Oooh, oooh! "Venezuelan President’s Power Grab Fails" screamed the teaser for the AOL version of this AP story earlier this week:
And here’s the first few grafs:
CARACAS, Venezuela — President Hugo Chávez suffered a stinging defeat today in a vote on constitutional changes that would have let him run for re-election indefinitely and solidify his bid to transform this major U.S. oil provider into a socialist state.
Voters Sunday rejected the sweeping measures by a vote of 51 percent to 49 percent, said Tibisay Lucena, chief of the National Electoral Council, with voter turnout just 56 percent.
She said that with 88 percent of the votes counted, the trend was irreversible.
Oh, no! Chavez wanted to dump term limits! (Just like the Republicans want to do whenever somebody like Ronald Reagan is in power.)
Oooh, that was a lucky escape! The Evil Dictator has been thwarted! Yippee! (But wait: 51 percent to 49 percent? That’s a rather close margin, right? Yet from the triumphalism in the US press you’d think that it was a landslide defeat.)
Hmmm: Could it be that there are some things the US press isn’t telling us about either Chavez or the proposed changes to his country’s constitution?
Why, yes, yes, there are. Let’s look at the proposed changes first, courtesy of Gregory Wilpert:
The Venezuelan government’s effort to create "21st century socialism" is moving ahead full-steam with the December 2nd constitutional reform referendum. While tensions and confusion about the reform are rising in Venezuela, it is important to realize that this reform will mean both less and more than most outside observers seem to think. That is, as usual, many pundits, such as from the Venezuelan opposition and from so-called international experts, are painting a picture of a Venezuela that is about to finally slip into "Castro-communism," a picture that could hardly be further from the truth and that has been falsely predicted for Chavez’s entire presidency of now nine years. While there are negative or not-so-good aspects of the reform, which for the most part involve giving the president some more powers, the Venezuelan president, even after the reform, still does not have as much institutional power as the U.S. president. On the other hand, in the process of focusing on the centralizing aspects of the reform, most observers willfully miss the ways in which the positive aspects of the upcoming reform have the potential to make Venezuelan political life more in tune with the interests of the country’s mostly poor majority.
Huh? You mean our wonderful GOP/Media Complex might be — gasp! — getting things wrong here? Apparently so:
In one of the greatest departures from the 1999 constitution, the reform proposal introduces a new level of government, the "popular power" (art. 136 of the reform proposal). This power is in addition to the municipal, state, and national powers of the political system. The popular power represents the "lowest" level of government, in that it is the organization of communities in forms of direct democracy. Because of this, the reform states, "The people are the depositories of sovereignty and exercise it directly via the popular power. This is not born of suffrage nor any election, but out of the condition of the human groups that are organized as the base of the population."
The opposition has tried to twist the meaning of this article, claiming that it lays the groundwork for dictatorship because it supposedly means that the authorities of the popular power are named from above, since they are not elected.[3] This, however, represents a willful misunderstanding, as the popular power is supposed to be the place where democracy is direct, that is, unmediated by elected representatives. This is not to say that there wouldn’t be any elections at this level, but that those who are elected are not representatives, but are delegates of the community, who are to execute the community’s decisions. Currently this popular power takes the form of the citizen assemblies and their communal councils. According to the reform, it would also take the form of worker, student, youth, elderly, women, etc. councils.
Hey, this sounds an awful lot like direct democracy of the hallowed New England "town meeting" style, doesn’t it? People at the local level making decisions, instead of lobbyist-bought representatives.
Like so much of the proposed changes, it doesn’t sound evil so much as unwieldy, nebulous, and perhaps not all that well-thought-out. Then again, the unwieldiness of the "town meeting" style of government is a big reason why it didn’t become our default governmental template as America grew. But Venezuela’s a lot smaller than the US, in area and in population, and maybe in the age of the internet, this might indeed be do-able assuming Chavez can get rural areas wired up.
