zed.

Bob Marley!

Bonne Soir!

Irie!

Nice choice, Suz!

Hey Suzanne!

And now goodnight for real.
{{{Suzanne}}}

Thanks to Eureka Springs who found the google video for me when we learned UTube would be down for maintenance tonight.

I like that “new post has been published” announcement at the end of the former thread. And it has a link!

g’night RonD, not far behind you here.

Teddy, that is cool isn’t it?

Well at least it wasn’t a version of Helen Reddy(sp?) singing anticipation. *s*

g’nite ronD

Preview works now too (happy dance)

clapclapclap — thanks ES

Thanks to Eureka Springs

*gasp* Aiding and Abetting the foe…? That’s treasonous…! ;-)

I found a nice jazzy piano piece on google video.”Oscar Peterson & Niels-Henning Orsted Pedersen,in”> Oscar Peterson & Niels-Henning Orsted Pedersen,in “I love you”,Live,Prague,1974.

404!

Whoops, trying Jazz link again.

I’m so used to UTube that it took me a while to figure out how to embed a Google video in a post.

Night all.

-G

Suz, I’m not even gonna try to embed a Google vid ;-)

Nite, Ron and Greg!

Fed the News Ticker with two articles (1) about a Watchdog Group taking on the military over religion and (2) NYT piece about how Gillespie is the man pushing for the confrontation over the spending impasse.

protest

cool new new thread thing :D

that’s a good one, neuro.. save it for tomorrow night and submit it

have officially run out of steam…g’night!

It’s like the night before Christmas, Suzanne. I just couldn’t wait…

standing on chair clapping for the best tech crew on the tubes for providing navagational links AND preview.

Yay for the tech crew!

good night all.

Nite, LL!

Dang, I had my stockpile of UTube protest songs all ready to go but nooooooooo, they had to do maintenance over there.

Ooh, preview does work! Yeah! Good job, techies…!

Weatherpeople are saying 100 percent chance of freezing rain tonight, up to an inch possible. Power outages likely.

Pain free sleep and dreams, Tex! *g*

dang, neuro.. that makes my 34.4 at the moment seem almost warm. almost.

thanks CT.

neuro, good luck with the weather.

pain free sleep wishes tex

Protest

Here
is my choice. Aoi Kajitsu by Doa. Of course because once again no one else bothers to utube or google vid the actual videos of the band. I’m stuck with someone who did an AMV to Final Fantasy with it. Pure and utter rebellion off their second album, Candle.

*rocks out and chair dances*

Oh, from your mouth to God’s ears. PLEASE.

*hugs TexB*

So, the %^&)&$ protest song thang will start tomorrow. M-word days – there is a reason i don’t like them.

oh bahahah! Found one again. *glares at yet again another AMV of her favorite band again* WHY do people not youtube their videos. *sighs* Such a great band and what do i get? AMVs. *pouts*

I’ll save this one for tommororw ^^ Since i can actually translate a bit of it.

alias, i figure the delay gives us one more night to stockpile for tomorrow.

Those, and Friday the 13th’s, I simply despise them… ;-)

CT, I have a particularly strong dislike for Friday, February 13th – goes back to when I as a teen.

What is AMV?

rox!

I know Anime is the ‘A’ part of AMV…

D’oh, meant ctf4

Amateur Music Video. Or Anime Music Video if used with that medium. Basically people take rendering programs like Adobe Premiere, their favorite songs and paste them together in sometimes REALLY excellent music videos. I’ll dig up a few of them as an example. There’s comedy and then some that are as well timed as the stuff the pros do for MTV or whatever. *grins* Sometimes even better.

It’s something i wanted to do, particularly with my love of visuals and sound, just as a hobby. Of course, i’m already up to my ears in OTHER hobbies that i can’t really add another just yet. The best ones take a sense of timing and patience that is near godly to get right. But when it hits? You’re either rolling on the floor laughing with glee at the comedy? or breathless at the visual feast with the music.

“Like, you should just trust the President in everything, y’know?”

