I sent this letter to Clark Hoyt, the public editor of the New York Times. I will post his response if I receive one. If you've contacted Hoyt after my Saturday post, let me know in comments or via e-mail if Mr. Hoyt has gotten back to you.
Again, I encourage those interested to e-mail Hoyt at public@nytimes.com. The rest of his contact information is here.
Dear Mr. Hoyt,
Mitt Romney's "Faith In America" speech in Texas last week has been negligently reported by the Times. Beginning with the preview article on December 3 by Michael Luo and Michael Cooper, through two additional articles by Mr. Luo, including one that was featured on the front page -- as well as several prominent editorials -- Mr. Romney's controversial comments about excluding Muslims in his cabinet have been alarmingly omitted. Given that the speech was supposed to be about, as Luo and Cooper put it, America's "grand tradition of religious tolerance," it is most problematic that Romney's intolerant remarks went unmentioned.
Worse, there seems to be no good reason for this omission. I wrote Mr. Luo after the initial article appeared in the paper, inquiring why he'd left out Romney's anti-Muslim comments. Somewhat incredibly, he replied that he had insufficient space and time to mention it. After his second and third articles were published, I again brought the issue to Luo's attention. And again, Luo offered the same poor excuses: that his deadlines and space limitations prevented him from doing his job.
But what I found even more alarming was the glibness with which Luo treated Romney's remarks, referring to his comments as "the Muslim thing" and suggesting that because other media failed to mention them, that somehow makes the Times' omission acceptable.
The facts are these. The Christian Science Monitor reported that Romney said he would exclude Muslims from his cabinet. The Romney campaign initially didn't deny the remarks. Additional witnesses then went on the record, confirming that Romney had made similar remarks on a number of different occasions.
It's truly baffling that the Times gave Romney's speech such extensive coverage without even a passing mention of these remarks, remarks which are inherently at odds with the theme of Romney's speech. But it's unimaginable that the reasons given for this dereliction of the paper's journalistic responsibilities is a lack of resources.
I urge you to correct the record on this matter as soon as possible.
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Will we ever give up this “first!” “second!” thing? Sheesh.
Might want to contact Deb Howell as well (hah!) since the Muslim thing did not appear in the WaPo0’s big Romney Day coverage, either.
Nicely phrased, BT!
I love it too…
The “pretzel logic” is just incredible…
Nice letter.
ps
It’s hard to see the hyperlinked passages in the italicized quote.
Hi BlueTex…I agree with the point of your post, but I wonder about the tactics. I wonder if that by publicizing the letter before receiving a response, you give the guy an excuse to dismiss you as just some blogger trying to promote himself, instead of engaging in a serious discussion on the issue. I don’t know, though…nice work, nice letter.
Long live the Zed.
The Gray Lady. News that isn’t news. My bet is no correction. The fix is in.
Hadn’t thought of that. Though I think the letter is respectful and raises enough serious questions about the Times work on this, and that will be enough to carry it through. Interesting point, though.
Having said all that, I am just some blogger.
11th!
I am a NYTimes subscriber, but find myself increasingly turning to other sources of information (such as you guys, C&L, DKos, and Josh Marshall). Disappointing MSM, to say the least.
Looks like the Times needs to change its slogan to “All the news that fits, we’ll print.” And this material just didn’t “fit.”
Unfortunately for the readership, though, some things never seem to find a way to “fit.”
Chris Dodd has a live “google chat” going on now. He’s talking about right to privacy.
You are “some blogger” with some serious teeth that politely tears away at the bullshit (pardon me).
The only reason any media source dismisses “bloggers” is because they are definitely a rising threat to established corporate news sources.
Chris Dodd is talking about Google’s China issues.
Nice letter, action, btw, BT.
I stopped paying for the NY Times long ago. I used to read it daily., now I read some of the Op Eds, and arts section online. I wouldn’t give them a penny as they are the mouthpiece for the corporate / real estate / property class in this country. Essentially if you are a working person, the NY Times is the voice of the “enemy”, ie your bosses.
When you understand THAT agenda you can see how they spin the news, and always will. Not including muslims is probably true, said to pander to racists and required to be left out as it makes him appear as the racist he is. So the Times needs to clean up his image so he is electable.
He is lost in the dark ages. The Times won’t tell you that.
Thanks for doing this, BT. Very cool correspondence.
You may be, but your our “some blogger”!
