Deb Howell, hard-hitting Whiffle-bat ombusdman of the Washington Post, has finally gotten around to addressing the concerns raised about the paper’s Nov. 26 front pager, "Foes Use Obama’s Muslim Ties to Fuel Rumors About Him." These concerns centered upon the fact that the story was total bullshit. Obama has no "Muslim ties" and the idea that the Post was putting an entire story on the goddamn front page based entirely on paranoid wingnut bigotry was pretty freaking embarrassing.
So thank Christ for Howell, who has a well-deserved reputation for pouncing on any inane crap published in her newspaper with all the fierceness of a de-clawed kitten sick with gum disease and the flu. Howell admits that the story had its faults:
My problems with the story by National Desk political reporter Perry Bacon Jr. and the headline… were that Obama’s connections to Islam are slender at best; that the rumors were old; and that convincing evidence of their falsity wasn’t included in the story.
A minor detail, that — the absence of any "convincing evidence." But I suppose we can forgive that little oopsie. For, as Howell hastens to assure us, "there was no deliberate ’smear job,’ as some readers charged." Whew!
Of course if we were feeling uncharitable we might observe that for all practical purposes the effect of the Post passing along a smear job based on rumors is just as bad as the Post deciding to launch a smear of its own. A smear is a smear is a smear, but a smear given sidewise legitimacy by the Washington Post — now, that’s a successful smear, as any student of the 1990s anti-Clinton lunacies could tell you.
But the joys of Howell’s column don’t end there. For openers, Howell didn’t actually get any comments from Bacon, the author of the story, but from his editor, Bill Hamilton. Bacon was presumably too busy digging for new material in the Townhall comments sections and Howell, always the soul of tact and discretion, didn’t want to bother him. Hamilton though sure does give a convincing rebuttal to the story’s critics:
"I’m sorry it was misunderstood," he said. "It obviously makes me think about how I edited it. It seemed to me the story made clear that Obama was not a Muslim but that the campaign was having trouble contending with people spreading that rumor. I thought that in this context saying it was a rumor meant it wasn’t true, but clearly some people didn’t see it the same way. The Post has a responsibility to confront seemingly credible rumors and that was one of the reasons for the story….
"Reasonable people can disagree on this. But the people I have heard from are not reasonable. What I find especially disheartening is the idea that our motives are simply assumed to have been malicious."
To which I cheerfully respond, with utmost civility, "bite me." I don’t care about his motives, or Bacon’s, frankly: I question their judgment and intelligence and inability to understand his basic fucking job description. "Reasonable people" know that the stories about Obama in the madrassa were nonsense from the start. Hell, as Howell herself manages to note, even Howard Kurtz was able to pick up on the crapitude of this story, and Howard Kurtz is a smarmy little two-faced dipshit.
This is not trivial stuff, either. America’s major media outlets are supposed to be telling the truth, not laundering politically motivated rumormongering by invoking some halfwit concept of "balance."
A lazy press fascinated with "rumor" as much as news is insanely dangerous. How many Americans still believe Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11? How many Americans told Rasmussen that despite last week’s NIE blockbuster they are still convinced Iran is working on nuclear weapons? Answer: too goddamn many, much to the delight of wingnut maniacs across the Internets. A harsher indictment of our major news media, I can’t even begin to imagine.
But then, if screwing up on Iraq so miserably didn’t get the WaPo to get its "sophisticated political reporters" to rethink what the hell they’re doing, then what will? The only thing that even makes them blink seems to be impolite emails. Lots of dead people, meh, irate bloggers, oh noes! That’s fascinating, right there, in a totally sickening sort of way.
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Thers!
Dang, Suz! You don’t want the Zed?
Not fair if I take the zed when working backstage, CT.
wingery wtf!
*spitting* lil debbie can kiss my ass. if she doesn’t like it when the customers ask for the truth, she needs to find a new profession.
