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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/sometimes-the-crime-is-worse-than-the-coverup/#comment-1138540</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 15:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Looks like all the rodents are screaming “Not ME! Plausible DENIABILITY!”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Dana Porno said Bush told her “Huh? Videos? Interrogations? Erased?”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Apparently his love-doll at the time,White House Counsel Harry et Miers, knew ALL ABOUT the Tapes, but then advised the CIA not to destroy them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Funny she didn’t bother to tell Bush…maybe she just told President Cheney.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The DOJ lawyers assert that they told the CIA “Don’t destroy them”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Tenet would have been the one who was responsible from concealing these tapes from the 9/11 Commission…maybe we now can see why Bush awarded him the “Medal of Freedom”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then there’s his replacement Porter Goss…who also knew about the recordings but asserts “it wasn’t me that done did it”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/08/washington/08intel.html?hp&quot;&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12…..el.html?hp&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Seems to me that the destruction of the tapes against the advice of just about everyone that learned about them, in fact, would lead to the exposure of the INTERROGATORS. Because now they will be called in and quizzed about precisely what they did. And the person who transcribed the tapes will be called in to divulge what they saw. And this guy who is being set up for the fall, the Deputy Director of Operations (Rodriguez?).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Cheney, Bush, Miers.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They all need to be hauled in and any records relating to this stuff turned over to a Special Prosecutor.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like all the rodents are screaming “Not ME! Plausible DENIABILITY!”</p>
<p>Dana Porno said Bush told her “Huh? Videos? Interrogations? Erased?”</p>
<p>Apparently his love-doll at the time,White House Counsel Harry et Miers, knew ALL ABOUT the Tapes, but then advised the CIA not to destroy them.</p>
<p>Funny she didn’t bother to tell Bush…maybe she just told President Cheney.</p>
<p>The DOJ lawyers assert that they told the CIA “Don’t destroy them”.</p>
<p>Tenet would have been the one who was responsible from concealing these tapes from the 9/11 Commission…maybe we now can see why Bush awarded him the “Medal of Freedom”.</p>
<p>Then there’s his replacement Porter Goss…who also knew about the recordings but asserts “it wasn’t me that done did it”.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/08/washington/08intel.html?hp">http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12…..el.html?hp</a></p>
<p>Seems to me that the destruction of the tapes against the advice of just about everyone that learned about them, in fact, would lead to the exposure of the INTERROGATORS. Because now they will be called in and quizzed about precisely what they did. And the person who transcribed the tapes will be called in to divulge what they saw. And this guy who is being set up for the fall, the Deputy Director of Operations (Rodriguez?).</p>
<p>Cheney, Bush, Miers.</p>
<p>They all need to be hauled in and any records relating to this stuff turned over to a Special Prosecutor.</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/sometimes-the-crime-is-worse-than-the-coverup/#comment-1137975</link>
		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 04:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Pete, I do not advocate the militarism of our youth! I’ve served proudly for twenty years with Uncle Sam! I don’t want my kids to be forced into boot camp! I’d would like to see them serve the public good&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Let me be clear.  I agree with you.  I don’t advocate it either, but I don’t see any way ever to end this fiasco and continued killing for Iraqis and US personnel and the hemorrhaging of billions of dollars a month other than to institute a draft.  That’s the only thing I know that will stop the fiasco in Iraq. Congress won’t.  Hillary won’t.  And if Obama can pull off an upset in Iowa and the momentum to win the next few early primaries I doubt he will either.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Pete, I do not advocate the militarism of our youth! I’ve served proudly for twenty years with Uncle Sam! I don’t want my kids to be forced into boot camp! I’d would like to see them serve the public good</p>
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<p>Let me be clear.  I agree with you.  I don’t advocate it either, but I don’t see any way ever to end this fiasco and continued killing for Iraqis and US personnel and the hemorrhaging of billions of dollars a month other than to institute a draft.  That’s the only thing I know that will stop the fiasco in Iraq. Congress won’t.  Hillary won’t.  And if Obama can pull off an upset in Iowa and the momentum to win the next few early primaries I doubt he will either.</p>
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		<title>By: prostratedragon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/sometimes-the-crime-is-worse-than-the-coverup/#comment-1137901</link>
		<dc:creator>prostratedragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 03:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;because there is no progress&lt;br /&gt;
in the history of knowledge…&lt;br /&gt;
merely a continuous&lt;br /&gt;
and sublime recapitulation.&lt;/i&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Film transcript, &lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/3ye7fd&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;The Name of the Rose&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>because there is no progress<br />
in the history of knowledge…<br />
merely a continuous<br />
and sublime recapitulation.</i>
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<p>Film transcript, <a href="http://tinyurl.com/3ye7fd"><i>The Name of the Rose</i></a>.</p>
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		<title>By: CTuttle</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/sometimes-the-crime-is-worse-than-the-coverup/#comment-1137658</link>
		<dc:creator>CTuttle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 01:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Pete, I do not advocate the militarism of our youth!  I’ve served proudly for twenty years with Uncle Sam!  I don’t want my kids to be forced into boot camp!  I’d would like to see them serve the public good, tho!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete, I do not advocate the militarism of our youth!  I’ve served proudly for twenty years with Uncle Sam!  I don’t want my kids to be forced into boot camp!  I’d would like to see them serve the public good, tho!</p>
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		<title>By: LeeNYC</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/sometimes-the-crime-is-worse-than-the-coverup/#comment-1137651</link>
		<dc:creator>LeeNYC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 01:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;you have the evidence on the physical torture bit in the last 20 years?  Note, I did not deny torture, only the method used.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you have the evidence on the physical torture bit in the last 20 years?  Note, I did not deny torture, only the method used.</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/sometimes-the-crime-is-worse-than-the-coverup/#comment-1137645</link>
