ES!

ES!

ES! yeap, the writing is on the wall.

Hail hail, muse muse ES ES! Late late.

Timelines good.

Hiya ES!!!!

If the house doesn’t take action now then it is confirmed. They are traitors.

ES in da house…

It’s written in fluorescent paint…!

Eureka!
If you aren’t pissed, you must be extracting oxygen from Kool-Aid.

Larry Johnson has an opinion on the CIA torture tapes.

I am beginning to think Speaker Pelosi believes in things she don’t understand.

Hmmmmmmm..bad link, try again..hope they get preview working
link

Larry Johnson has an opinion on the CIA torture tapes.

It takes us to TPM Cafe! With no mention of Larry…

from Steve-AR’s link:

Looks like the cat is out of the bag and the “new family jewels” were destroyed. What am I talking about? Today’s revelation in the NY Times that, “the Central Intelligence Agency in 2005 destroyed at least two videotapes documenting the interrogation of two Qaeda operatives in the agency’s custody, a step it took in the midst of Congressional and legal scrutiny about its secret detention program, according to current and former government officials.”

During the Church Committee investigation of CIA misdeeds in 1975-76, “family jewels” was the euphemism for the list of unsavory secret activities–e.g., assassination, domestic spying, etc.–carried out by CIA officers that then CIA Director, William Colby, handed over to Congress. Those “jewels” tarnished the Agency’s reputation and its officers. Well, here we go again.

Let’s cut to the chase…

Let’s be clear why these were destroyed–the chief of the Operations Division, Jose Rodriguez, understood that this was video evidence of torture. It was not the exposure of clandestine identities that had him fretting. It was the fear that CIA officers and contractors could be standing before a tribunal in the Hague trying to explain why the images of torture were not torture.

Hello?

and another snip:

Then there is the question of tradecraft. Did the CIA officers participating in the interrogation/torture sessions allow themselves to be filmed so that they could be easily identified? I am skeptical. When the truth comes out I think we are likely to discover the people doing the questioning were contractors, not undercover Agency officers.

Nice, ES!

Well, here we go again.

Impeach before Church I always say.

Contractors on steroids.

Did we run off Snarkassandra with our OLD tune? *s*

I believe the dreaded I word is going to be spoken a lot this weekend in conversations behind closed doors.

There is at least one competing explanation, though:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..75850.html

However nobody seems to be able to tell what this guy’s source is, so I’m skeptical.

ES, I think Cassie has her grandparents visiting this week – she and Tex have not been on as much as usual.

I am here but also on IM and facebook and all over the place.

Ok let me see if I got the story straight the CIA destroyed the tapes to protect the identities of their agents, because Congress might out them?
I mean who else would see these tapes besides them, and maybe a judge and jury? In which case I’m sure some blue dot technology could protect the agent’s identity.
Also where the heck was all this concern about protecting OUTED CIA AGENTS WHEN THE WHITE HOUSE OUTED Valerie Palme!

hehehhe.. i like how larry closed his post:

Be assured that lawyers in Washington are celebrating this as a holiday gift. I am sure many CIA officers will get a chance to use the insurance policies they bought, which helps defray legal expenses. I doubt that Jose Rodriguez will be a willing scapegoat. In fact, I would not be surprised if he kept some information back that would help exonerate him just in case this very contingency arose.

Suzanne they went back to their hotel.

I just spent over two hours with Ray Metcalfe, the Alaska muckraker who got the ball rolling for the FBI investigations into political corruption up here. He filed late last month to run against Sen. Ted Stevens.

Ray is a walking encyclopedia of Alaska political sleaze. I didn’t take notes, because I’ll be talking to him again soon, at length for an articcle for Howie Klein. One of the many new things I learned today is that when the Fed investigation started to get legs, the White House tried to shut it down. According to Metcalfe, the FBI sttod its ground. threatening a “Saturday Night Massacre” scenario. Bush backed off.

dayam, ET, he has proof the WH tried to shut down the FBI Alaska investigation and they threatened a “Sat Nite massacre”? dayam

Hayden did not disclose one of the al Qaeda suspects whose tapes were destroyed. But he did identify the other. It was Abu Zubaydah, the top ranking terror suspect when he was tracked and captured in Pakistan in 2003.