I love your ethics… *g* Unlike, the wingnuts that populate the Beltway…!
werez the acct modify page?
werez the acct modify page?
huh? you mean the profile modification here at the Lake?
ah, no select nicks this time around
My problems with this thread and the author Thers are that Howell’s connections to Journalism are slender at best; that the rumors of her being a real oumbudsman were very, very old; and that convincing evidence of or against their falsity weren’t included in the story.
jup
voa!
Dang, Deb! Your own in-house Political Cartoonist eviscerated that tripe the next day… *g*
you’re a model of brevity this evening…
Thers, from your link:
Twenty-nine percent (29%) of liberal voters believe that Iran has stopped its weapons program but 54% disagree.
Who decided the parameters for “liberal”? I call bullshit.
Our problems with the story is that Lil Debbie is not a real ombudsman and would not know the truth if it bit her.
Debbie and Gerson and Hiatt and Novak and Broder and a few more are Mockingbirds. The Government Controlled Washington Post has a 60 year history of secretly promoting the Military Industrial Complex.
Sadly, the overall consensus pegged it at only 18% believe Iran ceased it’s WMD program…
From Answers.com
The whole point of being in the news business is to verify that which is unsubstantiated and to point out that which is being presented as true. Somehow, I think neither Howell nor Hamilton know the difference between a rumor and a lie.
And their bosses apparently don’t care that they don’t know the difference.
DING
vino ;p
vino ;p
has the opposite effect on me…
“What I find especially disheartening is the idea that our motives are simply assumed to have been malicious.”
No, our assumption is that you are an ignorant editor working with an idiot writer.
a fine port and a dark roast bean :)
has the opposite effect on me… making mental note to ply ET with vino
Over at Emptywheel they’re discussing the upcoming WaPo article on Nancy Pelosi knowing about torture way back…
I’ll find the Kos link.
I call bullshit on the entire poll. There is a certain percentage which I would expect to see (say, around 28%) but I’m not buying the 18% figure.
Maybe they took the poll an hour after news of the NIE was released or something. I refuse to believe this one.
hrm, it’s nice 2 b on linux agin ;0 fuk mac!
Pelosi briefed on waterboarding.
‘lil Debbie is nutty. Hope she snacks on this post.
For years, I’ve felt this is perhaps the most important issue facing our slow slide into Fascism. Without this control over “respected” news outlets, the American electorate would laugh the neocons, might as well just say modern-day Republicans, into obscurity. They would never hold any offices. “DLC Dems” would be called Republicans, and Russ Feingold would considered a centrist.
If the quest for truth was the motivation of the Press, this is how things would be, and we wouldn’t have most of the problems we have today as a society.
Thanks for highlighting the issue so well.
I don’t think that Pelosi has anything into between her ears.
Or she is the most dishonest slim wart ever. Ever!
blarg, not setup yet :(
But she looks so grandmotherly in the Chanel suits and the tasteful pearls! /s
I agree 100%, I’d thought the same figure 28% of the Faux Spew/Bushites… I was disappointed to see such a low number, particularly, when El-Baradei has been saying it for years…
It makes me weep.
me too.
Do you have an itenerary for your NOLA trip yet?
Pearls got dissed when Bab’s was wearing em all the time. I saw the pearls on Nancy and thought, no, its just my preconceived prejudice against Bab’s pearls …
Aargh! I’m a’waiting the Wapoo article… ;-)
i like pearls.
i don’t like speaker pelosi.
Hey gang, I need a little OT help:
I’m pinch hitting for Christy tomorrow morning and I can’t find the place that publishes the Sunday morning gabfest lineup Saturday night, early. Can anyone help? I’ve been googling and am stuck.
Glad I read the comments, before I hit the submit button with the same post.
Looks like we are pushing it into the middle of January. One daughter is coming with me. The other will be in India.
Yeah, but it was hard to see Bab’s pearls, what with that trukey neck thing going on. Petty, yes, but would it kill her to take a bit of care with her appearance? It’s usually never a good thing to look like your husband’s mother. Just sayin…
I’m waiting for the WaPo too, CTuttle. This is too crazy.
And TW3k, I think you’re right about the poll too.
been sitting here refreshing the wapo link (as much as i hate to give them the hits).
