If you haven’t picked up a copy of Naomi Klein’s The Shock Doctrine yet, please do so. It not only explains what the Chicago-School-educated dictators and their US backers have been doing around the world to destroy government programs that actually help the poor and working classes — it also shows how the people, especially in Latin America, have been fighting back and winning, blowing off the free-marketeers of the IMF and World Bank and other like-minded entities. To the growing list of nations that are fighting back and winning, we can add one more: Malawi.
As recently as 2005, Malawi’s leaders had obediently followed the dictates of the free-market gospel spreaders. They cut back their government subsidies, especially for seeds and fertilizer, and watched as harvest after harvest failed. Yet the free marketeers kept giving Malawi prescriptions for more of the same: No government interference. Besides, why should your silly people bother with being able to feed themselves, when they could be growing cash crops for export!
In 2005, after the worst harvest in a decade, Malawi’s leadership said: Enough.
Over the past 20 years, the World Bank and some rich nations Malawi depends on for aid have periodically pressed this small, landlocked country to adhere to free market policies and cut back or eliminate fertilizer subsidies, even as the United States and Europe extensively subsidized their own farmers. But after the 2005 harvest, the worst in a decade, Bingu wa Mutharika, Malawi’s newly elected president, decided to follow what the West practiced, not what it preached.
Stung by the humiliation of pleading for charity, he led the way to reinstating and deepening fertilizer subsidies despite a skeptical reception from the United States and Britain. Malawi’s soil, like that across sub-Saharan Africa, is gravely depleted, and many, if not most, of its farmers are too poor to afford fertilizer at market prices.
“As long as I’m president, I don’t want to be going to other capitals begging for food,” Mr. Mutharika declared. Patrick Kabambe, the senior civil servant in the Agriculture Ministry, said the president told his advisers, “Our people are poor because they lack the resources to use the soil and the water we have.”
The country’s successful use of subsidies is contributing to a broader reappraisal of the crucial role of agriculture in alleviating poverty in Africa and the pivotal importance of public investments in the basics of a farm economy: fertilizer, improved seed, farmer education, credit and agricultural research.
Of course, it would be nice if Malawi’s leaders had had the support of the US and other "free-market" nations in working to keep their population within sustainable limits so that their land and soil hadn’t been so depleted in the first place:
Malawi, an overwhelmingly rural nation about the size of Pennsylvania, is an extreme example of what happens when those things are missing. As its population has grown and inherited landholdings have shrunk, impoverished farmers have planted every inch of ground. Desperate to feed their families, they could not afford to let their land lie fallow or to fertilize it. Over time, their depleted plots yielded less food and the farmers fell deeper into poverty.
But the US, the "donor" nation that most heavily pushed gutting government fertilizer subsidies, also has spent the past few years not only actively fighting the groups that promote birth control, but forcing nations like Malawi to gut contraception subsidies and to charge their people for birth control methods — which of course means that the poorer the woman (and the vast majority of Malawis are very poor indeed) the less likely she is to be able to get contraception. Result: More and poorer people.
The irony is that you’d think that the business-minded World Bank and IMF would heartily approve the Malawi government’s fertilizer subsidies, as they have more than paid for themselves in cash terms as well as in terms of keeping people alive:
Malawi’s determination to heavily subsidize fertilizer and the payoff in increased production are beginning to change the attitudes of donors, say economists who have studied Malawi’s experience.
The Department for International Development in Britain contributed $8 million to the subsidy program last year. Bernabé Sánchez, an economist with the agency in Malawi, estimated the extra corn produced because of the $74 million subsidy was worth $120 million to $140 million.
“It was really a good economic investment,” he said.
But then again, what with the insistence of free-market worshipers to hew to their failed model even in the face of repeated catastrophe, you have to wonder if they’re just seriously deluded, or are deliberately working to create disasters as described by Klein in her book:
In a withering evaluation of the World Bank’s record on African agriculture, the bank’s own internal watchdog concluded in October not only that the removal of subsidies had led to exorbitant fertilizer prices in African countries, but that the bank itself had often failed to recognize that improving Africa’s declining soil quality was essential to lifting food production.
“The donors took away the role of the government and the disasters mounted,” said Jeffrey Sachs, a Columbia University economist who lobbied Britain and the World Bank on behalf of Malawi’s fertilizer program and who has championed the idea that wealthy countries should invest in fertilizer and seed for Africa’s farmers.
The lesson is clear: Listening to the Chicago Schoolers brings pain and disaster. Giving them the back of your hand brings prosperity — in Malawi, as in Latin America and elsewhere around the world. The shock’s wearing off, indeed.
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Good morning from L.A. & a chill early morn it is, too. Great a.m. post, PW. I’m in the process of reading Shock Doctrine & Naomi Klein’s clarity of thought on this makes BushCo’s actions past & potential in the ME even more disturbing than I already assumed they were…
Ah yes.
Really cold in Florida this morning too Marie. Nice post PW. Republicans worldwide won’t be happy until we are all starving peasants.