EmptyWheel says…

“Was Ramzi Bin al-Shibh the Second Al Qaeda Detainee?”

Pass the popcorn…

Me..nag…nag…Screw the magical thinking of the Hague, go for US Code: Title 18, 2441.

Gonzo tried to cover their asses and prevent seeing the “needle” with the MCA of 2006..but even if that “law” doesn’t get over turned, it still includes torture as an offense that can be prosecuted.

Great tune, ES. that begets this lo-fi Framptonesque Jeff Beck version of Superstition

better yet: ‘Cause We’ve Ended as Lovers

Merry Fitzmas! 8-)

ya’ll get the feeling that the WH has been sitting on a shit mountain and all their crap is leaking with no one willing to stick their fingers in the dike anymore?

ET, when you meet with Ray again, see if you can get some WH names. Twould be real interesting to find out just whose WH fingerprints are on Teddy.

EW and krewe have been on fire lately. Spendin’ most of my time over there.

ya’ll get the feeling that the WH has been sitting on a shit mountain and all their crap is leaking with no one willing to stick their fingers in the dike anymore?

Pick a Department, any Department… How many fingers are necessary…?

That would be a roger…..

shoes dropping right and left… and I’m sure there are more to come – sure wish Pelosi would get up off her ass… I’m thinking it is probably a good thing that DK filed his impeachment papers… even if they are just sitting on Conyers’ desk.

HHmmmmm. are there cool people in the comments there too?

We’ll see how solid it is. I just know from his many articles and letters over the years, that he’s always been totally honest and knows this to be true. I don’t think he has “proof” – as in direct evidence tying the WH. But he’s been told as much by more than one Fed currewntly working on the CONTINUING investigation. I’m sure somebody in DOJ and the FBI has evidence directly linking George W. Bush with a failed attempt to shut down the investigations of Alaskan political corruption. 100% sure.

An extremely icky analogy, but certainly accurate :0)

That links to Chinese airbus shipping problems.

Click on my name and read my newest post… Not much of me, but, it packs a punch… *g*

tisk tisk, so scat-a blog-ical

Definitely cool people, Snarkie.

Definitely cool people, Snarkie.

Many of the usual suspects… *g*

icky is exactly the term for these criminals running our goverment

Check my @ 12

Impeach!
—-fluorescent paint—-

I’m getting good ideas here.

OT: This looks like some very timely stuff: http://www.craigunger.com/

et, i’m looking forward to reading more of your take on your talks with him.

The commenting at EW’s place is generally not quite so personal as it is here, it tends to be very topic-focused. Like work, but for a better purpose. ;-)

well i am not looking at any new blogs till after exams.

The commenting at EW’s place is generally not quite so personal as it is here, it tends to be very topic-focused. Like work, but for a better purpose. ;-)

True, the repartee is muted, but, the volume of legalese is awesome… *g*

“Run, don’t walk (go to Amazon if you must), to buy Craig Unger’s brilliant new book The Fall of the House of Bush. Forget about the clash of civilizations between Islam and the West. Unger’s subject is the war that really matters: the one between Islamic, Jewish, and Christian fundamentalists on one side, and the scientific (reality-based!) post-Enlightenment world that some of us still prefer to inhabit.”

g’evening pups. exciting news, ET!

while enduring a cold the last few days ii’ve been lurking rather than commenting … new login procedure is still being a hassle ;-(

I’m still counting on the dam busting wide open at the end of January. Get your hip-waders ready, pups. I for one won’t mind the wading if it means the shite is finally out in the open and no longer ignored.

From KO’s Special comment:

My comments, Mr. Bush, are often dismissed as simple repetitions of the phrase “George Bush has no business being president.”