That may actually work better, the kids will be back in school. Let me know when you do.
Pach, maybe Christy does them all individually? Googles Meet the Press, Fox News Sunday, etc?
She and George Senior both had Hasimoto’s disease. Thyroid thingie. Couldn’t have happen to a lovelier couple. It effected them each in a different way. Also explains her bludging eyes.
You’re such a Patriot! 8-)
OK, let’s see: We have a top-tier candidate for president and the DC paper says on the front page that he has “Muslim ties.” They didn’t say “alleged Muslim ties.”
And the WaPo is crying foul? We’re being mean to the poor WaPo?
Jeez.
will see what i can find pach
That was odd . . . comment just disappeared. Let me try again.
Try these, Pach — I didn’t put them in as links, so as not to get them caught in the filters.
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Program…..index.html
http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/ftn/main3460.shtml
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/
http://www.foxnews.com/fns/index.html
Loo Hoo, you still around? I need some advice from an experienced educator.
TV guide.
I’ve never seen a complete list published anywhere, but I have seen that information on individual websites.
Meet the Press: Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R) joins us for the full hour in an exclusive, in-depth interview — marking the tenth installment of our “Meet the Candidates” Series
peter, it got caught anyway – i freed it
I guess if the congressional leadership enabled war crimes, it would explain their behavior; including “off the table”.
I suppose one of the new features of the redesigned ‘Lake is that the old “your comment is awaiting moderation” message no longer is given.
Anyway, Pach . . . YGM with the links.
I’ll try!
There was some way I cheated last time where they were all published together. I know Atrios cheats and uses it too but I don’t wanna bug him.
But we can do it together, pull all the snippets of the guestss on schedule, and I’ll make a post!
Looking better everyday.
http://www.cindyforcongress.org/
Here’s Tom Toles’ take on the Obama story, published the next day… *g*
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..e=11302007
It would explain a whole lot, including why Harmon was taken off the intelligence committee.
Do you FB, or rather via e-mail?
There’s a cheat? dayam
ABC
THIS WEEK
In a Sunday exclusive, George talks with Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. The 2008 presidential hopeful will give his take on the new National Intelligence Estimate on Iran and discuss his campaign for the Democratic nomination.
Then, in another exclusive, former Speaker Newt Gingrich, R-Ga., will give his perspective on the week’s news.
On our “Classic Roundtable,” Sam Donaldson, Cokie Roberts and George Will debate the week’s politics.
XXX at XXX dot com, madmommy.
Then, Suz, if you can please erase when madmommy gets it?
Hard refresh, and there are links at 53 to the Sunday morning shows.
Happy coincidence re: Bab’s neck was her return from thyroid surgery with most of the wattle gone. In those days the media kept telling us how cute she was.
Got it, thanks!
has been XXX’d loohoo
WaPo is up, but I don’t see a Pelosi story.
How did we unknowingly elect so many horrid people? Did 911 addle their brains? I have heard all kinds of reasons but ….. shit…..
Nancy needs to review her interpretation of waterboarding by giving it a try.
Love ya, Suz!
shouldn’t have put a space in my name, MM.
I wonder how far away from the War Crime, can an enabler still be indicted and prosecuted? If Pelosi knew about torture and prisoner abuse in 2002 could she be charged?
The crux of the problem with today’s media in one sentence.
clinton started the whole extraordinary rendition thing – kidnap someone, then take them to egypt to be tortured and/or executed.
i suppose i shouldn’t be surprised that our congressional dems would go along.
still though, i am so very disappointed.
Yes, they’re subsequently paying for their ‘Play Along to Get Along’ mentality, which has infected the Body Politic… Culpability rears it’s ugly head… 8-(
Was Clinton the first president to do this? Why did he do this?
How do you clean up a government that is absolute in its corruption?
Seems like Pelosi would be pretty far down the list of people guilty of a crime. Just knowing about a crime isn’t really like committing it…but in terms of respectability, honor, patriotism, adherence to the Constitution, that’s another issue.
Let’s hope the Kos diarist was full of it.
