Senate Democrats were forced to accept another bitter defeat from obstructionist Republicans yesterday, as the Senate voted to fix the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) for another year but without providing any replacement revenues for the $50 billion in lower tax receipts. The concession now puts the Democrats’ "pay as you go" principle at risk.
The 88 – 5 vote came after Senate Democrats attempted without success to get Republicans to agree to enact offsetting tax increases so that the net effect on the federal deficit would be zero. As the WaPo reports, the House has been more successful in upholding the principle, and a House Bill already includes such offsets:
The House-passed AMT "patch" would have been paid for mainly by forcing managers of private equity "buyout" firms and hedge funds to pay ordinary income tax rates on the millions of dollars they earn each year. Currently, much of those earnings are counted as capital gains and taxed at 15 percent, rather than at the 35 percent income tax rate paid by the nation’s highest earners. Wall Street launched a major lobbying campaign to defeat that tax increase.
Protecting tax breaks for the rich is what Senate Republicans do best, and unfortunately, they’re getting help from some Democrats unwilling to tap their hedge fund contributors (h/t selise); together, they refused to allow any offsets to the AMT fix, and their refusal now puts in jeopardy the Democrats’ efforts to impose fiscal discipline on the Congress. The lost revenues from the one-year fix in AMT is $50 billion, but if pay-as-you-go is not upheld, that loss could reach over $1 trillion over the next 10 years. And that’s on top of the $1 trillion or so cost of the President’s Iraq war, for which we’re also not paying. But the Republicans don’t care.
By comparison, recall that the SCHIP bill the President vetoed would have cost an additional $35 billion to cover an additional 4 million uninsured children over five years, and it was nominally "paid for" via an added tax on cigarettes. When the President vetoed the budget for Health and Education early this Fall, the "extra spending" the President complained about was only $11 billion out of a $606 billion bill. And the total difference between all Congressional budget bills the President promises to veto and his own budget requests are only about $22 billion.
The President and his party want to pretend they’re all for fiscal discipline, but it’s all a fraud. A New York Times editorial Thursday accurately described the White House strategy as "The President’s Cynical Budget War."
While Mr. Bush wrestles with more responsible members of his own administration, his larger and more immediate game is to portray the narrow Democratic majority in Congress as feckless overspenders.
In October, he vetoed a sensible bill that would have provided health insurance for millions of uninsured children. In the name of faux fiscal discipline, he is threatening to veto budget measures that the nation needs for effective government.
Mr. Bush is clearly hoping that the public will somehow forget that he is the one who spent the last seven years running up huge deficits and debt with his off-the-books war in Iraq and serial tax cuts customized for his affluent political base. Mr. Bush’s Republican allies on Capitol Hill are also hoping that the voters will forget how they abetted the president through all those years. Those fiscal turncoats are now scrambling to pose once more as budget hawks to survive in next year’s watershed election. . . .
He’s decided the real political traction comes with manufactured standoffs and blame-the-Congress gridlock. And he clearly doesn’t care who suffers — the nation’s vulnerable cities or vulnerable children without health insurance.
In his special commentary about Iran and national security last night, Keith Olbermann explained the White House is occupied by a man who is so dangerously dishonest he has no business being President. But Bush is no more honest on domestic matters. In an inexplicable death wish, Congressional Republicans are desperately clinging to his dishonesty, hoping they’ll fool the American people one more time.
Apparently, deception is all they’ve got left, and they’re willing to use it even if it drives the country into the ground.
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mornin’ all
Caw, caw! Good morning Scarecrow!
You mean…the Democrats didn’t create this deficit? Hm. Oh and the KO special comment is searing. A must read.
Hypocrisy abounds when it comes to repub senate, eh? No surprise here.
Wonderful article.
You either impeach the bastard or this will happen.
What’s wrong with our Dems?
Who were the Courageous Five?
cant believe the sen dems caved on this too. maybe rangel will hold them to the principle.
of course the worry over AMT anger is a bigger fear than islamo weakness.
why did the senate dems cave on this one? the house dems are still holding out.
Your government is owned, paid for and serves the corporations and the wealthy these days. They toss a few bones at the commons to make it seem like it is a gov or for and by the people. It’s not.