Well, guess what?

Tonight: hanged by your own words and convicted by your own deliberate lies…

You, sir, have no business being president.

Good night, and good luck.

Time for me to turn in folks, gotta work a few hours in the morning. Good night all!

good night Madmommy.

OT..Taylor Marsh points put the obvious:

The Door Romney Should Never Have Opened

link

My next question is who in the CIA ordered the tapes destruction and did they get any legal advice from the Gonzo Justice Dept?
Also I want this false ” protect the CIA agents identities ” excuse/talking point stopped.
When has Bush ever helped Valerie get justice for what his White House did when they outed her?
Given the way the White House handles investigations of outed CIA agents by stonewalling the investigation and pardoning/buying the silence of the guilty. I have no confidence in the Bush administration to investigate itself.
We need an independent counsel with subpoena power!

Aloha, MM!

For John Lennon

Empty Garden by Elton John

g’nite mm

I like how you think, Steve. But, how do we get past presidential pardons, including presidential self-pardons? IANAL, and I’m only saying that it looks like a problem for a brilliant legal mind.

That should be “out” the obvious.

Shite, shite, and more shite.

Brings tears to my eyes, that does.

“…the war that really matters: the one between Islamic, Jewish, and Christian fundamentalists on one side, and the scientific (reality-based!) post-Enlightenment world that some of us still prefer to inhabit.”

Also known as The Assault on Reason… did I mention Al Gore gets his Nobel Peace Prize on Monday?

I have no confidence in the Bush administration to investigate itself.
We need an independent counsel with subpoena power!

I do believe Sheldon Whitehouse has painted Mukasey into a corner, the OLC ain’t gonna cut it…

Paging ET:

“Former Alaska House Speaker Pete Kott was sentenced to six years in a federal prison Friday for accepting $9,000 in bribes from the founder of an oil field services company.”

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/n…..ced_in.php

I think Bush is too much of a self involved psychopath to issue blanket pardons. If he does, the I assume the people pardoned will have no 5th rights and will have to testify and tell the truth. If they don’t then contempt and obstruction.

I have it on good authority that Ungar is likely to be a guest on the Ian Masters show streaming and broadcasting from KPFK in LA around noon on Sunday.

Just don’t logout and you won’t have any hastles NDFG.

Out of curiosity I checked up on Stevie today. He toured for the first time in twelve years, this year. Rave reviews like one hardly ever reads, but not to sold out shows, much to my surprise.

…did I mention Al Gore gets his Nobel Peace Prize on Monday?

Didn’t Shrub develop a tic suddenly… 8-)

Maybe Poppie can buy Little Boots his very own Nobel, battery powered and all.

BTW, former Alaska Legislator, Speaker of the House Pete Kott, recently convicted in the Federal sting that George W. Bush attempted and failed to quash, was sentenced today to six years in Federal prison. The judge departed from sentencing guidelines and increased the sentence, because he found that Kott had perjured himself in his court testimony. Kott is the second of five so far convicted to be sentenced.

i don’t logout and it still gives me problems. the only site to do so on this computer.

I like how you think, Steve. But, how do we get past presidential pardons, including presidential self-pardons? IANAL, and I’m only saying that it looks like a problem for a brilliant legal mind.

Impeachment is a brilliant solution… Hmmm… why didn’t anyone think of it sooner…? 8-(

Now that ES has made it to the front page, I will have to link some photos of Eureka Springs, AR…. after I figure out how to do it.

ES,
I’d love to see him again. He was the first group to play at the first concert I went to.

Excellent.

Possible human-to-human H5N1 infection case in China:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/…..refer=home

i don’t logout and it still gives me problems. the only site to do so on this computer.

However, being the persistent, insistent Virgo that you are, you persevere… *g*

Possible human-to-human H5N1 infection case in China:

fuck

Stress: Possible.

i know it is possible but… i also know the day will come when there will be a confirmation. this brings us one step closer.