‘Fair and Balanced’…? Bwhahaha… *g*
is it better or worse that speaker pelosi says (according the diary, sourcing the wapo) that she does not recall specifically being briefed on waterboarding. ?
Well, Pelosi sounds just like Bush — he doesn’t remember either.
I’d give her the benefit of the doubt, Selise! However, highly contingent upon future statements and/or deeds!!!
Maybe she didn’t know what waterboarding was. Sort of like not knowing the contents of the patriot act.
here’s the jane mayer piece i’ve quoted before (from the new yorker):
there’s a lot more at the link, but this gives you the idea.
Pach –
MTP = Ghouliani
Snuffleufagus – Gingrich Biden
Face = Jay Rockefeller, Chuck Hagel
Late Edition doesn’t seem to be up yet
And Brokaw’s got a two-hour special on “1968″ Sunday night on the History Channel
yes, maybe the article is untrue. here’s hoping.
hiccups.
Barbara Bush in pearls.
Nancy Pelosi in pearls.
No commentary…
My money’s on Schieffer and Face the Nation for time worth spending…anybody know why he only gets a half hour? He’d mop up both Russert and Snuffy if he had an hour head-to-head, methinks.
Thanks everyone, I got it from y’all!
Putting something together for the morning now.
Loo Hoo, you’ve got mail. I didn’t put the space in, figured it was supposed to be run together.
Thers is running late from an event he was attending and is hustling trying to get back to the Lake.
Glad the Late Nite Pups were able to help you out, Pach.
Looks like Late Edition at CNN has not published its guests other than Musharraf yet.
If memory serves, the senior Bushes had Grave’s, not Hashimoto’s.
Schieffer’s departing comments rivals KO’s SCs’ these days… ;-)
I think getting as many people as possible to ignore Conglomerate Media and getting their info from places like FDL will help tremendously. Along with intense financial and word-of-mouth support for Blue America, and the “more and better Democrats” theme might actually do it, if sustained for the long haul.
For guaranteed nightmares, think about what it would be like right now if the Netroots would never had developed. Certainly, the ‘06 elections would’ve been much different with Repubes probably even gaining seats, and we’d probably already dropping bombs on Iran.
We’ve come so far in such a short period of time, and with little money. We’re just getting warmed up IMHO, but we do need to increase our numbers (A LOT!) to take this to the next phase.
ATTACCCKKKKKK!!!!
The full WaPo article is finally up.
snark
Face the Nation got Sen. Rockefeller’s first name wrong. Per emptywheel, it’s
JayJelly Rockefeller, (D-WV)./snark
THERS, thanks for a rock’n post!
I’m going to spotlight it to Lil Debbie
No one says fuck except meHowell andFred Hiatta few of her closest friends at the Compost.You are right. I’m dyslexic. I get them mixed up. Or myxedema-ed up.
Ok, I saw the spotlight over at emptywheel’s. Can someone help me out?
Don’t forget to Digg this post to drive it up to the top of their news – really helps spread the word.
i think i’m going to be sick.
G’nite, all. Tomorrow’s a work day . . . maybe.
(We got some ice this evening in KC, with more predicted overnight.)
I don’t believe Pelosi’s denial of knowledge of these criminal acts.
I’m dealing with a breaking story up here regarding the candidate who just filed as a Democrat to run against Ted Stevens in the US Senate race. Ray Metcalfe, a former state representative, is the greatest muckraker in our state’s history. I’ve been interviewing him for a story. Some of the information he’s provided indicates that both the Democratic Party candidates running against Diane Benson in the Dem primary for our sole US House seat, sat on 100 or more pages of criminal information – the stuff that led to the FBI busts here – for a year, apparently doing nothing with it.
Thanks. I needed that.
Thanks, I did. I digg under a different name than BooRadley.
many of us do, boo.
Ya know, I had never been much of a Tom Brokaw fan, since as a major news anchor, he was a face to this massive decline in journalism that happened while he was big time. But, I heard him recently on Air America with Rachel Maddow, and I’ve never such positive sentiment expressed about blogs and the New Media from a Conglomerate lackey as Brokaw said that day.
