Mitt Romney’s speech today on the role of his religion in public life should be enough to disqualify him from being President, but the reasons have nothing to do with "his church’s distinctive doctrines," which he declined to describe, even as he disingenuously assured us that his values "are the self-same as those from the other faiths." What Romney confessed is that he doesn’t believe in the Constitution.
"When I place my hand on the Bible and take the oath of office," Romney warned us, "that oath becomes my highest promise to God." But Romney then made clear that the promise was to undermine the "Establishment Clause" of the Constitution’s First Amendment:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
You see, the framers understood that to keep a diverse nation from tearing itself apart in religious strife they had to preserve and protect two equally important principles: the one respecting the free exercise of religion, which Romney now invokes, and the other, which Romney seeks to undermine, prohibiting the state from establishing religion.
It’s on this latter principle where Romney sends a clear dog whistle to the fundamentalists who most distrust his religious views. When he says he shares their views, he means he shares the view that government should be free to undermine the establishment clause when promoting those religious tenets that he and the fundamentalists share. We hear that whistle throughout the speech, but to set the stage, Romney first performs an intellectual sleight of hand.
‘There are some who may feel that religion is not a matter to be seriously considered in the context of the weighty threats that face us. If so, they are at odds with the nation’s founders, for they, when our nation faced its greatest peril, sought the blessings of the Creator. And further, they discovered the essential connection between the survival of a free land and the protection of religious freedom. In John Adam’s words: ‘We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. … Our Constitution was made for a moral and religious people.’
Note that when he’s quoting the founders, the survival of freedom is explicitly linked to religious freedom. But then Romney does a bait and switch in the next paragraph:
‘Freedom requires religion just as religion requires freedom. Freedom opens the windows of the soul so that man can discover his most profound beliefs and commune with God. Freedom and religion endure together, or perish alone.
So the original principle was that freedom and religious freedom are indivisible; that is, one is part of the other. But when Romney translates it, freedom and religion require each other, and that’s the wedge he then uses to undermine the Establishment Clause in the First Amendment. He then starts chipping away:
No religion should dictate to the state nor should the state interfere with the free practice of religion. [note the establishment prohibition is now missing from that sentence] But in recent years, the notion of the separation of church and state has been taken by some well beyond its original meaning. They seek to remove from the public domain any acknowledgment of God. Religion is seen as merely a private affair with no place in public life. It is as if they are intent on establishing a new religion in America — the religion of secularism. They are wrong.
The founders proscribed the establishment of a state religion, but they did not countenance the elimination of religion from the public square. We are a nation ‘Under God’ and in God, we do indeed trust.
Most Americans would say, "well that’s probably okay," but he’s not done. Having said it’s okay to limit the scope of the Establishment Clause, he goes on to assure right wing fundamentalists, who want to strangle that clause, that he’s sympathetic:
‘We should acknowledge the Creator as did the founders — in ceremony and word. He should remain on our currency, in our pledge, in the teaching of our history, and during the holiday season, nativity scenes and menorahs should be welcome in our public places. Our greatness would not long endure without judges who respect the foundation of faith upon which our Constitution rests. I will take care to separate the affairs of government from any religion, but I will not separate us from ‘the God who gave us liberty.’
"Ceremony and word"? Does that mean laws? Or faith-based initiatives run out of the White House? And what does he mean by "teaching of our history?" Isn’t that a dog whistle to teaching religion — read: our common Christian religion — in public schools? And how should we interpret Romney’s new litmus test for federal judges, if not as a requirement that they be willing to endorse government efforts to chip away at the Establishment Clause?
In such a world, we can be deeply thankful that we live in a land where reason and religion are friends and allies in the cause of liberty, joined against the evils and dangers of the day. [That would be the Muslims, I think.] And you can be certain of this: Any believer in religious freedom, any person who has knelt in prayer to the Almighty, has a friend and ally in me.
How reassuring.



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Zed?
Got it!
Dismantling the Constitution.
I don’t know why you have a problem with this. He’s just promising to finish what Bush started.
Vote Republican. The Foreclosure Party.
If Mittie wins, he will rule by devine right. Just as our present prez does. Yeppers. That’s what we need all right. More Republican brand religion.