Possible human-to-human H5N1 infection case in China:

And it’s headed for your local Wal-mart soon…

China is the incubator for influenza virus. Birds..pigs and Humans.

Why stop at melamite and lead paint…?

china and most of southeast asia iirc, steve-ar. a big cauldron with nasty germs coming out of all that co-mingling.

Assault on Reality by Belief,
Can faith still move mountains if what you believe is evil? Bush sold us this war on lies, just like Viet Nam another war we lost was sold to the American people by lies.
The lesson seems to be we will lose every war we fight based on the knowing lies of the president.

So, did any Friday document dumps happen?

OT…interesting..This must have been a poll before the Wayne Dumond story started betting some traction.

link

Can’t disagree with you there. Now, why doesn’t a plurality of the electorate ever learn that lesson?

So, did any Friday document dumps happen?

twas a very boring news day today (/snark)

i’ve been following the bird flu (hrN1) stuff at Effect Measure (linked page is latest example) and FluWiki. It is very possible that human-to-human transmission has happened in Indonesia, but it seems official info is in general range of reliablility of official Chinese info. One of these days we will have a pandemic, whether bird flu or something else. We’re due. Average is about three pandemics per century.

So, did any Friday document dumps happen?

Sort of…
Senator Whitehouse lit up Chimpy but good this morning, after having transcribed documents he first read in a classified setting, and subsequently had declassified. Youtube in two parts, compliments of selise (of course).

Yeah, I suppose there were a few other high points, now that you mention it…

Average is about three pandemics per century.

Start of the new century with a bang… 1918 might be small potatoes in comparison…

You may say I’m a dreamer, but I’m not the only one…

Imagine – John Lennon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEOkxRLzBf0

mother nature’s way of population control?

That was no mere document dump, Sir, that was the sound of the beginning of the end for Team W.

Still no preview or spellcheck… arrgh…

I don’t know about superstition.

But do briefs, with kneelers, have magical powers?

The earth has survived many pests over its long history. They’re gone, but the planet keeps spinning, ticking.

if we, as a species, aren’t willing to control our population, Mother Nature’s gonna do it for us.

A classic in so many ways… *g*

yeap, ET and NDFG.

ya’ll remember those don’t mess with mother nature commercials back in the 70’s? time to bring em back.

Thantos the Death instinct?

The earth has survived many pests over its long history. They’re gone, but the planet keeps spinning, ticking.

*gasp* Ya mean ‘Evolving’…? 8-)

Maybe soon we’ll all be going about wearing sterile face masks, like Tokyo Harajuku girls.

i’ve enjoyed my brief dip in the lake, but bedtime calls. G’night, pups. Have sweet dreams of impeachment …

*gasp* Ya mean ‘Evolving’…? 8-)

laughing

Mmmmm, peach mint. Snack time!

g’nite ndfg

The President determines what is constitutional according to secret DOJ proceedings…

see http://thinkprogress.org/2007/…..peech-olc/

I do think we can master our instincts but can we as a group master our herd instincts? Can blog group minds help the larger society group become aware?

Help me get my feet back on the ground!

Help! – The Beatles (live at Shea Stadium)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOLdos3aY60

Maybe soon we’ll all be going about wearing sterile face masks, like Tokyo Harajuku girls.

I remember wanting a surgical mask when I was strolling in downtown Seoul in ‘91, I’m sure the air quality hasn’t improved… I felt flakes hit my front teeth… Hmmm…

Who would you be working for if you were a republican and why? This has got to be rough for them…

I was just looking at a picture of Huckleberry and got to thinking about it…

Well, they can certainly help do the research, see EW’s place the past couple days.

Have sweet dreams of impeachment …

Ahh… Almost as sweet as pain-free rest… Aloha, NDFG!

Look how young they are … and I saw that Ed Sullivan Show when they first played in the USA.