He talked about the revolutionary aspect of it, and how needed that is, and how he gets a lot of info from blogs now. Should help more “mainstream” folks feel better about checking out the Netroots.
I only have one name and its Mary McCurnin. Too late to turn back now.
any idea why?
Hmmm… Harman seems to be the lone exception…
Interesting…
any dem who knew about this and did nothing – i want them out of any leadership role in congress. and preferably out of congress all together.
Hey, BooRadley, haven’t seen you since day one of the new place, on the Tbogg thread. what the hell happened to us? Was that in fun or are they seriously fucking crazy?
And Nancy thinks she has problems with Codepink now. Ha! Go get her girls!
any dem who knew about this and did nothing – i want them out of any leadership role in congress. and preferably out of congress all together.
is why finding progressive candidates to run in the primaries against the machine is so important.
A perfectly understandable reaction.
Nancy is way too smart not to have seen this coming. It’s what Cheney and Pat Roberts did to Jelly Rockefeller and other Dems on the Sen. Intelligence Committee. In corporations, they call it “taking prisoners.”
I doubt she’ll do it, but since she’s going to take a hit anyway, why not put Impeachment back on the table? She’s clean on all the Libby stuff. impeaching Bush/Cheney will distract from where she and other Vichy Dems are vulnerable.
Ah, I have the other CNN guests.
Much appreciated, in my case it was more by accident than by design.
Heh, ‘Vichy’, how apropo… 8-)
gonna share or do we have to wait to find out in your post tomorrow morning?
It’s twue. It’s twue.
Ah..Jeebus…this just gets worse…now Rodriguez is involved with Reyes’ brother or something…
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/…../#comments
I’m pooped. Good night all!
Good night Mad.
did you see the think progress update, loohoo:
or
Don’t go away Mad.
I wonder if the “speech or debate clause” Constitutional protection, would protect a member of Congress who gave a speech blowing the whistle on these criminals. Would Bush’s self serving “state secret” bullshit trump the Constitution? I guess with the Roberts’ Court, it would.
g’nite MadMommy
Things kinds got mixed up at 132!!!!
any idea why?
Do you mean Pelosi or the Alaska folks?
I saw Brokaw make similar comments recently, too, bonkers, either on msnbc or cnn. He’s making that point beyond just progressive talkers.
G’night, pups.
well, i was asking you about the alaska folks – why would they sit on it.
but, if you have something to opine on wrt to speaker pelosi, i’m all
earseyes.MM, you’ve got mail X2.
Hmmm…we’ll see if this story has legs, but it’s interesting that all of sudden we might be having several DemocratIC “scandals?” We know no matter how loose the connection is, or how unproven a rumour is, if a Dem is involved it’ll spread wider than Larry Craig’s stance.
Let’s see if more pop up in the near future. Could the Noize Machine be cranking up for campaign season?
Hey, and hi Mommybrain,
Can you be more specific? If not, that’s ok, too.
I swear that sh*t is industrial grade pixie dust… However, it hinges on Kennedy, once again! Ain’t Sandra pissing mad these days…
Let’s see if more pop up in the near future. Could the Noize Machine be cranking up for campaign season?
yeap, i think they were stunned earlier in the week by the NIE. must be getting the machine cranked up.
I agree.
I have no sympathy for Sandra.
i haven’t even read the whole article yet. i read one bit and then have to step away.
Hi Mommybrain.
Later in the thread, one of TBogg’s people really stepped up big for you and me. He took fire from one guy who was sniping at you and me, but he was a pro, put’em in his place.
As far as I can tell, the real acrimony has passed, because now they know TBogg’s in charge. Pach’s been over there and some others. The number of comments is way down and I think that’s the style everybody over there wants.
Hey, she did step down for her seriously Alzhiemer afflicted hubby… It was a real conflict of family values… Kudos to her and her decision…
Disturbing how journalism is now just a giant game of tit for tat. Searching for truth is the farthest thing for most of these stenographer’s minds. We gotta turn the heat up on them!
