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	<title>Comments on: Wingnuts See Great Patriotic War With Iran Slip Away, Experience 5 Stages of Grief</title>
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		<title>By: TheraP</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/04/wingnuts-see-great-patriotic-war-with-iran-slip-away-experience-5-stages-of-grief/#comment-1132429</link>
		<dc:creator>TheraP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I must admit I sent that info on to Firedoglake over the weekend.  Wish they had followed up and scooped this.  (I have a US friend, now in Canada, who sent us the news.)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must admit I sent that info on to Firedoglake over the weekend.  Wish they had followed up and scooped this.  (I have a US friend, now in Canada, who sent us the news.)</p>
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		<title>By: TheraP</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/04/wingnuts-see-great-patriotic-war-with-iran-slip-away-experience-5-stages-of-grief/#comment-1132425</link>
		<dc:creator>TheraP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the link.  I will follow up.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I know the thread has moved on.  But it begins to look more hopeful for our side… as they tie themselves more and more into knots!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link.  I will follow up.</p>
<p>I know the thread has moved on.  But it begins to look more hopeful for our side… as they tie themselves more and more into knots!</p>
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		<title>By: Phoenix Woman</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/04/wingnuts-see-great-patriotic-war-with-iran-slip-away-experience-5-stages-of-grief/#comment-1132422</link>
		<dc:creator>Phoenix Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Even better:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.americablog.com/2007/12/bush-iran-press-conference-open-thread.html&quot;&gt;AmericaBlog&lt;/a&gt; found this WaPo story showing that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/03/AR2007120302210_2.html?hpid=topnews&amp;sid=ST2007102501235&quot;&gt;Bush was originally briefed months ago&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Hadley said &lt;strong&gt;Bush was first told in August or September&lt;/strong&gt; about intelligence indicating Iran had halted its weapons program, but was advised it would take time to evaluate. Vice President Cheney, Hadley and other top officials were briefed the week before last. Intelligence officials formalized their conclusions on Tuesday and &lt;strong&gt;briefed Bush the next day&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;So he lied.  Again.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even better:  <a href="http://www.americablog.com/2007/12/bush-iran-press-conference-open-thread.html">AmericaBlog</a> found this WaPo story showing that <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/03/AR2007120302210_2.html?hpid=topnews&amp;sid=ST2007102501235">Bush was originally briefed months ago</a>:
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<p>Hadley said <strong>Bush was first told in August or September</strong> about intelligence indicating Iran had halted its weapons program, but was advised it would take time to evaluate. Vice President Cheney, Hadley and other top officials were briefed the week before last. Intelligence officials formalized their conclusions on Tuesday and <strong>briefed Bush the next day</strong>.</p>
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<p>So he lied.  Again.</p>
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		<title>By: Lindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;From The Blotter via &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004822.php&quot;&gt;The Muck&lt;/a&gt;: A Canadian judge has ruled that because of the U.S. government’s policies on torture, interrogation, detention, and refugees, Canada can no longer turn away refugees from the U.S.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From The Blotter via <a href="http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004822.php">The Muck</a>: A Canadian judge has ruled that because of the U.S. government’s policies on torture, interrogation, detention, and refugees, Canada can no longer turn away refugees from the U.S.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve-AR</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve-AR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Bush Claims He Wasn’t Briefed on NIE Until Last Week&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Who knew what and when? House Intel committee apparently didn’t know and I haven’t heard anything from Senate Intel..someone needs to ask Jay and/or Feingold.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Bush Claims He Wasn’t Briefed on NIE Until Last Week</p>
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<p>Who knew what and when? House Intel committee apparently didn’t know and I haven’t heard anything from Senate Intel..someone needs to ask Jay and/or Feingold.</p>
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		<title>By: HelplessDancer</title>
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		<dc:creator>HelplessDancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Talk about famous last words!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about famous last words!</p>
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		<title>By: jayt</title>
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		<dc:creator>jayt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;George Bush is scared shitless of Helen Thomas - pass it on.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Shall I assume this means he never called on her?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Correct. He quite studiously and obviously ignored her raised hand - again.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>George Bush is scared shitless of Helen Thomas &#8211; pass it on.</i></p>
<p>Shall I assume this means he never called on her?</p>
<p>Correct. He quite studiously and obviously ignored her raised hand &#8211; again.</p>
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		<title>By: Phoenix Woman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phoenix Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;p&gt;At least we have gotten this far. AP headline reads:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;    &lt;strong&gt;Bush Claims He Wasn’t Briefed on NIE Until Last Week&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, at the very least, there is doubt expressed in that headline. He claims. Not bush only briefed last week.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, we’re making progress here. Press not just transcribing. Actual thought going on.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;That’s funny, because the opening grafs of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.consortiumnews.com/2007/120307.html&quot;&gt;The Consortium’s story&lt;/a&gt; by Ray McGovern on this read as follows:
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&lt;p&gt; With redraft after redraft, it was what the Germans call “eine schwere Geburt”—a difficult birth, &lt;strong&gt;ten months&lt;/strong&gt; in gestation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I do not know how often Vice President Dick Cheney visited CIA Headquarters during the gestation period, but &lt;strong&gt;I am told he voiced his displeasure as soon as he saw the first sonogram/draft very early this year&lt;/strong&gt;, and is so displeased with what issued that he has refused to be the godfather.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;This time Cheney and his neo-con colleagues were unable to abort the process.&lt;/strong&gt; And after delivery to the press, this child is going to be very hard to explain—the more so since it is legitimate.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;In other words, Cheney certainly knew, and we all know that he’s the real Decider.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>At least we have gotten this far. AP headline reads:</p>
<p>    <strong>Bush Claims He Wasn’t Briefed on NIE Until Last Week</strong></p>
<p>So, at the very least, there is doubt expressed in that headline. He claims. Not bush only briefed last week.</p>
<p>So, we’re making progress here. Press not just transcribing. Actual thought going on.</p>
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<p>That’s funny, because the opening grafs of <a href="http://www.consortiumnews.com/2007/120307.html">The Consortium’s story</a> by Ray McGovern on this read as follows:
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<p> With redraft after redraft, it was what the Germans call “eine schwere Geburt”—a difficult birth, <strong>ten months</strong> in gestation.</p>
<p>I do not know how often Vice President Dick Cheney visited CIA Headquarters during the gestation period, but <strong>I am told he voiced his displeasure as soon as he saw the first sonogram/draft very early this year</strong>, and is so displeased with what issued that he has refused to be the godfather.</p>
<p><strong>This time Cheney and his neo-con colleagues were unable to abort the process.</strong> And after delivery to the press, this child is going to be very hard to explain—the more so since it is legitimate.</p>
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<p>In other words, Cheney certainly knew, and we all know that he’s the real Decider.</p>
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		<title>By: alank</title>
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		<dc:creator>alank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;“The NIE doesn’t do anything to change my opinion.”&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;QED&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>“The NIE doesn’t do anything to change my opinion.”</p>
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<p>QED</p>
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		<title>By: Biodun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Biodun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sacrecrow’s upstairs…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sacrecrow’s upstairs…</p>
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