One thing concerns me (OK, more than one). How on earth is old man Conyers ever going to be able to handle a serious impeachment investigation? He has been awful this year. Could he hire some Whitehouse like prosecutors?

Okay, time for some heavy artillery… Fire for Effect…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO0gSJGJ7Fs

Pelosi was closeted with Barney “Hedge Fund” Frank, fascist financier Felix Rohatyn, Larry Summers, and others to solve our economic problems.

At a presser following, unwanted questions were quickly terminated.

Seems the Zionists have a death grip on our affairs.

I wonder about that too. He could hire the best of staff though, I would think. I also wonder if he gets together with Waxman or if the two staffs get together. Do the Senate and House folks get together to coordinate? Conyers/Leahy?

You will have to excuse the twerps who think TBogg has been “assimilated”, or any other such bullshit.
Here’s his noon post today…
“America Gets A Huckaboner”

Wow! I’ve never read comments at youtube before. Very interesting…Hey CT heave on with the heavy artillery.

And when I touch you, I feel happy inside!

I Wanna Hold Your Hand – The Beatles (on the Ed Sullivan Show)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubkwVWH-Ia0

And I SWOONED… inside.

Wow! I’ve never read comments at youtube before. Very interesting…Hey CT heave on with the heavy artillery.

Yes’m… in tribute to my boyz…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5yrWPzAPbI

So did I. ;)

What’s that spell? FUCKERY FUCKERY.

Well, we all shine on, like the Moon and the Stars and the Sun…

Instant Karma – John Lennon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3URLhMam-o

Lies! We were duped again…! 8-(

tis a great utube CT – ES was ticked I called dibs on it earlier in the week.

Well, we all shine on, like the Moon and the Stars and the Sun…

Instant Karma – John Lennon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3URLhMam-o

That’s right… December 8th.

Love this — and we all shine on. That only happens here at FDL and a few other Progressive places …

tis a great utube CT – ES was ticked I called dibs on it earlier in the week.

Dang, I’m always late to the party! Hawaiian Style, natch… ;-)

Not late to the party…always here with us.

Es and I have been chatting about having a UTUBE War (snort) like he thinks he can take me (snort) he was not happy when i claimed first dibs with my claim to the country joe & the fish song.

I just put up my post on my meeting with Ray Metcalfe, the Alaska muckraker who has filed to run against Sen. Ted Stevens.

I’ll be spending a lot of time trying to describe this race.

It’s positively infuriating to see the cosmic wheel of justice turn soooo slowly within this Maladministration… 8-(

Game on!

looks like a great story to follow, ET.

what was that? did i hear something from the peanut gallery saying game on?

*snort* He has no idea that he’s up against the quickest… Duh! *g*

It’s positively infuriating to see the cosmic wheel of justice turn soooo slowly within this Maladministration… 8-(

Yep. It will be a great relief to see them leave, but somehow, anything short of thorough disgrace and incarceration seems unthinkable and maddening.

so, ES, how ya wanna set the terms and conditions of the FDL UTUBE War?

Protest songs?

It’s been fun tonight! See you pups tomorrow for more of BushCo Implosion Weekend!

Working Class Hero – John Lennon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njG7p6CSbCU

(Careful with the arousin’ the Great and Powerful Oz there.)

g’nite radiofreewill

Yep. It will be a great relief to see them leave, but somehow, anything short of thorough disgrace and incarceration seems unthinkable and maddening.

Impeachment, nay, war crime tribunals await… Bwhahahaha… 8-)

Protest songs?

Game On, ES? (ducking!)

Pups, pups: Priorities! First, carefully separate the bad guys from the reins of power. We’re not there yet. Patience.

Later comes the heads on the roasting spits… uhrm, I mean, the stately turning of the righteous wheels of Justice.

Perfect Suz.

‘Nite, RFW. Sweet dreams. Your stuff today has been an inspiration.