;>)

last link has an extra http in it tw3k

Need more cleavage, DB!

hey db

lol!

my gui is in like slomo D:< </p>

Hi S

woohoo, UTube is back up

already?

well, some of utube is back up.. i can get some of my video’s now..

Ya just can’t make this shit up…

It is hard not to draw a line between the hostility that is being fomented in our culture from some in the secular media toward Christians and evangelicals in particular and the acts of violence that took place in Colorado yesterday.

http://thinkprogress.org/

hello! V-Chip!

It is hard not to draw a line between the hostility that is being fomented in our culture from some in the secular media toward Christians and evangelicals in particular and the acts of violence that took place in Colorado yesterday.

Really, Tony. How hard isn’t it?

“Irie” – My daughter’s name!

Not so Irie, but what a song! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5mjN32G1iI

Is secular going to be the newest addition of right wing buzz words?

Well, it’s raining hard and ice is forming on the tree branches. I’m going to bed and hoping we have power in the morning. Good night, all.

g’nite neuro – stay warm

Aloha, Neuro!

I’m going to start calling them the Fucked-up Research Council.
Really, what a pernicious group.

AC on AC 360, asked a spokesman, why did they have armed security… Sad…

I leave you with this.

They had armed security because that was the church founded by the former Rev. Ted Haggard – of the gay sex scandal – is what i heard.

man, i dig auto-focus mouse >:]

she ain’t no human bean!

Ok, pups, time for me to feed the news ticker again.

Anyone have anything that is NOT already in the ticker?

my setup ain’t dun, gui runs too slo ;’(

Hersh: children raped at Abu Ghraib, Pentagon has videos

http://www.boingboing.net/2004…..raped.html

fork… that’s gonna get a h/t CT… let me look and get it going

CT, that looks like news from july.. still digging into the link

edit.. july 2004 CT

fork… that’s gonna get a h/t CT… let me look and get it going

Mahalo, …and pass the popcorn…! ;-)

Following up on this BoingBoing post about allegations by journalist Seymour Hersh of rape and sexual abuse of minors at Abu Ghraib prison Iraq — there appears to be evidence for those claims in supporting statements that accompany the Taguba Report.

Watch out! The CIA is pushing back… This will be front and center…

CT, did you see that Boing Boing link was from July 2004?

wooohoo, found one:

Lawyers within the clandestine branch of the Central Intelligence Agency gave written approval in advance to the destruction in 2005 of hundreds of hours of videotapes documenting interrogations of two lieutenants from Al Qaeda, according to a former senior intelligence official with direct knowledge of the episode.

The involvement of agency lawyers in the decision making would widen the scope of the inquiries into the matter that have now begun in Congress and within the Justice Department. Any written documents are certain to be a focus of government investigators as they try to reconstruct the events leading up to the tapes’ destruction.

After the fact… ;-) Didja see this: ” Congress wants answers on CIA tapes!”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..otapes_121

reading it now CT

Hayden is being summoned to both Houses in closed sessions…!

that’s a good one ct – it says in the article:

Among the questions he’ll face is whether Congress was notified about the tapes’ destruction. The chairman of the House panel, Rep. Silvestre Reyes, D-Texas, said Hayden’s assertion last week that lawmakers were informed “does not appear to be true.”

i use that one next and you will get the h/t for it

I shall doff my hat, Ma Cheri! I bid ya’ll a fond adieu! Aloha Oe!!!

CT gotta h/t in the ticker for his second link

hope CT saw his h/t before he aloha’d

(Thank you FDL web developers for getting Preview working!)

Hey all. Bit of a drive-by question: So we know they said before the fact that they were thinking of destroying hundreds of hours of interrogation tapes. And we know that tapes of two subjects’ interrogations were not in USG posession when requested as evidence in the Moussaoui trial. And we know that no tapes were provided to the 9/11 Commission despite their request. So OK, maybe we don’t have ‘em any more… but has anybody acknowledged actually destroying the bulk of them? I’m wondering whether they could have instead been entrusted to (or allowed to fall into the posession of) some other country, for example intelligence in Saudi Arabia or Israel or Pakistan?

