zed?

Howard Dean is still an election cycle ahead of the Democratic Party!

Third??

Probably not.

Sunshine…and shame. And keepin’ up the pressure. And refusing to take “no” for an answer on principle and truth.

Score one for the good guys.

Yeah, you know, I’d feel a lot better about our candidates if Dean was amongst our choices!

How much egg can Time have on its face before it begins to look like an omelet?

Congress must make sure that the new law requires independent court oversight and protects innocent Americans’ privacy. That’s not “stupid”; that’s our sworn and solemn duty.

Yeah, Russ.

Push back against these f*ckwits who think the 4th Amendment is a suggestion.

Oh, and as for no-credibility Time – where are they publishing? In the magazine, or buried at the webpage?

Isn’t the legal justification for the FISA program due Dec. 10 via judicial fiat?
Maybe this will slow down the process enough to reveal behind the curtain.
I would rather sunset the act than allow the bill to go to committee where it will be settled behind closed doors.

Klein should be shunned.
No more talk about him and no more posting on his blog.
Just no more.

Well done. These things didn’t used to happen. We didn’t even know they needed to.

It’s about damn Time.

I left her a voicemail last night stating what I said below and mailed the letter to her home address in New York. However, I still intend to launch my own campaign if a full correction stating Klein was wrong is not run in Time Magazine. If she wants to lie to 20 million Americans then her neighbors deserve to know what a propagandist they live amongst. I refuse to allow someone to actively work to destroy our Democracy without ramification. Turning it into he said she said is simply not enough

Priscilla Painton (Time Magazine Editor),

You have decided to lie to the American people without shame or regret and there is no longer any disputing that. The facts are not in dispute as you would claim and you have become an official propagandist for the Right Wing Noise machine. I expect nothing less from someone who put “Hatemongering Harpie” Ann Coulter in TIME’s Influential 100, when that pick shocked even right wing serial propagandist Bill O’Reilly. It shocked Bill Orally!!!!

We have also determined that you lie without shame because the people who uncover your lies are not people whose opinion you value. You are such a right wing propagandist we realized you would only be shamed if your lies were uncovered within the community whose opinion you do care about. You know, the people that actually physically live in your community and would be considered your neighbors. It would be a pity for them to realize they live with a neighbor who was willing to lie to 20 million readers even after the lie was documented by the Chicago Tribune? Seems kind of Fascist and Naziesque don’t you think?

Therefore, we determined the best course of action was to start a direct mail advertising campaign targeting a radius around your home address. We are soliciting online donations beginning 12/15 and ending 12/31. The amount of money we receive will determine the radius the direct mail campaign will reach. And considering how cheap direct bulk mailing is, I bet we cover a rather large area. Maybe throw in where you grew up as an added bonus? The flyer will excerpt the piece Klein wrote, Greenwalds subsequent annihilations, Ryan Singel’s blistering attacks in Wired, the Chicago Tribune’s retraction, your supposed “corrections”, and Glenn’s final blistering rebuttals for absolute proof of your lies.

We really don’t want to solicit the hard earned funds of our readers unless it is absolutely necessary. If you run the appropriate correction and publish the letters from Feingold, Holt, and the Judiciary Committee in Swampland where it costs you nothing, we will not feel the need to advance this campaign. However, if you allow the errors to stand uncorrected and the letters unpublished, then we will use our 1st amendment rights to set the record straight.

Finally, rest assured we advocate nonviolence and will not publish your home address online as part of the campaign. We actually respect a person’s right to privacy, unlike Time. We don’t feel requiring warrants before you listen in on American calls, is granting any new terrorist protections. It simply enforces the Constitutional protections granted all Americans. You should be ashamed about calling yourself anything other than propagandist/hack. You are certainly as un-American as they come. How do you look at yourself in the mirror after lying to 20 million?

leinie December 5th, 2007 at 2:46 pm

[snip]
Oh, and as for no-credibility Time – where are they publishing? In the magazine, or buried at the webpage?

Was wondering the same.

Klein should be shunned.
No more talk about him and no more posting on his blog.
Just no more.

I like this.

Edited to add: this will only work, of course, if the rest of the country shuns him, too. As if!

I’d say the odds are 50-50 that it will be spun as “opinions differ”,
with an opposing view of equal length from from David Rivkin or a clone.

