In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends. — Martin Luther King
Nancy Pelosi’s pretty words about "an opportunity to end discrimination and the violence that goes with it" ring pretty hollow this week, with word emerging from Capitol Hill that House Democrats are in the process of crumbling on passage of the Matthew Shepard Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act.
And while plenty of the blame for this massive failure will undoubtedly (and deservedly) rest on the increasingly common object of progressive despair — namely, spineless congressional Democrats — there in reality is more than enough culpability to go around. The failure, once again, to pass a federal hate-crimes law also reflects on the state of progressive politics generally, especially the balkanization of progressives into discrete interest groups who rarely cross lines to support one another.
Let’s face it: This legislation was tagged as a "gay issue" — mainly because the opposition to it arose almost wholly from the inclusion of sexual preference as a category of bias, fueled by the homophobes of the religious right. And gay-rights groups were certainly in the forefront of pushing the bill. However, other progressives, including those directly affected by hate crimes, neglected to join in the fight to any notable extent. Where were the civil-rights groups, the immigrant-rights groups, the labor unions?
How was it possible, for instance, for thousands of African Americans to march on the Justice Department and demand hate-crimes enforcement, as they did last month, and have no one mention the pending hate-crimes law?
After all, the bill specifically addresses the very issue that lies at the heart of the "Jena 6" controversy — namely, the failures of law enforcement to adequately enforce these laws. The legislation, as I’ve noted previously, is carefully written to emphasize helping local law enforcement do its job — provide training, help identify bias crimes, provide funds for strapped prosecutors — and it specifically defers to local jurisdictions. At the same time it makes it possible for federal authorities to move in when local law enforcement fails to do so, particularly in any of the seven states that have no bias-crime law.
Similarly, it’s been hard to find much in the way of serious support for the Shepard bill from Latinos and immigrant-rights organizations. There have been exceptions: The Latino Coalition made an effort to support the bill, and Latino bloggers like Xicanopwr chimed in as well. Nonetheless, the support was surprisingly muted and not particularly broad, in spite of the fact that Latino immigrants have been among the chief victims of the recent spike in hate-crimes nationally reported by the FBI.
This reflects, I think, the way progressives in general have managed to balkanize themselves in general. We get behind our particular interests and scarcely look over the fences we’ve erected. The civil-rights arena is only one in which this happens: gay rights, civil-rights, and immigrant-rights groups all have common ground that they could and should occupy jointly, but too often don’t. It happens elsewhere, too: antiwar organizations are slow to link up to civil libertarians who are trying to tackle the Bush administration’s abusive power grabs. Environmental groups are slow to recognize that the religious-right extremists who form the footsoldiers of the corporate right’s anti-green backlash are the same frothing wingnuts who are attacking gays and lesbians. And gay-rights organizations manage to similarly focus on "their" issues without realizing that, for instance, they ought to pay attention to the Bush administration’s trampling of civil liberties, because those have a profound long-term impact for their interests as well.
I think this balkanization has a lot to do with the continuing presence of those spineless Democrats on Capitol Hill. Republicans who fail to back the "conservative movement" program to the hilt face discipline from within and hordes of flying right-wing monkeys from without. Democrats, in contrast, find that their interest advocates are so diverse and diluted that they can shuffle and delay and generally "keep their powder dry" for a reckoning that never comes.
As I observed when the Shepard bill first passed, Democrats’ support was always thin, in spite of the glowing rhetoric:
Frankly, they appear to be resigned to defeat. That’s why there’s no push to change some of those Republican votes (what about, f’r instance, those "moderate" Republicans like Chuck Hagel or Mike Crapo or Elizabeth Dole — who all voted against it — or John McCain, who sat out?). There’s no push to make sure that politicians who vote against the bill pay for it at the polls — even though doing so (painting the opponents as callous people who don’t care about minority rights, gay bashings, and are otherwise soft on crime) is a simple no-brainer.
That’s why they seem disinterested in overriding the veto, and making both it and Republicans’ congressional support for it a campaign issue for the 2008 vote. But I think there are other reasons for the disinterest as well.
Too many Beltway consultant types love to depict bias-crimes laws as "special interest" and "politically correct" legislation that only serve a small band of the electorate. They play off the media stereotypes created by folks like Andrew Sullivan and try to discourage their political clients for pushing this kind of law too hard.
