The story ripped through the ranks of the climate-change flat-earth crowd like a chainsaw through butter: Climate change scientifically debunked!
On 8 November many who would deny that human activity has anything to do with global warming were agog at news of a paper entitled "Carbon dioxide production by benthic bacteria: the death of manmade global warming theory?" by Daniel A. Klein of the Department of Climatology, University of Arizona and colleagues (Journal of Geoclimatic Studies, vol 23, p 273). It was just what they wanted to hear.
Its authors concluded thus: "We have been warned… that in bringing our findings to public attention we are not only likely to be deprived of all future sources of funding, but that we also jeopardise the funding of the departments for which we work… We deplore the aggressive responses we encountered before our findings were published, and fear the reaction this paper might provoke. But dangerous as these findings are, we feel we have no choice but to publish." How brave! An editorial similarly praising the underdog, though less temperately, appeared alongside the paper.
That’s the set-up. Now here’s the punchline:
According to bloggers, a well-known UK social anthropologist sent out an alert about the paper to a climate-sceptic email list – and withdrew it an hour or two later. Why? Because neither the authors nor their institutions nor the journal exist. A teensy clue might have been found in the inclusion of equations that are not only nonsensical but irreproducible here, due to their imaginative use of Thai and Serbian Cyrillic characters – alongside suspiciously perfect graphs. Then there was a list of other papers in the alleged journal – including, wonderfully, "Submarine lightning strikes in the Hadean Zone: an unacknowledged cause of fish mortality?"
None of this deterred US radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh, who spent the best part of a show ranting against conventional climate science on the back of the spoof. He has subsequently acknowledged that he was hoaxed.
The author of the spoof wishes to remain anonymous, but Feedback tracked him down. He says the spoof exposes the "credulity and scientific illiteracy" of many climate sceptics, who "will believe almost anything if it lends support to their position… From now on the ’sceptics’ will have to do something they haven’t bothered with in the past: check their facts."
Would that this were true. As the case of Alexander Cockburn shows, climate-change deniers are singularly impervious to facts in context.
Notice that the name of well-known lying sack of dung Rush Limbaugh came up? He was also a prime transmitter of another bogosity to which the wingnuts are taking like ducks to water. From Rush’s own website for December 3, citing a NewsMax piece dated that same day:
RUSH: How many of you remember the name General Giap from the North Vietnamese army? General Giap, G-i-a-p is how you spell it, but pronounce it General Giap. He was a very famous, knowledgeable general in the North Vietnamese army. He’s published his memoirs and here’s a pull quote: "What we still don’t understand is why you Americans stopped the bombing of Hanoi. You had us on the ropes. If you had pressed us a little harder, just for another day or two, we were ready to surrender. It was the same at the battle of Tet. You defeated us. We knew it. We thought you knew it. But we were elated to notice that your media was definitely helping us. They were causing more disruption in America than we could in the battlefield. We were ready to surrender. You had won." He makes the point the Vietnam War was not lost in Vietnam; it was lost here. That’s why I keep telling everybody that the Drive-Bys were trying to do the same thing in Iraq that they did in Vietnam for a host of reasons, not the least of which among them was to reestablish their own ability to influence people into the United States losing a war that the media was opposed to. Scary, scary stuff.
Too bad that neither the quote nor the book actually exists, and that this lie was debunked when it first appeared nearly four years ago:
The suggestion that VVAW lengthened the war comes from convicted arms dealer, perjurer, and media personality Oliver North. In a cited quote from North (Greg Lewis, “Fellow Travelers, Useful Idiots, and Other Innocents”, Washington Dispatch, 2/19/2004), North alleges that Giap in a 1985 book stated that John Kerry and VVAW lengthened the war and insured the ultimate Vietnamese victory. Giap published no 1985 book. THERE IS NO SUCH QUOTE in either of General Giap’s two post-war publications (Vo Nguyen Giap, Unforgettable Months And Years, Southeast Asia Program, Dept. of Asian Studies, Cornell University, 1975 or How We Won the War (coauthored by Van Tien Dung) RECON Publications, 1976).
You might want to send this out to your wingnut rellies. You might not convince them, but it’ll be fun to hear their heads explode.
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hey there
PW!!!
yikes
who needs facts when you can make your own reality?
At least, Gore is raising the alarm! In seven years we’ll lose the Northern Polar Ice cap… 8-(
Whoa. Are we in a parallel universe?
Exploding heads can cause a climate change.