The second area that the constitutional reform deepens is social and political inclusion by giving all citizens the right to equal access to city resources ("right to the city," art. 18),[5] prohibiting discrimination based on sexual orientation and health condition (art. 21), including young people in the political process by lowering the voting age from 18 to 16 years (art. 64), requiring gender parity in candidacies for elected office (art. 64), protecting people from having their primary home expropriated due to bankruptcy (art. 82), introducing a social security fund for self- and informally employed Venezuelans (art. 87), guaranteeing free university education (art. 103),[6] recognizing and promoting the culture Venezuelans of African descent (art. 100), and giving university students parity in the election of university authorities (art. 109). These are all forms of social and political inclusion that, if realized, would place Venezuela at the forefront in the world in this regard.
This is about giving the average Venezuelan the same sort of goodies — political power, education, exposure to the arts — that throughout the country’s history have been the exclusive province of the rich minority. Whether it’s achievable as written is definitely up for debate, but again, it’s a laudable goal.
Next, the reform would move Venezuela further along a path of non-capitalist economic development.[7] That is, the effort to deepen non-capitalist and perhaps socialist development is centered on strengthening democratic control over the economy while weakening private sector control. For example, the central bank, which is normally under the sway of international financial institutions, would no longer be independent (art. 318, 320, 321) and the state may turn food producing and distributing businesses over to public or collective control in order to guarantee food security (art. 305). Also, the state oil company PDVSA will face stronger restrictions against privatization (art. 303).
Fans of Naomi Klein’s The Shock Doctrine will recognize that this reform is intended to prevent the Chicago Boys from coming in profiting from disaster by using it as an excuse to pillage public institutions and replace them with privatized versions that are designed to make money and exclude the poor.
Reducing the workweek from 44 to 36 hours per week would give workers more power, vis-à-vis employers (art. 90).[8] Workers rights are also strengthened in that the reform opens the possibility for greater workplace self-management, via worker councils (art. 70, 136) and directives that publicly owned enterprises should involve greater self-management (184 no. 2).
Also, eliminating intellectual property while maintaining authors’ rights to their creations, makes it more difficult for companies to profit from the creative work of others, while still protecting authors’ rights over their productions (art. 98).
In addition to strengthening the position of the state and of workers relative to private capital, the reform would also strengthen the position of domestic business relative to international business because it removes the requirement that foreign companies be treated the same as national companies (art. 301).
Aha! The first signs of Socialism! Eliminating the concept of intellectual property! RELEASE THE HOUNDS!!!
Erm, except that what Chavez is actually proposing is closer to what the Creative Commons people are doing, where authors have more control over their works, and they, not a company, get to determine who profits from their work. Oops. Besides, what the critics really object to is the shortening of the work week (can’t let those unwashed peasants have any free time — they might learn to read!) and the removal of the provision that puts foreign companies on the same legal footing as Venezuelan ones (what, you mean we can’t sell out our country’s assets to some carpetbagging mercenary?).
Finally, we come to what is called in the reforms package "The New Geometry of Power":
The "New Geometry of Power" is perhaps one of the most misunderstood aspects of the constitutional reform. The opposition and the oppositional media consistently interpret it as a blatant effort to give President Chavez dictatorial power over states and municipalities. Indeed, the reform lends itself to this misreading because it says the president may designate a variety of new politico-geographic areas, such as federal territories, federal municipalities, federal cities, and "functional districts," and may name the respective authorities, without defining the power of these authorities or the function of these new territorial divisions (art. 16).
… Rather, the main purpose of this new geometry of power, according to government representatives, is to allow the president to designate national resources and presidential powers to particular areas. That is, the idea is to concentrate national attention and resources on specific areas, regardless of their existing politico-geographic boundaries, that are in need of such attention because of their poverty or their unused human or physical resources. Existing local power structures would remain untouched and unaffected by the designation of these areas, other than in the sense of receiving more national government attention. If anything, the reform implies that communal councils can form governing structures at the city-wide level, thereby moving power down to the communities, rather than up to the president.[11]
Wow — I thought dictators only were for centralizing and consolidating power within their own person, and only for their own benefit. This Chavez guy sure isn’t acting like any dictator I’ve ever seen.