Of course, the reality is that bias-crime bills are designed to protect everyone. White people, Christians, males — they’re all victims of bias crimes as well, and the law is intended to step protection for them, too, by stiffening the sentences for perpetrators.
Perhaps more important, bias-crime laws (as this week’s vote suggests) are a natural cause for progressives and moderates alike, because they are not only about defending minority rights, they’re about defending law and order and getting tough on criminals who inflict real harm on us all — especially on our communities in the efforts to heal the ethnic and religious divides within them.
Democrats are frequently accused, with good reason, of taking their minority votes for granted. They know that they can count on minorities to line up behind them in the election, even though when the right-wingers go to the mattresses, they can always be counted on keeping their powder dry and not firing a shot. So they can make grand but ultimately hollow gestures like this week’s hate-crimes vote, but never make the real effort needed to make these bills actually succeed.
But this bill is about all of us, not just minorities. If congressional Democrats are not willing to fight for it, they can just add it to their list of mounting failures in asserting their agenda.
One of the great frustrations that antiwar organizations have with these same Democrats is that their failures reflect an abysmal inability to lead. There’s so much polling, group-testing and triangulation going into their political calculus that there’s never any initiative to seize the issue by the reins and claim it for their own — even when there’s a clear-cut ethical, moral, and political imperative to do so. And this same wishy-washiness is precisely why voters are leery of Democrats: they don’t stand for anything.
The same is true of their long-running history of failure to pass a federal bias-crime law, which is starting increasingly to look like the historical failure of progressives to pass an anti-lynching law — a failure that recently inspired the Senate to pass a retroactive apology of sorts. Probably, in fifty years, we can expect a similar round of self-flagellation for the current failure.
Progressives could change all this, of course. But first, they need to start figuring out how to join hands with the people who are their natural allies, and paying attention to their issues, too — because more often than not, these are our issues.




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David!
Am I first? I’ll go downstairs.
Words cannot describe my disappointment and disgust at the “Majority Party” in Congress. Not quite as deep as my contempt for Joe Liarman, but they’re getting perilously close.
Nope, I’m the Zedder… ;-)
Here’s what I never got: Was there really a significant number of congresscritters who would vote for an ENDA with gays in it, but *not* one with transgendered?
I’m not in the proper frame of mind to appreciate it anyway…enjoy.
The gap between them is getting smaller and smaller.
Yeah. Unfortunately. It seems to have almost reached the vanishing point.
I find it stunning that these people in Congress have to be nudged about these “rights” issues at all…just stunning. Everybody knows what the right thing to do is…everybody. These people just don’t care to do the right thing, and if they do, they don’t bother fighting to get it done. It is just plain disgusting.
Pelosi….spit…too many cocktail parties… She’s a lush. Even W mentioned seeing her at the ball last week. DC Lush.
OfT sorry:
Abrams has the actual members of the parole board who released the rapist Dumond under Huckabee’s term.
This one’s gonna leave a mark.
*Ding* It is infuriating! I hope Rahm will throw Heath under the bus… Since, we can’t throw his sorry Latino *ss under it… 8-(
Gawd. I hope he stays ahead of Rudy, because Rudy is a million times worse, and so is Mitt Cofer Black.
Today’s version:
First they came for the gays, but I wasn’t gay so I didn’t speak out.
Then they came for the Latinos But I wasn’t so . . .
Then they came for the union members but . . .
Then they came for me.
*crickets?
What will it take to learn the lesson?
Lahoma wants that I wish all of you a Merry Christmas. Good night to each of you. ;0)
And back to Lahoma and you as well!
Back at you two!!!
‘night, kiddo, Lahoma…
This early riser will see you on the other side too. And Merry Christmas to Lahoma!
Aloha, Marion, lahoma, and OKK!
good night, Marion – sleep well.
“Wednesday’s vote caught Internet companies by surprise: the Democratic
leadership rushed the SAFE Act to the floor under a procedure that’s
supposed to be reserved for noncontroversial legislation. It was introduced
October 10, but has never received even one hearing or committee vote. In
addition, the legislation approved this week has changed substantially since
the earlier version and was not
available for public
review.
http://www.news.com/8301-13578_3-9829759-38.html
House vote on illegal images sweeps in Wi-Fi, Web sites
Posted by Declan McCullagh
The U.S. House of Representatives on Wednesday overwhelmingly approved a bill saying that anyone offering an open Wi-Fi connection to the public must report illegal images including “obscene” cartoons and drawings–or face fines of up to $300,000.