Did the senate repubs filibuster?
i’ve got to wonder if maybe the senate dems didn’t “cave” – not because the the senate Rs “forced” them to, but because powerful senate dems (schumer?) didn’t want to make hedge managers pay income taxes like the little people.
isn’t this a more likely senario? seems to me that blaming the Rs without even having a vote is a dishoneset deflection by the senate dems.
Good morning from L.A.& a wet one it is here in Santa Monica. Great topic for the first a.m. post, Scarecrow. Deception is all they’ve got left- the major leakage this week might indicate they’re having trouble servicing & maintaining that deception.
Speaking of deception-
In regard to this being Pearl Harbor Day, let’s not forget how BushCo decided to celebrate a year ago- seven phone calls from Mike Battle informed seven United States Attorneys that they were being shit canned. The only explanation given @ the time was “we want to take the office in a new direction”…
Anyone know what this is about? My friend is selling a condo she inherited in Myrtle Beach. Will probably go for $350,000. Her accountant told her not to sell till 2008 because there are huge tax advantages on capital gains for that year only. That’s all I know. Are the repubs giving their friends one year to cash in? If so, I’m getting ALL of my money out of the stock market before it crashes.
Let me repeat, I really know nothing about this other than what the accountant said.
no – the senate dems didn’t even bring the pay-go version to the floor for a vote.
Really need an edit button. It’s ‘their friends’.
g’morning scarecrow!
I like to call all tax increases “reaquireing middle class assets”
things like;
“we’re gonna fund this program by re aquiring assets that were given to the wealthy by corrupt officials”
man that would drive them nuts
Good morning but not in BlueState.
EPU’ed from Suzanne at 3 am EST.
Boston Globe, home to Charles Savage who savaged the signing statement (BlueBayState pride is merited by something besides our you-know-what record in football) fell entirely for the Ronmney JFK line, see
http://www.boston.com/news/nat…..al_moment/
link for article which I for the moment can’t find, but fell for the entire JFK turned campaign around steno message.
but then had this in the a.m.
http://www.boston.com/news/nat….._religion/
money quote:
In the glare of the national media spotlight, Romney mentioned Mormonism only once, but said he would not retreat from it….The speech was aimed partly at evangelicals like Land, who was invited to the speech…
the rest is he said, she said, with ADL on too much pressure on leaders to be religious as the strongest objection
EPUED from last nite:
“And I know people who only read this paper. and do not go directly to the sports pages.
Would be glad to hear that somewhere someone saw this speech for what is was emptysuitery.
give the lateness of the hour in the BlueState and the proximity thereof to morning, I’ll let you guys work over the homestate rag and check in in the morning.
keep the home fires[doglake] burning meanwhile, Suzanne.”
I’ll be back with the original article or news of it not being found.
BTW preview does not work. it is not my friend.
thanks Marie. Lots of things to remember this day. And how will the rethugs take and use Pearl Harbor to try to discredit the NIE?
I didn’t know you were in Santa Monica. That’s where my mom is. She’s been in a rehab hospital for 3 weeks now getting really bored while waiting for antibiotics to work before she can have her knee replaced—again. Last year when Jane had her surgery, I asked mom to take Jane some really good chocolate to help speed the healing.
Good morning Scarecrow,
I’ve been reading Shock Doctrine and all this craziness seems so real. How many have read it?
sounds like class warfare to me. i like it!
except that we have the leadership of both parties declaring war on us.
Juan Cole had a really good analysis and smackdown of Willard. Very worth the read.
It’s stupid for Democrats to get involved in the details of the tax debate because they’ll lose. Whatever they say, the Republicans will say, “that sounds like a tax increase” and they win with most people.
Better for Democrats to hammer the Republicans on the record of the last 7 years, which brought the biggest Government ever. If they say they want or wanted smaller Government, they didn’t deliver it. I would leave it at that, though I’d be tempted to add the Republicans also delivered the most corrupt Congress ever, with the most pork ever.
it’s on my ever increasing pile.
Best protest sign:
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5403
This is inaccurate. There is nothing magical happening to capital gains in 2008 that isn’t already available now in 2007. What people are talking about is that when the Democrats regain office, which is widely expected, that the rate will rise.
Capital gains tax is currently 15% and is likely to revert to the previous 20%. This is causing heartache and headache among people who get most of their income from interest and dividends, as their effective tax rate will go up by one-third.
The only one time thing happening in 2008 is that there will be some kind of fix for the AMT.
[One of these days you guys are going to ask me for a link….]