Flyero,
You do realize that with the glory of capturing the Zed also comes the responsibility of letting downstairs know that there’s a new thread don’t you?
We Need More Religion in Government
Just like them Iraqis need more religion in gubmint. Yep.
I wonder what he thinks of Jesus Camp.
will do darkine – sorry, just revelling in the moment a bit. I never get Zeds.
Scarecrow is obviously very unserious, and possibly, shrill.
Perhaps we need an amendment that mandates church attendance. Good gawd. The possiblity of another eight years of a Republican religious fanatic in the WH burns my soul.
I notified the downstairs folks, you slackers.
“Freedom REQUIRES religion.”
- Mork Romney, Nahnoo nahnoo
But he IS very, very smart.
puravida (the commenter formerly known as mc)
Not a problem. You just got caught up in the glory of the moment, right?
For me, the gist of Romney’s speech was, “I’m one of You, and I’ll fight against Them.”
I find it deliciously ironic that this man could be elected governor of a blue state like Massachusetts but is having trouble (and lots of it) wooing Republican primary voters.
A couple lines from Romney:
“Freedom requires religion.” Nope. Too sweeping. Maybe for him – not for everybody.
“We are a nation “‘Under God’” — I’m tired of people conflating this with Founder-speak. This phrase was added in the pledge of allegiance in the red-scare 50’s to ideologically thwart the idea of “godless” communism. And the pledge itself was written by a socialist, a cousin of utopian socialist Edward Bellamy. I’ll bet Mitt doesn’t know THAT.
Mitt the Half-wit never (and correct me if I am wrong here) mentioned the word “Mormon” in his entire speech. He avoided that like the fucking plague, because saying Mormon would have been the “One aw-shit undoes 10,000 attaboy” principle. He said “my faith” about 10 dozen times, but never mentioned what his faith is.
Also, Mitt might want to get a little history lesson… the crusaders were religious fanatics of the same order with the same basic tenets and creedos he ascribe to the “Violent Jihadists of Islam”. Yeah, wonder where they learned it?
If this speech was in anyway significant it was to show that Romney is all for abolishing the first and sixth amendments ASAP, and continuing to with that other dog-whistle line about “judges”.
He wears his religion on his sleeve, he just doesn’t want to say what it is/name it for fear of awakening the snoring dipshits in flyover country.
Most fundamentalists don’t get the establishment clause in principle, but I think some of them grasp it temporarily, in a sort of narrow, mean spirited way. If he’s president, and they start haven religion in public buildings, it might not be mine. That should be unconstitutional.
Anybody running for office ought to have to pass a simple Constitution test. This is some scary stuff.
People who sound alarms are supposed to be shrill, Blue Texan! What good would a shy and retiring or more demure alarm do?
scarecrow, that’s a great breakdown of what romney was telling his constituents
but I have to say he delivered that speech very nicely and I think it’s going to be very affective for him to get the nomination
he’s also an attractive man and that gets votes also
I think he’s gonna be their candidate and I think he’s gonna be harder to beat then we thought
“any person who has knelt in prayer to the Almighty, has a friend and ally in me.”
Shorter Mitt the Half-wit: “Atheists get out of America if I am elected the Mormon
Popeerrr Preznit”now only that but the author would have been aghast that “under god” was inserted in his work
My understanding is that he spoke the word “Mormon” once about half way through but I may be mistaken
I thought freedom required fries…it’s all so freaking confusing.
git yer grubby Mitts off my Constitution, fella.
nah, he was in Jamaican mode:
“more, mon”
Rastafari!
To me this is the key problem in my view. The connecting of faith and freedom, which bush does all the time.
The thing about freedom is that it is not unlimited. It’s not like love. Or peace.
And it certainly is not something that requires a religious foundation to appreciate.
More than anything, I think these folks fail to understand that my freedom is limited, to the degree it might infringe on your freedom. bush has never made room for that. His whole life has been an effort to secure his freedom to act, at the expense of others. He has failed to accept responsibility for his actions, because – as he seems to see it – that would limit his freedom.
His “so called faith” is nothing more than the idolatry of self.
Grrrrr!
And to see the Mittster parrot that same type of thing makes me really, really nervous.
“Teach our history”…hmm.
That could mean teaching that “we” were founded by white Europeans who were Christian.
