Comments on: Peggy Noonan Admits GOP Is Controlled By Fundies, “Idiots” http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/peggy-noonan-admits-gop-is-controlled-by-fundies-idiots/ Firedoglake weblog Sat, 28 Nov 2009 02:10:00 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: cinnamonape http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/peggy-noonan-admits-gop-is-controlled-by-fundies-idiots/#comment-1138504 cinnamonape Sat, 08 Dec 2007 14:48:27 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/peggy-noonan-admits-gop-is-controlled-by-fundies-idiots/#comment-1138504 <p>I’m wondering if there is a reason that the only agnostic or atheist or freethinker she could think of was “Jeremiah ‘Liver Eatin’ Johnson”? Not Einstein? Not Paine? Not Mark Twain? Or Richard Feynman? Or Robert Frost? </p> <p>Instead she refers to the “village atheist” (aka “some village has lost its ‘atheist’”), antisocial survivalist, and Brahmin (i.e. elitist) doubters.</p> <p>Code words, anyone?</p> I’m wondering if there is a reason that the only agnostic or atheist or freethinker she could think of was “Jeremiah ‘Liver Eatin’ Johnson”? Not Einstein? Not Paine? Not Mark Twain? Or Richard Feynman? Or Robert Frost?

Instead she refers to the “village atheist” (aka “some village has lost its ‘atheist’”), antisocial survivalist, and Brahmin (i.e. elitist) doubters.

Code words, anyone?

]]> By: cinnamonape http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/peggy-noonan-admits-gop-is-controlled-by-fundies-idiots/#comment-1138452 cinnamonape Sat, 08 Dec 2007 13:51:30 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/peggy-noonan-admits-gop-is-controlled-by-fundies-idiots/#comment-1138452 <p>Moses Michael Hayes, David Franks, Haym Salomon, Mordecai Sheftall and Francis Salvador - these were patriots, and refused to accept the idea that America was a “Christian nation”. In fact, Hayes, pointed out that a loyalty oath required of those supporting and fighting in the Revolution contained an offensive reference to “as Christians”. He noted that there were Jews, Native Americans, and those who doubted the divinity of Jesus amongst their ranks…and they changed the phrase to “as men of reason”.</p> <p>Apparently Romney would rather imply that he is one with the evangelical fundamentalists rather than one with the country when he states that he would exclude Moslems categorically from his cabinet because they are “all extremists” and, besides, make up such a small percentage of the country (despite the fact that Mormons only make up about 3.5% of the population…and HE would be President). </p> <p>Mitch is a case of being a bigot who wants to belong to the club that won’t have him.</p> Moses Michael Hayes, David Franks, Haym Salomon, Mordecai Sheftall and Francis Salvador – these were patriots, and refused to accept the idea that America was a “Christian nation”. In fact, Hayes, pointed out that a loyalty oath required of those supporting and fighting in the Revolution contained an offensive reference to “as Christians”. He noted that there were Jews, Native Americans, and those who doubted the divinity of Jesus amongst their ranks…and they changed the phrase to “as men of reason”.

Apparently Romney would rather imply that he is one with the evangelical fundamentalists rather than one with the country when he states that he would exclude Moslems categorically from his cabinet because they are “all extremists” and, besides, make up such a small percentage of the country (despite the fact that Mormons only make up about 3.5% of the population…and HE would be President).

Mitch is a case of being a bigot who wants to belong to the club that won’t have him.

]]> By: piniella http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/peggy-noonan-admits-gop-is-controlled-by-fundies-idiots/#comment-1137594 piniella Sat, 08 Dec 2007 00:59:44 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/peggy-noonan-admits-gop-is-controlled-by-fundies-idiots/#comment-1137594 <p>BLUE -</p> <p>Thanx for reading Noonan so I don’t have to! Having her admit that there are idiots in the GOP’s Fundie base is terrific.</p> BLUE -

Thanx for reading Noonan so I don’t have to! Having her admit that there are idiots in the GOP’s Fundie base is terrific.

]]> By: RevBev http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/peggy-noonan-admits-gop-is-controlled-by-fundies-idiots/#comment-1137553 RevBev Sat, 08 Dec 2007 00:17:31 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/peggy-noonan-admits-gop-is-controlled-by-fundies-idiots/#comment-1137553 <p>To 97, etc above. Early in this post there are some thoughtful comments about tolerance or not so much. There are at least 2 ministers who post here, and speaking only for myself, I do not think that I belong to any cult. Of course, who knows what to say about Texans or Democrats or Lawyer associations! So as you choose your labels, it may be that you are using much too broad a stroke.</p> To 97, etc above. Early in this post there are some thoughtful comments about tolerance or not so much. There are at least 2 ministers who post here, and speaking only for myself, I do not think that I belong to any cult. Of course, who knows what to say about Texans or Democrats or Lawyer associations! So as you choose your labels, it may be that you are using much too broad a stroke.

]]> By: SouthernDragon http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/peggy-noonan-admits-gop-is-controlled-by-fundies-idiots/#comment-1137495 SouthernDragon Fri, 07 Dec 2007 23:45:07 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/peggy-noonan-admits-gop-is-controlled-by-fundies-idiots/#comment-1137495 <p>Well said.</p> <p>When we start taking the public school system away from the profiteers we’ll have a chance to truly educate our children. “A well-informed citizenry…” and all that.</p> Well said.

