaboutgod.blogspot.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to this, the majority of military families feel this way, not the troops.  Long ago, most of the south wanted to keep slavery too, that didn’t make slavery right.</p>
<p>.<br />
absurd thought -<br />
God of the Universe says<br />
never help other countries</p>
<p>maybe just send them money<br />
never fight for their freedom</p>
<p>.<br />
absurd thought -<br />
God of the Universe says<br />
just blame America</p>
<p>for all the ills of the world<br />
don’t blame simple dictators</p>
<p><a href="http://absurdthoughtsaboutgod.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://absurdthoughtsaboutgod.blogspot.com/</a><br />
.</p>
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		<title>By: RockPaperScizzors</title>
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		<dc:creator>RockPaperScizzors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;CIA photos ’show UK Guantanamo detainee was tortured’ &lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Lawyers for a British resident who the US government refuses to release from Guantanamo Bay have identified the existence of photographs taken by CIA agents that they say show their client suffered horrific injuries under torture.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article3239372.ece&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://news.independent.co.uk/.....239372.ece&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>CIA photos ’show UK Guantanamo detainee was tortured’ </em><br />
Lawyers for a British resident who the US government refuses to release from Guantanamo Bay have identified the existence of photographs taken by CIA agents that they say show their client suffered horrific injuries under torture.<br />
<a href="http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article3239372.ece" rel="nofollow">http://news.independent.co.uk/&#8230;..239372.ece</a></p>
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		<title>By: Prairie Sunshine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prairie Sunshine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think if they tried there would be strong resistance behind the curtain that we would never know about…for a loooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnngggggggggg time to come. There’s a lot, I suspect, going on behind the curtains right now that we won’t know about.  And likely not by the people we think are or should be doing something.  But then I’m a big fan of political thrillers…maybe we’ll get more truth out of the Baldaccis and Folletts of the world than the historians.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There is a sea change surging in this country.  That’s the real surge that matters.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think if they tried there would be strong resistance behind the curtain that we would never know about…for a loooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnngggggggggg time to come. There’s a lot, I suspect, going on behind the curtains right now that we won’t know about.  And likely not by the people we think are or should be doing something.  But then I’m a big fan of political thrillers…maybe we’ll get more truth out of the Baldaccis and Folletts of the world than the historians.</p>
<p>There is a sea change surging in this country.  That’s the real surge that matters.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
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		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I can’t find anything like this is the Geneva Conventions.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/html/57JMJT?OpenDocument#a2&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.icrc.org/web/eng/si.....ocument#a2&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Conventions ban use of individuals under 15 years in the armed forces, so that anyone who recruited such a child would be in violation of the Convention. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But an armed child would remain a combatant, and thus could be fired upon until &lt;em&gt; hors d’combat&lt;/em&gt; (i.e. removed from combat due to injury, disarmed, or surrendered). They are to be treated as a Prisoner of War until they are given a hearing to determine their status.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BTW In an area of combat, one can also fire upon armed civilians (combatants that are not wearing proper emblems or uniforms of the military of the enemy), just as they are official troops of the opposition force.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can’t find anything like this is the Geneva Conventions.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/html/57JMJT?OpenDocument#a2" rel="nofollow">http://www.icrc.org/web/eng/si&#8230;..ocument#a2</a></p>
<p>The Conventions ban use of individuals under 15 years in the armed forces, so that anyone who recruited such a child would be in violation of the Convention. </p>
<p>But an armed child would remain a combatant, and thus could be fired upon until <em> hors d’combat</em> (i.e. removed from combat due to injury, disarmed, or surrendered). They are to be treated as a Prisoner of War until they are given a hearing to determine their status.</p>
<p>BTW In an area of combat, one can also fire upon armed civilians (combatants that are not wearing proper emblems or uniforms of the military of the enemy), just as they are official troops of the opposition force.</p>
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		<title>By: raven1</title>
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		<dc:creator>raven1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yea, when I tried it wouldn’t let me. I had to use Raven1 to get the stupid Facebook to work and now it looks like I’m stuck with it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea, when I tried it wouldn’t let me. I had to use Raven1 to get the stupid Facebook to work and now it looks like I’m stuck with it.</p>
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