And that we are, therefore, a “Christian nation.”
But I have to say, he’s pretty much done. The conservatives I talk to are for Huckster.
I wanna hear about dem Lamanites, Jaredites, Mulekites, and Nephites. And that Moroni cat. LOL.
So….if you are agnostic or atheist and don’t “acknowledge the Creator as did the founders — in ceremony and word”….ummmm…are they gonna burn you at the stake or send you to his new-and-improved Gitmo on steroids…run by Cofer Black and Blackwater….
I always love how the religious right’s interpretation of celebrating religious freedom in public stops with the token nativity scenes and menorahs. Imagine the reaction if he’d said “…and Wiccan icons!”
Yeah…we got jipped outta that one…I wanted an explanation of how the guy gave the golden plates back to Moroni…
TheraP,
Willard, like the rest of the pygmies, has to pander to the 25% crowd to get the nomination as they all still luvs Little Boots. None of them will mention his name, but they luvs his policies when they talk to the 25%ers.
We need to make Little Boots an anchor around ALL of their necks.
Breaking…
I used to think he was nice looking. That was before the last debate.
Not only should they “pass a test” to make sure they “know” the Constitution, in my view they should all swear allegiance to it ahead of time. When running. And not only that, they should all explain to us what they think the Constitution means. What they are swearing allegiance to.
This, for me, is the over-riding thing I am looking for in any candidate for office. Allegiance to the Constitution. To the Rule of Law. And explaining what they mean by that. What different parts of the Constitution mean. And how they will carry that out.
TheraP @ 29:
“More than anything, I think these folks fail to understand that my freedom is limited, to the degree it might infringe on your freedom. bush has never made room for that. His whole life has been an effort to secure his freedom to act, at the expense of others. He has failed to accept responsibility for his actions, because – as he seems to see it – that would limit his freedom.”
That is usually the conservative cry against liberalism. Big government regulation interferes with my right the rape and plunder. The able need complete freedom of action and use of resources in order to provide the rest of us with jobs.
“freedom’s just another word for nothing left to choose.”
on your knees, boy!
What kind of F*ckery is this…
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/…../#comments
Amen! (snark on the word of course!)
Great post Scarecrow. Sheesh. Dunno why this has become so hard. Each of us has some kind of ideas about what life means, where it comes from, and what our values are. Mine are pretty important to me, though I don’t understand as well as I would like to and I don;lt always live up to what I think I understand. Yours may be different, and you may not even think that the questions that are important to me are meaningful, much less agree with my answers. But I owe you the basic respect of assuming that your understandings and commitments are as important to you as mine are to me. The establishment clause writes that basic respect into the rules that we agree to live by and says that the government is not to get into the business of telling us what those beliefs and understandings ought to be, and is not to favor any one, or any group of them, over others. Back when I was a kid they told me that was one of the great things about the constitution. Now Mitt and the rest of the “strict constructionists” want to rewrite all of that. I can;t decide whether I more more furious, dumbfounded or sick.
And, IIRC, was he not a minister as well? What about the money? How long has “In God We Trust” been on the currency? That has not always been the case either, has it?
I think he mentioned the “angel” Moroni, but never said Mormon… but I could be wrong. :-)
oops, that was supposed to be to the comment subsequent. My badness…
Hear! Hear!
Yes, well said.
Little Cement Boots…(rhetorically speaking, of course, Mr. Secret Service man.)
Here’s Malkkkin’s take;
I have this vision of a Jim Jones as secretary of Homeland Defense!
OT
I just noticed bedlam wasn’t dreaming of rain anymore.
Just as well. I always thought Bad Religion a tad
over-rated, anyway.
I’m loving having Scarecrow posts later in the day.
Pastafarian. Will Mit defend the rights of the Pastafarians?
re imposing one’s faith on society, I urge everyone to read in the December Harper’s Magazine:
“Hot Air Gods”
Curtis White
(firewall, no link – sorry)
Literally, the speech makes you want to start inventing religions just for the fun of it!
Mork’s “Freedom requires religion” thingy is right down there with the typical fundie bleating you hear about “freedom of religion, not freedom from< </strong>/em> religion.”
I, for one, am free from religion, and refuse to be relegated to 2nd class citizenship as a result.