I meant YOUR comment, not what’s actually happening.
for those who haven’t had time, the book in two minutes…email to all your friends all your relatives, knowledge is inoculation against this happening to us yet again…which I believe they will try before the 08 election
they are that brazen and they believe we are that stupid, and I do not put it past them to create a 9/11 event before the next presidential election
inoculate all you know
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..hp?t=92241
If the dems don’t start reframing the tax bogey man issue they are toast because once it all hits the fan there will be very few options other than restructuring taxes to dig us out of the mess the rethugs are leaving behind.
Put it on the top if you can. It makes sense of what is going on.
I am most upset by what the Dems seem to be and their lack of caring of whats happening. They must know.
I dissagree
we can easily attack them, ask THEM what bussiness they have trying to keep assets that were stolen from the middle class
we CAN run and SHOULD run on LOWERING taxes, we will NOT be lying the way the republicans lie and we will point out revenue we reclaim from the wealthy is not a tax increase, it’s returning assets to where they were taken in the ifrst place
BlueState back:
Globe did not scratch the fanmail article :
http://www.boston.com/news/nat…..al_moment/
So it a blue day in the BlueState when it’s more or less reliable home rag harbors an idiot.
OT,
thanks for the reminder that the USA massacre began to day. One area where we have seen some change for the better if not for the good.
Gonzogonzo. Snoopy dance.Iran, Iraq. Whatever he did when depressed. I don’t remember more than “Sigh”
Signing off for the day begins at 8:30.
How bizarre that the ‘indisputable’ core belief for so many middle class republicans came to be that the R party was the wise, fiscally responsible one. They make drunken sailors look like scrooges. I wonder how many non-wealthy conservatives are realizing that the R’s didn’t really mean they would get a place at the table.
that needs to be an important point for the democrats and if they plaguerized your entire paragraph they would be well served
Hi, RevDeb. Sorry to hear about your mom. In hospital for 3 weeks wait is a lot. I’m up early packing for a business trip to Toronto, but if she’s still bored & waiting for the surgery when I get back, maybe she’d like someone to bring her chocolate, like yrs. truly :-)
He being Snoopy, not Gonzo. he was too busy protecting the children to ever be depressed.
which is depressing, of course. this my truly last word. school bells ringing.
Good morning everyone.
Another cave? Should they have forced the Republicans to actually filibuster? Probably lots of sentiment about that. The argument is that forcing the Republicans to explain to the media why they’re holding up a fix on the AMT — which catches some voters unaware — while refusing to impose a fair tax on those who got rich as part of Wall Street’s flimflammery — would be good politics, and might even work. Here’s a sample of that opinion. Robert’s Stochastic Thoughts
In the end, the Dems apparently felt they had to fix the AMT for next year. Who knows what would have happened, but this didn’t just happen yesterday — they’ve been trying for weeks (months?) to find an AMT “patch” and the Republicans wouldn’t budge. It’s the same debate we keep having on every issue. The test case is SCHIP, where the Dems sent essentially the same bill (minor changes) back to Bush after he vetoed the first one — and nothing’s changed yet. We’ll see.
bankrate.com has the scoop on this.
Shorter bankrate: Yes, if your income is relative low.
As long as they keep pounding out their lies, things like trickle down economics and tax cuts mean more revenue, it’s pretty tricky to fight them on it.
Better to attack their record. Big Government. High inflation. High gas prices. Trillions in debt to China.
These guys think its appalling that immigrants come up here and work, but have no problem when a huge corporation opens an office in India and stops paying taxes here.
how very very kind. . . drop me a note off line and we can chat. my name at mac dot com.
THANX!
Haven’t had the time to do much but occasionally lurk since the big changes, but I haven’t seen any posts by Christy lately; is everything well with her?
I am not really late, but when signing off in another corner of blogosphere found this good news.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/…..190/418832
LA times/Bloomberg. Bush disapproval among military and families now at 37%
to wit:
Off to work we go. Disney dwarfs in tow.
Christy’s on vacation.
Shoot. I need preview. I am now really late.
make that really, really late.
bye for now.
that’s not my point. they didn’t have to force a filibuster – they could have just had a vote (cloture vote)… but they didn’t do that because dems like schumer are protecting their hedge fund constituents. it’s clearly kabuki.
Thanks!