I guess if your sloppy journalism is going to be excused by “both sides are equal,” you better bother to print both sides:

AGAIN, Time did NOT engage in “SLOPPY” journalism, they engaged in INTENTIONALLY MISLEADING journalism – they is a HUGE difference.
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And they would need to be very careful in doing so since it is a US Senator correcting the errors of FACT they published.

Didn’t they also refuse to address or publish correspondence from Rush Holt? I think that’s his name. I mean the writer of the legislation who spoke so eloquently on the house floor.

Somewhere in the underpinnings of Timezine, someone must be wondering why they are losing readership. Well Time… start with Klein.

Shouldn’t it be Glenzilla – 2?

He did force Time to publish a correction, even though it was a poor one.

Conyers response is excellent too…

Joe Klein’s recent column deriding the House-passed FISA legislation, along with his subsequent stumbling efforts to clarify its intent, and Time Magazine’s failure to publish the protests my Democratic colleagues and I had regarding its many inaccuracies are only the most recent manifestation of disinformation put forth concerning the Bush Administration’s warrantless surveillance program and legislative efforts to modify the law. As the lead author, along with Silvestre Reyes, of the RESTORE Act, allow me to set the record straight once and for all.

Yet, suddenly, on the eve of the vote, Director McConnell withdrew his support after consultation with the White House. If the media wanted to identify over-the-top partisanship, they could begin by citing the declaration of David Addington, Vice President Cheney’s Chief of Staff, that “We’re one bomb away from getting rid of that obnoxious FISA Court,” and DNI McConnell’s assertion that by merely having an open debate on surveillance, “some Americans are going to die.”

Finally, the Administration has yet to explain why offering retroactive immunity to telephone giants who may have participated in an unlawful program is vital to our national security. Under current law, the phone companies can easily avoid liability if they can establish they received either an appropriate court order or legal certification from the Attorney General. Asking Congress to grant legal immunity at a time when the Administration has refused to provide the House of Representatives with relevant legal documents for more than eleven months is not only unreasonable, it is irresponsible.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..75448.html

Well, let’s see: Has anybody here had a subscription to Time Magazine that they have canceled due to this or some similar incident?

We’ve Klein yelling this crap and the prez running around screaming that regardless of the facts we must nuke Iran. Good gawd.

The irony is that he keeps claiming we must start bombing because if they get “the bomb,” it could start WWIII. Silly wabbit! Doesn’t he know that the first bomb we drop will start WWIII?

it was rush holt – but he didn’t write the RESTORE ACT. he wrote his own (better) bill with, but the house leadership blocked it in committee. the first time the RESTORE ACT came up for a vote on the house floor, holt voted against it (video here), but after furious negotiations (where i understand the entire progressive caucus backed his efforts), he was able to force the house leadership to make some changes in the RESTORE ACT and he then supported it (along with the progressive caucus) the next time it came to a vote on the house floor (it passed that time) (video here)

Kinda makes for a feeling of uneasiness.

ah, i blame my mistakes on the lack of a preview button. last video link is missing in my 27… here it is again, this tim i hope i hope i get it right.

ot only a little bit…. – the sjc business meeting tomorrow (where specter’s new fisa bill will be marked up) is not listed as one of the events c-span will be covering tomorrow… and more bad news. c-span confirmed to me today that the audio link (via capitolhearings.org) is still busted (if you recall that was why we could not listen live to previous sjc business meetings on fisa).

A small and pleasent victory. Were it not for blogosphere Joke Line’s take would be repeated all over the editorial pages and TV.

Who here is an artist?

That is, who here will follow his or her own thinking rather than herd mentality?

Well, let’s see: Has anybody here had a subscription to Time Magazine that they have canceled due to this or some similar incident?

I canceled my years-long subscription to Newsweek when they hired Karl Rove. Since I haven’t had an acknowledgement from them, I’m going to write a letter.

Great news. Thanks, Jane.

To say the least!

TIME par : crap EMIT

Ann, we no longer get any “paper” magazines.

Who here is an artist?

That is, who here will follow his or her own thinking rather than herd mentality?

hang around and see for yourself – i’m sure you wouldn’t want to follow anyone else’s thinking on this matter, anyway. *g*

I hope Joe Klien got the schooling provided by Blog 101: If you want to opine about anything, provide a link to the source. If you opine from willful ignorance, expect to be called until you shriek “calf rope.” (”Calf rope” is the ranch kid equivalent of yelling “Uncle.”)

