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Norman Podhoretz, first cheerleader of the let’s bomb Iran until the rubble bounces crowd, is not going to just take the NIE report lying down. Nope, Stormin’ Norman is going to lie from all manner of positions.
And like a good Neo-Con…no, make that the Alpha Neo-Con, there is no catastrophically wrong former position of his that he cannot twist into supporting his new, even more catastrophically held, position:
It is worth remembering that in 2002, one of the conclusions offered by the NIE, also with “high confidence,” was that “Iraq is continuing, and in some areas expanding its chemical, biological, nuclear, and missile programs contrary to UN resolutions.” And another conclusion, offered with high confidence too, was that “Iraq could make a nuclear weapon in months to a year once it acquires sufficient weapons-grade fissile material.”
Damn, that Medal of Freedom Bush gave him sure must be shiny.
But good ol’ Norm goes right from that monstrosity demonstrating nothing so much as his own intellectual criminality to this:
I entertain an even darker suspicion.
OF….COURSE…YOU…DO… I’m going to guess it doesn’t have to do with the paternity of J-Pod?
It is that the intelligence community, which has for some years now been leaking material calculated to undermine George W. Bush, is doing it again. This time the purpose is to head off the possibility that the President may order air strikes on the Iranian nuclear installations. As the intelligence community must know, if he were to do so, it would be as a last resort, only after it had become undeniable that neither negotiations nor sanctions could prevent Iran from getting the bomb, and only after being convinced that it was very close to succeeding. How better, then, to stop Bush in his tracks than by telling him and the world that such pressures have already been effective and that keeping them up could well bring about “a halt to Iran’s entire nuclear weapons program”—especially if the negotiations and sanctions were combined with a goodly dose of appeasement or, in the NIE’s own euphemistic formulation, “with opportunities for Iran to achieve its security, prestige, and goals for regional influence in other ways.”
It’s really too bad that Norm did not follow his ideal calling and become the Jewish guy that writes Jack Chick comics
Related posts:
- Second Iranian Nuclear Facility Discovered; Obama, Brown, Sarkozy Pledge Sanctions Unless IAEA is Allowed to Investigate
- Negotiation Works? Iran Nears Agreement on Nuclear Deal
- More Insane Rantings from the Crazy Man in the Attic
- How Can We Negotiate in Good Faith with the Iranians When We Play Dumb About Israel’s Nukes?
- Thomas Fingar on the Politics of NIE/NIAs





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Zed?
g’morning, Attaturk.
Good morning, Attaturk.
Let’s see, shorter Pod: The 2002 Iraq NIE said Iraq had WMD, so we can’t trust NIEs. Therefore, we can’t trust the 2007 Iran NIE and would be justified in reducing Iran to rubble anyway.
By this logic we could justify reducing almost any country to rubble.
Mornin’ all!
To quote Fitz “Madness, madness, madness!”.
I don’t know about Iran, but my head is about to explode from teh lajik.
Seems we’re running a little surplus on stupid nowadays. What can you do with it? Can’t throw it away, it comes right back.
Neo-con, it’s the only garbage that recycles itself.
Speaking of the logic, could it be our Preznit is actually smarter than us?
Speaking of the logic, could it be our Preznit is actually smarter than us?
spew.. that headline cracked me up, mack. on that note, i’m outta here. g’nite all
Good morning, pups. It’s Bobo and Bob Herbert in the NYT today. Bobo is making up words in China. He says that a meritocratic “corpocracy” is on the rise in China. Mr. Herbert says the United States is flushing whole generations worth of cash into the bottomless pit of a failed and endless war.
http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/
The coffee, tea and hot chocolate are ready, and to celebrate the fact that BellSouth fixed whatever blew up and took away our internet access last night I’ve got waffles with gingered peach topping. Have a good day.
That won’t explain it. At the end of the article, the reporter states,
Shrimpie may not qualify as an adult, but he ain’t young.