This last point, about the reform giving the president the power to reorganize municipal boundaries, touches on the larger issue of the reform slightly strengthening the president’s powers in a variety of ways. Of course, the oppositional media (including the international pundits) consistently present this as "sweeping new powers," without backing this up. The most controversial changes in this regard include the removal of the two-term limit on serving as president (art. 230). However, over half of the heads of government in the world have "sweeping power," including some of the world’s most respected democracies, such as France, Germany, Britain, and Italy.
And America used to allow its presidents the "sweeping power" to be reelected as often as the people wished. Then the Republicans, smarting after Franklin D. Roosevelt won four elections in a row, rammed through a law forbidding any future presidents from running for a third term — a law which they start talking of repealing whenever a Republican is in the White House.
Removing the limit on the number of reelections and extending the presidential term from six to seven years (art. 230) are meant to strengthen the presidency in order to carry out the long-term project of Venezuela’s political and economic transformation from capitalism to socialism. In a way, opponents ought to be grateful that Chavez is not proposing a transition within his current presidential term (which lasts another five years), but a transition with a much longer time line, which would be far less traumatic and thus gives the opposition far more opportunities to reverse the project.
Extending Chavez’s presidency (if reelected) is a mixed problem, though. On the one hand, Chavez supporters are right to say that it is more democratic if citizens are free to elect whomever they choose, as often as they choose, without artificial limitations. On the other hand, supporters of this principle ought to address the main reason such unlimited reelections are often prohibited, which is that presidents tend to accumulate power and can use the advantages of their office to make it more difficult for challengers to eventually win the presidency. This would mean placing strict restrictions on using the office of the president in one’s presidential campaign. Currently limitations of this sort are rather limited in Venezuela.
The other controversial strengthening of the office of the president is the reform’s toughening of states of emergency. According to the reform, the right to being informed would be suspended during a state of emergency, which implies that censorship may be used in such situations (art. 337). The rationale for this is that the April 2002 coup attempt was based on manipulating the media to fabricate events that ended up justifying the coup. A state of emergency, according to Chavez supporters, would have to take such a course of events into account. Contrary to most news reports, though, the state of emergency still includes the right to defense, to a trial, to communication, and not to be tortured. This is more than one can say for the current situation in the U.S., where the president has the authority to arrest people without due process, according to the recently passed Military Commissions Act.
This rates being emphasized: Even under Chavez’ proposed strengthening of the Venezuelan laws concerning states of emergency, Venezuelans would still have more civic rights than Americans do right now.
Another area where the office of the president is being strengthened is in his ability to promote all military officers, not just high-ranking ones, as was previously the case (art. 236 no. 8). While this strengthens the president’s control over the military and will probably increase the premium placed on loyalty to the president, it is not a "sweeping power" that will turn Venezuela into a dictatorship. Rather, this is something that ought to be within the purview of the military’s commander in chief, even if it might not be the wisest way to handle promotions.
Somewhat silly micromanaging? Could be. Signs of imminent dictatorhood? Only if you dislike a civilian president being commander in chief of a nation’s armed forces, as is the case in the US.
Oh, and in case you’re wondering why Chavez keeps talking about 1) needing to guard against a repeat of the April 2002 coup and 2) warning the US to stop meddling in his country’s affairs, wonder no more — Bush backed the abortive 2002 coup against Chavez.
Ironically enough, one proposed change (to Articles 71 through 74) that does actually seem to hinder democracy — one that makes it more difficult to start referenda — is one that the anti-Chavez people like, which is why you never heard them bleating about this change (and probably never heard about it at all until you saw my post today).
To sum up: There’s much that’s good, a lot that’s redundant or even silly, but not much that’s actually out-and-out bad — and nothing as bad as how it’s being painted in the US press. The one really bad thing was that Chavez and his allies overestimated the depth of the support they had for such changes — which may well turn out to be a blessing in disguise, as they can now return to working on a) refining the proposed changes and b) building popular support for them.