Time seems to be going back to its roots, when the Luce family used its pages to spew Republican right-wing nonsense. There was a time when the magazine seemed to find a balance, but with a change of managing editor, that time has passed. Newsweek, while still weak-kneed, seems to at least aim for the middle, even when it misses.

Huh? I see them in Dr. offices! What are you saying?

Ann, In my home. We don’t subscribe. Internet only.

I used to like US News and World Report. What do you think of that Magazine? That is, if you can find it.

Oh. Okay, that fits with what I thought.

while I’m thrilled time is gonna publish feingold, I think what he wrote leaves plenty to be desired

I would have much preferred feingold point out that all a warrant does is make sure officials aren’t sying on Amnericans for their own personal gain as opposed to security

it’s nice they gave him a spot but I don’t think he did much with that spot

On the bright side, Time might try tro change the subject by putting the
Willie Horton Wayne Dumond story on the cover.

That was some story by Murray! Looked to me like he had the goods on Huckabee. If people would hold the Willie Horton deal against Dukakis, how could they not hold Dumond against Huckabee. He lobbied for him to be released. He denied he had any way of knowing that the guy actually perpetrated the crime he was accused of, and yet it is now proven that he was written to by several of the criminal’s victims, who pled with him to not release their abuser. There is evidence in the form of the letters that they wrote. What more could you want!

Huh? I see them in Dr. offices! What are you saying?

Obviously, that the media are sick.

If people would hold the Willie Horton deal against Dukakis, how could they not hold Dumond against Huckabee.

But that is such pre-9/11 thinking!

In the same ’splain yourself theme, just saw an ABC report on Huckabee and the murder-rapist story. What was it that interested Huckabee in this guy? Videoclip of Huck saying he had an exemplary prison record. What’s the backstory here?

If people would hold the Willie Horton deal against Dukakis, how could they not hold Dumond against Huckabee.

Well, there is this iron law of politics and how the media cover them: IOKIYAR.

Wing Nut Cause Celebre. IIRC, the victim in the specific case Dumond was in prison for was a distant cousin of Clinton so it was obviously a Clintonian plot to keep this poor mis-guided sould behind bars when he really didn’t mean it and besides it was all Clinton’s fault anyway. /s

In the same ’splain yourself theme, just saw an ABC report on Huckabee and the murder-rapist story. What was it that interested Huckabee in this guy? Videoclip of Huck saying he had an exemplary prison record. What’s the backstory here?

here’s the backstory

the girl who was raped had relatives that contributed to clinton’s campaign

huckabee claimed clinton had something to do with the guy being in jail and inspite of the testimony of the rape victim in a “I can screw whoever helped clinton” he released the guy

I am not exactly clear but

New Jane Upstairs Something about a Horse Race.

If people would hold the Willie Horton deal against Dukakis, how could they not hold Dumond against Huckabee.

more right wing spin there too

dukakis actually had the program removed which republicans had in place that released horton

dukakis was on the tail end of a program he had nothing to do with

First of all here’s the deal. Right Winged media owns and controls most of the media conglomerates. Contrary to popular belief, the media is not driven by left wing zealots. As a matter of the fact, the media infrastructure is composed of air-headed Barbies and Kens who no more want to dig into the nuances of how fried the surveillance bills are than they want to cook and eat a telephone and all the cables in all the rooms that are wire tapping and internet tapping every one of us right now.

Time-Warner is run by Right Wing Conservatives. The Washington Post is very obviously run by Right Wing conservatives. By the way Huckabee the Jesus Jesus and more Jesus candidate, the leader in Iowa, didn’t even know what an NIE was. But, neither does the Moron Bush–incurious my ass.

It is typical of Right Wing Conservative organizations to close out any dialogue or debate. Note that at Bush ralleys and in the future at the Republican nominee’s ralleys, the questions are coifed, coriographed,and people with T-shirts that are considered controversial are arrested. It’s not a bit surprising that TIME would try to bury Feingold’s Letter or Conyers’ letter. It is not surprising Time their Bush Shill Joe Klien would supress Rep. Rush Holt’s letter at their blog site Swampland (Dr. Holt was Assistant Director of the largest research facility at Princeton, the Princeton Plasma Physics lab.

See:Glenn Greenwald: Time magazine refused to publish responses to Klein’s false smears

Everyday that goes by, Howard Kurtz becomes more of a Right Wing shill.