The VVAW was basically unknown until Sept, 1970 when Operation RAW was staged. And while we are at it, as I have pointed out over-and-over, Jim Webb totally agrees with Rush on this.
Apparently, some fine tuning needs to occur on the new post alert system… *g*
New post has been published – Hillary Clinton Joins Joe Lieberman To Resurrect the Culture Wars.
Because if we are in a parallel universe, I’d like to know if it’s a better one than the one I was last in….that one doesn’t seem to be working out too well….
Uh, I think there’s a bug in that “new post has been published” feature. Right now, it’s telling me that Jane’s post about Hillary and Joe Lieberman is up.
So whats new. The list of lies is to long to list!
Peterr and Laura, ya both owe me a Coke… :P
Finally post something I know something about and it lasts 12 entries!
I thought that was a dig to me because I didn’t go get everyone after I zeded.
CT–I wasn’t being clear, but at #5, I was ahead of you.
Oh, I get it, it shows when a new post in an old thread happens. . .never mind!
Underwater lightning strikes?????? Someone bought that?
*mumble* Alright, here ya go… ;-)
See if you can guess which one I am in this pic
http://www.vietnamveteranminis…..morial.htm
Heh, when ya post it… Rookie!
If you click on that message, it takes you to such a post–the problem is, it was posted at noon today.
Raven, did Jim Webb agree with Rush that General Giap a) wrote a book called Memoirs, and b) said that quote?
Because both a) and b) are wrong.
By the way, the righties have been misrepresenting James Webb’s authorial output, too. They’re calling him a purveyor of porn. (And racist porn at that.) We both know those are lies, but the righties keep spewing them.
I know! The one with the long hair! Right?
I’d omit the one on the left… :P
I put it in with the link function and it misfired. There also was no label function like the old one.
These folks have been buying stuff like underwater lightning strikes for years.
If you went to camp as a kid, you probably met these folks. They were the ones who were sent to the commissary by the cabin counselor to get a “left handed smoke shifter” or who were taken snipe hunting after dark.
TPM has a link:
http://oversight.house.gov/doc…..101633.pdf
to a Henry Waxman report on the Bush Administration’s interference in the science of global warming.
“loyal Bushies…that are politically reliable” on MSNBC. “Dismantling and eviscerating…and hijacking the Justice Department.” What, Me Worry?
Raven- second row near the left- the guy with the big hair?
So everyone’s getting the “New post” message for Jane’s old post, eh? Weird!
On the deck just to her right. Took me 30 years to find it.
From Webb
To be sure, Kerry deserves condemnation for his activities as the leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW). In the early 1970s, this small organization — never more than 7,000 veterans out of a potential pool of 9 million — became the darling of the anti-war movement and the liberal media. Its activities went far beyond simply criticizing the politics of the war to repeatedly and dishonestly misrepresenting the service of Vietnam veterans and the positive feelings most felt after serving.
Kerry and his VVAW compatriots portrayed their fellow veterans as unwilling soldiers, morally debased and haunted by their service. While this might have fit a small minority, the most accurate survey, done by the Harris Poll in 1980, showed that 91% of those who went to Vietnam were “glad they served their country,” 74% “enjoyed their time in the military” and 89% agreed with the statement that “our troops were asked to fight in a war which our political leaders in Washington would not let them win.”
I am confused. Is this the current post?
I seem to remember Webb saying the anti-war movement lengthened the war and provided propaganda for the North, or something to that effect. I don’t recall him citing Giap-just holding forth that opinion.
Or sent to the Motor Pool to pick up a can of Blackout Drive fluid and a left handed wrench… ;-)
I am PW. But that post was from noon.
Yea, had a pony tail. Here I am with no shirt
http://www.wintersoldierfilm.com/screenings.htm
Agreed, and it’s all the same to me. We were right then and we are still right.
Re:
Of course not, they put it on their credit card.
No fact checkers? Oy!
Hi, folks.
I’m insanely tired, working so much.
I miss hanging out in comments.
are you Raven or raven? i am so confused by people’s new names (or even the possibility that names are new).
I think it’s one of the new features burping a bit.
same old bird
Do anti global warming types have motives other than money?
Be careful, red mist can be very addictive.
Hi Selise..are you ok with me putting up your Whitehouse clips at my place?
Good to see you Pach.
Wow, I’m surprised at those numbers…
It’s my personal opinion that this snippet should’ve impacted the No.’s;
I’ve interacted with many Nam vets and PTSD is extremely pervasive… To include my Boyz after they came back and are slated again for deployment… F*ck this Sh*t!