I’ll let my good friend Charles Utwater, one of my Mercury Rising co-bloggers, have the last word. Emphases are mine:
Hugo Chavez, once again proving himself to be so much classier than his opponents, has conceded defeat in the reform of the Venezuelan constitution. The margin is so close (1.4%) that he thinks that the remaining ballots might win it for him, but he said that he didn’t want to put the country through an experience like the US in 2000. The country had indicated that it wasn’t enthusiastically for the reforms, so he would accept their verdict.
So, ok, anti-Chavistas, you keep saying he’s a totalitarian, but you’re still the people who do coups. You say he’s disloyal to the country, but you’re the ones who run to the American government when you don’t get the vote to go the way you want. You have a much better president than you credit him for… and a much better president than the US has.
I am not at all sad to see these reforms go down. Maybe it will convince Chavez’s cohort that they need to start building leadership that can carry their movement after their leader has stepped down.
Exactly. The very fact that Chavez decided to concede the count rather than to attempt to seize even a flawed mandate seems to indicate that he himself recognizes this. (By the way, my co-blogger Charles has taken it upon himself to translate Chavez’ speech for us. Judge for youself if the man’s a scary evil dictator. Chavez, that is, not Charles.)
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blahrg
Yea, he’s a regular Thomas fucking Jefferson.
Hiya PW!
cassero!
Imgine that the vote works.
jo6pac
So PW is the basic summary that Chavez isn’t that bad a guy and democracy works over there?
where is everybody?
well, I said hi!
brilliant post.
cassero is “hi cassie”? OK. HI RAVEN!
G’day, young lady. I for one am stuck at an airport, an not uncommon condition, I’m afraid.
PW- It is hard to get a clear picture of Chavez, since so much is mediated by the MSM, but I am concerned that he has President for Life type ambitions. We must never forget Lord Acton.
Time for another US-backed coup. And this time, it better be successful.
Hi Mr Pete. Are you down under or up here?
Aloha, Raven, Cassie, and, PW! Wow, PW, mahalo for the excellent post!
Really Teddy? You think they should have another coup?
Who? Sorry couldn’t resist.
I want to visit Venezuela.
Pete, I have never been on an airplane. Have not left Texas yet.
Outstanding, informative post. I’m going to have to chew on it for a while, although there were some proposed changes that struck me as silly (giving university students parity in the election of university officials — Gawd, I remember my college days!) and well-meaning but probably wildly unrealistic (requiring gender parity in candidacies for elected office, emphasis mine).
So it turns out that our reliable, truthful and informed media might have gotten this one wrong? Who would have thunk it? /snark
Have they ever been…?
I’m in California for a couple of weeks then back downunder for Christmas with The Future Mrs DownUnder. Christmas is very strange when it is 90 degrees outside.
When are you getting married Pete?
I can empathize… 8-)
Aren’t these redundant?
Sometimes it is hot here at Christmas and sometimes cold. You can’t predict.
My grandparents are coming here from New York tomorrow.
Actually, all he wanted was to have what several other major countries currently allow their leaders to do, which is to run for office more than twice. (The only reason there’s a two-term limit in the US is because the Republicans in the 1950s wanted to prevent another FDR from kicking their butts. They regretted this move when Reagan came along, but now that it looks like a Democrat will win the 2008 race they’re happy with it again.)
It’s not just Down Under… It’s been known to be in the high 70s and 80s here too. Weird… Back before we were trying to be responsible about energy I knew folks who’d turn the air conditioner WAY, WAY, WAY down just so they could have a fire in the fireplace and make it feel like Christmas. Those days are gone!
Your first flight will be Air Force 1
Phoenix Woman do the repubs want George for 3 terms?
I was in Kings Cross in August 69, froze my ass off.
Petedownunder, you’re probably right! I just hope I’m alive in 20 years (she has to be 35, you know) to see it!
Actually, he’s better in that he’s not a slave owner. ;-)
By the way: I forgot to mention this, but one of the reforms he and the National Assembly wanted was to give gay men and lesbians full civil rights. Kinda odd behavior for an alleged dictator — most dictators try to push the conservative “family values” stance, which is of course anti-gay.