Hat’s off to:

Da Bushman who displays his ability to lie front and center with his fiction on what he knew and when he knew (to paraphrase Senator Howard Baker) about the Iran National Intelligence Estimate.

Bush and his camp perceive Iran as the nation with the clearest threat to Israel and to the U.S. security wise.

Let’s replay this: Mike McConnell comes in and tells Bush that he has new information about Iran. And Bush sits their like a bump on a log and does not ask what it is because he’s “incurious.” The definition of incurious must be disingenuous with a capital “D.”

With New Data, U.S. Revises Its View of Iran

That’s about as credible as saying someone had treatment for a cancer, and when they are thorougly re-evaluated after their courses of treatment, they are “incurious” as to what the evaluation shows.

And of course McConnell and Hadley and Rice who all knew every aspect of every N.I.E. would just sit idly by without banging on the “incurious” head and chiseling the N.I.E. through.

I’m sorry for mispelling “choreographed” and the hononym “their” for “there.” I’m in need of a spell checker, or perhaps more in need of an education.

“sloppy joe journalism”

I do b’lieve we have a newly minted phrase here…..

I’m sorry for mispelling “choreographed” and the hononym “their” for “there.” I’m in need of a spell checker, or perhaps more in need of an education.

Because if I used one of either, I might be able to spell “homonym” correctly as well. Time to open winword.exe.

It’s even worse than that. It’s “Since the victim was a distant cousin of Clinton, obviously she must’ve been lyin’, since we all know that not only was Clinton a liar, everyone he was ever related to is also a liar. That girl was never raped. The story was made up.” There’s really no excuse for these people that hated Clinton so passionately that they let their hatred color everything. They’re just not good people.

PW is upstairs with a new thread.

According to EFF here, the Committee with more Bush lapdogs per cubic inch with more impact than any other on the Intelligence Bill, Senate Judy will take up Specter’s fiasco of a suck-up to grant Telco Amnesty by using a funny word as lhp’s thread yesterday made clear.

EFF Calls on Senate Judiciary Committee and Full Senate to Take More Time and Not Let Telephone Companies Off the Hook

“The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), co-lead counsel in the nearly 40 pending lawsuits against the major telephone carriers, strongly believes that Congress need not and should not grant amnesty for providing the National Security Agency (NSA) with the full content of billions of their customers’ emails, text messages and Internet-carried phone calls.”

I want to stress here, and it’s not news to anyone that Specter is following his time worn pattern of talking tough and voting and having his staff write bill revisions and markups like a real wimp who loves to savage the Constitution and does so regularly.

The meeting is listed as “closed”, so of course the people of this country will have little or no idea of what goes on as per usual. If anyone ever entertained the idea of an open and transparent government in the U.S., I’d relegate that to what Red Hedd’s “Peanut” and her friends learn in school, because it sure ain’t the reality these days.

You won’t be following this meeting and the sickening Phenergan evoking Bush lapdogging which is scheeduled to take place at 3PM Eastern. I take this to mean that I wouldn’t be welcomed with a latte and bagels and cream cheese at ole Room 407. Maybe they’d have bagels for me at the perrenial 10AM Meeting on televising Supreme Court oral arguments. What I wouldn’t give to see Clarence Thomas, whose grasp of the law and biases would serve him better as a full time 18 wheeler driver (no disrespect to any thinking 18 wheeler or RV owner or driver) sit at oral argument in stony, rageful silence.

3 p.m.
Intelligence
Closed meeting of conferees on proposed
legislation authorizing funds for fiscal year
2008 for the intelligence community.
S-407, Capitol

H/T the “Wimpy Commmittee” Senate Judiciary who purports they will take a vote on issuing contempt citations to Rove and Bolten. Good luck with those, (lol) amigos.

Glan & Jane call booo-sheeeet on Klein. Good job guys and good job everybody who didn’t stand for this boooo-sheeeet.

Pete, I was told that we have a typo and misspelling quota here that is very high.
I mean, we have to wokr to meet it.
Sweat not, dude.

When I cut off my subscription several months ago, I ’splained that most of their columnists, particularly Joe Klein, were models of lousy judgment and lazy journalism.

Time is getting desperate, I think. Last week they sent a subscribe offer that came down to a measly 30 cents an issue.

I tore it up.

Driftglass calls Joe Klein “Joke line”. With good reason.

Mail the next one back taped to a brick if it has postage paid on the envelope.

Then they might get the message that their journalistic pandering is as good as ——- bricks.