Hmmm.

hmmm, are you asking if the CIA was told the tapes were destroyed but that they were really not?

Tonight on CountDown Olbermann covered an ABC interview with a fellow named John Kiriakou, who claims to have been involved in the waterboarding of Abu Zubaydah. Olbermann portrayed him as remorseful, but I just watched the ABC interview and would characterize him as “conflicted” at best. There we admissions that it was wrong mixed with claims that it was both necessary and productive, lots of good intelligence that prevented this and that. I tend to doubt this guys authenticity.

Here is a reference to an article on this ABC interview. But further googling shows that the guy is an actor, etc.

Anyone got an impression and/or some better information on this stuff? Something is rather wierd here.

i missed the KO tonight due to a phone call :(

This
is interesting:
“UBS became the latest Western bank to seek a financial lifeline from the cash-rich East Monday, selling a stake of more than 10 percent to investors from Singapore and the Middle East as it wrote down $10 billion more in mortgage-related assets.”

I posted one to the ticker last night, Margot. it is very worrisome indeed.

Hi Suzanne. OK, sure, it’s possible parts of CIA wouldn’t have known about it. Or, everybody at CIA could know about it. All we know really is, there were tapes there once, and now we’re told there aren’t any tapes there any more. Maybe they were destroyed, or maybe they were moved elsewhere and we were just told they were moved.

We’ve been told so many lies, hmmm, that it is natural for us now to assume they are lying – the old if their lips are moving they are lying reaction is starting to emerge from a lotta folk that a year ago woud have fought any allegation of a lie as untrue.

Quite.

i am hoping the press and the dem’s smell the blood in the water from one two punch of the tapes being destroyed and the obvious bush lies about the NIE and don’t get distracted by the bright shiny thing the GOP tosses out as a distraction.

I’m behind the times!

not as far behind as CT’s july 2004 one, margot (laughing)

There’s a theory over at EW’s place I find persuasive to the effect that the Jane/Nancy thing didn’t come from the Rs, but from the same CIA element that got the NIE leaked. In other words, by exposing the dirt on the D’s, the spooks have removed the thing that Team Dick had hanging over the D’s heads. So now the D’s are freer to do the right thing than before. I guess until we, in disgust, replace them with better D’s at the soonest opportunity.

I dunno, maybe we sweep out the Establishment D’s and Nobel Peace Prize Recipient Albert Gore rides into the White House on a white frickin’ horse.

With the new torture rules in the funding bill (gee, why is that running into new trouble now?) I wonder whether the CIA is forcing a legally untenable, wholly avoidable, very public situation on Team Dick that can only result in a Dickpeachment.

EW is awesome. Larry Johnson had some stuff over at his place about CIA pushback.

Correction, wholly unavoidable.

(Maybe I should actually use the Preview…)

Double crap. I used Larry’s old bookmark – he’s moved to a snazzy looking place – here is the correct link.

hmmm, you may be interested in Larry’s most current post, which includes this:

After querying former intelligence officers and reviewing the letter from the U.S. Attorney’s in Richmond, Virginia, I can clarify some issues surrounding what’s what with respect to the question of the “destruction” of interrogation tapes and speculate on others.

For starters tt appears that the June 2005 decision of the Italian judge to issue arrest warrants for C.I.A. officers and contractors involved in the kidnapping of Hassan Mustafa Osama Nasr in 2003 may have been the precipitating incident convincing Jose Rodriguez that Agency must destroy video tapes of terrorist interrogations. That operation was conducted with the full knowledge and approval of the Italians. If the Italians could flip on us that meant anyone could.

Well, like I said, just a driveby thought-dump tonight. Hoping all y’all are doing well, staying warm, and will be dreaming sweetly tonight, I remain,

Hmmm.

well that would be peachy [pause] dick

stay warm yourself, hmmm and thanks for the driveby. i think it is possible that not all the tapes were destroyed.