707! However, the campaign trail would demand flying… ;-)
Sorry, I was too quick on the trigger. . .again.
don’t the uk and germany have no term limits on their political leaders?
I’ve been engaged for 9 years so it’s hard to say. It’s up to her, I’m ready anytime.
Hi Marion, I have not spent much time in GA, but the SE can have strange weather. DC can go from cherry blossoms to blizzard and back.
Aloha CT, how is Hilo these days?
Thanks.
I wanted to give people a clearer picture of what actually went down last week. As Charles says, it’s actually a good thing that the reforms were voted down, because most of them, while well-intentioned, weren’t particularly well thought out. Now Chavez and Company can go back to the drawing board and try again.
If he was still over 50% in the approval ratings, yeah, they would. Back in his first term, right after the 2002 slaughter when it looked like the Republicans would own Congress and the White House forever, there was even talk amongst some of them of repealing the amendment they’d rammed through in the ‘Fifties.
Raven, you didn’t do anything wrong! No worries. (((hug)))
PW- I think term limits are a real good idea, many leaders have to dragged from office, John Howard for example in Oz. Worse cases are Mugabe in Zimbabwe and Putin
Tanks
If my aged brain recalls correctly the rationale for term limits was to [snort] help stop corruption. Wasn’t part of the idea that “new faces” in DC wouldn’t be corrupt? Well, now that K Street is up and running that idea went straight out the window. Hell, they (K Street) probably have scouts out, just like Major League Baseball, looking for likely up-and-comers….
yeah! they go to HS debate club instead of baseball games.
A bit breezy, with killah North Swells, typical weather here in the Aina!
So, we ready for Mork Romney’s big “religion” speech tomorrow?
Well, I probably had the meetings of the City Council here more in mind, but I’ll take your word for it! Oh — Petedownunder was right. You’d better get used to flying BEFORE your inauguration!
Um, no, not really… [reverting to childhood] Dad, do I have to????
I’m trying to picture what Willard could say that will help his cause:
1. We Mormons are not really a wacko cult like the evangelicals think we are
2. We are a wacko cult but it won’t affect me as president
3. We are no more wacko than Huckabee who thinks the world is 6000 years old
4. We are not wacko and we hate gays as much as the rest of you and you know it would be cool to have 3 wives
I just don’t see an upside.
I agree, ironically, the only faith the Baha’i faith doesn’t recognize is Joseph Smith and Mormonism…
I guess the MittBot 2.0 decided he had to do this to counteract Huckabee’s surge in the polls. It may be interesting watching one religious nutjob try to counteract the popularity of another religious nutjob… Does anyone have any of that nice hull-less popcorn? Hulls don’t really work with my new dental work…
MORK Romney!? First time I’ve heard that one. Fell off my chair.
Ahhhh…Mork from
OrkOrem. Throw it down, Brother.Nahnoo, nahnoo.
Think about it.
I just don’t see an upside.
You obviously don’t suffer from insomnia. I’m lookin’ at this one as a god-send, heh.
Wow, 51-49. That’s a mighty, landslide, Bush v Kerry sized Man Date. Take that, evil-doer!
How do they feel about the Flying Spaghetti Monster? I agree with Marion, I think we root for Mitt vs Huskster theological pie fight and get the extra large popcorn with real butter but no hulls.
WangDang! Long time no see…! 8-)
I wish there were a way to go to the three blogs here without having to start over each time and find our place…
I can wish for the stars because I have no techie skills!
Love the new changes!
I dunno, #4 might have some appeal with the NASCAR crowd.
Aww, not the GMO crud… 8-(
Speaking of pop corn, I’ve been in this *&%$# airport for 5 hours so I better go eat something.
Back in bit
Are you sure you didn’t mean “Nauvoo Nauvoo?
And I’ve been missing y’all!
You may have a point
Command-click on the iMac, opens other tabs. Easy.
Oh, shit, that’s good!! 707!