Church of the Disco Mouse Ball works for me…
Malkin misframes it, of course. No one’s turning the tables on the “tolerance squad” (I guess that’s supposed to be a knock at us tolerant folk). He’s pandering to a fundamentalist base who want God–their “God”–not just on the money but in the classroom (i.e. Intelligent Design taught alongside evolution) and lighting a fire underneath 9 seats on the Supreme Court, thus undermining our “great American tradition of religious liberty.”
Any chance of Mitt catching a ride on the space ship concealed in the tail of the Haley Bopp Comet…..?
Maybe Olbermann (or David Shuster) can/should ask him about the Mountain Meadow Massacre and how it relates to the Constitutional rights of the members of the Fancher-Baker party so gleefully slaughtered by Mitt’s kith and kin, as well as his self-professed faith in light of his statements about “violent extremist” religions. Sounds like someone is having trouble dealing with their “faiths” past, Mittly.
One has to wonder, since the Mormon Geneology is so precise, if any Mitt had any ancestors who were part of that stain on Human History.
it certainly wasn’t in the founders coinage, sometime around 1837 I think it first appeared on our currency
perris — I think it will be effective for some. About half the speech is just happy rhetoric we might hear from anyone. There’s lots of stuff on freedon of religion and religious tolernce that most will agree with. But that is not where the cutting edge is right now with this Supreme Court. The battle ground is how far the government can go in promoting religion, whether with tax revenues or other subsidies (WH faith-based programs are just subsidies to those religious groups most likely to vote Repubican) or setting school curriculum, which is hugely contentious, so that’s why I focused there.
And on that point, he’s signaling he thinks the courts have gone too far in not allowing more govt support of religious believe. That’s part of the signal to those who want to push their religious agendas through the state. He tries to say, it’s not a problem, because we all believe basically the same things, so what’s the problem?
Nahnoo nahnoo.
Tweety’s all a’twitter with Mitt’s speech; “The best speech of this cycle…!” Aargh, Just when I was starting to like him again…
check out this page it gives the history of invoking ogds name on our currency
Hi all…
Great post Scarecrow– I found the speech frightening and you disconstructed it in your own inimitable way– sometimes I just don’t recognize our country anymore…
Breaking on CNN is this new &^%$#:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/…..otapes.ap/
p.s. hope this works; nice new digs!
You’ll never be disappointed by underestimating Tweety.
I agree with your entire post scarecrow, what you’re saying and it’s right on
my only point is the winguts like it and republicans will jump on any charismatic candidate right now and that speech seemed to me it’s going to be quite charismatic to republicans
ahem…
dEconstructed
*sigh*
Thanks perris. I knew the pledge re-wording was relatively recent but wasn’t sure regarding the cash.
Scarecrow-the incursion of religon into the public schools is most problematic for me. I do not want my kids taught a pile of junk masquerading as science. Our kids are already ignorant enough as it is, without these nutjobs ratcheting down the intelligence level still further. Of course the dumber the population, the easier it is to mislead…
A perfect example of how the right relies on the free exercise clause but ignores the establishment clause. It only works if you honor both. And note that she denigrates those who are tolerant. So apparently, MM could live without either — even though she’d probably never be allowed to speak in that society.
Exactly! They never seem to think it all the way through…
I put together acompilation of some internet history of the pledge on my site…here it is repeated for you madmommy
here’s the real story;
THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE WAS CONSTITUTIONAL WHEN IT WAS WRITTEN, BUT WAS CHANGED AGAINST THE AUTHORS WILL ONLY 40 ODD YEARS AGO
A Baptist minister named Francis Bellamy wrote the Pledge of allegiance in 1892..it did not contain the words “under god”, nor would the author have approved of the notion.
Bellamy was quite the socialist in his writings, notions, sermons, and beliefs.
In Bellamy’s Pledge, he is expressing ideas from his first cousin, Edward Bellamy, author of the American socialist Utopian novels, Looking Backward (1888) and Equality (1897).
The Pledge was published in the September 8th issue of The Youth’s Companion, the leading family magazine and the Reader’s Digest of that time. The owner of the magazine, Daniel Ford, hired Bellamy in 1891 as his assistant…
Francis was pressured into leaving his baptist church in Boston because of his socialist sermons..!!!
now, Ford used to get a kick out of Francis’s sermons…he later founded the very liberal and often controversial Ford Hall Forum in Boston.
