Comments on: Faltering at the Crossroads http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/06/faltering-at-the-crossroads/ Firedoglake weblog Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:05:03 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: TeddySanFran http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/06/faltering-at-the-crossroads/#comment-1136891 TeddySanFran Fri, 07 Dec 2007 08:13:04 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/06/faltering-at-the-crossroads/#comment-1136891 <p>David, thanks for this remarkable post. You have encapsulated what’s wrong with the progressive movement. And you have correctly singled out what allows our Capitol Hill “leaders” to ignore us.</p> David, thanks for this remarkable post. You have encapsulated what’s wrong with the progressive movement. And you have correctly singled out what allows our Capitol Hill “leaders” to ignore us.

]]> By: Valley Girl http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/06/faltering-at-the-crossroads/#comment-1136640 Valley Girl Fri, 07 Dec 2007 04:45:10 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/06/faltering-at-the-crossroads/#comment-1136640 <p>OKAY! </p> <p>for anyone still paying attention on this thread, the short version of the Pelosi speech at HRC, where she “hearts transgenders” is now up at YouTube:</p> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjNJ8F9REek">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjNJ8F9REek</a></p> <p>Pelosi hearts transgendered- back then…</p> OKAY!

for anyone still paying attention on this thread, the short version of the Pelosi speech at HRC, where she “hearts transgenders” is now up at YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjNJ8F9REek

Pelosi hearts transgendered- back then…

]]> By: Valley Girl http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/06/faltering-at-the-crossroads/#comment-1136618 Valley Girl Fri, 07 Dec 2007 04:36:10 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/06/faltering-at-the-crossroads/#comment-1136618 <p>BHL-</p> <p>Thank you so much for that great comment.</p> <p>I don’t have that same experience, but one of my dearest friends in grad school was “Jack”. After I left for England he became “Jane”. Not every one around was understanding. It really broke my heart.</p> <p>There have been at least two “high-profile” scientists, both at Stanford fwiw, who are transgendered, and came to this only late- late 30s or early 40s yo. And, they have both been totally accepted.</p> <p>A good while back at FDL TeddySF had a post: “We’ll pick you up later”</p> <p><a href="http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/30/well-pick-you-up-later/">http://firedoglake.com/2007/09…..-up-later/</a></p> <p>The discussion there was one of the best I have seen at FDL, especially focusing on transgender issues. I can’t remember if you commented or not.</p> <p>But, for you or anyone else interested in the issue, it is a “must read”</p> BHL-

Thank you so much for that great comment.

I don’t have that same experience, but one of my dearest friends in grad school was “Jack”. After I left for England he became “Jane”. Not every one around was understanding. It really broke my heart.

There have been at least two “high-profile” scientists, both at Stanford fwiw, who are transgendered, and came to this only late- late 30s or early 40s yo. And, they have both been totally accepted.

A good while back at FDL TeddySF had a post: “We’ll pick you up later”

http://firedoglake.com/2007/09…..-up-later/

The discussion there was one of the best I have seen at FDL, especially focusing on transgender issues. I can’t remember if you commented or not.

But, for you or anyone else interested in the issue, it is a “must read”

]]> By: selise http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/06/faltering-at-the-crossroads/#comment-1136602 selise Fri, 07 Dec 2007 04:30:37 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/06/faltering-at-the-crossroads/#comment-1136602 <p>Maybe it was a reach and the larger point i was trying to make is bogus. I’m just saying that maybe what happened in my family could happen on a larger scale.</p> <p>i don’t think it’s bogus. i think it could… and it’s when i hear about families like your’s that i really believe that.</p> Maybe it was a reach and the larger point i was trying to make is bogus. I’m just saying that maybe what happened in my family could happen on a larger scale.

i don’t think it’s bogus. i think it could… and it’s when i hear about families like your’s that i really believe that.