How are you feeling, hon?
Notice no of those questions asked them about the Nam.
Or as Nobel laureat Paul Samuelson said in another (and more plausible) context (I was there), ‘why should I look it up, when I can make it up?
To be fair, he was talking about theory,not facts.
Abrams covering the rape from the last thread.
Pach, I am in so much pain. And no end in sight at the moment. Barely functioning this eve. :(
please use it in whatever way you like. i’ve give the .mov file to anyone who wants to use it to make their own clip too.
p.s. the since i had to make two clips (youtube is limited to 10 min, and whitehouse’s speech was almost 14min), put them back together in a playlist (it plays the two youtubes sequentially and makes it almost as good as one longer clip)
{{{{{{BETSY}}}}}}
I heard earlier this week. So sorry.
Betsy, have you seen
Full Catastrophe Living: Using the Wisdom of Your Body and Mind to Face Stress, Pain, and Illness (Paperback)
by Jon Kabat-Zinn
((((((TexBetsy))))))
{{{TexBetsy}}}
My thoughts and prayers go out to ya… Happy Hanukkah!!!
thanks for all the hugs!!!! aww! No Raven I haven’t but I did use something similar in rehab 4 yrs ago.
I had a compression fracture of T-6 in a wreck in 1975. They put Harrington Rods on my spine and did a bone graft on the break. I’ve been lucky and have stayed pretty active. Hang tough.
Raven- question for you.
Someone I knew in college went to Nam, drafted. I later dated him, and felt he wasn’t quite the same person after he came back. But, it was subtle, and he always claimed he enjoyed his time in Nam. He was in an underground communications bunker, and so was pretty insulated.
We have remained friends over the years, and I thought I knew him quite well. But, in the past few years I have come to realize that he has a strong streak of paranoia that he projects onto ordinary social interactions.
I’ve been wondering if this is basically how he’s always been, or if this is some (albeit muted) reaction to Nam.
Any thoughts?
Thanks Selise..I already had the post together and didn’t want to re-do it, so it’s now up, but in two pieces. I’ll learn how to do the playlist, maybe re-edit it when I do. Great work, btw. Thanks again.
Apropos never letting the facts get in the way of one’s own
agendanarrative, Tony Perkins links “secular journalism” to that Col. shootings this weekend: attacks at ChristmasSure. First, what kind of person would not be changed? Remember that about 70% of us were REMF’s, in the rear with the gear. There was still the threat of rockets, mortars, mines and ambushes if you were on the roads. If he was in a commo bunker he may have been part of some very traumatic situations. Combine this with our age, average 19, and the general sense of the uselessness of the mission and it’s a pretty good set-up for issues. What’s his drug and alcohol situation. I’ve been totally sober for 14 years and I’m still wired. Hypervigilance is what Patience Mason calls it. She is the wife of a Nam Vet and has worked with families for years
http://www.patiencepress.com/
We are not out brothers keeper but we are our brothers brother (or sister). Thanks for caring about him.
Webb’s quote that :
strikes me as more than a bit unfair. Nowhere in any VVAW literature does it state that they said that all Vietnam vets were “morally debased” or anything like that. Unless, of course, acknowledging that many vets were having problems adjusting to civilian life is the same as calling them “morally debased”.
From the VVAW website:
Funny, how it’s somehow wrong to suggest that many Vietnam vets might not have been happy campers then or now, but it’s OK to talk about the problems that Iraq war vets have had (PTSD, etc.).
Wait, I thought I was PW!
The internet in general seems to be wonky tonight. Things are sllloooowww.
That’s IT! We ARE in a parallel universe. Tell me, is Al Gore president here?
Yes
VG, you’re never insulated from it… 8-(
Anybody know anything about this one? Speculation over at TPM about who’s been doing oppo research on progressive bloggers.
Hiya, Pach. Great Sunday morning work!
Better get back to crack-a-lackin’ on my own. Take care, TexBetsy!
Ciao for now, pups.
Hubbard killed us.
night ya’ll
Oh hallelujah, I’ve found the worm hole.
‘night Raven. Sleep well.
I don’t know about Obama, but I can guarantee you Rove is getting as much dirt on liberal bloggers as he possibly can. Look for the general election to be very ugly.
Aloha, Raven and Prairie Sunshine!