Good evening everyone! Interesting post PW. Unlike the crap the MSM is spewing this explains exactly what was proposed, what can work and what need fixing. My gut reaction to Chavez is that he may not be a saint (who is?) but anyone who can get the wingnut’s panties into this big of a bunch can’t be all bad.
[blush] Thanks! That’s what a brain full of useless information gets you!
Loo Hoo, it’s doable on a PC as well, it’s what I do in either IE or Firefox and saves a lot of wandering about on my part!
Aloha, MM! They’re having to charter planes to NOLA for the Sugar Bowl, They’re calling it the ‘Sugarcane Express’… Bwhahaha… Look out, Nola!
From the Dosage-In-Need-Of-Increase Department:
Vice President Cheney today predicted Iraq will be a self-governing democracy by the time he leaves office, calling the current U.S. surge strategy “a remarkable success story” that will be studied for years to come…
Totally looking forward to it! Colt’s a finalist for the Heisman, I see.
Well, now that you’re back I’m Sitting on Top of the World!
What I really want to know is what the hell is in their water coolers? I want a 55 gallon drum of that stuff….
Next time, it’s a Mac. Newtonusr has me convinced.
I have a lot of tabs open, but I’d like to keep up with FDL, Emptywheel and TBogg here. Is there a way to keep them all up and current?
The man is ill.
Heh, what part of breaking every passing record in the books, doesn’t qualify, at least, for an all-expense paid trip to MSG… However, remember, “He’s a system QB!” WTF?
Um.
Rudy Giuliani tried to rewrite the charter to remove term limits in 2000, then he tried to remove them by fiat after 9/11.
If they see this sort of thing as an attempted coup, I’m amazed they haven’t brought that up.
We have His & Hers iMacs here in our study. You plug ‘em in, turn ‘em on, turn on “sharing” and you have an effortless administratorless network, all preipherals in view regardless of where they’re attached. I am, of long experience, equally comfortable on PC and Mac platforms, but there’s really no debate. Macs are vastly superior. We never have any trouble.
Hiya Loo! Can’t wait to show that one to Mr. Doodle, but ever since I showed him youtube, he’s been hoggin’ the computer!
I forget the precise DSM-IV codes for him, but there are a couple.
Okay. If it’s a Mitt-Huckabee steel cage match here’s where we go to get caught up on the arguments pro and con: Are Mormons Christian?
WWD, follow Bobby G’s advice and get his and hers! Christmas, birthdays, Valentine’s Day…
It’s all stupid.
I do have to refresh as I flip from one window to the next, but at least I am not satrting from scratch. Best I can offer, I’m afraid.
That’s why we need the popcorn…
IOKIYAR
It’s like fucking “Office Space” absent any sense of irony.
As a long time Mac person I welcome you to join us in the light as you walk away from the Dark Side. I can assure you that with both of my most recent Macs, I purchased off the shelf, no customization and was surfing away less than a half hour after walking in the door with the new machine.
Seems like there ought to be entire textbooks devoted to his pathology!
‘Liberal ideology insists that a society in which conscious solidarity is the dominating attitude/approach is impossible, because humans are primarily and perpetually motivated by individual material incentives.
‘But the revolutionary process that Venezuela embarked upon in 1999, known as the “Bolivarian Revolution,” is challenging the core liberal tenet that narrow self-interest is the immutable human condition… [that] humans can come to value social solidarity if institutions are designed to facilitate and not to penalize cooperation.’
Empirical Study of Venezuelan Cooperatives, Camila Piñeiro Harnecker, Monthly Review, November 2007 http://www.monthlyreview.org/
Well, my alarm clock will screech at me in 7 hours, so I’m off. I’ll be back with morning beverages and news of which columnist in the NYT is saying what a bit after that. Sleep well, pups.
Nite, Marion!
Good night Marion!
Steve Inskeep and Michele Norris were hammering the democrats hard on the immigration issue. Honest to Christy, they were working extra hard to push republican talking points at the candidates. Absolutely disgraceful and disgusting. Steve and Michele – two republicans sitting in a tree.
Yep. WE took ours outa the boxes, plugged ‘em in to the AC and the router, plugged in the printers and scanner, turned ‘em on, and done.