That broad definition would cover individuals, coffee shops, libraries, hotels, and even some government agencies that provide Wi-Fi. It also sweeps in social-networking sites, domain name registrars, Internet service providers, and e-mail service providers such as Hotmail and Gmail, and it may require that the complete contents of the user’s account be retained for subsequent police inspection.
KO special comment now up on MSNBC’s Countdown website.
I know nothing of KOs religious beliefs (if any) — but I think there may be some preacher’s blood in his veins.
Yeah, that totally doesn’t sound like overreach at all…
De ja vu, all over again? Germany, ‘34-’35…
Venezuela and their Eeeevil Chavez are actually farther along than we are. The Venezuelan people last week came with a couple percentage points of passing constitutional changes that would have, among other things, prohibited any discrimination based on sexual orientation.
Unfortunately, the right-wingers might not have got the black community to vote for them, but they’ve done an excellent job buying up homophobic black preachers to drive a wedge in between churchgoing blacks and other progressives.
I’m gonna throw this out and split, because we’ve had this argument before, and it’s exhausting to battle with essentially every single person on a thread.
“Hate Crimes” are regular crimes, coupled with extra penalties for what is subjectively considered to be improper thought, or a more reprehensible motive. There are statutes already on the books to handle these situations, though I am cognizant of the argument that they may not be enforced in some areas as enthusiastically as they should be.
I am no fan of mandatory sentencing, and this strikes me as mandatory charging – and I simply do not trust prosecutors, judges, or juries to read the mind of a given defendant.
BBl.
Not having a real presidency since LBJ has a lot to do the lack of spine. Carter wasn’t good at PR, and according to friends of mine who worked with him, had a hard time making up his mind and sticking to it once it was made up. Clinton was a minority President in the first term and an embattled one in the second. The point is that without presidential leadership the Dems are going to continue to be trapped by their pollsters into doing things for people who will never vote for them anyway. Why that simple arithmetic doesn’t register never fails to amaze me, but there it is.
I’m somewhat hopeful for the future. Dean is building a new machine from the ground up, and we have good leadership potential in our main candidates. But all said, it hurts to see the Dems living the rethug stereotype of them.
CT,
I’ve felt like we’ve been re-living Germany ‘33-34 for the past couple of years now. Old folks that I have encountered who did live through it are scared sh*tless it all feels to familiar.
Very simply, the Democrats need to learn how to say “Fuck you.” Well, to someone other than us, anyway.
Very well put, Knut. Could not have said it better myself.
Ding.
It’s not just the Dems, Marion. The progressive coalition is weakened as each of its constituent parts threatens to strike out on its own, forgetting that we must all hang together or we will all hang separately.
That’s why we see NARAL backing Rape Gurney Joe even though they know that the only hope of seeing choice protected lies with a Democratic Congress.
That’s why we see Republican operatives buying off key black ministers and getting them to preach against gays.
Time to sign off and do some reading and prep for sermon writing.
I did hear from Al the Spook who sends his regards to everyone. It may be a while before he can get back to the threads but he told me to say hi!
a bientot to all.
Jayt, you make a good point, however the appearance of this thing on the surface (in consideration of the regressive nature of the furtherances made via the religious right that are anti-human rights) demonstrate a considerable lack of spine on the part of the Democrats (considering that they are supposed to represent the people). It really looks timid and weak.
Hey, CTuttle? Congratulations on the great hat tip for the last thread.
Albatross @ 21
Thanks for that link.
We’ve added it to the front page News Headlines.
The answer lies in Blue America. “More and better” Democrats. That’ll do it.
Aww, I just missed RevDeb, I wanted to relay this dated, yet, apropo ranking system on a Society…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1plSSL2v1_U
Phoenix Woman, link for this? No disrespect-you know how much I admire you and your work. But I’d love to read some more about this.
Mahalo!
Loo Ho, I left you something end of last thread.
Thanks Ron, let me try it now!
