I'm really getting tired of Wallace's Mike Huckabee's cynical exploitation of his religion when it's politically convenient, and his cowardly abandoning it when it's not.
During the YouTube debate, he was asked a tough question about what Jesus would say about the death penalty. He slickly dodged it, saying "Jesus was too smart to ever run for public office." Ha ha ha.
But when the former Baptist Minister was governor of Arkansas, he suggested that Jesus was pro-capital punishment. Not so funny.
Yesterday, Huckabee seemed annoyed that he was asked so often whether he thought creationism should be taught in public schools.
"That's an irrelevant question to ask me — I'm happy to answer what I believe, but what I believe is not what's going to be taught in 50 different states," Huckabee said. "Education is a state function. The more state it is, and the less federal it is, the better off we are."
But at another function:
Huckabee, at a dinner in Des Moines, told reporters that the theory of intelligent design, whose proponents believe an intelligent cause is the best way to explain some complex and orderly features of the universe, should be taught in schools as one of many viewpoints. "I don't think schools ought to indoctrinate kids to believe one thing or another," he said.
So for one audience, he says the issue of what our children are being taught in public schools is "irrelevant," and for another, he's arguing that teaching sound science is tantamount to "indoctrination." C'mon.
Huckabee has made his faith central to his campaign. Here's video of Huckabee attributing his rise in the polls to God. The cause is more likely His CHRISTIAN LEADER spots, obviously designed to attack Romney's cult Mormonism, contains this:
"Faith doesn't just influence me. It really defines me. I don't have to wake up every day wondering what do I need to believe," Huckabee says in the ad. "Let us never sacrifice our principles for anybody's politics. Not now, not ever."
What a flim-flam. If you're going to say, "Vote for me because of what I believe," then you can't run away from questions about what you believe.
Don't forget -- what Huckabee is doing by dodging and weaving every time someone asks him directly about his fundamentalist beliefs is in violation of his own religion -- supposedly the thing that "defines" him. Luke 6:22 says, "Blessed are you when people hate you, avoid you, insult you, and slander you because you are committed to the Son of Man." Translation: say what you believe and let the chips fall where they may. (Guess something the nuns taught me stuck.)
Huckabee needs to either stop these cutsey little evasions about his faith or stop using it to get elected.
He can't have it both ways.
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Huckabee also said that the media should stop asking him about his religion…”it’s irrelevant” which was ironic given that he was speaking at a convention of evangelicals ABOUT his religious faith and how it WAS important.
With Bush continuing to pretend to be a Christian, it seems like Huckabee might want to downplay his own beliefs.
OT - tech problem - Am I the only person having trouble with authentication? After logging into to firedoglake successfully, I can post a comment in the firedoglake thread but when I go to emptywheel, it doesn’t think I’ve authenticated and therefore does not give me a comment box in which to comment.
Hucksterbee, used religion salesman
The Huckster is going to be undone by Wayne Dumond. As Atrios says:
Everyone got a good laugh when Hillary talked about the VRWC…Well who is laughing now?
Here’s another Huckabee fuckery:
Haven’t tried that yet Neil.
So it’s irritating for him to have to explain HIS views and it’s irrelevant…he feels perfectly at ease when they question other candidates about their religions.
Now if Huckabee was not so diligent at pandering in front of rapturists like Tim LaHaye (the author of the “Left Behind” novels) and other evangelicals with all this stufrf about how he is ONE with his religion…it is in every fibre of his essence…then it would be less of a worry. But he’s no a guy who would every vote for a measure that was for the good of his broader Constituents and not so good for his religious backers. In fact his argument is likely “there can’t BE any contradiction between the two”.
Nice.
I haven’t had this problem so far…with emptywheel or with TBogg.
It seems to me that anyone who professes a literal belief (here in the 21st century!) that a giant, sentient, omniscient, invisible ghost rules the universe ought to bear an extreme burden of proof as to why they should be allowed to govern a nation — or for that matter, raise children or operate heavy equipment.
The Huckster take lead over Rudy in National poll..
It’s the science, stupid.
Mr. Huckabee’s comments are plain-as-day evidence that he doesn’t know enough about science to run a 9th grade biology class, much less a government. The USA has become a world-wide joke in terms of our ignorance on the subject of evolution, and it just has to stop. There’s no excuse. It’s ridiculous to bend over for this bullshit in the name of religion; it’s ridiculous to be required to pretend that we respect the views of people who are starkly incoherent on subjects that are unrelated to personal spiritual life.