You know I meant no disrespect-just speculating about counter-strategy. Again, great letter.
Romney scares the crap out of me. How many folks believe that the US was not meant to be secular? How many people know that non-secular periods in this country led to the kind of bigotry Mitt Romney is about? Or that the evangelicals owe the Jeffersonian system for their own survival.
Oh, totally. My only point was, if he’s going to dismiss me ad hominem, I’m probably screwed anyway. But your point was interesting.
Nice letter. But if I could pick one nit. Or at least comment. I wonder if this was really a case of “negligently” reporting a story. More and more everyday, it’s seeming to me that this is just the way they do things at NYT. On purpose.
You brought up a valid point and I actually agree that that this beautifully illustrated correspondence would be generally dismissed because of the source it came from.
Sad, isn’t it?
That’s why when I sent my email to Mr Hoyt, I did not ID myself as anything other than a citizen who happens to read the paper. So far, all I’ve received back is the form email they always send in auto-reply.
Ooh they are asking Dodd about Romney’s religion comment. Dodd’s answer (paraphrase) Romney ain’t'no JFK.
You might also want to email Bill Keller at executive-editor@nytimes.com about this matter. The more the better.
I know I’ve just gotten sick of seeing so-called journalists sneer and smirk when discussing bloggers. I would hate to see eloquent dissent casually dismissed because of the source…but it could work the other way as well! He may feel he has to respond because of the blog, and thus be more accesible. We just don’t know.l
It’s interesting Dodd is speaking at Google HQ in Mountain View, California.
He just dissed tancredo. and antiimmigrant policies of the past.
Sorry to be OT. But this is good. Dodd says immigration has enriched this country beyond our wildest dreams, and can’t imagine what this country would look like without it.
At the rate things are going, they’re going to start wincing and cringing when bloggers are mentioned. The beatings they are receiving from Emptywheel, Glenzilla, Digby, and the FDL crew have to be taking a toll.
Bloggers have to be at least ten times more effective at their arguments than general media journalists in order to be even given any shred of respect to their work.
The people at FDL are more than capable of filling that bill even with these roadblocks.
I know this sounds really corny (sorry about the word don’t swat me too hard) but there is history being made right here and right now here at this website and others like it.
Got to fly from the lake now, hope all of you pups have a beautiful one today.
ACLU petition: Demand Mukasey assign special prosecutor for CIA tape coverup.
Woman at google is asking Dodd why Dems cave in to Rethug legislation when Dems are in charge. Why not filibuster?
At the rate things are going, they’re going to start wincing and cringing when bloggers are mentioned. The beatings they are receiving from Emptywheel, Glenzilla, Digby, and the FDL crew have to be taking a toll.
I wonder if he’s still thinking of you whenever he writes about Mitt.
Today’s snark by the WaPo’s Dana Milbank is a highly enjoyable read:
“Romney has shown impressive versatility on the campaign trail, adopting new positions as he goes along on abortion, gay rights and immigration. This flexibility also makes him an exciting candidate: He seems willing to say just about anything.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....id=artslot
Dakine, I left you a message, the last comment #175 downstairs. Had to tell you, I was amused!
OT– (apologies, but too funny)
Oh Dana:
Replied.
Check1…2..Is this thing on? Anybody else having trouble? I just got blown off the site for about 20 minutes.
Oh Dana II:
(Same link as my 37.)
That’s my girl, DAD Dana.
DAD
Yeah, the site is having some “birth pangs” again, unfortunately.
I’m having no problems… Problem on your end probably.
I had a problem, and the computer told me that it couldn’t reach the server or something like that, so I think it’s on your end. Of course, if you didn’t try to refresh during the “blip,” you wouldn’t know that anything was wrong.
OKey dokey…or something to that effect…*g*
Tiikes, time to send the rich boy back to the country club.
Got that too. In addition I am having major bandwith type problems.
DAD? What’s that?
And I still do not seem to be able to edit.
An acronym for my nickname for Dana.
Dumb as dogshit.
No one can edit yet. But Preview works now. So use Preview to edit.
I don’t know who coined this, but my fav is “lying sack of cute…”
I am inclined to defend Dana in a relative kind of way, maybe because I am a woman, and say: Scottie was stupider, and Ari stupidest of them all.