In reading over this post, I first thought of Bush’s petulance. IN other words, the best way to make him do something is to tell him not to do it. The release of the NIE by McConnell would seem to assure a strike upon Iran unless Condi has some newfound superior influence over Bush instead of Cheney.
Good post PW. I have gotta pickup Klein’s paradigm shifting book.
Icy in NE Iowa, precinct captain meeting for Edwards campaign tonite. First time I’ve been actively involved in a campaign. It feels good.
OMG. Lou Dobbs on democracynow for the hour this morning. Tempted to stick my fingers in my ears & lalalala.
here is a must see, must show youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..hp?t=92241
it’s naomi’s book in two minutes and it is very powerful and a must show to whoever you care about
what she writes and talks about is not an untried hypothesis it’s 100 percent correct
it works on the masses however it looses it’s affectiveness if the subjects know about the technique… the inoculation against mass shock doctrine is the simple knowledge that it works
individual shock doctrine will work even if you know about it but mass shock doctrine needs ignorance to be effective
most of us here on this site were not subject to the shock doctrine as it occurred, most of us saw the manipulation and we spoke out, but of course it worked on the masses, not only the simple minded either…I don’t know why most of us were immune here at firedoglake but we were
times have changed around the world because of the events in America and those that used those events to impliment the shock doctrine, and the “shock doctrine” worked in other countries before they tried it on us
times might change again in the near future from a similar event or a natural catastrophy and we need to prepare ourselves, our friends, our relattives
the technique won’t work on those of you that understand how we might be manipulated through “the shock doctrine”
this is friedman’s wet dream, in the beginning I am pretty sure he actually believed his “free market” bullcrap but when they saw there is no such thing a a “free market” they continued with the plans because they made SO MUCH MONEY
and that’s what this is about, they know as a fact there is no such thing as “the market monitors itself” but they make so much money they will do it whenver they can
we must inoculate
show to everyone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..hp?t=92241
I guess a post of mine got lost in moderation land so until it’s released here’s a youtube you must show to everyone you know
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..hp?t=92241
Morning, all – great post PW and as someone who tends a large garden, I can tell you that fertilizer(esp. from animals and composted plants) is EVERYTHING when it comes to getting stuff to grow. Certain crops, like corn, just soak up all the nutrients in the soil. Good on the government to decide that the growing is more important than kneeling to the World Bank. I’d like to see any of those guys (Paul Wolfowitz…oh, please)get out there and shovel s**t.
Actually, the release of the NIE is the intel community AND DOD stepping up to give Bush and the PNAC Platoon a collective backhand across the face. They’ve tried the subtle hints and the not-so-subtle hints, and Bush has ignored them. Here’s something he can’t ignore.
Hey, maybe some of Dobbs’ followers might be listening in. Who knows, Amy could convert a few!
Shivery-cold here in Santa Monica, but my blood’s thinned out, as we northeast transplants tend to say. Could certainly be worse. Got friends in Seattle & upstate Oregon who really got battered by a hellacious storm front these past two days.
Excellent post PW! Thanks so much.
Milton Friedman’s free market philosophy is little more than a faith-based religion. And it has wrought too much pain and suffering. And it must be exposed to the light of reason.
I have errands to run today, so I must leave for a while. Hope to be back this afternoon.
Have a good day firepups.
There is a free market and it will self destruct or create monopolism and all wealth moves up and it turns to slavery or feudalism… or worse revolution.
Good Morning PW,
zedigg!
Yes, I think that’s right. I live in NYC so 9/11 was quite a shock. Having been a foreign policy moron, but being retired so I had time, the first thing I did was look for information sources so I could figure out what was going on. Completely eliminated the shock influence. Knowledge is power, even over your emotions.
BTW, I’ the only one I know who became anti-patriotic after 9/11. The primary job of the federal govt is defense. It failed on 9/11. Why would anyone rally behind a failure?
Freezing temps in central Tx but skies are clear. Thanks for a great post PW
Yeah. What I’d really like is for the farmers to be trained in organic farming techniques so that they could make their own compost (a lot of that knowledge got lost in the rush to modernize), but this is a good start.
Paul Wolfowitz knows all about shoveling dung — it’s his life’s work.
OTOH – If he’s gonna be on anywhere, that’s the place I’d most like to see him…hope Amy is grilling him to a tasty rare. Thanks for the heads up; will try to catch a later showing.
Now you know someone else.
Nice to have company! Why for you? Same reasoning as me?
Thanks, Perris!
Hot diggity dugg!
PW -Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! This is such a critical issue not only in Malawi but also around the world – and here at home. It also points up the pseudo-science of of what is put out there as science (Friedman in this case). So much of our foreign policy (AID, World Bank) has been predicated on what promotes the financial interests of big business here. I have often wondered why the African countries I visit are for the most part worse of now then when I first began traveling here several decades ago. This (and the impact of the cold war militarization of Africa by the West and Russia) go a long way to addressing this. If these same journalists would now turn their attention to the ways that Western financial interests are fueling the civil war in Congo (over 4 million dead since 2004) in the pursuit of blood diamonds, tin oxide (critical in computers), and are clear cutting forests which will be devastating not only for Africa but also Europe.
when the msm started the incessant “now the whole world will be different”, it locked the whole thing in place a bit too neatly.
