Deb Howell, hard-hitting Whiffle-bat ombusdman of the Washington Post, has finally gotten around to addressing the concerns raised about the paper's Nov. 26 front pager, "Foes Use Obama's Muslim Ties to Fuel Rumors About Him." These concerns centered upon the fact that the story was total bullshit. Obama has no "Muslim ties" and the idea that the Post was putting an entire story on the goddamn front page based entirely on paranoid wingnut bigotry was pretty freaking embarrassing.
So thank Christ for Howell, who has a well-deserved reputation for pouncing on any inane crap published in her newspaper with all the fierceness of a de-clawed kitten sick with gum disease and the flu. Howell admits that the story had its faults:
My problems with the story by National Desk political reporter Perry Bacon Jr. and the headline... were that Obama's connections to Islam are slender at best; that the rumors were old; and that convincing evidence of their falsity wasn't included in the story.
A minor detail, that -- the absence of any "convincing evidence." But I suppose we can forgive that little oopsie. For, as Howell hastens to assure us, "there was no deliberate 'smear job,' as some readers charged." Whew!
Of course if we were feeling uncharitable we might observe that for all practical purposes the effect of the Post passing along a smear job based on rumors is just as bad as the Post deciding to launch a smear of its own. A smear is a smear is a smear, but a smear given sidewise legitimacy by the Washington Post -- now, that's a successful smear, as any student of the 1990s anti-Clinton lunacies could tell you.
But the joys of Howell's column don't end there. For openers, Howell didn't actually get any comments from Bacon, the author of the story, but from his editor, Bill Hamilton. Bacon was presumably too busy digging for new material in the Townhall comments sections and Howell, always the soul of tact and discretion, didn't want to bother him. Hamilton though sure does give a convincing rebuttal to the story's critics:
"I'm sorry it was misunderstood," he said. "It obviously makes me think about how I edited it. It seemed to me the story made clear that Obama was not a Muslim but that the campaign was having trouble contending with people spreading that rumor. I thought that in this context saying it was a rumor meant it wasn't true, but clearly some people didn't see it the same way. The Post has a responsibility to confront seemingly credible rumors and that was one of the reasons for the story....
"Reasonable people can disagree on this. But the people I have heard from are not reasonable. What I find especially disheartening is the idea that our motives are simply assumed to have been malicious."
To which I cheerfully respond, with utmost civility, "bite me." I don't care about his motives, or Bacon's, frankly: I question their judgment and intelligence and inability to understand his basic fucking job description. "Reasonable people" know that the stories about Obama in the madrassa were nonsense from the start. Hell, as Howell herself manages to note, even Howard Kurtz was able to pick up on the crapitude of this story, and Howard Kurtz is a smarmy little two-faced dipshit.
This is not trivial stuff, either. America's major media outlets are supposed to be telling the truth, not laundering politically motivated rumormongering by invoking some halfwit concept of "balance."
A lazy press fascinated with "rumor" as much as news is insanely dangerous. How many Americans still believe Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11? How many Americans told Rasmussen that despite last week's NIE blockbuster they are still convinced Iran is working on nuclear weapons? Answer: too goddamn many, much to the delight of wingnut maniacs across the Internets. A harsher indictment of our major news media, I can't even begin to imagine.
But then, if screwing up on Iraq so miserably didn't get the WaPo to get its "sophisticated political reporters" to rethink what the hell they're doing, then what will? The only thing that even makes them blink seems to be impolite emails. Lots of dead people, meh, irate bloggers, oh noes! That's fascinating, right there, in a totally sickening sort of way.
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Thers!
Dang, Suz! You don’t want the Zed?
Not fair if I take the zed when working backstage, CT.
wingery wtf!
*spitting* lil debbie can kiss my ass. if she doesn’t like it when the customers ask for the truth, she needs to find a new profession.
I love your ethics… *g* Unlike, the wingnuts that populate the Beltway…!
werez the acct modify page?
werez the acct modify page?
huh? you mean the profile modification here at the Lake?
ah, no select nicks this time around
My problems with this thread and the author Thers are that Howell’s connections to Journalism are slender at best; that the rumors of her being a real oumbudsman were very, very old; and that convincing evidence of or against their falsity weren’t included in the story.
jup
voa!
Dang, Deb! Your own in-house Political Cartoonist eviscerated that tripe the next day… *g*
you’re a model of brevity this evening…
Thers, from your link:
Twenty-nine percent (29%) of liberal voters believe that Iran has stopped its weapons program but 54% disagree.
Who decided the parameters for “liberal”? I call bullshit.
Our problems with the story is that Lil Debbie is not a real ombudsman and would not know the truth if it bit her.
Debbie and Gerson and Hiatt and Novak and Broder and a few more are Mockingbirds. The Government Controlled Washington Post has a 60 year history of secretly promoting the Military Industrial Complex.