		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 01:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;What makes you think the children of the “elites” would wind up serving? Did our President and VP serve in the war of their time, draft notwithstanding?&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;The President ran from any combat and even ran from the Alabama national guard when  told to report for a physical for a plane that would actuatlly be deployed in Nam.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Cheney received five deferments.  Several sitting US Senators received deferments for flimsy reasons.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;My Draft law would eliminate deferments unless the draftee were completely medically or mentally incapacitated.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And let me say it again, the Democratic Congress, both the House and Senate has not stood up to anything the Bush administration has crammed down the American peoples’ throats.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They have essentially said they control DOJ and they decide which laws can be enforced and when and how.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What makes you think the children of the “elites” would wind up serving? Did our President and VP serve in the war of their time, draft notwithstanding?</p>
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<p>The President ran from any combat and even ran from the Alabama national guard when  told to report for a physical for a plane that would actuatlly be deployed in Nam.</p>
<p>Cheney received five deferments.  Several sitting US Senators received deferments for flimsy reasons.</p>
<p><em>My Draft law would eliminate deferments unless the draftee were completely medically or mentally incapacitated.</em></p>
<p>And let me say it again, the Democratic Congress, both the House and Senate has not stood up to anything the Bush administration has crammed down the American peoples’ throats.</p>
<p>They have essentially said they control DOJ and they decide which laws can be enforced and when and how.</p>
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		<title>By: greenwarrior</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/sometimes-the-crime-is-worse-than-the-coverup/#comment-1137633</link>
		<dc:creator>greenwarrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 01:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What makes you think the children of the “elites” would wind up serving?  Did our President and VP serve in the war of their time, draft notwithstanding?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What makes you think the children of the “elites” would wind up serving?  Did our President and VP serve in the war of their time, draft notwithstanding?</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/sometimes-the-crime-is-worse-than-the-coverup/#comment-1137626</link>
		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 01:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I doubt those numbers for the entire 4 plus years of the “Iraq War” would have African Americans and Hispanics lower than whites, but I agree with you poor is the operative word Steve.  And until the rich=influential (because they buy Congress and Senate members like some people buy whores) have their family members blown up and the pieces put in Dover coffins nothing whatsoever is going to change.  Nothing.  &lt;strong&gt;No Democrat is doing a thing to stop the fiasco in Iraq.  Not a scintilla of one thing.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt those numbers for the entire 4 plus years of the “Iraq War” would have African Americans and Hispanics lower than whites, but I agree with you poor is the operative word Steve.  And until the rich=influential (because they buy Congress and Senate members like some people buy whores) have their family members blown up and the pieces put in Dover coffins nothing whatsoever is going to change.  Nothing.  <strong>No Democrat is doing a thing to stop the fiasco in Iraq.  Not a scintilla of one thing.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
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		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 01:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;True, but, it should be a draft for National Service, be it Americorps, Peace Corps, etc… Not specifically to the military, only…&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;I respectfully disagree.  Let’s see if the elitsia (they know who they are) and the people with the big homes and multiple toys get engaged when their kiddies get their asses hauled to Iraq. I’m sick and tired of seeing columns from bumper sticker chicken hawks saying “We Must Win”&lt;/strong&gt;  Win what?  Against and over whom?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Iraqui parliament has recessed for another month.  It’s a joke.  Our puppet governmnent there is a joke.  The Shiite racist El Maliki is a joke.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The people of this country and their Congress have been completely &lt;strong&gt;deliberately indifferent&lt;/strong&gt; as to the dispicable Dover coffins being filled, the lack of protection for 85% of the deaths caused by explosive devices, and the myriad problems that have not been solved by the American Occupation of Iraq not limited to but including millions of displaced refugees, millions who are homeless, billions of dollars pissed away to the tune of  $100,00 per minute, $5 billion per month, and $400 billion and growing, no consistent electricity or water, a cholera pandemic, etc.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>True, but, it should be a draft for National Service, be it Americorps, Peace Corps, etc… Not specifically to the military, only…</p>
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<p><strong>I respectfully disagree.  Let’s see if the elitsia (they know who they are) and the people with the big homes and multiple toys get engaged when their kiddies get their asses hauled to Iraq. I’m sick and tired of seeing columns from bumper sticker chicken hawks saying “We Must Win”</strong>  Win what?  Against and over whom?</p>
<p>The Iraqui parliament has recessed for another month.  It’s a joke.  Our puppet governmnent there is a joke.  The Shiite racist El Maliki is a joke.</p>
<p>The people of this country and their Congress have been completely <strong>deliberately indifferent</strong> as to the dispicable Dover coffins being filled, the lack of protection for 85% of the deaths caused by explosive devices, and the myriad problems that have not been solved by the American Occupation of Iraq not limited to but including millions of displaced refugees, millions who are homeless, billions of dollars pissed away to the tune of  $100,00 per minute, $5 billion per month, and $400 billion and growing, no consistent electricity or water, a cholera pandemic, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: CTuttle</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/sometimes-the-crime-is-worse-than-the-coverup/#comment-1137616</link>
		<dc:creator>CTuttle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 01:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://icasualties.org/oif/&quot;&gt;http://icasualties.org/oif/&lt;/a&gt; and US census data.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Ah, I see, you’re only looking at the casualty #’s, not the enlistment #’s…  I believe Military Times can provide the numbers…  I’ll see if I can find a link…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><a href="http://icasualties.org/oif/">http://icasualties.org/oif/</a> and US census data.</p>
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<p>Ah, I see, you’re only looking at the casualty #’s, not the enlistment #’s…  I believe Military Times can provide the numbers…  I’ll see if I can find a link…</p>
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