First time I plugged in my digital camera, iPhoto launched automatically, and imported my shots, done.
No dispute. To get a PC to do what a Mac will do outa the box requires all this expensive extra shit and a bunch of administrative heartburn. You ain’t saved a dime, and you got a much shakier, more vulnerable platform on the PC/Windoze side.
Ah, but to discuss the Rudycoup, they’d also have to discuss BushCo, wouldn’t they?
The LDS Church consider their members to bo the only Christians, non-LDS people who profess to be Christians are apostates. The fundies think that all non-fundies are going to hell..seem like a theological stalemate to me.
Hey, everyone! How goes it? Had to put the spouse to bed.
BTW, and frivolously O/T -
I just had the most amazing Monday night. I am so blessed.
All hail the Hypnotoad
HA!!
But it might be fun to watch:
“I’m going to heaven, you’re not!”
“Am so!”
“Are not!”
“Am so!”
etc, etc, etc.
Evening all, from the perimeter:
PW,you have thoroughly demolished the “power grab” meme…unasked is, why would AOL spin it that way?
What disgusted me was Chris Matthews likening the Iran NIE and Chavez getting beat as the “great news” of the week. The Chavez election wasn’t even the most important election happening that DAY. A guy named Putin was consolidating power illegally in a much bigger and more dangerous country.
Well, they’d have to suggest that tossing out the law to leave a loon in charge was a bad thing, and that could be awkward.
And we’re probably not going to hear about it from Air America, because their new owner was one of the candidates, and he said OK.
Too heavy for tonight, Watson, but bookmarked for when the brain is in full gear. Thanks so much, I’ve not seen the Monthly Review before. (don’t tell a soul)
Extreme Hypnotoad :D
Stop rubbing it in! This HP has been in the shop for 1/10th of it’s existence. The last time, however, the manager at Fry’s told me they were putting in one part made in America instead of the factory part made in China. It has worked as it should since then.
Was that Mark Green?
He and the Mitt Five–and all the little Bushies, of course–are all right up there on the top ten reasons we need to lock in the artistocracy tax [formerly known as the estate tax].
Chris mathews playing Gotcha! with Chavez. What an incredible assh*le. Pooty has such beautiful eyes. Dubya can see the man’s soul. His and Pootys are nearly identical.
So do they cancel each other out?
We don’t want to hear the details! *g*
My HP is out in the garage, in pieces. R.I.P.
You’re twisted, dude. I think that’s what I like about you.
A-yep. This sounds a lot like work based on Kropotkin’s theory of Mutual Aid.
Meanwhile, Venezuela’s standard of living is rising as the poor are becoming less poor and the income gap narrows.
Speakin’ of HP and little parts, I’ve generally had great performance from HP…until a couple days ago when my printer spit out a little brush that looked like it had been installed by Barbie.
So far it still works. When it doesn’t, I can probably use the scan feature. And who prints out paper that much anymore anyway….
All glory to the hypnotoad!
lol >:]
The poor are less poor? Narrowing the income gap? Well…this is something that we cannot allow to continue, who knows where it may lead-the horrors!
Actually, I think he’s just succumbed to the Toad’s power… :P
I quit Tweety since all he can do is yell CLINTON!!!
Most of them love the war cuz it takes out the Muslim out-group. They don’t give a rat’s ass about innocent civilians – women and babies included. The war is helping to fulfill Biblical prophesy – The Christianization of the world. My Catholic Priest is hell-bent on converting the Middle east to Christianity – he doesn’t care if it takes a million years to do it. Its God’s will. Absolute bug-f*ck insanity.
New owner of Air America? Who, Julia?
I think members of the LDS Church get the ultimate Nah..Nah..they are on the path to become Gods and get their own piece of the galaxy.
Late Nite is upstairs
OOOOhhhhh, spidery tangled goodness from Jeralyn up now
Yeah, mutual aid. Like ‘do unto others’ or ‘love thy neighbor’. Radical stuff.
So they say…more specifically that is what J. Smith said.