[blockquote]Loo Ho, I left you something end of last thread.{/blockquote}
Miserable…
OT: For whatever reasons, I watched both Hardball and Countdown this evening. Olbermann’s Special Comment brought tears to my eyes, not for the first time. But the significance of the evening was the contrast in the reactions to Romney’s speech. Both Tweety and Buchanan (both Catholics, IIRC) were overwhelmingly touched by Romney’s religiosity. Olbermann and his guest Eugene Robinson were repulsed, as was I.
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sadly, my current working hypothesis is that most of the dems on capitol hill (the leadership anyway) are not spineless – they are just not our allies.
because the balkanization you write about is much, much less in groups that fight the dems – take, for example, the global justice movement (called anti-globalization by the msm)… i’ve seen union organizers (from here and from latin america, anarchists, environmentalists, pagans, gblt (including the T) rights activists and many more disparate groups working together under the explict rubric of “solidarity”.
i think the balkanization results, in part, from a divide and conquer strategy by the dem leadership towards us. because if we ever get our acts together, the elite corpoprate dems now leading the party are going to have no chance to maintain control of the party.
I don’t know for sure what PW was referring to, but it rang a bit of a bell with me. This might be what she was talking about.
Use the little angle brackets over the period and the comma….:)
Copy it, hit reply, quotemark, paste, enter, and, remark…! :P
Missed RevDeb to say “HI!!” to Al K.
I tend to agree – they never have any trouble standing up to progressives.
So, where’s AK these days? I miss him.
more fuckery from “our” house of representatives. i rest my case (see my 46).
Yup, that’s exactly it. Untold millions of dollars have gone into this program to use gay rights to split the black churchgoers from the progressive movement.
But, don’t count out the CPC! They’re flexing their new found muscle!
exactly. it’s been a hard lesson for me to learn, but i just don’t have any other way to explain what i’ve been seeing from “our” congress this year.
yes – i think the first “win” for the progressive caucus was forcing the house leadership to make some changes in their fucked up fisa bill they call the “RESTORE ACT”
I kind of picture them saying, “Hmm… ordinary people with ordinary wallets, rich people and corporations with big huge giant wallets… What to do, what to do, what to do…”
I love Jim Webb!:
Webb: No permanent presence without Congress’s consent. »
Bush recently announced a new, “enduring” occupation of Iraq, to be implemented without Congress’ approval. Today, Sens. Jim Webb (D-VA), Bob Casey (D-PA), Robert Byrd (D-WV), Ted Kennedy (D-MA), Carl Levin (D-MI) and Hillary Clinton (D-NY) warned Bush against committing the U.S. to a long-term presence without congressional consent:
Think Progress
Aargh! Oh, Ye of little faith! Must be that agnostic streak… ;-)
cukfing bastards think we’re homegrown terrists…i’m looking at the evil jane harmon…this can’t go on…i guess it’ll go on!
Nice to see her get it it right, for once… 8-)
I can’t seem to… ;-(
Scott Horton on CIA videotape destruction
http://www.harpers.org/archive…..c-90001868
David, thanks for an excellent and well written post. I particularly appreciate you even mentioning Jena. Most European Americans don’t even know about it. I hope you continue writing about the balkanization of the progressive movement. I would humbly offer a few points that might inform your fluency of issues impacting African Americans.
1. One of the great symbols of sacrifice for progressive ideals is King’s breaking with LBJ over Vietnam. LBJ ruined his reputation in the south by dismantling the white supremacy laws. African Americans took a huge hit for King’s leadership on Vietnam.
2. Ebonics and the visual ethnic cues simply don’t allow Africn Americans to hide their ethnicity. Halle Berry and Jessical Alba are considered “BLACK.”
GLBT have a much greater opportunity to choose when they “out” themselves. I’m not trying to understate the damage inflicted historically and currently on the GLBT population. I just do not believe they face the same level of lethality to which people of color, and especially African Americans face.
3. Affirmative Action, at least as it pertains to African Americans, is going no where for a lot of reasons. My comment is more about fluency than policy advice. I’m not suggesting that progressives jump on that, but I think you can see where African Americans might be asking. Unemployment, underemployment is rampant in their communities.