So let me get this straight, the intelligence community railroaded poor Bushyboy into invading Iraq with their faulty intelligence.
Now, the intelligence communtiy is tying poor Bushyboys hands in regards to Iran with their faulty intelligence…
At least we know conclusively that all this mess is the intelligence community’s fault. No blood on those neocon hands, is there!
Thanks Attaturk. Nice post.
Bilbo@3, well said.
Hour ago NPR hit facts on NIE on its news. Now, one hour later, they are citing it as evidence Bush’s get tough policy worked. A victory for Bush – undoubtedly to be
discussedlauded at his presser today.I’m off to dig through bookmarks re: Venezuela going into hock to help neighbors shed IMF debt. Haven’t heard much about that lately.
You folks have to remember, there are some smart chimpanzees and some poo-throwing chimpanzees.
But Bush is a poo-eating Chimpanzee.
Sorry to be OT, but I am still having trouble STAYING logged in. How I even got logged in now is a mystery to me — but then I have been having trouble understanding how these ‘toobz’ things work ever since the Howard Dean blog so really this is nothing new.
Siun has been helping me and last night I posted my first comment. Just now I ‘logged in’, scrolled down and clicked ‘read more’ and – oops- I am logged out. Go back, repeat, click comments – and again I am logged out. How I got this far this time, is a mystery to me. But here I am until the next time.
The solution is keep trying until it works, even if one has absolutely no clue how one technically gets ‘in’ to FDL.
Other than that, same ole with the guys that are spinning like my grandson’s spinning top. I still believe that the only position for republicans these days is push all the problems, Iraq, economy etc., until the next dem administration and blame it all on us, with the media cheering them on every day. Please, someone, tell me it won’t work this time around. Bush will be down in Portugal, or whereever he bought land that doesn’t have an extradition treaty, and the republicans will have Huckabee for its new face of ‘reason.’ Harummph.
And great new look for FDL. Lots of new shiney wheels and gears and stuff. I will figure it out — eventually. I figured out DailyKos eventually when it went to Scoop — it only took me 2-3 weeks to get the hang of it. :-)
Good Morning, Firepups!
It’s cold here in central Jersey this morning, but at least we’re not totally nuts like the UberCon, Norman P.
I’ve made an extra big pot of coffee, and I’m pulling the herb biscuits out of the oven. Help yourselves!
Work for peace, every day.
Greg Palast discusses the case of Chavez’s Ecuador bailout at length in his book “Armed Madhouse”. See pp 166+. On p. 174, he writes,
Spot on!
Mornin’, gang. All I want for Christmas is the return of “preview”. ;-(
Siun and Jamie are hard at work on this issue.
I don’t think Siun will mind if I share her most recent email on the topic.
Welcome Grandma!
I am so afraid that it will work. This will turn into the Dems war that the Dems lost. Bush, instead of answering for his crimes will retire to his grand new ranch in Paraguay.
Coincidentally, his ranch is on top of the world largest freshwater aquifer. Probably a good spot to be once the Dems cause global warming/global droughts. BushCo should be sittin pretty.
waccamaw – looks like the web guru got the … thing fixed …
Who wants to bet Busharraf’s “intelligence community” is really nothing but a bunch of P.O.Boxes at a Texas strip mall?
Mornin’
Oh, Jiminy Cricket!! If this wasn’t so sad, it’d be hilaraious. If I was more adept at working this thing I’d put the link here, but yesterday I said exactly what Podhoretz is saying about the CIA trying to undermine Bush. Of course, I was goofing. Talk about alpha neo-cons. And the alpha is for asshole. I see that the video of Dana “Dumb as Dogshit” Perini is still up. That’s OK. It’s worth leaving up for another day.
Preview is still not working for me as of this morning. It works for some folks, but not others.