Sadly, the overall consensus pegged it at only 18% believe Iran ceased it’s WMD program…
From Answers.com
The whole point of being in the news business is to verify that which is unsubstantiated and to point out that which is being presented as true. Somehow, I think neither Howell nor Hamilton know the difference between a rumor and a lie.
And their bosses apparently don’t care that they don’t know the difference.
DING
vino ;p
vino ;p
has the opposite effect on me…
“What I find especially disheartening is the idea that our motives are simply assumed to have been malicious.”
No, our assumption is that you are an ignorant editor working with an idiot writer.
a fine port and a dark roast bean :)
has the opposite effect on me… making mental note to ply ET with vino
Over at Emptywheel they’re discussing the upcoming WaPo article on Nancy Pelosi knowing about torture way back…
I’ll find the Kos link.
I call bullshit on the entire poll. There is a certain percentage which I would expect to see (say, around 28%) but I’m not buying the 18% figure.
Maybe they took the poll an hour after news of the NIE was released or something. I refuse to believe this one.
hrm, it’s nice 2 b on linux agin ;0 fuk mac!
Pelosi briefed on waterboarding.
‘lil Debbie is nutty. Hope she snacks on this post.
For years, I’ve felt this is perhaps the most important issue facing our slow slide into Fascism. Without this control over “respected” news outlets, the American electorate would laugh the neocons, might as well just say modern-day Republicans, into obscurity. They would never hold any offices. “DLC Dems” would be called Republicans, and Russ Feingold would considered a centrist.
If the quest for truth was the motivation of the Press, this is how things would be, and we wouldn’t have most of the problems we have today as a society.
Thanks for highlighting the issue so well.
I don’t think that Pelosi has anything into between her ears.
Or she is the most dishonest slim wart ever. Ever!
blarg, not setup yet :(
But she looks so grandmotherly in the Chanel suits and the tasteful pearls! /s
I agree 100%, I’d thought the same figure 28% of the Faux Spew/Bushites… I was disappointed to see such a low number, particularly, when El-Baradei has been saying it for years…
It makes me weep.
me too.
Do you have an itenerary for your NOLA trip yet?
Pearls got dissed when Bab’s was wearing em all the time. I saw the pearls on Nancy and thought, no, its just my preconceived prejudice against Bab’s pearls …
Aargh! I’m a’waiting the Wapoo article… ;-)
i like pearls.
i don’t like speaker pelosi.
Hey gang, I need a little OT help:
I’m pinch hitting for Christy tomorrow morning and I can’t find the place that publishes the Sunday morning gabfest lineup Saturday night, early. Can anyone help? I’ve been googling and am stuck.
Glad I read the comments, before I hit the submit button with the same post.
Looks like we are pushing it into the middle of January. One daughter is coming with me. The other will be in India.
Yeah, but it was hard to see Bab’s pearls, what with that trukey neck thing going on. Petty, yes, but would it kill her to take a bit of care with her appearance? It’s usually never a good thing to look like your husband’s mother. Just sayin…
I’m waiting for the WaPo too, CTuttle. This is too crazy.
And TW3k, I think you’re right about the poll too.
been sitting here refreshing the wapo link (as much as i hate to give them the hits).
That may actually work better, the kids will be back in school. Let me know when you do.
Pach, maybe Christy does them all individually? Googles Meet the Press, Fox News Sunday, etc?
She and George Senior both had Hasimoto’s disease. Thyroid thingie. Couldn’t have happen to a lovelier couple. It effected them each in a different way. Also explains her bludging eyes.
You’re such a Patriot! 8-)
OK, let’s see: We have a top-tier candidate for president and the DC paper says on the front page that he has “Muslim ties.” They didn’t say “alleged Muslim ties.”
And the WaPo is crying foul? We’re being mean to the poor WaPo?
Jeez.
will see what i can find pach
That was odd . . . comment just disappeared. Let me try again.
Try these, Pach — I didn’t put them in as links, so as not to get them caught in the filters.
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Program…..index.html
http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/ftn/main3460.shtml
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/
http://www.foxnews.com/fns/index.html
Loo Hoo, you still around? I need some advice from an experienced educator.
TV guide.
I’ve never seen a complete list published anywhere, but I have seen that information on individual websites.
Meet the Press: Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R) joins us for the full hour in an exclusive, in-depth interview — marking the tenth installment of our “Meet the Candidates” Series
peter, it got caught anyway - i freed it
I guess if the congressional leadership enabled war crimes, it would explain their behavior; including “off the table”.
I suppose one of the new features of the redesigned ‘Lake is that the old “your comment is awaiting moderation” message no longer is given.
Anyway, Pach . . . YGM with the links.
I’ll try!
There was some way I cheated last time where they were all published together. I know Atrios cheats and uses it too but I don’t wanna bug him.
But we can do it together, pull all the snippets of the guestss on schedule, and I’ll make a post!
Looking better everyday.
http://www.cindyforcongress.org/
Here’s Tom Toles’ take on the Obama story, published the next day… *g*
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..e=11302007
It would explain a whole lot, including why Harmon was taken off the intelligence committee.