Thanks so much Raven. No drugs, just alcohol. Usually a very quiet drunk, I gather. But, regular about it. But, he comes from a family of much harder core alcoholics, so there’s that too. But, “hypervigilance” definitely captures him so exactly. Thanks for the word, and the link.
Oh, and hang in there TexBetsy!
TexBetsy, I have a friend who was recently hospitalized with bowel cancer. They had to rip out large sections of his guts, and they wanted to send him home barely a week after surgery even though he was still bleeding internally. He held though until the senior doctor came to check on him and said “No way is this man going home right now! He’s bleeding like crazy!” He got to stay an extra week and now is convalescing just fine.
The moral of the story: If you know you’re right, hang tough and you will be rewarded.
Rest, Pach. Huge thanks for all you do.
Thanks, Prairie. Nice to know I can still do this stuff. Been doing so much back end work for the site, I was afraid I might have lost my blogger compass.
On the oppo research, I was notified when the Obama campaign had a known blogger in its sights, but I don’t know about any earlier stuff. That was in reaction to some coverage that was enraging them.
He’s a real post-partisan healer, that one.
Of course he is.
excellent! anytime you need a clip, just let me know!
Thanks PW.
can you tell us which blogger?
And George Bush is baseball commissioner.
I wish I had the time and fortitude to carry this further, but, unfortunately, there is so much wrong with the world that trying to parody it will only make me weep.
Leaving now to practice the way of harmony at the dojo….best to everyone and thank you PW.
Not for me to say. If this individual wants to come forward then that’s on him/her.
hi everybody,
since the law doesn’t seem to matter any more, why don’t we just start conducting ourselves according to our own rules and send all our concerns to our own President Gore? Who do we choose as Senate majority leader and speaker of the house? I want Webb as secretary of state or defense.
Who’s with me?
Yes, please do… ;-)
What happened to Martin Sheen?
ok, i only asked because it didn’t seem like a big secret with so many people knowing.
Unfortunately dosido, it has always been this way. The law is for little people.
no thank you. (see raven above). he’s a fine senator though.
That’s OK Selise, you’re still one of the cool kids! Me, I’m always late to the party…
{{{selise}}]….PW, that timeline is too good…very moving, in fact, when you really think about what might have been…and how many are dead now that would not have been.
You can tell a lot about people by watching how they react to being criticized.
……oh……
see what I mean? Late to the party…again.
slinks away to sit with Charlie Brown….
but never, i hope, one of the yucky kewl kidz.
i want to hang out with the DFH (that’s you-all) *g*
I’m on a conference call with Hillary’s campaign and she will be on in a minute. Anyone want to know what she says?
hell yes!
ok
Yeah, I support her. I Edwards is my first choice though.
Where to begin…? ;-)
Loo Hoo, will you get to ask questions?
Her people are talking about how smart she is but what a great opportunity for women and girls.
No, Ron. Just hearing what she will say.
What’s the topic of the call?
Q, tell a story about Hill they don’t know
A. People who know her are loyal, if your kids are sick, she’ll be there. (Terry)
It’s a fundraiser, basically. I really don’t know what to expect.
I have a friend at NOAA who told me a few months ago that scientists there still made to feel uncomfortable making pronouncements on climate change… not so much outright blocked anymore, but indirect, career-linked BS. These people are incorrigible, and I wouldn’t be surprised if rethug leaders and shrubco are directly behind the flat earth bloggers mentioned in the post above.
Terry McAliff, she will get results, historic moment. She will change things.
Hillary has taken the incoming. She can take it, her greatest asset. Republicans have been after her from day one, and she has taken it every time.
DON’T WORRY ABOUT IOWA!!!???
re: Hillary
I am an ardent feminist, but I would never vote for her simply because we both happen to be on the xx side of the aisle.
I guess a minute in campaign world is different than our minutes…if this goes to a new thread, I’ll move up.
And they are scared to death of her. That is why Rove has been trying like hell to alienate her from the Dems base. She is pissed and knows where the bodies are buried.
Tax breaks away from ExxonMobile, according to Terry.
Hill will not be the recipient of my Primary vote! I’m still wavering between DK and Edwards…! But, in the General, I’ll put a clothespin on, and pull her lever…
Offshore drilling. Hillary has been on it. $50 apollo project to use alternative energy sources.
Hill can be veep. She can run the senate.
You might want to send this out to your wingnut rellies. You might not convince them, but it’ll be fun to hear their heads explode.
Been there, done that. Years ago.