GJ,
This happened to me at work yesterday, but eventially my login status ’stuck’
It depends on which “intelligence community” you mean. If you mean the group that insisted Iraq was about to drop a nuke on the US, you’re pretty close.
However, the group that dropped this most recent shitpile in Bushco’s lap may have had better intentions in mind.
They might have been trying to STOP a war.
Good Morning…
Found it. At comment 119 of the “Waxman Requesting Documents” thread yesterday I said:
See, the CIA has all people that hate this administration so it’s their fault. This should never have become public, doncha know. Damn leakers should all go to jail.
And Podhoretz is serious, ain’t he?
It would be a shock if that was the case, but maybe this time around they want to unveil their lies and deceits about Iran to test the Congress and the American public. Of course, years ago many of both were duped anyways. *rolling eyes*
AHA!!! If “Preview” had been waiting for ads to load then those of us who are using ad blockers may never be able to use it. Which would suck. Any chance of getting “edit” back? That’s important too…
as for me…..can we have back the ability to quote a reply directly? as a result of not having it, people are often not going thru the laborious process of manually doing it. as a result, there is often a reference only to a name and number. very cumbersome for following smoothly what’s going on.
consider it on my christmas wish list. may it rise to be on the techs to do list.
thanks
Oh crap.
The American people and the congress have done so well when tested by this criminal regime in the past…
I tried to test this last night, Marion. I turned off my pop-up blocking and enabled javascript for all FDL advertisers, even turned off my firewall, all to no avail. Now I may have forgotten about something, but I tried to be pretty methodical about it.
I miss ‘edit’ more than ‘preview’
I guess that says something…
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National Intelligence estimate pdf …PDF warning
you’re right that does say something ;)
GrandmaJ has laid out what the narrative will be. You fought us and prevented us from wiping out the evil creeps and now it’s your problem and beat on the dems for not solving it presto subito.
The dems deserve whatever they get because they have been enablers. Let’s see if they have what it takes when they have all the marbles as the Rs did in the last 8 years.
With some radical ideas they may be able to stop the bleeding, but it will be a world that the Rs and corporations won’t be happy with I suspect. Where have all the profits gone, long time passing. They gone to the children as well they should.
Now that I’ve gotten more confident about quoting and italics and such, so do I. It’s when you look at something you’ve quickly written and see the error just AFTER you hit “submit comment.” I do so hate to look like a moron!!!
Good morning pups!
Now it’s time to log off here, and try to log on at work, which I couldn’t do yesterday. It was never a problem with the “old FDL,” but maybe I’m still just stubbing my toes on the furniture they’ve moved around when they remodeled.
We’ll see you at work!
my shins a bit black and blue but getting better now… :)
Dear hobbit @ 19 -
As a non-geek, I understand maybe one percent of that but the update is much appreciated.
twolf -
Running Mac & Safari and it still doesn’t seem to like that combo.
Elliott -
Looks like an interesting C-Span morning.
Marion -
As a confirmed anal-retentative, I second the motion on feeling like a moron when I’ve spent an inordinate amount of time *trying* not to appear even more stoopid than I actually am. *g*
Spell check has never worked for me and preview is the point in time I’m most likely to catch the worst of the lot tho’ edit did save a few duh’s as well.
Greg Palast discusses the case of Chavez’s Ecuador bailout at length in his book “Armed Madhouse”. See pp 166+. On p. 174, he writes,
Then, when hope seemed lost, in August 2005, a dark stranger rode into Ecuador, wrote a check for $200 million to by Ecuador’s bonds and restore the nation’s credit.
——–
Thank you very much Bilbo. Wish we had a central/south american expert in house. I’m woefully uninformed/misinformed and suspect I’m not alone. Seems it’s always a loaded subject a la I/P issues.
The David Brooks piece on China is very interesting and worth the read. He ends up by characterizing the middle kingdom as a country based on meritocratic paternalism. Of course, this is the way China has always been, save possibly for the Mao interregnum. It’s also striking how much the educational system sounds like that of Japan.