4. A much more direct and even less popular form of support would be reparations to the descendants of the slaves who were never paid for their labor. Again, this isn’t about policy, it’s about fluency. Cash reparations are never going to happen, but if Social Security Disability and Medical care were opened up to African Americans (and Native American tribes), as a way of trying to deal with centuries of lethal oppression, it would be a huge step forward.
5. My best guess is that going forward into this election, the code word that African American leaders are looking for, to see signs of support from progressives is “universal health care.” It’s a very realistic and objective goal, but it would be huge to their constituencies if it really trickled down that far. Given the seriousness of the physician shortage, I’m not holding my breath.
FWIW, another issue for African Americans is the digital divide.
I think you could develop a list like this for the Latino population and the Native American tribes.
Again, I think it’s a great post and I hope you and others continue on this topic.
I apologize if I have offended anyone, that was not my intent.
Now I’m wrong quite often, just ask my better half, but I started thinking this way around 1992, while working against Bill Clinton in the primaries. It was clear that the Democratic Party, led by Ron Brown, had no interest whatsoever in what actual Democrats wanted and letting the Democratic process play out. They had their Chosen One, and no one was going to get in the way. Had no idea what the DLC was at that time and Bill Clinton was their coming out party.
The first few years, I was thinking it’s just a small faction that was currently in leadership positions, namely the President, but it started becoming clear that the problem was much more severe. The MegaCorporate interests had taken over the majority of the Party.
By 1999, it was quite clear this was the case to me, and certainly this last year with Pelosi and Reid must serve as proof to anyone denying this plain fact. The Democratic Party was PURPOSELY infiltrated in order to destroy it’s ideals from within.
Thank goD, or John Smith that the Internet matured when it did, and we’ve been able to combat this. This is why Blue America and similar efforts are so key IMO.
It’s been amazing to me how hard it has been to convince fellow Liberals over the years that this has happened. I was really getting tired of the “lesser of two evils” and “well they’re better than having Repubs in there” arguments. I don’t get this thrown at me much anymore, and it’s been really exciting to see so many other people express similar opinions around here especially.
Of course, if another Clinton is elected, we’ll have to start all over again.
thanks eCAHNomics. To den Hague with the lot of them. *sigh*
David, and all.
I have been following Pelosi for quite some time.
~~ The Human Rights Compaign has selected Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi to receive its 2007 National Equality Award at the organization’s 11th Annual National Dinner in Washington, D.C., on October 6, according to a press release. Pelosi will also act as keynote speaker at the event.
“We could not be more excited about recognizing Speaker Pelosi’s efforts on behalf of GLBT Americans by presenting her with the National Equality Award and having her as keynote speaker,” said HRC President Joe Solmonese in the release. ~~~
http://www.advocate.com/news_detail_ektid47655.asp
AND, on the issue of “transgendered” individuals, here is what Pelosi said as part of her very very long speech accepting the award:
(Was trying to get a true FDL friend to post a YouTube of the short version made, but it’s taking huge amount of time to get this rendered at You Tube)
So, for now, check out her speech, longer version. Her “I heart transgendered” is ~ 15 min into the clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTLSAdy4u7k
It is quite revealing.
eCAHN, thanks. The dam is breaking at last!
Any purported grant of a pardon by President Bush will be legally ineffective, because Bush himself is a collaborator in the scheme. And there is no statute of limitations. Therefore the prospect of prosecution is hardly far-fetched. It is a virtual certainty. So the evidence is being destroyed precisely because it would be used as evidence of criminal acts in a prosecution of administration figures and those acting under their direction. Therefore, this is a conscious, calculated obstruction of justice.
The second question is: Where has Congress been throughout this period?
The continued dumbing down of America; I wonder if this person believed that Jeebus rode Dinosaurs.
link
Yeah, I really liked that part about no statue of limitations & pardons being ineffective since W’s a collaberator. Wonder if they can take away the Libby commutation on that basis?
Jim Webb was great on Meet the Russert last week. Sure, there are certain issues I might not agree with him on, no one will ever agree with everything someone else thinks, but you just really get the sense that he actually cares about people throughout the world, and about America, and the Constitution.
I also think he’s a perfect example of what DemocratIC “leadership” means, and how powerful it is. By simply being real and standing up and defending your beliefs, Democrats will follow you. Not just follow, but get out there and work their asses off for you. Just more proof that Pelosi and Reid do not have our interests in mind they do what they do.