In 1891 Francis Bellamy became chairman of a committee of state superintendents of education in the National Education Association.
Preparing the program for the public schools’ quadricentennial celebration for Columbus Day,( in 1892),he wrote a flag raising ceremony and a flag salute…
ha…
The ‘Pledge of Allegiance.’
here is the pledge the way Bellamy intended to be recited;
‘I pledge allegiance to my Flag and (the word ‘to’ which is missing coming up was added in October, 1892. .btw) the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.’
Bellamy wanted to place the word, ‘equality,’ in the Pledge, but he knew that wouldn’t fly, as the members in the committee were against equality for women and African Americans.
In 1924 the National Flag Conference, under heavy influence by the American Legion and by the Daughters of the American Revolution, changed the Pledge’s words, ‘my Flag,’ to ‘the Flag of the United States of America.’ Bellamy hated this change!!!
Bellamy wanted his work to stand as he wrote it!!!
his protest was totally ignored.
1954… Congress under extreme pressure from the Knights of Columbus, added the words, ‘under God,’ to what was once a conscientious and constitutional pledge of allegiance, thereby *******izing the original poem and clearly, the intention of the author…obviously again, without the consent of the author!!!!
The Pledge became both a patriotic oath and a public prayer!!!.
Bellamy’s granddaughter said he would have vehemently resented and opposed this change!!!
In fact, Bellamy was forced into leaving his church in 1891 because of his socialist sermons!!!.
Bellamy stopped attending church because of the racial bigotry and Hippocritism that was demonstrated.
It’s difficult to understand how the Republicans can like Romney and Huckabee. After almost eight years of Bush piety, they still have not gotten the message. And that message would be to stay away from these kinds of nuts. They (the GOP) are a stubborn lot. Not subject to change.
Mitt said that “the founders proscribed the establishment of a state religion”. He forgot to add that the establishment of a state religion is actually one of the understood but unwritten planks of the Republic Party.
Thank you for the link. In addition to answering the specific Q, it was also interesting to see the conditions under which it was added, namely the stress of the Civil War, not unlike adding ‘under god’ to the PofA under stress of Cold War. So all this new religious ferver under stress of GWOT, I suppose.
Bush has been pretending to be one of those kinds of nuts whenever it is convenient for him. Republics have been perfectly happy being fooled.
perris — thanks for the history on the pledge and when it was changed. I actually remember the change — I was in grade school, and some of our teachers told us we didn’t have to say all the words if we had a problem.
I stopped saying the religious part of the pledge in the sixties.
All in a days work.
AP – The CIA videotaped its interrogations of two terror suspects in 2002 and destroyed the tapes three years later out of fear they would leak to the public and compromise the identities of U.S. questioners, the director of the agency told employees Thursday.
Good. Every American ought to refuse to have any American relegated to second class citizenship because of that, it is the plain meaning behind the “no religious test” clause in Article VI. among other things.
My first thought, seeing that on TPM’s wire, was ‘Oh, how convenient!’
They knew exactly what they were doing when they made the tapes and when they destroyed them. Fear of war crimes trials, much?
There is a defacto religious test to be a serious Republican or Democratic candidate for nearly any office. An atheist or agnostic simply cannot be elected or even nominated. If you want to seek office, it’s best to pretend to be religious like Bush does.
I try to practice the “Golden Rule”. I don’t go to church. If God has a problem with that, I’ll deal with Him/Her/Neither/or both, when, and if I get “There”.
Exactly.
eCAHNonmics, woof!
Yeah, I remember the change also. In addition to the pledge of allegiance, we had a prayer every morning also. So I don’t think the teachers bothered to tell us we didn’t have to say the “under God” phrase.
Joke Line is dead wrong again…
Does anybody believe him anymore…?
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/…../#comments
I think atheists are the most discriminated against group in the United States. For example, in a poll (too lazy to look for it) of “would you vote for someone with the following characteristic,” atheist gets the largest % of no-s. Can’t remember if it’s over 50% or not.
Was that a last night “woof” or a today “woof”?
*feeling left out I am*
taking my dad out to his favorite restaurant
see you firdogs later
That’s intentional. We’re being clannish.