Damn it all to Hell!! This is such an aggravating thing to think about first thing in the morning, but very important. I am sick to death of these wankers screwing over working Americans so that they can pad the already ermine-lined pockets of their buddies. And the most galling thing is the legions of barely scraping by folks who continue to vote GOP because they are too brainwashed to educate themselves about how badly they are being hosed. Grrr!
I’m back to bed for a bit now that the house is quiet again and the milk’s back in the fridge. See y’all later today.
Good point and good memory, Marie! And caw-caw to you, too, Scarecrow! Up to your usual high standards, I see.
yes, there’s that problem too — I was responding to several comments about why the Dems didn’t force the Repubs to vote.
You’ve got mail :)
wisely on vacation… coffee’s ready, hold out your cups…
what’s all this water falling from the sky?
from bloomberg (a month ago):
yeah. my point was that the Ds didn’t force the Rs to vote because the Ds didn’t want to vote on it either.
Thanx Perris. I know non-rich R’s that still seem to think the R party fat cats are on their side & it’s the evil, wild spending Dems that are the scary ones. Must be denial. I have no explanation for why lifelong R’s are so loyal even when it is self destructive. Then again, most only watch Fake News which kills brain cells.
back at you :-) and thanks again.
going to the office, see all later in a few minutes
Good morning to crow and the pups
I have come to believe the republicans hate the United States and all it stands for, by wrapping themselves in a flag with the Kng James bible under their arm, to carry out the complete destruction of our country. The military…destroyed, voting process..destroyed, court system ..destroyed and the middle class dreams destroyed.
I long for the day when nobody would ever admit they supported Bush.
Old Coastie, this was in the LA Times this Morning: Is It Really Dead?
Gotta be a good girl and work on new sermon today so I have to stop this.
Have a good one everybody. Stay warm and dry and alert. We’ve got lots of work to do to right this ship of state.
Selise, thanks much for the Bloomberg link; I’ve added it to the post.
They must *really* want us to pick up those torches and pitchforks. They’re practically begging…
you are most welcome. and thanks.
on the initiative? close to dead, not completely dead… they still have until early February to gather enough signatures, but not making it onto the June ballot is indeed, excellent news… I think they are really out of money – haven’t seen a signature gatherer for several weeks… I think that weekend I caught those kids in their fuckery was the last “big push”… not a sign of them since… no money to pay the kids, no money to retrieve the sigs from ARNO, no money to get it qualified…!
EXCELLENT NEWS!
and if they don’t have the money to pay to get the initiative on the ballot – how in the world would they gather up the cash for all the court battles that would ensue…?
Fingers crossed.
me too… I think their goose is cooked!
Capital gains is for the capitalist.
Either you tax income as income or you treated those with unearned income – capitalists – as a special class.
It’s a myth that everyone can be a “capitalist” but it sounds good and so they offer this incentive to the financial sector to give them money to play with and then like hedge funds they get to claim it’s all capital gains.
ALL INCOME MUST BE TREATED EQUALLY.
OC, from the same article on the finacing problems the initiative had:
They’re practically begging because they are certain it won’t ever happen. And, if by some remote possiblity that revolution begins, they’ll employ the American Revolutionary Guard (red: MIC).
It’s gonna be a long road home…
Well done, OldCoastie — you may have saved the republic from Huckianimney
I believe the fact that the goopers are broke is a good thing.
The repub solution to the mortgage meltdown is to let state and local governments sell bonds and use the proceeds to support the mortgage markets. This means that state and local governments would use their bonding authority to issue tax-free bonds backed by mortgages, making them another player in the disaster, making huge fees for Wall Street which can market the bonds, and offering tax-free returns to the rich.
Cutting federal revenues to bail out the stupid mortgage investors. Brilliant.
More on how Old Coastie helped save the day.
You’re one of my heroes!
The party may get broke but they corporations will buy and own the dems like Schumer and Biden. They won’t give up on THEIR government. Politicians are cheap to buy when you are the masters of the universe.
they may have a lot of power, but they are only masters of the imaginary universe in their dreams.
Every time I think about what has happened these past 7 years, my brain begins to feel as if there’s going to be a mental melt-down. It is just so painful to contemplate where we were, with surpluses and the potential to do so much good – for the nation and the world.
And to see what a self-involved petulant, greedy, lazy.. #@&*^%$ out of control kid, who was never responsible … has done to the treasury, the poor, the nation, the world…. well, I simply cannot take it in.