Alas, the Free Market is far from “free” -it is government supported.
I have never been patriotic. What a stupid concept to begin with.
911 was no shock except at how gullible the people were to what was being done to them.
I don’t for a minute believe that OBL pulled that off without some serious help or maybe he didn’t at all and it was pinned on him because it sure was the beginning salvo in the age of terra. It was clear that when the CCCP fell a new boogy man for the MIC was needed… their star wars suddenly became a dumb idea and was about to be canned.
The money came rushing in and the MIC is happy as a big in a rug. Terra Works. It’s good for bidness.
If you think that 911 was to a war on the infidels.. think again. Someone wanted to take away our freedoms and it wasn’t the people of Afghanistan.
Pretty much. I was also retired and of a curious disposition. It certainly wasn’t very difficult to figure out what was going on. All the information was readily available. One just had to have the interest in going after it.
Now I really do have to run.
See you all later.
University of Chicago…home of Leo Strauss and the Neocon movement as well.
Hey ho, Bushie presser today. Will the questions be anything GWB can handle w/out resorting to an aggressive smirk & leaning out over the podium menacingly? Or how about telling the reporters that their children are somehow in jeopardy, that’s always a good one. Will the WH press corps step up to the plate on the NIE in any discernible fashion?
Why do I already know the answers to my ?s
eCAHNomics & Bilbo -
Ya’ll might want to ask for a show of hands…could be surprised at how many there are of similar persuasion.
No wonder I like it here.
On anti-patriotic after 9-11, I am not sure that is the term i would use, but the image of flags all over trucks and bridges revolted me. Alas, I came to feel much the same thing about organized religion. And, where was Big Religion in addressing the Iraq war mess- or poverty in Africa and elsewere?
‘morning all… coffee is ready.
geebus – sounds like Wolfowitz or someone is in charge of the World Ban… what a bunch of idiots…
Richmond -
Ditto on the organized religion issue.
Ahhhh, I clicked on FDL and I was automatically logged in AND when asked, the comments appeared. It works. Or, as I suspect, I finally figured how to do these confounded toobz.
Anyway, good for all the countries in the world that figured out that their populations are important; That corporations are greedy; (not all, but many); and that there is a better way than always listening to the corporatists.
But there will be generational struggle here in America. Buying first, figuring out how to pay later has been the American way. I feel that will no longer be the case, as I preach to my family daily.
there, fixed the typo.
As for the topic at hand, William Easterly is a recovering World Bank economist who writes semsibly on the subject of development. He’s now at NYU & Brookings.
http://www.cgdev.org/content/expert/detail/2699/
He is opposed to the so-called Washington Consensus, which is the Friedmaniac view that has ruined so many countries. Easterly suggests you should ask the countries populations what they need Isince the governments in so many of them are so awful). Sounds like that’s the course that Malawi has taken.
Where’s Christy Hardin Smith these daze?
tritto
t’anks, greewarriror – I knew something was wrong… there isn’t any oil under the land in Malawi is there?
Another topic in search of a thoughtful journalist. I just went to hear a lecture on Second Life in the academy (the adult computer “game”). Millions and millions of dollars in this, and massive time input by those who play. It reminds me of my daughter playing in her doll house for hours as a young kid. Play is play (and is necessary), but what is the value of investing so much time and money in this fantasy game (and millions are involved), when there are real things one can do to change the world so we don’t destroy it (politically, environmentally, materially). —This game is all about leaving this world to live in an imaginary one through the form of avatars.
Vacation for a couple of weeks. Christmas stuff with her family, mainly.
Erm, why single out the Chicago school?
Milton Friedman
amen. what richmond said. many thanks pw.
suggestion – don’t forget to digg.
Chicago School is Ground Zero for the economic & political philosophies that are wreaking so much havoc. As someone already mentioned: Leo Strauss & Milton Friedman. Naomi Klein does a good job in her book of desribing how Latin American economists were endocrinated both by attending UC and by its branches that were set up in Latin America.
Yikes, the site ate my comment. I just submitted a long OT with links and block quotes updating you on the on-going CA ballot fraud initiative and it has not appeared.
shorter me: it’s on going.
practical me: a suggestion that FDL have a place to report sighting of the signature gatherers.
for more info see:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/3/175830/464
i’ve never watched lou dobbs (since i don’t have cable tv)… but now that i’ve seen a bit of him on democracy now!, i’m convinced he’s a dangerous demagogue. and an asshole.