If the media buys into the wurlitzer and blames the dems for bush’s forking criminal acts, i’m .. i’m… i’m gonna be totally fricking pissed off.
from my earlier comments next door at emptywheel:
when i can read the article without freaking out, i’m going to try to figure out who the sources are… if my wag above is correct, i would expect it to be republicans and/or their supporters.
I am sorry about her husband but the country needed her to stay.
the dems do share in the blame – if clinton started the whole rendition thing, and then dems in congress covered up for bush. how can that be anything other than shared blame?
I agree.
Then they covered up for Clinton as well.
Are you sure Pappy Bush didn’t start it…
they can share in the blame but the entire sordid mess is not theirs.. the rethugs came in and took what clinton started as extraordinary and made it SOP
Has our government been doing this all along?
mary mcc, i think that the question everyone is hesitating on asking.
there’s nothing i’m sure of. but jane mayer is an excellent reporter and, as far as i know, the newyorker fact checkers are second to none.
Too long… 8-(
Hi Christine. On Tbogg’s first day I had gone over to check out the comments. They were all snarky and dissing our house. I jumped right in with what I thought was an appropriate post. It wasn’t pretty but I still have no idea if they hate me (apparently, I’m teh stupid) or were welcoming me. Boo, too. He got the worst (best?I so can’t tell with them) of it. Not being a Tboggian, I am, as they so helpfully pointed out, clueless and tonedeaf. (my comment is at 241, Boo’s is somewhere around there, too.)
we don’t know how many times clinton did it…. but if clinton set the precident then he is probably more to blame. there’s just no way of getting around this one – unless our info is incorrect.
Thanks for all the help, gang!
Does anyone have the new address for Trex? I thought I saw it here earlier, but cannot find it.
http://www.iamtrex.com/
selise, even if clinton was the one who started it, it does not excuse the r’s taking what he started as an extraordinary event to a specific issue and making it SOP for all folks boosh/cheney don’t like.
clinton started it
bush made it an every day event that is no big deal in their world
its like the guy who invented the revolver and started the company being blamed for the shooting deaths by the company’s next CEO.
Straignt from the nunnery, there mommybrain! And I thought it was very pretty.
Bum link or they removed it. What did it say?
thank you!
From this quoted section, it looks as though Nancy and other Dems are going to fight this. From the Compost:
Pach let them know to mind their manners too…
“FDL regulars, please take note: respect the tribal customs here at the neighboring village!
Tbogg regulars, if you want, save the link to this comment, so you can remind people the Inca asshole said so.”
Love the Lake… *g*
They’ve been setting the table for precisely that. By brushing much of what Shrub does under the rug, and making passing reference to these things while simultaneously saying in effect, “Move along, there’s nothing to see here!” John Q Nascar still has no idea what the killers have done to the Constitution and to people all over the world in our names.
They’ve been able to keep the Repube “brand” from being tarnished too much, despite massive, massive failures on their parts. And, since the Noize Machine has spent the last 30 years actively framing public discourse to belittle Dems, it won’t be hard for them to continue down that track, with the unquestioning public going along for the ride.
Saw some clip the other day from Newt Gangrene where they were all going on and on about the Liberal Media, and the Liberal Media that. Seen some others like that as well recently. Felt strange to hear so much of that again.
Not sure it’s gonna work for them this. We’re getting more and more organized all the time, and we call them on the bullshit. Lil Debbie ain’t seen Nut-in yet!
I kinda got behind writing MM. Is it still up?
Clinton-Bush/Cheney
Slippery Slope
It was there, and now there are no posts showing…maybe they’re uploading something. Anyway, here is a link from that post:
http://harpers.org/archive/2007/12/hbc-90001879
Who’s Sandra?
Sandra Day O’Conner
I find the 2nd paragraph highly troubling……
i don’t think clinton’s actions excuse bush’s. but we don’t know how many times it was done under clinton vs. bush. and i blame clinton a bit more for starting it, and putting in place the legal justification for it. and i blame the dems for covering up for bush.
yeah, bush is probably guilty as hell. but he couldn’t have done it without the complicity of dems (at least that’s how it looks at the moment).