The two differnt Venezolanas that I know that live in the US don’t like Chavez. They say Chavez really screwed up their ballgame. Apparently, each was fairly well-to-do before they came to the USA a couple of years after Chavez’s first term. AFAIC, Chavez looks like a hero. So does Morales of Bolivia.
Yeah, it was Green. I’m pretty sure the money is his brother’s.
“where is everybody?”
I just got here, Snarky, and stopped to read first.
Hey, I think there’s another way to read this media coverage.
PW’s analysis assumes that the media and their readers actually care about what is happening in Venezuela. I’m not sure this is true.
Could we have here one of those analogical kabuki thingies, like maybe a morality play, whereby the reporter is not really writing about Venezuela at all, but instead is “really” writing about George Bush and American democracy, to convey hope to the readers that we’re not really sliding towards fascism after all? And that George “29%” Bush will go quietly into that good night in January, 2009, whereupon we can all heave a huge collective sigh of relief about how wonderful our democracy is?
Bob in HI
Yupper. :-)
For more on the theory of mutual aid, go here and here.
I’m sure it’s been said already, after all I do miss a lot, but credit should been given where credit is due. Chavez is a clown but how many would be “Presidents for Life” allow themselves to be defeated in an election?
how does one open the other tabs, exactly? i’m with ie on a pc.
Very interesting. Thank you.
Phoenix Woman,
Your primary source is a propaganda piece. Look at how the author uses language to gently prod you into supporting these measures without any critical thought.
“Deepening(?)” Please!
I say this as a mostly-leftist. I believe in socialism, and I think we will come to embrace it as our ecological and humanitarian disasters worsen, and coelesce.
Or we will perish.
But, examine two proposals that you do not only not question, you laud: direct presidential military promotion, and lowering the voting age.
Giving a president the power to promote officers(one supposes) removes the President from the civilian world and puts him squarely in the military.
And what crazy colonel or master sergeant (or buck private, or draft-dodger) would George W. Bush promote if given this chance? Think about it!
And think about the last few 16-year-olds you interacted with. Trust them to vote for your president, much?
They’d vote you off the Island, for sure, or vote for their favorite commercial, and suffer buyers’ remorse for the next seven years. And Chavez know that, and so does George.
I agree with progressivism. I believe our only path to enlightenment and to salvation from this fast-approaching, self-imposed hell leads through the knowledge that we are One. Progressivism leads to that goal.
But don’t saint anybody in your
religionpolitics without hearing, or reading, the source.I admire Chavez, though I definitely don’t agree with him on even these two far-reaching (maybe fascist) Constitutional “changes.” Who knows what else he dreams? And what else he can countenance to pursue his truth?
But, I’ll give it to Hugo Chavez, he put it to a vote, and lost.
Watch out what you raise up. Examine it close.
It seems to me that the voting age should not be higher than the age at which juveniles can be tried as adults.
That’s socialism for you. Imagine asking the people to vote to give you permission to change something. Arrogance!. In a real Democracy, the President, known here as the Decider, he can just issues an Executive Order. Something like during the Creation. “And let their be light, and so there was light”.
Why bother the critter citizens with getting off their couch and voting, worrying their simple minds in trying to decide which way to vote, or even trying to decide to vote at all. And then someone has to count the votes, might even have to get some judges involved. Troublesome.
Hitler once said he was not a Dictator, he just simplified Democracy. Chavez has to get with it man, Democratic Socialism is bad. Kiss it (Keep it simple stupid).
Seriously, Democratic Capitalism is the way to go, heck, just Capitalism is all you need. Mussolini said Fascism was better named as Corporatism, and Grandpappy Bush was an admirer. GW Bush agreed and said I wish I could be a Dictator, my job would be a lot easier. And so it was done, and the American Empire was born, or at least it grew bigger (burp). May Democracy RIP. Corporatism rules. Divide and Rule baby!
Bravo! And don’t forget, Chimpy’s favours that strong man of Colombia. Chimpy said a free trade agreement with Colombia is the way to “help” Venezuala.
We in the US are the ones who need help!!!