Do you FB, or rather via e-mail?
There’s a cheat? dayam
ABC
THIS WEEK
In a Sunday exclusive, George talks with Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. The 2008 presidential hopeful will give his take on the new National Intelligence Estimate on Iran and discuss his campaign for the Democratic nomination.
Then, in another exclusive, former Speaker Newt Gingrich, R-Ga., will give his perspective on the week’s news.
On our “Classic Roundtable,” Sam Donaldson, Cokie Roberts and George Will debate the week’s politics.
XXX at XXX dot com, madmommy.
Then, Suz, if you can please erase when madmommy gets it?
Hard refresh, and there are links at 53 to the Sunday morning shows.
Happy coincidence re: Bab’s neck was her return from thyroid surgery with most of the wattle gone. In those days the media kept telling us how cute she was.
Got it, thanks!
has been XXX’d loohoo
WaPo is up, but I don’t see a Pelosi story.
How did we unknowingly elect so many horrid people? Did 911 addle their brains? I have heard all kinds of reasons but ….. shit…..
Nancy needs to review her interpretation of waterboarding by giving it a try.
Love ya, Suz!
shouldn’t have put a space in my name, MM.
I wonder how far away from the War Crime, can an enabler still be indicted and prosecuted? If Pelosi knew about torture and prisoner abuse in 2002 could she be charged?
The crux of the problem with today’s media in one sentence.
clinton started the whole extraordinary rendition thing - kidnap someone, then take them to egypt to be tortured and/or executed.
i suppose i shouldn’t be surprised that our congressional dems would go along.
still though, i am so very disappointed.
Yes, they’re subsequently paying for their ‘Play Along to Get Along’ mentality, which has infected the Body Politic… Culpability rears it’s ugly head… 8-(
Was Clinton the first president to do this? Why did he do this?
How do you clean up a government that is absolute in its corruption?
Seems like Pelosi would be pretty far down the list of people guilty of a crime. Just knowing about a crime isn’t really like committing it…but in terms of respectability, honor, patriotism, adherence to the Constitution, that’s another issue.
Let’s hope the Kos diarist was full of it.
‘Fair and Balanced’…? Bwhahaha… *g*
is it better or worse that speaker pelosi says (according the diary, sourcing the wapo) that she does not recall specifically being briefed on waterboarding. ?
Well, Pelosi sounds just like Bush — he doesn’t remember either.
I’d give her the benefit of the doubt, Selise! However, highly contingent upon future statements and/or deeds!!!
Maybe she didn’t know what waterboarding was. Sort of like not knowing the contents of the patriot act.
here’s the jane mayer piece i’ve quoted before (from the new yorker):
there’s a lot more at the link, but this gives you the idea.
Pach –
MTP = Ghouliani
Snuffleufagus - Gingrich Biden
Face = Jay Rockefeller, Chuck Hagel
Late Edition doesn’t seem to be up yet
And Brokaw’s got a two-hour special on “1968″ Sunday night on the History Channel
yes, maybe the article is untrue. here’s hoping.
hiccups.
Barbara Bush in pearls.
Nancy Pelosi in pearls.
No commentary…
My money’s on Schieffer and Face the Nation for time worth spending…anybody know why he only gets a half hour? He’d mop up both Russert and Snuffy if he had an hour head-to-head, methinks.
Thanks everyone, I got it from y’all!
Putting something together for the morning now.
Loo Hoo, you’ve got mail. I didn’t put the space in, figured it was supposed to be run together.
Thers is running late from an event he was attending and is hustling trying to get back to the Lake.
Glad the Late Nite Pups were able to help you out, Pach.
Looks like Late Edition at CNN has not published its guests other than Musharraf yet.
If memory serves, the senior Bushes had Grave’s, not Hashimoto’s.
Schieffer’s departing comments rivals KO’s SCs’ these days… ;-)
I think getting as many people as possible to ignore Conglomerate Media and getting their info from places like FDL will help tremendously. Along with intense financial and word-of-mouth support for Blue America, and the “more and better Democrats” theme might actually do it, if sustained for the long haul.
For guaranteed nightmares, think about what it would be like right now if the Netroots would never had developed. Certainly, the ‘06 elections would’ve been much different with Repubes probably even gaining seats, and we’d probably already dropping bombs on Iran.
We’ve come so far in such a short period of time, and with little money. We’re just getting warmed up IMHO, but we do need to increase our numbers (A LOT!) to take this to the next phase.
ATTACCCKKKKKK!!!!
The full WaPo article is finally up.
snark
Face the Nation got Sen. Rockefeller’s first name wrong. Per emptywheel, it’s
JayJelly Rockefeller, (D-WV)./snark
THERS, thanks for a rock’n post!
I’m going to spotlight it to Lil Debbie
No one says fuck except meHowell andFred Hiatta few of her closest friends at the Compost.You are right. I’m dyslexic. I get them mixed up. Or myxedema-ed up.