Thanks Mommybrain,
Hey thanks for the great answer — I was actually there too, but completely undone by the distain for our house. You rock.
Chris
Suz:
If the media buys into the wurlitzer and blames the dems for bush’s forking criminal acts, i’m .. i’m… i’m gonna be totally fricking pissed off.
I don’t think anyone’s buying what the wurlitzer has to spin anymore. I don’t think most people really have internalized that they don’t trust the media on political matters, but they just don’t trust them. Yes, they trust them on the mall shootings and celebrity gossip type stuff, but the heavy political news, I don’t think so.
They call us “klatchers”…Heh!
there are always conflicts when families that have lived in separate abodes move into the same house.
Speaking of Newtie, I heard him in a recent clip painting Liberals as cocktail party lovers, with such disdain dripping from his serpent tongue. Code: elitist Liberals think down on you lowly viewers. We Repubes are just like you, so vote for us.
Typical Repube tactic of projecting your problems onto your opponent, facts be damned:
http://www.washingtonian.com/b…..ngrich.jpg
I definitely see a cock in the photo, and some tail in the photo. Oh, and also it looks like there’s some alcohol on the table as well! Newtie’s a cocktail party floosey!
It’s kinda hard to bring up impeachment for something like destroying the CIA tapes, when the Majority Chairman of the Intelligence Oversight Committee is great friends with the guy that supposedly ordered the tapes to be destroyed, and the guy is now supposedly working with the Chairman’s brother…
If that is true…this is bad, bad, bad. But, it might not be. It sounds like there is a huge smear campaign goin’ on. Rover’s out there roamin’ around….
Ding!
I miss you guys. Since all of the big changes, I’m having a hard time adjusting and I just can’t feel the vibe yet. But I “read” you all every day.
Classic Cancerian here, homebody, and I don’t embrace change all that well. But I’m trying…
hang around, LL. got a great LLN song going up soon (if i do say so myself).
Yeah, my summary was probably a little too optimistic.
Same here….. but also back to work and that has been cutting into my “play time”
smearly a little misunderstabbng…
*perk*
Ok Suz, I’ll hang — eta?
very very soon LL
Late Late Nite is up
Suz, good thing I don’t have to report for my overtime gig until 3 PM *g*
Hi Suzanne,
So wise. Thanks. What a week! We’ve been “moving” for over a year, so I know what pain is involved. Love the new place.
Chris
AAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!
707! Love you, punaise
heya, Mommyb, Mary, SUz, LL, urrbody….
Whew! What a night that was at TBogg. Hadn’t read that blog before. It will be interesting to see if we have anything in common with those folks. It was basically just a couple of people fighting with you and Boo that night. Spectators did not speak up!
LS:
If that is true…this is bad, bad, bad. But, it might not be. It sounds like there is a huge smear campaign goin’ on. Rover’s out there roamin’ around….
Me- and he’s trying to turn things so that the dems wanted to rush to war before the election in 2002. Thinking maybe someone will buy it. I watched Rove telling this BS to Charlie Rose, and he could hardly keep from laughing. He was just having a good ol time thinking everyone would buy it on accounta he said it.
CNN a few days ago had to issue an apology for a graphic which identified the city were the mall shooting took place as Obama,Nebraska, instead of Omaha. MSM is doing its best to sink Barack Obama’s candidacy. The WaPo piece,is just a blatant example with the same purpose.
Really, ceci? Got a link on that?
And then there was, of course, the unsuccessful effort to arrange for the rendition of bin Laden from Sudan back to Saudi Arabia before the attacks on the US Embassies in East Africa. The Saudis refused, principally because they knew that bin Laden would become a lightning rod for dissent against their regime. They preferred “exile” over extradition.
I’m not an Obama supporter but was outraged by the hatchet job by Bacon. The ombudsman piece is even worse. It is sad to see what was once a world class paper sinking into the Newscorp morass.
Well if WaPo is looking for response, they got it. She got almost as much e-mail as the original article.