When we start taking the public school system away from the profiteers we’ll have a chance to truly educate our children. “A well-informed citizenry…” and all that.

]]> By: SouthernDragon http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/peggy-noonan-admits-gop-is-controlled-by-fundies-idiots/#comment-1137480 SouthernDragon Fri, 07 Dec 2007 23:38:21 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/peggy-noonan-admits-gop-is-controlled-by-fundies-idiots/#comment-1137480 <p>Then there was Willard the weather guy on morning TV for a long time. Wore Carmen Miranda hats (lots of bananas, pineapples and other tropical vegetation) and that kinda stuff.</p> Then there was Willard the weather guy on morning TV for a long time. Wore Carmen Miranda hats (lots of bananas, pineapples and other tropical vegetation) and that kinda stuff.

]]> By: USpace http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/peggy-noonan-admits-gop-is-controlled-by-fundies-idiots/#comment-1137401 USpace Fri, 07 Dec 2007 22:58:43 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/peggy-noonan-admits-gop-is-controlled-by-fundies-idiots/#comment-1137401 <p>The Fundie’s are a weak yet reliable link in the GOP. They will NEVER control the agenda, it’s just that the GOP offers them a better shot at what they would prefer than the Democrats. Don’t worry too much about them anyway, they don’t want to convert, enslave or kill unbelievers or stone adulterers, rape victims and gays to death. Those fascists are the neo-Liberals and the classic liberals biggest enemies.</p> <p>absurd thought -<br /> God of the Universe says<br /> politics is religion</p> <p>feeling is most important<br /> thinking is not required</p> <p>absurd thought -<br /> God of the Universe says<br /> claim to care for people</p> <p>call yourself progressive<br /> bad policies hurt poor folk</p> <p><a href="http://absurdthoughtsaboutgod.blogspot.com/">http://absurdthoughtsaboutgod.blogspot.com/</a><br /> .</p> The Fundie’s are a weak yet reliable link in the GOP. They will NEVER control the agenda, it’s just that the GOP offers them a better shot at what they would prefer than the Democrats. Don’t worry too much about them anyway, they don’t want to convert, enslave or kill unbelievers or stone adulterers, rape victims and gays to death. Those fascists are the neo-Liberals and the classic liberals biggest enemies.

absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
politics is religion

feeling is most important
thinking is not required

absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
claim to care for people

call yourself progressive
bad policies hurt poor folk

http://absurdthoughtsaboutgod.blogspot.com/
.

]]> By: amberglow http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/peggy-noonan-admits-gop-is-controlled-by-fundies-idiots/#comment-1137389 amberglow Fri, 07 Dec 2007 22:43:36 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/peggy-noonan-admits-gop-is-controlled-by-fundies-idiots/#comment-1137389 <p>Obama totally did, and he also used the same strawman thing, but against us whose votes he needs. It was very similar to Romney’s speech and just as wrong.</p> <p>Sirota: Reinforcing Dishonest Storylines: <a href="http://davidsirota.com/index.php/2006/06/28/obama-bayh-reinforcing-dishonest-storylines/">http://davidsirota.com/index.p…..torylines/</a></p> <p><em>Obama, of course, is trying to portray himself as having the courage to stand up against these supposed Democrats that constitute the “we” in his rhetoric - the “we” that supposedly make this mistake of “fail[ing] to acknowledge the power of faith.” Yet, again, he doesn’t offer any names to tell us who constitutes the “we.” Why? Because there are none. What Democrat of any prominence at all in America “fails to acknowledge the power of faith in the lives of the American people?” I can’t think of one. It is a straw man - one that might make Obama look like a man of “courage” or “principle” - but one that dishonestly reinforces right-wing stereotypes about supposedly “godless” liberals/Democrats.</em></p> Obama totally did, and he also used the same strawman thing, but against us whose votes he needs. It was very similar to Romney’s speech and just as wrong.

Sirota: Reinforcing Dishonest Storylines: http://davidsirota.com/index.p…..torylines/

Obama, of course, is trying to portray himself as having the courage to stand up against these supposed Democrats that constitute the “we” in his rhetoric – the “we” that supposedly make this mistake of “fail[ing] to acknowledge the power of faith.” Yet, again, he doesn’t offer any names to tell us who constitutes the “we.” Why? Because there are none. What Democrat of any prominence at all in America “fails to acknowledge the power of faith in the lives of the American people?” I can’t think of one. It is a straw man – one that might make Obama look like a man of “courage” or “principle” – but one that dishonestly reinforces right-wing stereotypes about supposedly “godless” liberals/Democrats.

]]> By: Veritas78 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/peggy-noonan-admits-gop-is-controlled-by-fundies-idiots/#comment-1137352 Veritas78 Fri, 07 Dec 2007 22:02:43 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/peggy-noonan-admits-gop-is-controlled-by-fundies-idiots/#comment-1137352 <p>“People of faith” = cult followers.</p> “People of faith” = cult followers.

]]> By: xanthippe http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/peggy-noonan-admits-gop-is-controlled-by-fundies-idiots/#comment-1137350 xanthippe Fri, 07 Dec 2007 21:54:14 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/peggy-noonan-admits-gop-is-controlled-by-fundies-idiots/#comment-1137350 <p>I hate that phrase, “people of faith.” It is so insufferably smug — just like the xtianists themselves.</p> I hate that phrase, “people of faith.” It is so insufferably smug — just like the xtianists themselves.

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