My “Statue” of limitations bears a nodding resemblance to Ms. Liberty. Meant “statute,” of course.
This one is being captured by 11pm WCBS news in NYC.
Hey CTuttle, o/t. I see you got kudos’d on the prior post about Waxman’s early Fitzmas. I’ve been bitching all week about nothing happeneing with that story. It was good to finally read something. Thanks for the info. Hope to read more about it tommorrow.
no offense. these are, imo, important conversations.
agree with everything you wrote, except this:
i’ve got an inherent problem with playing “who’s been harmed the most”… so i’ll try not to go there. just want to mention that GLBT suffer in different ways – and one of those ways is that they aren’t typically born in to a GLBT family or community to provide support when they deal with a dominant culture that hates them. many times their families and communities hate them too – then there is no safe place of refuge.
in my opinion, it’s apple and oranges – related, but not the same thing, so comparisons are problematic. and serve to foster division instead of solidarity. (and serve to ignore our brothers and sisters who are both african american and glb or t)
p.s. i’m white and straight, so i’ll admit i’m likely to be clueless about this. any true insights i have are completely do to some patient women at dallas rainbow now and the dallas mcc congregation.
Oy vey.
DLC – Progressive Policy Institute – Third Way:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/ind…..=Third_Way
EmptyWheel, was just raining on my parade, tho… She points out that her monday post stated the WH had already said No to the release of the tapes, I swear it’s some Industrial Grade Pixie Dust they use… 8-(
I agree. that who’s been harmed the most thing is so hard to assess because unless you are part or have been part of every group, how do you really know. So what are we talking about? a black, gay, transgendered woman? she might have perspective on who has been harmed most. the rest of us, no. It’s enough for me to understand that all of these groups, as groups, have been treated like shit.
Crooks & Liars has Keith’s Special Comment up.
“The second question is: Where has Congress been throughout this period?”
AWOL?
Bob in HI
CT and BLF, maybe the WH said no but DOJ said yes. The call was from Fitz and she had just gotten it iirc.
so, i don’t get it. if she meant what she said, why were transgendered thrown under the bus on edna legislation?
But Waxman is going to get all the notes/documents he wants? I just don’t get why memories of Nixon aren’t comming to more people’s minds.
errrrr sorry about that, its BFL not BLF.
Bonne Soir, Ma Cheri! You’re just trying to buck me up… Mahalo!
Quite alright. I knew you were addressing me.
nice catch, CT
AWOL for sure. There’s hope. See eCAHN’s link to Harper’s above and the Think Progress link. I’m feeling better…like certain war criminals may pay.
Yikes.
They left out the part about bending over and liking it whenever Ruturd Murdoch and friends tell you to. Must of been an oversight.
Mukasey had better see the light…!
I’m probably gonna turn in early. Haven’t been sleeping well, Don’t know what that’s about but I’m beat. So, look, I wanted to say that after getting f’d the other nighht lotsa you were kind enough to befriend me. I tried to cinfirm all of you but don’t think it worked. just wanted to let you know I wasn’t ignoring you and am very appreciative.
DAD computer question for the night: How do i chang my log-in password gere at FDL?
Here’s Webb’s letter to W.
Danke Schoen!
BFL, I’ll email ya the directions.
Oh jeez. I’m sorry. you have infinite patience. Thanks.
don’t apologize, BFL – it is part of what I do here – help out with questions and the like.
“Hate Crimes” are regular crimes, coupled with extra penalties for what is subjectively considered to be improper thought, or a more reprehensible motive. There are statutes already on the books to handle these situations, though I am cognizant of the argument that they may not be enforced in some areas as enthusiastically as they should be.
I see the point here, but is there any current legislation that covers promoting hate crimes? Does the proposed legislation cover this?
I know this is tricky ground given your protected rights to free speech, but I do believe that it should be a crime to promote hate crimes. And I think that systematic, planned campaigns of hatred and violence towards protected groups does deserve a little extra attention.
Late Nite is upstairs
Selise- Agreed as to what you say:
“so, i don’t get it. if she meant what she said, why were transgendered thrown under the bus on edna legislation”
I posted that because I have lost faith in Pelosi for any number of reasons.
On the GLBT issue, she seemed happy to accept the award, but only talked the talk. What I was highlighting was my own sense of irony and disgust at her actions.