Beat me to it, Elliott et al. :-)
From Publishers Weekly review of The Shock Doctrine-
The neo-liberal economic policies—privatization, free trade, slashed social spending—that the Chicago School and the economist Milton Friedman have foisted on the world are catastrophic in two senses, argues this vigorous polemic. Because their results are disastrous—depressions, mass poverty, private corporations looting public wealth, by the author’s accounting—their means must be cataclysmic, dependent on political upheavals and natural disasters as coercive pretexts for free-market reforms the public would normally reject. Journalist Klein (No Logo) chronicles decades of such disasters, including the Chicago School makeovers launched by South American coups; the corrupt sale of Russia’s state economy to oligarchs following the collapse of the Soviet Union; the privatization of New Orleans’s public schools after Katrina; and the seizure of wrecked fishing villages by resort developers after the Asian tsunami…
hah! if there was, we’d have gone in there with something a lot heavier than wolfowitz’ boots! god, i can’t even write his name without severe revulsion rising up.
where’s suzanne when you need to know where the 55 gal. drums of brain bleach are at the new site?
I’ve had the feeling for a while that the citizenry is getting progressively farther from realities of hard physical work, survival needs, horrors of actual participation in war. Most of us only experience these things vicariously. As a result, much of the population doesn’t know the difference between a war and a football game and real courage from mouthing John Wayne phrases. It was the only way I could explain how a large number of people thought Bush was actually the heroic protector and Kerry was somehow less so.
I think it was all used up on Sunday when Siun posted a video of the cootie-ated comblicking Wolfie
The article on the Malawi farmers is touching, especially the last part:
“Ladies and gentlemen, should we start with the elderly or the orphans?” asked Samuel Dama, a representative of the Chembe clan.
Men led the assembly, but women sitting on the ground at their feet called out almost all the names of the neediest, gesturing to families rearing children orphaned by AIDS or caring for toothless elders.
There were more poor families than there were coupons, so grumbling began among those who knew they would have to watch over the coming year as their neighbors’ fertilized corn fields turned deep green.
Sensing the rising resentment, the village chief, Zaudeni Mapila, rose. Barefoot and dressed in dusty jeans and a royal blue jacket, he acted out a silly pantomime of husbands stuffing their pants with corn to sell on the sly for money to get drunk at the beer hall. The women howled with laughter. The tension fled.
He closed with a reminder he hoped would dampen any jealousy.
“I don’t want anyone to complain,” he said. “It’s not me who chose. It’s you.”
The women sang back to him in a chorus of acknowledgment, then dispersed to their homes and fields.
I wish there was some way to give these people 100 bags of fertilizer, kind of like Heifer Foundation.
Quick tech help please. Do you hit the quote icon before the pasted quote or after? Just screwed up – got the spinning wheel forever and no post.
I’ll try again here. If it works please ignore Q.
I should point out, I have a degree in economics. The late Murray Rothbard aptly described the late Milton Friedman as a technical adviser to the state. He’s far from free, tho, he talked the talk. His son, David, is free, as in anarchist.
i’m glad that Jeffrey Sachs is supporting Malawi’s fertilizer program. but i don’t trust him – he’s had too important a role in the destructive shock therapy of other countries (see russia).
even though i know i shouldn’t, i almost always click on darkblack, but did not click on siun’s video for fear of just that.
I hit the quote button first, then insert cursor between the two blockquotes and then paste the text. I hope that helps
Wow, I really miss preview. Me: I wish there was some way to give these people 100 bags of fertilizer, like the Heifer Foundation. Here is the correct quote:
You got that right about Sachs. Once when he was on Leonard Lopate show, I got in a Q about didn’t he feel a little bit sheepish about how Russia turned out. His A, you won’t be surprised to hear, was that the idea was right, but the execution stank, so it wasn’t his fault.
Thanks, should have realized about the insertion.
i’ll try to explain simply:
1. highlight what you want to quote. hit edit and copy.
2. go to the comment reply box
3. hit the quote symbol
4. insert the cursor between the > < of the blockquotes that appear<br />
5. hit paste
6. put whatever else you want in the comments box
7. submit
trust me, i learned this the hard way the other night. luck of the gods to ye.
Reasonably good op-ed in NYT about cholera in Iraq. The first part gives you the info. The second part just laspses into empty hortatory (is that redundant?) about what U.S. should do about it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12…..ntributors
Btw, chemical fertilizer is a major non-point source pollutant. That and poisoner of crop land.
Subsidies in agriculture for poor farmers? It goes against the liberating forces of the Free Market! I guess then that all the subsidies US farmers receive mean that they unrepentant socialists. So the next time you run into an American farmer ask him or her if the are Anti-American.
The blockquote is quite simple to add. Just highlight the bit you want to quote and then click the icon on the toolbar.
grrrr! re my comment at 64.
there’s a ”
” that just inserted itself. please ignore it.
5. should have started on the next line.
i wasn’t missing edit til now, but count me as wanting edit back.
There are two groups that have been pushing this Amendment. The first one, associated with Giuliani and Swift-Boat backers, failed to get enough signatures after the Courage Campaign, the California Democratic Party and others blew that initiative apart by revealing who were the money people behind it.
A second group, backed by Darrell Issa then started a second initiative effort in October, but again failed to reach the signature goal after illegal signature collecting methods were revealed thanks in part to FDL’s own OldCoastie!