If Mr. Huckabee wants to preach, all power to him. If he wants to govern, he’s got a lot of learning to do.
We cannot have leadership that isn’t capable of comprehending the difference between the word “theory” when used in the context of science and when used in ordinary conversation. It’s not that hard!
I propose a No Politician Left Behind exam on science. All scores to be posted publicly. Nobody is allowed to get on the ballot without passing.
Huckster scares me, ESPECIALLY if he’s being seriously honest.
His veneer of innocuous one-liners appears to hide a very disturbing set of priorities and plans.
-favors “intelligent design” being taught in our schools, as opposed to real science.
-wants to “do away with the IRS.”
-against gun control. PERIOD.
-supports rigorous use of death penalty.
….
Please correct me if I have over-stated the above. I finally ‘hit the fan’ recently about this guy, & was only just starting a list of what I believe are confirmed positions on issues as of last night.
It’s also disturbing to me that he would wade through that whole recent repubble UToob “debate” getting cheers not only from his canned audience, but from the MSM.
It was my impression that he said
almostNOTHING of substance, and their support was based almost entirely on his snarky little asides.Until he secures either the nomination or a veep spot, it’s absolutely in his interests to equivocate. No surprises here.
Just what we need in the 21st century.. a creationist advocate in the White House.
Hey who said we can’t compete with the Taliban?
true enough, but we’ve been here before.
i for one do NOT want a re-run.
oncetwice was already too much.Huckabee is the most formidable of the goopers. Sure he is flawed, but he is media savvy and a masterful performer. He has media “it”. I thought it was just me, but no less a writer than Hendrik Hertzberg did a piece at New Yorker on the same thing.
The Dems should be ready for a fierce race if he gets the nod.
I’m holding out for the Pastafarian candidate.
What’s the deal with this “state” fetish many conservatives seem to have? Fifty smaller tyrannies are somehow “better” than one big one?
Mods - I’m sure someone is on it but there is a nasty troll, PukeOnMe, at the end of the Walter thread.
[Mod Note; thanks for the heads up. There’s nothing to see there anymore.]
Mods - that was fast! Thanks.
be careful what you wish for *g*
I always thought, for a variety of reasons that Huckabee was the strongest candidate the Rethugs had. Now, with this evolution business, and the the just now exploding Wayne Dumont business, I may have been wrong.
That would be a first.
Giuliani is toast, Thompson has yet to actually wake up and McCain is now a bad joke so that leaves a plastic Mormon with a gardener problem. Oh, and Ron Paul. Right. Not a good time to be a Republican, eh?
Murray Waas need to dig into the Huckster weight loss story. Huckster says it was exercise and good eating…there are rumors that surgery may have had a significant impact on his weight loss.
I’m betting the latest Waas piece on Huckabee was inspired by the Huckster’s most recent lie WRT Dumond, where he (get this) BLAMES CLINTON for Huckabee’s paroling Dumond!
Shorter Huckabee:
As far a my faith goes: Don’t ask. I’ll tell.
Check out Matt Taibbi’s Rolling Stone article on the Huck-man.
He’s crazy, yes, but not stupid.
Yes, as long as they claim to be Christian tyrannies.
Yeah, I just wrote to Chris Matthews via the entry on Media Matters that to me, Huckabee should go one way or the other. Either he should admit “Yeah, I pick and choose which Words of The Lord to follow” or he should prove that he faithfully follows ALL of His Words. This in-between, sort-of-this and sort-of-that is wholly unsatisfactory.
Write to him, Steve.
I wouldn’t have thought there’d be too much danger, other than, perhaps, a very long wait.
As I’ve said many times here at FDL: The smart Repugs know they’re f*cked with respect to presidential elections ‘08. Not one of the Repug candidates is electable. Not a one.
Thanks for this. That thread on Saturday is usually way before I get to the Lake.
Agreed. Which may be why Hegel, who would have been the Repug’s strongest candidate and the only one who might have actually, you know, won, refused to touch it with a ten foot pole.
Hagel… The other guy is the dyspeptic philosopher…*g*
I’d vote for Hegel…if I had a vote. But then, I teach philosophy for a living.
Makes perfect sense. After all, the Federal Government may not be quite in tune to the way a particular Christian denomination works in a particular state. It’s nice to know that guys like Huckabee are sensitive that my atheism would be better served with a state-tailored Baptist-based law rather than a Federal, Lutheran-based law.
I’ll gladly hold the pastafarian in my heart, but we don’t have time to wait.