I think of where we now stand in the eyes of the world and something in me simply cannot grapple with everything that has occurred and what it all means.
Right now the whole world is holding its breath that the economic mess does not get any worse. And so am I…. oh, dear god….
another example of the corporate propaganda machine turning a story to read the way they want it to
this SHOULD read;
Republican backers of the measure, which would have targeted specific republican districts while ignoring democratic districts to steal an election for the GOP nominee by changing how California awards electoral votes, conceded that they were unable to raise sufficient funds.
another example of corporate spin here
Saw a portion of a CNN crawl about a Healthcare corp guy who agreed to surrender $400 million to settle a backdating scandal.
Meanwhile, Imus launched a fundraising campaign this morning for the Boriken Healthcare Center in East Harlem [begun before the big firing]…to benefit especially the kids. Serious asthma problems in the community. And in the era of Big BushCo government, these folks couldn’t get sufficient resources to rehab a building to provide healthcare. Empty promises, pledges reneged on….and a building sitting empty the last seven years because they couldn’t afford to fix it up. Hmmmm. Seven years…..
Boriken.org for more info. Check it out. War on Greed needed.
have good day, all… better get crackin’ here – the roads are sure to be a mess… oh, those little kids are going to be hoppin’ and boppin’ all over the place! rainy days… yikes!
Morning Scarecrow and pups,
I hope this works. NYC Firepup Meetup Pix.
Of course that was a dumb expression they used because their transactions in a hour are as large as some nations are in a month… bit nevertheless, money rules and they have the money.
If democracy rules we wouldn’t have money in it would we?
When MONEY was equated to free speech, it was all over and unless that fraud is reversed… it’s fig leaf democracy for all.
But it was very clever, because with the money they control and corrupt the message and so we the people are pissing in the wind and they are laughing all the way to be bank.
Don’t you love these multimillionaires who ask the middle class to pony up for the poor?
SanderO – i don’t know why you say things like “it was all over”… there are plenty of people in the world struggling under truly dangerous and oppressive regimes – much worse than ours. and they are sometimes winning. and sometimes dying. why should we expect it to be any easier for us?
Those are great pictures. Thanks.
By the Way:
Sunday, December 7th, 1941, A Day That Will Live In Infamy!
thanks! wish i could have joined you.
Why’d ya go an post those pictures? They are such great looking folks now it will be much harder to be snarky to them! :)
You can’t give up the struggle. But you have to call it like it is. You have to do the correct analysis and target the real problems.
Our constitution was not bad. But it’s in need of a serious do over. How is a senate one person one vote? The electoral college? It goes on and on.
When you allow money as power into the political process you have no possibility for democracy. We are at best a benevolent oligarchy posing as a democracy.
Money made me do it.
Sunday, December 7th, 1941, A Day That Will Live In Infamy!
Attacking a country that had done absolutely nothing to them. Hey, wonder if that ever happens these days…?
money (whether in the form of land, slaves or some other power) has never been out of the political process. the history of our goverment is a history of struggle. no one here is claiming that we have a functioning democracy. but that doesn’t mean that the ultimate authority, legitimacy and power doesn’t reside with the citizenry – if we chose to exercise our own power in solidarity with eachother.
I understand that Democrats are wimps and will likely roll over, but I don’t understand how Republicans win by irresponsibly increasing the deficit to “pay” for this AMT fix. I know they are touting the no new taxkes stuff, but without an offset they completely lose the “fiscal responsibility” BS war. What am I missing? Are Republicans then going to try to blame Democrats for passing an AMT bill that increases deficit when it was the Republicans that refused any plan that had offsets? Republicans didn’t even offer any budget cuts to at least be able to say they tried to offset increased deficit.
OT
at 10:00 am on CSPAN 1:
RESPONSE TO TERRORISM
The Afghan-Pakistan Border
Two authors familiar with Afghanistan and Pakistan discuss the history of insurgencies in the region.
Ahmed Rashid is a Pakistani journalist and author of “Taliban.”
Steve Coll won a Pulitzer Prize for his book “Ghost Wars.” The Afghanistan Working Group of the U.S. Institute for Peace sponsors the talk.