And, btw, transgendered people are in the absolute smallest minority, and are woefully misunderstood. There’s a lot more to “coming out” than anyone might imagine. And, Selise, I say this bec. I know you know this- I am saying this in the context of the rather naive comments of Boo Radley, above.
She is a politician, and not a leader.
“and the like” being swatting trolls, cleaning the spam filters, and occasionally dealing with the clash of . . . ahem . . . strong-willed individuals vigorously discussing issues of great importance.
It worked. thanks again. i swear i justy did the exact same thing as I had tried before, without success. i dunno.
Watching KO’s comment tonight, I can’t help think what could’ve been with Pelosi, Conyers, and friends. So much hope, now so much disappointment. I think even into this Autumn I was still saying “Pelosi ‘07!” giving her the benefit of the doubt that she knew what she was doing.
Maybe she does know quite well what she’s doing. It’s just that she had me fooled that was actually a Liberal.
Just imagine what we’d know by now if they would’ve just had simple hearings for Impeachment. Hearings fer chissakes!
i don’t think that’s correct. hate crimes are crimes against a larger group – not just the individual targeted by a specific crime.
as an extreme example, take lynching. it wasn’t just murder – it was an act of terrorism and a warning to an entire group. that’s what makes hate crimes different…. although i must say the term “hate crime” is just asks for this kind of misunderstanding.
thanks for the clarification. what a relief! *g*
p.s. i’m only trying to “get it” and don’t usually get offended when people with better/different experience/insight share their knowledge with me. my guess is that “coming out” is first and foremost a process of “coming out” to oneself… not something we usually have control over.
One of my sisters is transgendered and I’ve learned a hell of alot in the last 2-3 years. I have the utmost admiration for my new sister. It’s just too easy for too many people to demagogue TG’s and make them out to be freaks than to even try to understand. And the wussy Dems don’t want to ruffle the feathers of those “too many” people. They want their votes. My experience was that when I first got the “comming out” letter from my then-brother of over 40 years, I almost fell out of my chair. Beyond shock. Now, it’s just not that big of a deal. The whole thing caused some divisions and unpleasantness in my family, but people have come around and are supportive and we’re much the same family as before. It could be the same way in the country if someone would just show some leadership and take the initial heat. Democrats? nah.
i’m a slow learner…. and wasn’t paying attention for most of my life. thanks for leading the way.
Does she show her gold badge? Don’t taze me , Suze!!!!
(((Beerfart Liberal’s family)))
your sister, you and your entire family sound very wonderful.
It wasn’t exactly a smooth transition, as a family. But we’re good now. for the most part. people are really trying. i man, some of the realatives were freaked out and disgusted at first but they’ve all come a long way and there’s no turning back. Maybe it was a reach and the larger point i was trying to make is bogus. I’m just saying that maybe what happened in my family could happen on a larger scale. But never if we just throw these people under the bus as someone correctly characterized it earlier. we need leaders on this and they sure as shit aren’t to be found on the other side.
Maybe it was a reach and the larger point i was trying to make is bogus. I’m just saying that maybe what happened in my family could happen on a larger scale.
i don’t think it’s bogus. i think it could… and it’s when i hear about families like your’s that i really believe that.
BHL-
Thank you so much for that great comment.
I don’t have that same experience, but one of my dearest friends in grad school was “Jack”. After I left for England he became “Jane”. Not every one around was understanding. It really broke my heart.
There have been at least two “high-profile” scientists, both at Stanford fwiw, who are transgendered, and came to this only late- late 30s or early 40s yo. And, they have both been totally accepted.
A good while back at FDL TeddySF had a post: “We’ll pick you up later”
http://firedoglake.com/2007/09…..-up-later/
The discussion there was one of the best I have seen at FDL, especially focusing on transgender issues. I can’t remember if you commented or not.
But, for you or anyone else interested in the issue, it is a “must read”
OKAY!
for anyone still paying attention on this thread, the short version of the Pelosi speech at HRC, where she “hearts transgenders” is now up at YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjNJ8F9REek
Pelosi hearts transgendered- back then…
David, thanks for this remarkable post. You have encapsulated what’s wrong with the progressive movement. And you have correctly singled out what allows our Capitol Hill “leaders” to ignore us.