Not a huge Snitchens fan, what with his insane support for chimp’s GWOT, but he can but such a hoot:
This does not mean that freedom of religion is not as important as freedom from it, yet Romney makes himself absurd by saying that Mormons may not be asked about the tenets of their faith, lest this infringe the constitutional ban on a religious test for public office. Here is another failure of understanding on his part. He is not being told: Answer this question in the wrong way, and you become ineligible. He is being told: Your family is prominent in a notorious church that proselytizes its views in a famously aggressive manner. Are you only now deciding to make a secret of your beliefs? And if so, why? Would he expect a Scientologist to be able to avoid questions about L. Ron Hubbard? Does the governor of Massachusetts who publicly tried for mob applause by demanding that we “double Guantanamo” (whatever that meant) add that the detainees must not be asked what branch of Islam they favor? If an atheist was running against him, would Romney make nothing of the fact? His stupid unease on this point is shown by his demagogic attack on the straw man “religion of secularism,” when, actually, his main and most cynical critic is a moon-faced true believer and anti-Darwin pulpit-puncher from Arkansas who doesn’t seem to know the difference between being born again and born yesterday.
Perino:
Pretty but dumb. She gives blond women a bad name.
Jane is blond and highly intelligent.
Naomi Klein is blond and highly intelligent.
Valerie Plame is blond and highly intelligent.
OT How Perino started today’s press briefing:
With the stories about waterboarding and destruction of torture tapes, you have to admit the WH has a wicked sense of humor.
That feels like an order. I love orders.
I’d say they have no sense of irony.
“lying sack of cute” comes from the Stephanie Miller show.
New Jane!
Hillary Clinton Joins Joe Lieberman To Resurrect the Culture Wars
I disagree. Scottie wasn’t so much dumb as incapable of lying well. Ari wasn’t dumb either, he just was much better at both lying and spinning. Dana pretty much proved her level of ineptitude by her comment about the Bay of Pigs/Cuban Missile Crisis
Was that the one where the Russians had pigs aimed at us from Cuba?
Nice letter by Blue Texan, and right on point. I love NYT, but the last few weeks there has been failure after failure of omission or comission and most of them have been presciently caught by FDL and other bloggers and their commentors.
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The excuse made that there wasn’t deadline time or space to get it right wouldn’t/shouldn’t pass muster if your were a fly on the wall with Bill Keller, editor, Jill Abramson, Managing Editor, Andrew Rosenthal, editorial page editor, or Francis X. Clines, the National Politics editor, among many others.
I don’t know why so many lapses in judgement are happening there lately, but it’s beginning to look a little like WaPo at times where you can never tell what “Bushie supporting” article will turn up next, particularly on their editorial pages.
From Maureen Dowd’s article on Mitt’s speech yesterday:
Mitt’s No J.F.K. by Maureen Dowd 12/9/07
I would imagine I’m not the only one who’s ever called her that. But i think i’m the one who does so on a
regularexclusive basis. “Lying sack of cute” is good. I started calling her DAD after watching that video with Helen Thomas the other day. I’m sticking with it. It’s not to say Ari and McClellan were anything but DAD either. But they’re gone. She’s here.Yep. The smart move there would be to have a coughing fit.
Dana Peroxide is so emblematic of what is wrong with this country: ignorance begetting ignorance begetting ignorance, ad nauseam.
Seems like Human Rights got pretty short shrift, there. Why would I expect anything else?
And having a job in the WH. Like the bimbettes at DOJ. Where are they getting these folks. i’m gonna check Dana’s bio. I really don’t know it. I’ll be nice and assume sh’e bright and just got moved up the ladder one rung too high. I’m still gonn a call her DAD, though.
Was that the one where the Russians had pigs aimed at us from Cuba?
Somebody should tell Dana that’s where the expression “when pigs FLY” comes from and see if she believes it.
I just Wiki’d her. She was on “Wait, Wait, Don’t Tell Me” on Saturday. I missed it. Caught Fitz when he was on, though.
Me too.
I’m sure she is a perfectly nice woman, with an impossible job - defending the indefensible.
Ari, though, is a lying sack of shit.
New thread above!
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Tweetie Mathews thought Mitt looked “Presidential.” Analyzing what he actually said is way above Mathews’ pay grade (and his Ivy league staff’s aparently).
I gave up on the NYT after the Judith Miller propaganda screed. It’s really worthless and has no role to play in today’s world. I guess one could line the litter box or bird cage.