Having read all of the comments, I have to say that none of you can speak with much true insight into the nature of life and the universe until a couple of eighteen year olds drop by to explain it to you.
nyc firepups woof! woof!
CNN has an interview with Ted Sorensen on the differences between Kennedy’s speech and Willard’s.
Emptywheel has a new post up next door about the CIA tapes…holy wee, wee.
Wasn’t it Marx who proclaimed that “religion is an opiate of the people”? I strongly take exception to that pronouncement. My view is that religion is the “speed” of the masses.
We’d love for you to enlighten us.
I like that. ;0)
*goes to tbogg*
See. You just have to trek into the city next meetup. Then you can be clannish too. As long as we’re gonna be accused, we might as well indulge.
I suppose if we were able to root out all the phony people running for office, we’d have no candidates. It is disgusting.
I can’t, I didn’t want to let the 18 year olds missionaries explain it to me.
LOL
No more Elmer Gantry’s in the WH.
Another politician Unclear on the Concept:
“You put your hand on the bible and swear to uphold the Constitution; you *don’t* put your hand on the Constitution and swear to uphold the Bible.”
Now which would you rather have show up at your door early Saturday morning? A group of Jehova’s witnesses or a gaggle of Mormons?
Actually, the last proselytizers who came to my house were in a van (Baptists IIRC) driven by an adult, though with teen-aged passengers. When I politely declined, he politely thanked me and drove off.
new thread upstairs: Wink-Wink, Nudge-Nudge
I have no problem with any of these people until I tell them no thanks and then they keep it up.
New Thread with Peterr
Gee, that’s like being asked if ya want to be smashed in the balls by a baseball bat or a golf club.
My son’s first babysitter was a Jehova Witness. I never met a more upstanding, diligent, even-tempered, genuinely nice person. The Witnesses have a huge installation (cattle farm, regular farm & orchards, printing plant, dorms, etc.) in the town of Schawangunk, which is south of the town where my country house is. We took her to visit it, which she quite enjoyed. Enlarging experience for me.
I’ve had similar occasions, it just always struck me as strange that Mormons sent kids just out of highschool out to spread the word. I can see how it migh help develop some admirable characteristics in the kids, but I always thought it carried an inherent insult to the subject. It’s like, I know you’ve lived forty years longer than I have, but probably your primitive mind has never wondered about your origins and purpose.
Okay, so what Romney was saying is for us to experience freedom we have to be religious…and can’t be either/or, because without each other both will die?
That is what the copy of Robert Maplethorpe is for; good protection from either and a NC senator who shall remain nameless (being eminently forgettable at that) as well.
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Hate to nitpick, but you probably want ‘hypocrisy’; Hippocrates was a perfectly nice medical kind of guy you would like to have around, unlike hypocrites, who are generally pains in the tush.
Its like the repubs can’t imagine any way to deal with any problem without trying to divide America into us and them. This time it’s the believers vs. the disinterested. This party is seriously deranged.
So Mitt sends out a dog whistle to the anti-Constitution crowd. Quelle surprise. But will any Democratic candidate call him out for this speech? And I don’t mean “he’s no JFK.” I mean doing even an ounce of the splendid job that scarecrow did here.
And while we’re at it, Obama flirts far too closely with bringing religion into politics and the public sphere.
it’s funny that democrats view republicans ideas as self serving and evil, and republicans view democrat ideas as not thought out and well, Stupid. This article goes far to show just how stupid things can get. Well written? Not at all, well thought out…. far from it. Here is what I’m talking about.
Mitt Romney states that when/ IF he takes the Presidential Oath of Office, which is this, by the way, verbatim. “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.” He states that this Oath will then be his highest promise to his God.
That right there negates the validity of the rest of the article. Get it right next time and have a nice day.
Another twisting of words that scarecrow pulled off with this article, and I’ve read a lot of responses here that parrot the belief is that it is Romney that said freedom requires religion, and religion requires freedom. And yes, he did SAY it, but it was merely the end of the quote from John Adams. Scarecrow separated the two quotes in the above article to make it look like Romney speak, possibly fearing that the fact that a founding father saying it would undermine his article as well. Again, get it right next time, and have a nice day. I”m done here