That’s good. You are covering it.

But, you use it to shill for donations?

What ARE you folks in here becoming?

A MONEY raising arm of a progressive lite consortium?

Sorry, but FDL, I’m a torches and pitchfork kinda progressive, and I don’t LIKE the fact that you seem to be running more fundraising schticks than PBS does!!!!!!!

With THIS particular issue, I’d think you’d be spearheading a smear of the MSM, and organizing a sit in in front of Pelosi’s house with Code Pink, and BLANKETING CA with this news that Pelosi SOLD US OUT on impeachment, cuz SHE’S IMPEACHABLE!!!!!!

I would have thought, that FDL would have SWARMED CA with a drive to recall Pelosi, censure her, and hold the CA DEM PARTY accountable for her sell out of our Rebublic!!!

But all I get is a fundraising pitch.

Should I just cut the check to A*P*C?

FDL has gone progressive lite.

Your beltway elitism is showing under yer silken robes, gals.

What a shame, you COULD have led a movement for the people, by the people.

Instead, it appears yer stuffin the wallets of the same-o -ame 1% who think they lord over us all.

Your change is of very little value to we the people . . . your change will likely benefit YOU, and a few, and not the masses.

I’m glad we had this talk, FDL.

But yer fired. Yer not operating in our best interests.

Good luck with the supper parties and the cocktail weiners.
N tip the help, please, after yer done beating them to death.

It’s what the royals always do.

So now what do we do? In 2005 it was Kos that was hand wringing and saying we could not just get out. We had to fix our mistake said Kos and Company. Looks fixed to me, how about you? Not. Now Matt Stroller is saying we have to stop the war by killing it with a thousand pricks – you can make your own pun.

As I said in 2005. It all fine and good setting here in safety, counting angels on a pinhead, while others are dying because we just don’t get it. Bush does not get it, he skipped out on his chance to really understand war and join me and others in Vietnam. Most of the Neocons do not get it for the same reason. The rest of America does not get it becasue they do not want to. We just slip into a voluntary amnesia induced by the Anesthetizers – those who entertain us with sports, TV, Music, and Movies.

Yes there is blood on our hand, and like the Lady, who would have thought there was so much blood in them.

In our society we jump to use the phrase, Kick Some A–. We think that war is a game to win, we have to be # one. Well we are number one. We export more weapons to the rest of the world than anyone. We are number one in fighting lame wars against third world countries. We are first at supporting dictators and giving them chemical and biological weapons, looking the other way while they use those weapons on their own people, and then going to war against them when it suits us.

Yeah, I want to be on that winning team, don’t you? Well we are.

No equivication for Pelosi or Reed. We must demand that everything come to a hault until the troops start coming home. No meassured steps. The lives of our troops are more important that an office or a job. There are no excuses. We can all seek other offices and jobs, those who fall for a useless cause can not seek another life. Enough real blood was actually on my hands as I worked as a medic during the 68 Tet offensive, I need no more.

I am willing to go without my VA Disabilty for a couple of months if it means the troops get home one day earlier. Sending cookies is not sacrifice. I send cookies – I liked cookies from home in 67/68 – but that is not sacrifice. Shut the governemnt down. Stop the subsidy payments to agribusiness, stop it all.

The democratic “leadership” needs to get the message loudly. I blog in anonimity and am deleted when I say things like there are blood on all of our hands. You have the platform. Use it. Everyday the war drags on is just more blood. “Out Out damned spot.”

Bob in HI

it is not useful to be making false accusations. It is true about many democrats, perhaps as many as half. But there are many good democrats in Congress. We need to be more discerning to support the good and flush out the bad.
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If the Democrats do not repeal the Military Commissions Act — and they will not — and you support them in 2008, you are supporting evil. To that extent, you are evil yourself.

This elides the fact that there is really no such thing as “the Democrats”. There is a Democratic Party, and there are politicians and voters who are members of this political party. We know that the next President is going to be either the Republican or Democratic nominee. And we also know that, in the aggregate, there are a lot more authoritarians and corporatists in the Republican Party than in the Democratic Party.

Thus, short of insurrection, the best chance we have for ameliorating this situation is to support the Democratic Party in 2008. Drawing an analogy between Germans who didn’t actively oppose the Nazis and Americans who vote for Democratic candidates is the worst sort of fear-mongering.