But the original group had filed a renewed effort to obtain signatures in early November. After the failure of the second group…they have initiated another campaign. They have a deadline to obtain signatures for that sometime in February. Interestingly, there are also three “counter” initiatives that have been produced that would cancel out the one pushed surrepticiously by the Republicans. These will be on the same ballot if they gain enough signatures. So I’d suggest that you support these alternatives but beware the Republican one.
These include one initiative that would require the legislature to allocate California’s electoral votes completely to the winner of the popular vote nationally, with the proviso that the Amendment would only take hold when a other states with votes attaining 50.1% of the total electoral votes did the same. This would essentially elect the President on the basis of the popular vote nationwide.
Another initiative allows the California initiative to prevail if it passes, but only with the proviso that 2/3rds of the States do likewise.
These alternatives essentially would make the Republican initiative ineffective for several more election cycles, if not permanently. However, the initiative with the most votes will win.
meanwhile back at the ranch….
ALERT OF THE WEEK:
USDA PROPOSES RULE UNDERMINING ORGANICS AND SMALL FARMS
The USDA is accepting public comments until December 3 on a new proposed rule that would force small farms growing green leafy vegetables, such as spinach and lettuce, to put into place industrial-style sterilization measures that reduce biodiversity and soil fertility. The proposal follows in the wake of the USDA’s recent controversial crackdown on raw almonds, continued interference with raw milk production, and bans on the sale of locally produced organic meat directly to consumers. The proposed rules basically cover up the fact that e-coli 0157H contamination in lettuce and spinach crops comes from feedlot or industrial livestock-contaminated irrigation waters or contamination in large processing plants. The rule limits hedgerows, and other non-crop vegetation commonly found on and around small organic and sustainable farms. In addition, although every organic farmer knows that healthy soil is literally alive with multiple types of healthy bacteria, the rules also discourage the development of beneficial microbial life in the soil. Send a message to the USDA today:
Learn more and take action: http://www.organicconsumers.or…..e_8679.cfm
Don’t forget the Manhattan Project!
selise -
Perfect analysis on both counts…plus a lot of other descriptors the mods would ban me for including (tho’ zenophobe is probably approved). Now ya know what you’re not missing. *g*
perhaps i shouldn’t be surprised, but i am. that’s exactly why i don’t trust him. smart people with good intentions screw up all the time… but then there is a responsibility to acknowledge and learn from past mistakes (instead of living in denial). reminds me of the folks who still seem to think our war against iraq was a good idea horribly executed.
this is probably why stiglitz appeals to me. not only does he explain things in ways that make sense to the non-economist (although i am not in a position to judge his analysis except with how it compares to what i can see around me). stiglitz was an insider (clinton’s council of economic advisors, world bank chief economists) but he seems to have taken those opportunities to learn about the real world effect of policies – and he now advocates on behalf of better policies.
I sent in a letter yesterday. That was the deadline for public comments. The small organic farms I get my produce from wouldn’t survive under such measures.
Capitalism, free markets or whatever you want to call them have never been efficient, but with advancing technology they become downright lethal. We continue to produce internal combustion engines and other products long after we know they are dangerous to our health, just as we retain a petroleum based economy because we need the jobs it provides. Congress after much weighing of the issues produces a mileage average of 35 MPG by 2020. How impressive is that! Our need for jobs produces a resistance to change in an environment that changes rapidly.
The question remains, where, if any place, we go from here.
Thanks everyone for the tech help. I may often seem unappreciative of replies. Am not, but am a committed link follower/wonderer and often don’t return until folks have moved on.
give it a shot sunny and see if you can do it. we’re rooting for you!
Greenwarrior
It not only puts small organic farmers out of business, it does nothing to solve the problem. Even though the deadine for public comment has passed
it is not too late to contact members of Congress and if you live in California (where we get nothing from the farm bill except trouble) contact Boxer and Feinstein.
OT – sdpolitico has a good explanation over at Calitics on what’s going on with the CA Electoral College initiative.
he/she straightens out some of the puzzles.
Stiglitz story: Sometime when he was in the Clinton Administration (1993-1997), he came to NYC to give a talk about the “new” relationship between unemployment & inflation that they had discovered & spent about 40 mintues desribing something that should have taken him 5 minutes (the audience was business economists). I got the first Q: This relationship has been posited forever, and refined over & over again. What makes you think yours is now accurate? His A: Because we’re smarter.
Now why did I find that offputting?
I think Stiglitz has matured admirably since then, and I like the way he speaks out on many important topics. But I’ll always have a little sour taste in my brain from that early experience.
I believe the NY Times had an article about Malawi this weekend. And it just burned me the advice they had given. They want to do to other countries what England tried to do with us. Have them grow things to sell abroad.. and then use that money to buy food from abroad!
That’s what the Boston Tea Party was about, wasn’t it?
So, instead of being a “colony,” like they were told to do, they “declared their economic independence.” And now they’re growing so much food – for themselves – that they’re exporting it too.
How could the neo-CON economists forget the Boston Tea Party?
or… because Big Oil likes the money and it has the power to get what it wants with Bush and Cheney in the White House.