Try http://www.lanr.blogspot.com/
It’s not as solid as Juan Cole on the Middle East, but does provide a more balanced view than you’ll ever see in U.S. media.
waccamaw – i am Mac10.4.11/Safari3.0.4 and had that issue up until yesterday evening – it seems to be cleared up for me now. What version of safari are you using? Did you try clearing Safari’s cache?
… test …
It’s gonna take more than a preview and edit feature to keep me from looking like a moron!
Sunny, don’t forget Shock Doctrine (Naomi Klein) too. She has a lot to say about goings on in South America, much of it new to me.
Speaking of Juan Cole, he suggests this morning that the U.S. certainty about Iran’s non-nuke program came from Ali Reza Asghari, an high placed Iranian mole who knew all & defected with documents last winter.
http://www.juancole.com/2007/1…..clear.html
Thanks for the link on Latin America. I try to read the Mexican and Brazilian papers every then and now, but my language skills are primitive.
Well, this morning I was able to login from work. Maybe you can’t be logged in on 2 computers at the same time?
here’a a link to
Firedoglake’s Book Salon on The Shock Doctrine, a discussion with Naomi Klein
I have been logged in on both my desktop and laptop a number of times.
Morons unite! LOL
Morons untie!
Are you sure you didn’t mean “Morons Untie?” There can’t be anything wrong with it — the spellchecker didn’t catch it…!!!
Rats. Twolf beat me to it…
Untied!
Are you sure you didn’t mean “Morons Untie?” There can’t be anything wrong with it — the spellchecker didn’t catch it…!!!
He misspelled his misspelling.
Um, like a moron?
…or a moran?
But in all seriousness, how do they plan to sqare Bush/Cheney’s WWIII/nuclear holocaust talking points with the knowledge they have had this information for over a year.
If I didn’t know better I would say the neo-cons were trying to lie us into a war… …surely there must be some redress?
Twolf you ROCK!
That picture is the first thing that popped into my head, but I didn’t bother to look for it.
Thanks!
But in all seriousness, how do they plan to sqare Bush/Cheney’s WWIII/nuclear holocaust talking points with the knowledge they have had this information for over a year.
They plan on blaming the mighty Clenis of course.
Meanwhile, another U.S. created disaster gets worse: Somalia. BBC had a longer segment on it this morning on the radio, though the only item I see on BBC website is about the 75-year-old, liver-transplanted prez of its Ethiopian backed govt, who has been in Kenya, being rushed to the hospital in London.*
Y’all remember when the U.S. backed the Ethiopian invasion of Somalia a year ago. I even remember reading at the time that it was a C.I.A. mistake, that the ‘terrist’ who the U.S. was chasing was nowhere near Somalia at the time, being safely ensconced in Kenya. Y’all also remember that the Union of Islamic Courts had brought some semblance of peace & stability to the country for the first time after decades of civil strife. And were apparently not so nutty as the Taliban. But no, that wasn’t good, said we. The UIC are terrists, said we, and they must go. Now we are responsible for another million starving refugees. Proud yet?
The upside is that apparently there is a budding sense of nationalism for the first time ever, as an anti-Ethiopian invaders & occupiers movement. Previously Somalia had been a collection of tribes & warlords.
Or at least that’s what BBC is reporting.
* http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7126678.stm
My favorite typo: Untied States.
Creepy how appropriate some typos seem…
I guess that’s an upside. Some days I’m less sure, especially when I see where it has brought us.
Glenn Greenwald is of course all over this one…
Remember, Faux News got that info from sources in the WH who probably knew already it was a lie. Good thing Fox doesn’t mind being the chump.
The site has a ways to go in functionality, but it will get there.
On the other hand, this country is going to hell in a hand basket fast.