Okay Regarding hat WashPo story….we have one official, Porter Goss. Who states that he was fully briefed and seems to be one of the likely sources for this story about Pelosi being in on the “virtual tour”. Of course, Goss was CIA Director when the interrogation tapes were destroyed, so could it be that he has no little interest in blocking a Congressional Investigation into the issues of the tapes. The other “official”, I would guess, was the one who did the “virtual tour” of the interrogations. This was likely one of those who conducted or supervised the interrogations.
My suspicion is that the other individual who encouraged increased measures (one was Goss) was Roberts. Rockefeller and Pelosi, IF they were present through the whole briefing, and IF the techniques were fully described on the “virtual tour”, remained silent. This does not imply they approved, as any effective protest would not have been lodged to the individual administering the interrogations, but to their SUPERIORS. That’s what Harman did, she sent a letter protesting the use of these “enhanced techniques”.
So it may be that the techniques were not fully covered (and those who are commenting to the WashPo have special interests in distorting this). It may be that the procedures were described and Pelosi did lodge a protest, but not to the “interrogator”.
Finally it could be that it’s exactly what the “interrogator” and Porter Goss told the reporters from Wash Po….and that Senior Democrats had no issue with the waterboarding. But it’s strange that Goss never brought this up during the debates earlier this year about waterboarding…and it’s only come out now, when he is shown to be involved in a situation where he may have given orders to destroy evidence.
But now there is an additional piece of evidence that must be subpoenaed…the VCD of the virtual tour that demonstrated the techniques of interrogation…since this is quite relevant to what Pelosi actually was briefed upon. This would not, of course, show actual waterboarding in action, so it might be important to see what precisely was described on the “virtual tour”. And find out if anything was left out during the briefing.
I heard a nasty rumor from someone earlier this week which said that Obama refused to do the pledge of allegience. And how this person did not like Obama because of that. When they told me about this, their tone was of the order ‘can you believe he would not do that?’
It’s not so much that they believed this rumor (its clearly B.S. and disproven), but the fact this would sway the person’s view, as opposed to something substantial like his votes while in congress, or his speeches.
I have heard rumors that Perry Bacon Jr. is a bi-sexual Satanist who has been convicted of child molestation and rape. Is it possible that the Washington Post has hired someone more morally and politically perverted than Fred Hiatt?
Just asking. I have no proof to believe any of the above, but I just thought that the Post should be informed of any possibilities that these rumors could indeed be true and check them out with its usual, true journalistic thoroughness. After all, who really knows about this Perry Bacon Jr.? He could secretly be a Muslim sympathizer or even a terrorist mole in disguise as a journalist.
We have to protect America from all foreigners and foreign ideas. Otherwise, we will become just like them — foreigners, not true Americans who immigrated here before 1976, the bi-centenial of the American Revolution (just to pick a date that leaves out a lot of Muslims and Mexicans).
God bless America, especially the real Americans (you know who you are, even if some of you are Jewish).
Bless our great country and curse those who think differently, no matter what their religious (or atheistic) denomination is.
Just remember that America is a land of horses and ponies and dogs and cats. We are not a land of camels. So if you like camels, please leave. Thank you.
One more point on my belief that Porter Goss is behind this.
First off we don’t know precisely when the water boardings were approved and monitored. It may be that they occurred subsequent to Goss coming on after McLaughlin was asked to resign along with Tenet.
Then Porter Goss comes in as Director and starts accusing the Agency of not being aggressive enough. One officer in the Operations Branch, Robert Grenier cited Goss telling him that his approach to terrorism was “not aggressive enough”. Goss also demanded the resignation the head of the Directorate of Operations Steven Kappes and fired his #2. It was Goss’s handpicked “Jack Bauer model” Jose Rodriguez that was the one that destroyed the tapes. We know that the CIA officials up to that point had held on to the videos and had sought out legal opinions regarding them.
Could it be that Goss ordered the water boardings after WH demands? That the CIA officers were ambivalent about them. And that they ordered the videotaping as part of the record of what occurred (and have other documents demonstrating their opposition?).
Thus the “old” CIA may be exposing how this illegal activity was occurring.