As I have observed, there is no “lesser” evil now, when one understands what the two major parties in fact represent. As for those who still insist that the Democrats represent the only hope for “saving” the U.S. government from “within the system” — a belief which can be maintained only by denying facts on a massive scale and by blinding oneself to the lessons history teaches repeatedly — I refer you to this statement from one German, noted in Milton Mayer’s, They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-1945, and excerpted in my essay, “Thus the World Was Lost”:

“Yes,” said my colleague, shaking his head, “the ‘excesses’ and the ‘radicals.’ We all opposed them, very quietly. So your two ‘little men’ thought they must join, as good men, good Germans, even as good Christians, and when enough of them did they would be able to change the party. They would ‘bore from within.’ ‘Big men’ told themselves that, too, in the usual sincerity that required them only to abandon one little principle after another, to throw away, little by little, all that was good. I was one of those men.

“You know,” he went on, “when men who understand what is happening–the motion, that is, of history, not the reports of single events or developments–when such men do not object or protest, men who do not understand cannot be expected to. How many men would you say understand–in this sense–in America? And when, as the motion of history accelerates and those who don’t understand are crazed by fear, as our people were, and made into a great ‘patriotic’ mob, will they understand then, when they did not before?

“We learned here–I say this freely–to give up trying to make them understand after, oh, the end of 1938, after the night of the synagogue burning and the things that followed it. Even before the war began, men who were teachers, men whose faith in teaching was their whole faith, gave up, seeing that there was no comprehension, no capacity left for comprehension, and the thing must go its course, taking first its victims, then its architects, and then the rest of us to destruction….”

I do not want to be misunderstood on this point, so let me state it as plainly as I can. The time is long since past for every minimally decent American to take a stand: either you are on the side of civilization and humanity, and the irreplaceable, supreme value of an individual human life — or you are on the side of evil, brutality, torture, sadism, genocidal war, and endless death. The Democrats and the Republicans both stand for Empire, and for the endless horrors already inflicted — and the endless horrors that still lie in our future. If the Democrats do not repeal the Military Commissions Act or at least try to do so, and if you still support them in the 2008 elections, then you are on the side of all these horrors as well.

If the Democrats do not repeal the Military Commissions Act — and they will not — and you support them in 2008, you are supporting evil. To that extent, you are evil yourself.

At this terrible moment in history, we must call things by their proper names. Let the world know where you stand: for life, and the possibility of joy and happiness — or for death, and cruelty, barbarism and the repetition of horrors that the monsters among us insist on reviving when given the opportunity.

If you choose to support evil and to embody evil yourself, I suggest you follow the vile example of the current administration: do so without apology, and brazenly revel in the evil you choose to inflict on the world. It is far more contemptible — and, to speak personally, it is sickening beyond my capacity to describe accurately , in significant part because of the complex psychological dishonesties that are required — to enable evil, while claiming you represent the “moral” and “practical” choice. These are the justifications used by those who made possible the cruelest and most unspeakably horrifying regimes in history, as Mayer’s witness and many others attest.

No. In support of Pachacutec’s crap lumping all Americans as guilty by association with bush’s atrocities, you’re too accuse me and others of guilt in bush regime atrocities. I don’t give a rat’s ass what you think, but I reject accusations of associated guilt with the bush regime just because I was born and raised in America. I and others have done what we could to fight back.

And I think it’s wise not to put me down. Different views… of the same territory. (who is to say who has done more and in what ways?)

I don’t have a mere different view than you. You can assume your own guilt all you want – that’s between you and your conscience, but if you do have blood on your hands, that doesn’t mean you can project your guilt onto others. Misery may love company, but keep it to yourself..
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Which is why Republicans and conservatives are among the biggest funders of the Green Party in the US. The Pennsylvania Green Party was in fact 100% Republican funded.

The Democratic Party acts as if it is 100% A*PAC funded – so what a quandary?

Can’t support the Greens, because Republicans in Pennsylvania support them.

Can’t support Democrats, because they are complicit in torture and a certain powerful Lobby has them calling for another criminal war against a country that poses no threat to the USA.

what to do in order to promenade around as someone pure in moral hygeine?

(D) politics is clearly not the answer anymore, is it?

Pach and Greenwald have led you to the water, and can’t be dismissed with insults, ad hominems, or insinuations that what they say is just “right wing talking points.”