]]> By: Beerfart Liberal http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/06/faltering-at-the-crossroads/#comment-1136594 Beerfart Liberal Fri, 07 Dec 2007 04:27:17 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/06/faltering-at-the-crossroads/#comment-1136594 <p>It wasn’t exactly a smooth transition, as a family. But we’re good now. for the most part. people are really trying. i man, some of the realatives were freaked out and disgusted at first but they’ve all come a long way and there’s no turning back. Maybe it was a reach and the larger point i was trying to make is bogus. I’m just saying that maybe what happened in my family could happen on a larger scale. But never if we just throw these people under the bus as someone correctly characterized it earlier. we need leaders on this and they sure as shit aren’t to be found on the other side.</p> It wasn’t exactly a smooth transition, as a family. But we’re good now. for the most part. people are really trying. i man, some of the realatives were freaked out and disgusted at first but they’ve all come a long way and there’s no turning back. Maybe it was a reach and the larger point i was trying to make is bogus. I’m just saying that maybe what happened in my family could happen on a larger scale. But never if we just throw these people under the bus as someone correctly characterized it earlier. we need leaders on this and they sure as shit aren’t to be found on the other side.

]]> By: selise http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/06/faltering-at-the-crossroads/#comment-1136586 selise Fri, 07 Dec 2007 04:19:59 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/06/faltering-at-the-crossroads/#comment-1136586 <p>(((Beerfart Liberal’s family)))</p> <p>your sister, you and your entire family sound very wonderful.</p> (((Beerfart Liberal’s family)))

your sister, you and your entire family sound very wonderful.

]]> By: Beerfart Liberal http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/06/faltering-at-the-crossroads/#comment-1136584 Beerfart Liberal Fri, 07 Dec 2007 04:19:00 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/06/faltering-at-the-crossroads/#comment-1136584 <p>Does she show her gold badge? Don’t taze me , Suze!!!!</p> Does she show her gold badge? Don’t taze me , Suze!!!!

]]> By: selise http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/06/faltering-at-the-crossroads/#comment-1136583 selise Fri, 07 Dec 2007 04:17:48 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/06/faltering-at-the-crossroads/#comment-1136583 <p>i’m a slow learner…. and wasn’t paying attention for most of my life. thanks for leading the way.</p> i’m a slow learner…. and wasn’t paying attention for most of my life. thanks for leading the way.

]]> By: Beerfart Liberal http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/06/faltering-at-the-crossroads/#comment-1136578 Beerfart Liberal Fri, 07 Dec 2007 04:16:38 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/06/faltering-at-the-crossroads/#comment-1136578 <p>One of my sisters is transgendered and I’ve learned a hell of alot in the last 2-3 years. I have the utmost admiration for my new sister. It’s just too easy for too many people to demagogue TG’s and make them out to be freaks than to even try to understand. And the wussy Dems don’t want to ruffle the feathers of those “too many” people. They want their votes. My experience was that when I first got the “comming out” letter from my then-brother of over 40 years, I almost fell out of my chair. Beyond shock. Now, it’s just not that big of a deal. The whole thing caused some divisions and unpleasantness in my family, but people have come around and are supportive and we’re much the same family as before. It could be the same way in the country if someone would just show some leadership and take the initial heat. Democrats? nah.</p> One of my sisters is transgendered and I’ve learned a hell of alot in the last 2-3 years. I have the utmost admiration for my new sister. It’s just too easy for too many people to demagogue TG’s and make them out to be freaks than to even try to understand. And the wussy Dems don’t want to ruffle the feathers of those “too many” people. They want their votes. My experience was that when I first got the “comming out” letter from my then-brother of over 40 years, I almost fell out of my chair. Beyond shock. Now, it’s just not that big of a deal. The whole thing caused some divisions and unpleasantness in my family, but people have come around and are supportive and we’re much the same family as before. It could be the same way in the country if someone would just show some leadership and take the initial heat. Democrats? nah.

]]> By: selise http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/06/faltering-at-the-crossroads/#comment-1136574 selise Fri, 07 Dec 2007 04:15:33 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/06/faltering-at-the-crossroads/#comment-1136574 <p>thanks for the clarification. what a relief! *g*</p> <p>p.s. i’m only trying to “get it” and don’t usually get offended when people with better/different experience/insight share their knowledge with me. my guess is that “coming out” is first and foremost a process of “coming out” to oneself… not something we usually have control over.</p> thanks for the clarification. what a relief! *g*

p.s. i’m only trying to “get it” and don’t usually get offended when people with better/different experience/insight share their knowledge with me. my guess is that “coming out” is first and foremost a process of “coming out” to oneself… not something we usually have control over.

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