It’s (almost) hard to joke at a time like this, but DANG, that’s a trainwreck of a candydate lineup the repubbles have from which to make their momentous decisivationing. hint hint.
pr’aps that thot drives Hills & others from t’other side to gawk & tweak their squawk in hopes that…
aw. heckle. y’all KNOWS it does. eh?
Hagel
Hegel
I’m with ya, Adie, I’m with ya.
Ouch. Hegel had nationalistic views that I think ultimately helped pave the ways to both Nazism and neo-conservatism (although they may not even be aware of it), didn’t he?
Egad, just now I noticed.
Is NOTHING sacred?!
The shoulderstrap of the bariatric wonderboy’s gheetarrrr.
Ain’t that d’oh- illegal? Wha! That’s MY flag!
How darest thou, Lord Hucka-not-to-be!?!
Hagel, Hegel, OK. All things considered, I’d actually prefer Hagel. (Slightly) better looking, too.
he’s pandering to his bass.
Damn, I was trying to work “strum” in there somehow…
Huh. A fissure of men?
Yes-s-ssss! Punaise does manually nested quotes! (Now if this will just come out the way I think it should, ’cause of course Preview’s not around.)
Strum Thormand has possibilities…
strum and drang?
I dunno, but it’s funny how quickly that fetish vanishes when it’s in their interests; e.g., Gore vs. Bush.
Hegel as a proto-Nazi - well, not really, although Karl Popper had a go at him for it (along with Plato). Nationalist, maybe - though that’s pretty much par for the course in the nineteenth century. Originator of neo-conservatism - can’t see how one would make that case.
What I do like about him is that he’s an early attempt at giving a rationalistic reiterpretation of religion. Now *that’s* somethıng I’d like to see in a US presidential candidate (tho’ I won’t hold my breath). And not entirely OT either…
Don’t fret it.
OT, but wanted to let the pups know John Conyers has a post up over at the Huffington Post - sorry haven’t figured out how to link.
Don’t you DARE ruin our new toy!
I know a techiewizard.
He’s a beeoootiful techiewizard, with a good heart.
He’s a hoominbeen, just like u & me.
He’s a sweetie, but he doesn’t like people messin’ wit’ his creativisioning.
If you like it at the Lake, choose your next step werry carefully…
*shudder*
Over shoulder, “Whatever it is, I didn’ do it, ma!”
What a collection of losers on the repug side. Of course the MSM would have to actually show the people who they are and what they represent.
You think?
Na never happen. They goofed off on W and gave him a pass. He was AWOL, a drunk and a coke head who never left the country but once with his daddy. That makes him qualified no? See what the guy you wanna have a beer with got us?
I wonder if he belongs to the “Lap Band“
;->
I just want reporters to start challenging him aggressively on these endless evasions. What exactly do you believe, Governor? No equivocating.
I vaguely recall Hegel started the nationalistic thing, though. Or at least was the first to popularize it.
On the neo-cons…Leo Strauss had a strong nationalistic bent that I thought might have at least partly come from a Hegelian influence. But I don’t think Strauss ever did a commentary on Hegel…and I don’t know that he otherwise cited him…so this is just conjecture.
I think it may be more useful to go after the financial hocus pocus.
AGREED!
BT, me too. Of course, I want to be independently wealthy when I wake up tomorrow morning, too.
Huckabee shouldn’t get a pass. HE’S made his religion an issue, cuz he and his is so much better than us DFHs, and he’s more moral, and it qualifies him to lead. Fuck that. He needs to be called on this stuff, and none of this slimy “charm” dodge.
This twit scares me - he gets elected, and I don’t rule it out, I’m not that confident about a dem prez in 2008, and we have a do nothing Congress like we have now, and Margaret Atwood’s fiction is gonna take steps towards being reality.
Huck thinks the Taliban is a good idea - he thinks the bill of rights is a fucking suggestion he can disregard.
Oh shoot. I just must go. Fun at the dawg park today. Bye guys. I think I may have said that wayyy upthread. *blush* Now I mean it. As you were, pups.
Jane’s upstairs.
Did Morgan Spurlock Find Osama Bin Laden?
Huckabee is just getting the religious vote. Not very creative on his part, but it works.
Oh, no doubt. But in demurring on these issues, he’s also trying to get the secular (or I should just say, non-fundie) vote. And that’s my beef.
While we’re at it, let’s run this up the SCOTUS flagpole and see if it gets a salute. :o)
http://apnews.myway.com//artic…..JCVO0.html
The universe was created by an all-powerful all-knowing being who came down to us
in the form of a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father who can make you live
forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as
your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity
because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree
So? You have a problem with that?