Later comes the heads on the roasting spits…

If not, we’ll be eating cake… ;-)

Let’s be clear why these were destroyed–the chief of the Operations Division, Jose Rodriguez, understood that this was video evidence of torture. It was not the exposure of clandestine identities that had him fretting. It was the fear that CIA officers and contractors could be standing before a tribunal in the Hague trying to explain why the images of torture were not torture.

This is EXACTLY the point. And if you read Glenn Greenwald today he discusses how 2 Democrats have known of the intention to destroy this evidence and have remained silent. Traitors to the constitution.

so, ES, are we gonna let the pups be a part of our utube war?

This is EXACTLY the point. And if you read Glenn Greenwald today he discusses how 2 Democrats have known of the intention to destroy this evidence and have remained silent. Traitors to the constitution.

Would they be Jello Jay and Jane Harmon…? Hmmm…

For What Its Worth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0g9PiEgYYUU

Absolutely, I figure they know the best songs… Dueling protests?

So, what nights you wanna duel, ES? You game for next week?

Nice salvo, Rat!

The ULTIMATE protest song!

(only appropriate for late night)

O-HI-O! O-HI-O!

smgumby, SPEW and 707

CSNY!

Hi CTutt! (I see I showed up at the perfect time :))

More heavy artillery: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWkWSLEW-Ds

Sure.. What should we call it? Drumming for impeachment?

thank you!

The Ohio…

http://youtube.com/watch?v=X6Vy4Tq-5a8

A small salvo upstairs

(…cringing in the corner as usual while the alpha-males and -females get it out of their systems…)

Let’s continue the terms upstairs folks

I thought we should take a wide stance with our songs. Protest od war, labor etc.

“

“Let’s cut to the chase…

Let’s be clear why these were destroyed–the chief of the Operations Division, Jose Rodriguez, understood that this was video evidence of torture. It was not the exposure of clandestine identities that had him fretting. It was the fear that CIA officers and contractors could be standing before a tribunal in the Hague trying to explain why the images of torture were not torture.

Hello?”

Well, this is gonna make it a bit more awkward for the chief commander decider guy to stand up in front of the American people and say “We do not torture,” doncha think? Or maybe he’ll send out Dana Peroxide to “explain why the images of torture were not torture.”

Are we having fun yet, Dana?

Bob in HI

” In response to Suzanne @ 14

and another snip:

Then there is the question of tradecraft. Did the CIA officers participating in the interrogation/torture sessions allow themselves to be filmed so that they could be easily identified? I am skeptical. When the truth comes out I think we are likely to discover the people doing the questioning were contractors, not undercover Agency officers.”

Or maybe … Saudis? The Commander guy’s best buddies? Or maybe, as was suggested today by someone, that the tapes actually show the victim eagerly naming members of the Saudi royal family as his best buddies?

I’m relishing this a bit. The best bad news in a long time.

Bob in HI

1,689 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN GOEZ ON AND ON AND..

Citizen Eureka Springs and the Firepup Freedom fIGHTERS:

Let’s hold our collective glee over the disclosure of the destroyed evidence…the fascists have been settin’ up the intelligence community since 9/12/01 to take the fall for “flawed” intelligence gettin us into this entire mess. Likewise, the beastmasters have snookered the Democratic leadership by intimidatin’ ‘em into signin’ on with EVERYthin’ they’ve done. So now when the shit is runnin’ down their leg, they are settin’ up the intelligence agencies and their “contractors” to take the fall for criminal behavior masterminded in the oval office (or is that “orfice”). None of this is even gunna get ta hearings in the Congress ‘cuz too many Democrats are compromised in this horrible nightmare.

Let’s not forget the kids in the desert hunkered down tryin’ ta keep each other alive until we regain some sanity here and bring ‘em home…

KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T BELIEVE A THING THEY SAY!!

If you can’t do the time don’t do the crime. Killin rapen murder destroy starve and decimate has a price that must be paid. Flame thrower your out of gas time to reload I don’t give shit what’s after their name. What you say id collusion like Nancy P. No offence just the truth.