From the Raw Story: LINK
the thing is selise, government has to be on a pendulum ever evolving, it always has to change and that’s what most people don’t understand
I am not a “liberal”, most of my principles happen to be “concervative” however the “concervative party” isn’t concervative anymore, the liberal party is far more concervative
the point is I will always change directions according to what the country needs rather then according to what any party preaches
government CAN be perfect if it is always willing to examine the flaws within it and try to correct those flaws
some times correcting flaws creates other issues and then those issues have to be addressed
thus government can never “be the same” as it was in the past
the problem, as i see it, is that the senate dem leadership (which probably reflects the will of the majority of the senate dems) does not want to raise taxes on hedge fund managers.
the whole point of this exercise in political theater by the senate dems is to protect their hedge fund contributors – but to “blame” it on the senate republicans by pretending to “cave”. the senate dem leadership is trying to have it both ways – they want our support, so they have to pretend to “fight” against the republicans. but they also want the support from the hedge fund industry, so they have to pretend to “cave”.
if we are very careful and very diligent – we can pull back the curtain of their political theater. then the leaders of our own party might have to decide that they actually have to do things we want (instead of just pretend to “try” to do them) in order to get our support. you can damn well count on the hedge fund folks knowing exactly what the score is. now it’s time for us to figure it out too.
all is not lost. don’t forget that nixon gave us the epa and osha – he didn’t do that out of the goodness of his heart, he did it because he had to take real action in order to get the support he needed. we can weld that kind of power – but only if we don’t get fooled by the kabuki.
Oh, wizard!
Names to faces….great pix!
OT–
Interesting:
i don’t believe in perfect government or perfect people…. but, otherwise i’m with you.
Thanks for the C-Span updates, Elliott, much appreciated.
Of course money is always there somewhere, but here it’s god. People want money and they things it buys more than they want freedom, education, a clean environment, a just society and all sorts of things. We have been fooled to me into MEism and worship our lifestyles. We have been marketed to focused group and divided up into lap dog consumers and we don’t care about government, we are told it’s supposed to be small and not intrude in our lives. That’s was the right’s greatest message was which was bought hook like and sinker. Government leave me alone. So when you have a lousy government which is used for control and to benefit the wealthy, or perceived to be supporting lay abouts… everyone has a reason to hate government… and this allows the clever to use government to steal and increase their wealth and power.
Struggle!
Selise,
You are absolutely right about Dems being just as much hypocrites as Repubs and just trying to pretend when they are probably content to let deficit grow.
Your last point that we can wield power and change things is very hopeful and I’d like to believe it can be done, but I am not holding my breath – without leadership in DC we have no hope.
great post he made
quote to quote;
bingo
That’s probably exactly what they will do. And the worst part is that the MSM will repeat the meme ad nauseum and the dems will wander around looking like lost sheep wondering how they got played again.
Here’s an article about the new effort to raise money for the new campaign. David Gilliard, the Treasurer sounds quite concerned. Whether that’s bluff or true despair is worth watching. I thought the last signature gathering was to try and get it on the Primary ballot (in February) while the February 4th Deadline for signature gathering would allow it to get on the June Ballot. So if this one fails it would mean that they would have had three shots at doing this. They would obviously benefit from a non-Federal election since that would draw out a lot of Republicans intent on changing the landscape. But the Fall General Election would definitely draw out a lot of Democrats and might have a lower Republican turnout if there was a rejection of their nominee by any faction.
http://www.mercurynews.com/bre…..ck_check=1
They’ve only raised $540K of the $2 million they think they need just to get signatures collected. Issa has donated only $50,000 and a Guiliani-supporter named Floyd Kvamme (sp.?) has turned up to give an equal amount. And Jerry Perenchio of Univision (the Hispanic TV Network) has tossed in $50K as well.
These are big-pocket Republicans and I can see why Gilliard would be upset that they aren’t trowing mad-money at his campaign. But maybe they are more than aware that the chance of stealth collection and slipping this under the radar is pretty much dead.
that’s why we’re going to change the leadership. see howie klein’s blue america link at the top of the page.
OT–
And this:
Two former intelligence officials said that Porter J. Goss, the director of the agency at the time, was not told that the tapes would be destroyed and was angered to learn that they had been.
In a changing world we need adaptive institutions and hence the concept of perfect makes no sense.
Our government is not adapting to the changing conditions with its original intent to be OF, BY, and FOR THE PEOPLE.
It is now owned, and used for the wealthy and concerns itself mostly with fostering the environment for capitalism, a system of few winners and many many losers.
It’s damn hard to reconcile capitalism with democracy as this nation was supposed to be to serve the PEOPLE and the commons. It not longer does.