BTW
In the tech forum
Spellcheck still gives me a 404
(Page not found for non techies)
http://firedoglake.com/common/jacuba.html
new post
Yes…the people behind this must be those that also authored the great “Valerie Flame” conspiracy that attempted to embarass Bush into starting the Iraq War. You see, it really was the Democrats fault that we went to war in Iraq.
Here’s how they did it. First they planted all those Iraqi exile informants and Nigerien documents to the French and Italians. THAT couldn’t have been done by the RIGHT-WING simply because the rightwing never hang out with sub-Saharan Africans, the French and Eye-talians. And they wouldn’t even share the same bathroom with MUSLIMS (even those with Wide Stances)! So that can only mean that this was a Democratic conspiracy with CIA help.
Furthermore they used the liberal media! NY Times and Washington Post!
So Bush and Cheney were deceived! And then when ever cautious Cheney asked the CIA to double and triple check these assertions they sent over Joe Wilson at the behest of his wife, a lowly secretary and analyst who had never served as a covert agent, who had been pulled back years ago because she had been outed already as a secretary by Aldrich Ames. Here husband fooled everyone by telling TV audiences that he supported Bush’s increase in troops in Kuwait, and the sending of inspectors in.
Then when he investigated the phony Iraq documents, which actually show there was a deal in the works, he secretly got together with the US Ambassador to Niger, as well as a NATO General (and probable friend of that turncoat General Wesley Clark) sent to look into the story.
Wilson and these other two sent reports on saying that it was unlikely, if not impossible that any such deal for yellowcake had actually been made. But the conspirators in the CIA, State Department, and Wes Clark’s buddies in the DOD knew that Bush and Cheney would never get these reports…in fact, to guarantee this they packaged the reports in copies of the US Constitution, knowing that Bush would never examine them in such a disguise.
Furthermore the CIA failed to make Wilson sign a statement that he was bound to secrecy about his trip.
Thus Bush was forced to believe all the material about Iraq having nukes. He really had no choice. Especially after that British White Paper which unfortunately used that CIA planted evidence taken up by the co-conspiratorial French…who then passed it on to the Brits.
And then, when the State of the Union address was made the CIA told the UN about the supposedly faked documents, which were actually based on real documents but filled with phony names.When the UN showed the docs they were given were faked, Wilson could then spring the trap…and embarass the President.
It’s so obvious! It was a simple conspiracy between the CIA, State Department, Italians, French, British, Nigerienes, the MSM, the Iraqi exiles, plants in the State Department and Defense Department (don’t say Sen. Joe McCarthy didn’t warn us!).
twolf -
Mac 10.4.10 / Safari 2.0.4
I usually don’t touch *anything* without guru physically standing over my shoulder.
Under Safari there’s something titled “emply cache”. Is that the same as “clearing cache” and what *exactly* happens if I click on that?
Four hundred miles and a month away from the wise one and I don’t want to muck something up that will keep me off-line. Thanks for all your help!
Well, now the login is easier, no longer delivered to the wordpress dashboard, which was a bit jarring.
The preview issue seems to boil down to a poor coding by whomever developed the plugin. I would advise switching to something that is more browser compliant.
Thirdly, the automated checking for new comments and other background activity should cease as soon as the page is loaded in the browser. Any further updating of the page should be left to the end-user. The background activity is very intrusive, for example, when one is trying to type a comment. Hello! Nobody is really listening.
That Chick dude is veddy sceddy. He found found salvation with the help of a Canuck. I thought better of Canucks before I read that. I used to call them Canadians, e.g. Podheretz! He’s scary too! I’ll just put on my 3-D glasses and continue to enjoy the show.
I’m going to try to link to the new thread. Here.
waccamaw – emptying (clearing) the cache will remove files that have been stored on your computer by various websites you have visited.
from the Safari help section:
twolf -
Smooches! Sounds like something even I can’t screw up. Will give it a try.
The facsist “neocons” are war criminals! Throw the f*cking facsist assholes in jail starting with Cheney!!!!!