*tap tap tap* anybody still out there?

no, they nap! they nap!

Here is a reference to an article on this ABC interview. But further googling shows that the guy is an actor, etc.

Anyone got an impression and/or some better information on this stuff? Something is rather wierd here.

You may have picked up on his association with Paramount, who hired him as an advisor on “The Kite Runner”. He apparently went back to Afghanistan where he served b/w 1998-2004 to find out the social impact the film might have on the people and the kids, in particular. He came back with a none too positive assessment.

But if he wasn’t a former CIA agent then I’m sure someone would have made a statement about it. He’s been critical about Bush policy in a number of interviews.

But it strongly suggests that the “interrogation” of Abu Zubaydeh in 2002 took place in Afghanistan, rather than Gitmo or elsewhere.

http://www.cfr.org/publication/14418/kiriakou.html

There’s a theory over at EW’s place I find persuasive to the effect that the Jane/Nancy thing didn’t come from the Rs, but from the same CIA element that got the NIE leaked. In other words, by exposing the dirt on the D’s, the spooks have removed the thing that Team Dick had hanging over the D’s heads. So now the D’s are freer to do the right thing than before. I guess until we, in disgust, replace them with better D’s at the soonest opportunity.

Hate to say it, but I found the theory very farfetched. One of the sources in the WashPo interview was Porter Goss, who served as the Republican Representative to the House Intelligence Committee…AND was the CIA Director when the tapes of the “interrogations” and other treatment of the detainees were destroyed. Goss was all over Pelosi…and I can guarantee you that he wasn’t one of those that had anything to do with the NIE. The phrasing by the authors of the Wash Po piece also cite an unnamed Congressional source who “was familiar with Pelosi’s views” who provided fairly detailed information about what she said and did at that that briefing.
The article didn’t say that this source was a “Democrat” or a “staffer”…so it could have been Goss, once again (making it appear that there are two individuals when in fact it was simply his “on the record” vs. his “off the record” responses).

But even if it wasn’t Goss, there is nothing that prevents it from being a Republican. And THAT source definitely isn’t a CIA source.

There is, parsimoniously, only one CIA official in that article. And that individual is most likely someone who was tasked to brief her. That could have been the formulator of the “interrogation policy”, or someone involved in the “interrogation”. This source is the critical “corroborator” of the “off the record” material…once again stating what was shown to Pelosi and Pelosi’s lack of concern expressed “at that time” (at the briefing). I suspect it was someone who crafted the policy as any actual interrogators would seem to be abroad.

That’s another reason why I don’t think that it was the same crowd that leaked the NIE. Steven Kappes was apparently opposed to the interrogation procedures and was asked by Goss, when he became director to fire a number of those in the Operations Division who were not “tough enough” against al Qaida. One of these was Deputy Director of Operations Robert Grenier, who was opposed to both the use of torture and Gitmo. When Kappes wouldn’t fire Grenier, Goss asked Kappes for his resignation…appointing Jose “Jack Bauer” Rodriguez (the one being fingered for the unauthorized destruction of the tapes) as his replacement.

So there is likely to be no love lost between Kappes and Goss. And Kappes, or another of his supporters, who might be involved in the leak of the NIE, would seem to be a different bunch than the ones who leaked the dirt on Pelosi. Essentially Pelosi is now in a position of being labeled a hypocrite if she opposes the continued use of waterboarding (”she was for it before she was against it”) which is perfect for someone who wants to MAINTAIN the BushCo policy. I don’t see how it helps at all the case for getting it banned.

After all, if one “releases” the information used to “blackmail” and it relates directly to the issue at hand then it diminishes the ability of the blackmailed individual to conceal that contradiction. And if Pelosi was actually keeping impeachment “off the table” because she was somewhat culpable in the torture policy…then how does this release actually “open up” impeachment. Rather it narrows the window even further. How can “torture” be a one of the Charges of Impeachment ? Because the leaders of both Houses of Congress “approved” of it.