Time to change.
Struggle!
amen. listening now.
Blue Texan’s upstairs…
this guy needs to go before waxman, in the words of beuwolf;
“he has a story to tell”
Blue Texan has a new thread ready.
Without getting money out of politics the new leaders will act like the old leaders.
All candidates you “support” MUST pledge to end the campaign finance system as we know it.
Without public financing, MONEY will always trump liberty and democracy.
GET MONEY OUT OF POLITICS – Step one.
TERM LIMITS – there are plenty of people who will gladly give 2-6 years of their live to serve their country. LET THEM, Destroy incumbency.
Cosmetic changes are EVEN skin deep.
We need more than new make up, more than a face lift. We need a NEW BEGINNING
STRUGGLE!
OT – but it’s about fiscal madness of a different sort – have you all seen this information about Huckabee’s misuse of public funds? Astonishing! This needs to broadcast far and wide!
http://www.realchange.org/huckabee.htm#publicmoney
(sorry if the link doesn’t work – haven’t figured that out yet.)
People can still stay on this thread if they wish. As Rayne told me yesterday, FDL is now working toward multiple threads, so people can stay on or visit threads on topics of their interest. Or they can hop over to emptwheel or TBogg’s houses to visit. No need to relog in. This idea of house-hopping is great: Just in time for the holidays….
1,688 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Scarecrow and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
And it goes on and on and…how long before we start talkin’ about a civil war to restore democratic institutions and the idea of “rule of law” and create new mechanisms to institute economic as well as social justice in this country? I for one am NOT sanguine about the prospects of our system, in it’s present condition, bein’ able to respond to the crisis before us no matter the outcome of this next election unless the first 100 dayz of a new administration includes action to dismantle the corporate state and institute economic democracy.
We’re in a tub a shit here…the fuckin’ polar ice caps are meltin’, we’re runnin outta both oil and water, our treasury is bankrupt and our tax base is too, we have no civilian controlled military left, our foreign embassies are dependant on corporate mercenaries for security and private corporate armies run uncontrolled through the streets of our largest cities. Am I missin’ sumpthin’ or are we already a banana republic?!!
If anyone within sight of my words here thinks that we aren’t already in a revolutionary situation…well, I want whatever yer smokin’!! I firmly believe that absent mass direct action nation-wide between now and the Democratic convention, we are NOT gunna have an election that changes the balance of political power enough to respond to the crises that confront us. Lets call a spade a shovel here folks…the problem is corporate capitalism and the only solution to this crisis is the dismantling of the corporate state as an alternative to elected democratic institutions. And if ya think that the rulin’ oligarchy is gunna let sumpthin’ as mundane as a free election take power…well, you can’t be trusted with sharp objects or hot coffee!
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE FUCKIN’ AMMUNITION, THE WAR HAS ALREADY STARTED, YA DON’T WANNA MISS IT!!
And it even turns out that the members of the Senate Intelligence Committee were even aware that the tapes existed. Republican Peter Hoekstra says that he wasn’t even aware of the tapes, that he was never notified about their existence. Apparently the first he heard about them was from the Media.
So it sounds as if General Hayden is lying about notification, and the authorization to destroy. I’m betting that the whole argument that the tapes were destroyed because they were duplicative and merely would have allowed the identification of the
torturersinterrogators is bulldada.selise @ 85: Wish you coulda too. We’ll grow and do it again.
raven @ 86: Snark away. NYC pups can take it ;-)
Waccamaw @ 95: Definitely no wizardry here. Just happy I can link again.
that, i would love to see.
More on the money…medicare cutting payments for cancer treatments. NYT has this story. We’re a CLL survivor household, the same family as NHL [non-Hodgkins lymphoma]. More BushCo government–of the powerful, by the powerful, for the powerful–ordinary Americans need not apply?
Cut, cut, cut for the middle class to fatten the pockets of the uber-class. Treat ordinary Americans as expendable expenses lest the big boys taxes get raised…. at least Huckabee was on the right track recognizing that it’s not tax-and-spend, it’s tax-and-invest. In each of our futures, in America’s future.
Universal healthcare. Another area of opportunity for the War on Greed.
If the 88-5 vote quoted is correct, then it’s not just Republican Fiscal Madness. It’s ok to be partisan, but you can’t forego accuracy or you’ll just be another faux news source for me.