In the primary I’m for Edwards, or maybe Obama. In the general I think Hillary/Obama would steamroll over anyone the GOP put up.
I am reporting what Hill’s campaign is saying, not my own opinion. Plane is taxiing to a stop with Hillary on it. A minute, I doubt it!
RIght now, SanderO, I’m more concerned that the rethugs may decide that they simply don’t have a candidate and put forward Jeb or somebody at their convention.
Hillary and Bill working together, we have to get the tensions down in the middle east. She’ll bring in all of the best minds, and Bill is an asset.
Huckabee is dangerous, very dangerous.
Bill is a huge asset. For all his faults I still like him.
Hillary will get the troops out as quickly and safely as possible. It cannot be done overnight. Safety for the troops is key. Sec of Defense had to send her a letter of apology for calling her irresponsible. More Blackwater than our own troops. They are freelancing. Our prestige is ruined. Guantanamo closed right off the bat.
She will use her relationships in the middle east for diplomacy.
IIRC, Oliver North was in charge of security for the Marine barracks outside of Beirut that were suicide bombed back in late 1982. What a sack of shit Ollie has always been.
Momentarily…
You need to spend a lot of time fundraising. Historic, unique, rare opportunity.
Ask Hillary if she considers Joe Lieberman and Evan Bayh to be our potential saviors! the terrorist unrated video games are scaring this dickens out of me.
Ask Hillary why she raises a lot of money for Mark Pryor D-AR who is declared anti choice?!
Proving the old adage; “F*ck up, Move up!” Aloha ET! How many pages was Hugh’s list? ;-)
The Republicans make it up as they go along. And my party’s leadership enables that. I’m weary of politics for the night. It’s cold here and everything is ice. Good night. Merry Christmas or Happy whatevers.
Lahoma and I support the troops. Bring them home. NOW.
Healthcare, Terry says, covers everybody. Rand Corp. has the info. All about choices. You can go into plans with 250 choices???!!!
Hidden tax, spread out the costs over everyone. Doctors know the system doesn’t work. Cheaper drugs, bargain prices with Canada etc.
Hill’s up!!
Hillary now, encouraging the fundraisers. She sounds enthusiastic thanking us! (I would appreciate it too!)
{{{Loo Hoo}}}
Ask Hillary why she cannot speak up NOW with specifics on the Senate floor like Sheldon Whitehouse?
I cannot speak to her. Truly warm thanks, though. She sounds genuine, and remembering The Bridges of Madison County.
Her technicians are still tuning up the triangulatronomatic.
Ask Hillary if she plans to vote this week for one more dollar to be spent on military contractors who rape with impunity?!
(I will stop now)
One married man, his wife had parkinsons, no help. He couldn’t get insurance. She intends to change that. People should be given health care, basic right. Woman with breast cancer, got too sick to work, and lost her job. Lost job and healthcare. Wrong.
Inspired by young and old with particular problems.
One woman voter saying it would be her last election, but that if she gets healthcare she may be able to vote again.
Iraq/Afghanistan veterans will absolutely get everything they need in healthcare.
Kudos to Gore, what a great leader. We have not been led by a good admin. for the last 7 years, but we can fix it if we work together.
Campaign for all of us and for America.
Healthcare is a huge issue for those who don’t follow politics so closely. Pretty big for me too.
35 years experience, and I’ll bring it to good use.
Over, now back to fundraising.
Aloha ET! How many pages was Hugh’s list? ;-)
Less yesterday than today. When I did the scroll, it was 73 pages of 10-pt Helvetica. The scroll was about 60 feet long. I’ll update it over the holidays, when it should be about 65 feet long.
I totally agree. They (Rove) have been spinning how easy it would be to beat her, but we know that everything Rove says is backwardsspeak.
Oof, I low-balled it at 62 pages… Silly me…! ;-)
i’ve got to think of a cool way to add a pic of the scroll on hugh’s list page. suggestions welcome.
What context would the pictures have? They might work well on the list, but I think they’d dilute the impact of the scroll.
I’m gonna develop the most violent video ever, where you’re an Iranian who’s mission is to kill armies of U.S. flag burners. That should make Hillarybot’s circuitry short out! BZZZTTTT!
not sure… (and of course, since it’s hugh’s list i wouldn’t do anything without his approval)
but the list is now so long, i wonder if people loose sight of the forest while they are reading individual items. a pic of your scroll would be a way to step back and get the big picture view – that there’s been a hell of a lot wrong with the bush era.
Water Tiger is upstairs…