Our (their) need for profits (not jobs) is the source of this. And, these days many of the viable jobs are outsourced. I assume everyone here has seen the recent NYT and related pieces on the imported crucifixes from china and manhole covers from India in the NYT and the awful working conditions that are at play (people in iron forgeris in India working bare footed for example). Both make no sense – either for the Catholic Church (why don’t they set up factories in Africa or South America where they have major worshippers) or for cities like NYC or LA where tax payers money is going to India profiteers rather than to American metal workers.
right you are. good suggestion.
How about we invent: neoconomists?
Alas, Friedman is basically the only Economist taught in the main Econ class at my place of employ – despite periodic moves to counter.
I’m all for that!!!
What institution is that? Always good to know where the other strongholds are.
Or it could be neoCONomists.
Too bad there’s no edit function. But oh well…
I think it should be written: NeoCONomists. Just to make it clearer.
They were invited to a different party.
Problem with the term neoconomists is that these days neo-con really is the reference to those (Dems & Rethugs) who hold a particular position re the Mid-East (hawks on war) and formulated with respect to a larger issue involving Isr*eli engagement here. The Friedman economists are really about exploitation and profit and control of the markets in those terms (even as they espouse “free” markets.
Clearly – we’re thinking alike here. The term stands.
NeoCONomists = the ones who forget the Boston Tea Party and repeat that on another country.
will need eCAHNomics or other knowledgeable person to correct me… but aren’t “free” markets a construct that we design through government? seems like we could have more efficient markets with better designs (for example – capturing externalities like greenhouse gas pollution via a carbon tax). maybe i’m just pulling a jeffery sachs here (idea good, execution bad)… but we have such fucked up markets, i have trouble condemning them absolutely.
bingo! thanks.
Jim,
Did you happen to see the latest Iowa State Poll? It lists Clinton with 30.8%, Edwards at 24.4 and Obama at 20.2. It also shows Edwards with a strong 22.7% of second choice likely Caucaus goers. Obama is at 20.1% among second choice followed by Clinton at 13.8% of the second choice candidate. As you know this can be important category in the Caucausing.
There’s nothing free about the markets in this country. 1/3 of the inputs go into hedge funds who depend on the Federal Reserve for their survival.
yay sunny. you go girl! (are you a girl?)
What about Dodd?
Sonny is a girl in Lemony Snicket. Sunny is a disposition.
Dodd is actually my preferred second choice behind Edwards. Unfortunately, in the polls he is barely registering on the radar. He had a .6%. Keep in mind that in 2004, Kerry who ended up winning Iowa was low in the polls going into the Caucauses as well.
Maybe somebody already replied to you about the fertilizer. But in report in the Times, they said that the government was subsidizing the fertilizer. Something the neoCONomists said was a “no-no.” Well, that was the key!!! Once farmers could afford fertilizer (and for all I know, maybe they gave it away first), then the crops grew! And they had bumper crops!
It was the subsidized fertilizer that was the “heresy” that worked!
thats a great stiglitz story.
i’ve heard him speak (public lectures i’ve download to itunes – currently at 25 items in his playlist), and he is definitely not an organized speaker.
but what you describe – his earlier “know-it-all” attitude compared to his (partially) humbler approach (i’ve heard him say that the protesters in seattle 1999 were right) and commitment to empiricism seems just the opposite of sachs’ continued commitment to ideology.
I am not an economic history expert, but here’s my understanding. Free markets stems from Adam Smith’s concept of the invisible hand, which is competition. In order to have economically efficient competition, you must have atomistic businesses producing interchangeable products. I think I learned that in Econ 101.
Now, you’ll immediately see that almost no real world markets resemble that theoretical construct. Those that do not suffer from what economists call market imperfections.
Responsible economists will recognize this state of affairs, analyse what the market imperfection is, and prescribe a policy that intends to overcome the imperfection in an economically efficient way. Regulation stems from that way of thinking about the world, but has a problem in that the regulated industry most often “captures” the regulators. The best example of efficient intervention is the creation of a market for pollution rights in the Clean Air Act.
Freidmaniacs pay no attention to the real world because their economics is a belief system, not a pragmatic one. So put into practice in an economic world that is dominated by powerful oligopolistic corporations, you end up with an inefficient system, that has enhanced the power of the entity that is responsible for the problem in the first instance.
Two items on Religion and Broadcasting
1) Right-Wing Radio Host is suing an Islamic group that used his anti-Islamic direct quotes in a mail-campaign to his commercial sponsors Savage’s program apparently has lost more than $1 million in sponsorship as a result of the campaign. Savage is now contending that the use of extensive quotations to criticize him is an infringement of his intellectual property.
“They can’t use my own words against me! It’s simply outrageous! It would be like quoting “Mein Kampf” to humiliate Hitler!” said wingnut Savage.
2) Senator Charles Grassley’s investigation of corruption amongst the super-wealthy teleevangelists has raised concerns amongst those that he hasn’t called to appear before his hearing. The National Association of Religious Broadcasters have expressed concerns that Grassley’s probe might expand into their domain, and are firing back early.
Not that the vast empires of religious broadcasters have much to fear…except that evangelical fundraising on non-commercial religious radio and TV stations was precisely how these wealthy superevangelists got started…and used the money to expand their megachurches, and line their own pockets.
Religious broadcasters have found that scooping up the licenses in the non-commercial sectrum quite lucrative. These were cheap start-ups and lacked frequency competition from commercial networks and business interests (they only had to push out small community based broadcasters and colleges). And they soon discovered that they could constantly beg for money…even though the FCC had stated quite unequivocally that on-air solicitation of money could ONLY be for station purposes and not be used for other interests of the licensee. The FCC, while nailing legitimate educational broadcasters for “commercialism” ignored these radio and teleevangelists. And these began to make millions, purchasing additional stations, and building thousands of small “translators” to expand their coverage.
These have easily shut out small scale low-power community broadcasters across the country, reducing community diversity and local news and public affairs programming.
The religious broadcasters even “rent out” blocs of programming to the likes of Benny Hinn, who themselves fundraise for their Churches. Stations with large fundraising potential are then sold for millions of dollars, often without FCC scrutiny, to other religious broadcasters seeking a cash cow. Increasingly the non-commercial radio spectrum is being filled with these commercialized “all-brimstone, all-day” stations sharing canned taped programs of supernaturalist snake-oil salesmen and pseudoscientific marketers of Cretinist and Rapture Prophecy Books. And it’s not unheard of them to take political stands without offering any counterpoint to their screeds.
So perhaps they have a very real reason to be afraid of an expansion of Grassley’s probe…because they might lose their cash cows.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..xPdONH2ocA
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..33b2tH2ocA
this is a test.
My favorite way to get rid of religous channels on cable TV is to lobby for consumer choice & against bundled packages. The religious nuts are fighting that tooth ‘n nail.
thanks so much. what a treat to have a knowledgeable tutor to explain things. *g*
Seems to me economics follows “The Law of Unintended Consequences.”
You’re welcome. At least here there are a couple of people who are interested, which is a couple more than I found on Wall St. /bitter
Well done, TheraP!
Gee, I thought economics invented the law of the unintended consequences, until I started reading foreign policy.
what does this part mean?
And then the Malawi government could tax the individuals that generated profits from their crops, and subsidize even more fertilizer sales to broaden the program…while feeding their people! Eventually they might even be able to pay for schools and hospitals and other services. What a concept!
See, one followed the other. Or perhaps for economics to really work, it took those “colonies.” Ergo, other countries that somehow never stood up for themselves. But when they did…. “unintended consequences.”
Like our colonies. Becoming free. Till the neoCons took over. And now we have to free ourselves once more. If we ever can. Due to such huge debts they’ve saddled us with!
Amen!
No no no no no!
People, you forget that government “is never the answer“. Subsidizing fertilizer so people can eat is one step down that slippery slope to communism!
Maybe the government giving people the means to feed themselves seems good, but trust us, it’s bad bad bad!
That’s really odd. It varies quite a bit from the poll just a few days before that suggested Obama (28%) just ahead of Clinton (27%) and Edwards way below both. How odd. Quite a swing from the prior poll…must be some odd methodological issues with these polls.
If people start to expect food, what’s next, healthcare?!?!
How right you are. They probably even have universal (communist) healthcare over there right now! Where babies get their commie shots for free!
Oh, dear god….
The atomistic part means that no individual business is big enough to influence the market price or quantity. (On the demand side, comsumers ARE individuals. Businesses as customers can present the same problems as businesses as producers.)
The interchangeable products part means that no product is different enough to dominate the market. Raw foods used to fall into that category, but you see more & more labeling & marketing to create brands. Think Purdue may have been an originator here. In any even, brand differentiation creates barriers to efficient competition.
I think the “fertilizer” side of this story deserves more attention.
So far, commenters have focused mostly on the economic issues, but I’m sure some of you have at least heard of, if not read, The Omnivore’s Dilemma by Michael Pollan. One of Pollan’s strong arguments is that a fertilizer-based agriculture can bring with it substantial economic, agricultural, and ecological harm. Land in Malawi may certainly need some fertilizer, but chemicals are not a cure-all; the effects of fertilizing depend greatly on exactly how it’s done.
Of course, it doesn’t sound like Malawi’s farmers are engaged in the massive, machine-driven agriculture Pollan condemns, but the repeated mention of “corn” suggests that they may be engaged in something of a monoculture. Given that places like Malawi are poor in cash but rich in labor and “local knowledge,” they may be ideally suited to the “management-intensive agriculture” that Pollan describes. What they may need is less fertilizer (not none, but less) and more information and instruction in eco-friendly, small-scale farming techniques — what many of its practitioners call “grass farming.” Pollen argues that these techniques can be at least as efficient as large-scale fertilizer–intensive methods.
A commitment to these sustainable farming practices in the early stages of a country’s movement toward agricultural self-sufficiency could pay off big dividends down the road, while an early reliance on fertilizer could start a cycle that ends in reliance on an international agri-chemical industry that is no more benign than the financial institutions who are currently trying their best to betray the interests of the local populations.
Of course, Malawi should decide what’s best for Malawi. Still, they should have as many options as possible before making those decisions, and more information about management-intensive agriculture might help them make wise choices.
I can see where we’re headed folks. This is communist talk, right here in this blog! And they’re watching us…. and …. do I hear a knock?
Much of sub-Saharan Africa has volcanic soils that not only lack sources of nitrogen, but are easily leached of nitrogen in the heavy annual rains. Without fertilizer you just can’t produce enough food to give an African country food security.
Not only does cash-cropping undermine food security, it puts the economy at the mercy of such rackets as the international tea, sisal, and coffee traders.
Oh, I forgot the beginning of the story, which is the reason why the textbook model came into being. Economics is the study of the allocation of scarce resources, meaning you can’t have everything you want. Thus we want to find an economic system that is the most efficient, so we can get the highest standard of living out of existing resources. That’s what the textbook model does, but it relies on those assumptions that are rarely met in the real world. So overcoming the market imperfections the most efficient way is important.
Oh jeebus, I forgot about this…time to turn off the television, folks, unless you are watching a movie channel or HGTV.
McChimpie has a pissy presser this morning. They have him all propped up to look super-dee-duper-dee presidential.
He looks sick, too. Ghastly yellow and tired. Good thing he’s on mute.
egregious is up with a new post!
Does that mean instead of Firedoglake being a fem-blog it will now be known as a commie-fem-blog! Oh the shame! I feel my testicles and patriotism shrinking as I type…
Cable is largely exempt from the licensing vicissitudes of the FCC…so that works. I seriously doubt that very many of these “Family Channels” have more than a smattering of the talkathon preachers on Cable unless they are buying their time. That’s why the non-commercial spectrum is so sought after by these religious types.
Cable and TV is much more effective for demonstrating the remarkable healing power of the grand poohbahs “magic touch”, however. Benny earns a bundle from each on-air healing he “performs” in the name of the LORD!
Simon Magus par excellence.
Chimpy live on CSPAN bitching about how lazy congerss is.
Off Topic – But Huge!
Likely the links won’t work. But it’s worth a trip over to Josh’s at tpm. Top post on main page at the moment. It’s a document leak and everybody can help!
The odd methodological issue is trying to decide who is a “likely voter” or in this case, a “likely caucuser.” In an ordinary election poll, figuring out who is a likely voter is hard enough, but caucuses require more personal investment and are affected by lots of other factors. You have to show up at a specific time, stay for a certain amount of time, etc.
It’s not that these polls aren’t important or accurate, but each carries its own limitations — as any responsible pollster will tell you.
chimp – “if congress passes an irresponsible spending bill, i will veto it”
–then says some crap about passing a bill before santa comes down the chimney. I guess cheney hasn’t told him that there is no santa.
This will be my second caucus. Thanks for the information. 2nd choice is certainly critical. Should be an interesting night.
Bamako is a fascinating African film about putting the World Bank and IMF on trial in a courtyard in the capital of Mali. It’s out in DVD. I highly recommend.
Isn’t there enough proof that capitalism does not work and when you introduce some control measures you need to decide who is to be the beneficiary of those measures?
Capitalism is inherently flawed because it moves wealth creation to the property own classes by extracting the value added of labor.
If labor is strong and demands the value added to be distributed to the workers (who created it) then the incentive for capital is lost. Capital plays for bigger stakes and wants these absurd ROIs which means crippling the system, crushing labor and so forth. If capitalism is not profitable, capitalists will resort to straight out thievery. How can you have wealth with out class and with out the poor to work for YOUR wealth?
When you have Hedge funds taxed as capital gains you can see the gloves are off for the wealthy. It’s all about getting as much as you can from the system and a better world is simply not part of the equation. Any social purpose for the corporation is subordinate to profits. Don’t let them tell you other wise. Fly the friendly skies eh?
Most all of the Polls have a statistical margin of error of +/-4.5%. So any given day, you could see a swing of 4 to 5% for any of the candidates. Which is why I dislike this MSM coverage of the horserace. In Iowa, the three front runners have been in a statistical tie for several months now.
More than a couple, but surely you at least suspect that. You sent me to the dictionary on atomistic. Cool word. Antonym: holistic.
I had lots of fun in B-school, but never mastered economics in a usable way. However, I did study economic history, which was a shocker. First time I ran into the sanitized, non-patriotic version of many events. Came out of it convinced it should be part of mandatory high school curriculum. Still believe we’d have better informed citizens if it were.
I miss preview too.
Correction at 139. Of course I meant unsanitized.
Jobs and profits are the same thing with the same need to maintain the status quo. Jobs, of course, don’t pay as well as profits but the principle is the same. Someone said markets exist to distribute scarce property or capital. There need be no scarcity except for the fact we are seriously deranged. If we didn’t throw away property and capital in places like Iraq, all of us could live nicely indeed. However the military industrial complex, like the petroleum complex and other complexes, exists to provide profits and jobs. Hegel said a classless society would exist indefinitely, there being no class conflict to bring it down. I suspect most of you do not believe a classless society is a human possibility. You might ask yourself why?