Comments on: Who’s The Bigger Dictator, Bush or Chavez? http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/03/whos-the-bigger-dictator-bush-or-chavez/ Firedoglake weblog Thu, 16 Feb 2012 06:53:03 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: PetePierce http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/03/whos-the-bigger-dictator-bush-or-chavez/#comment-1131787 PetePierce Tue, 04 Dec 2007 05:33:58 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/03/whos-the-bigger-dictator-bush-or-chavez/#comment-1131787 <blockquote><p>What is it about Latin America that freaks people out?<br /> Other day I’m at work talking about Chavez and several of my colleagues were almost frothing at the mouth about how “we gotta do something” about him. I have witnessed this with allegedly progressive news people, Keith O comes to mind.<br /> Same with Haiti and, to a lesser extent, Nicaragua since Daniel Ortega regained the presidency.<br /> Yet, these are the same people that believe what we’re doing in Iraq is the crime of the century.<br /> Go figure.</p> </blockquote> <p>RickinSF:</p> <p>I’m figuring this. We absolutely are doing something about Chavez. We’re making him damn rich. </p> <p>The entire US and this administration, contrary to their many lying sound bites (it’s difficult each day to keep up with them all)–Rove’s assertions where he’s caught lying today, or Bush, Cheney, and Rice’s and the puppet mouthpieces Snow and Perino as well as a cast of scores of Republican Congress people on the Iran Nuclear N.I.E.that they lied about for over a year have conducted an energy policy that fully has supported maximum fuel consumption.</p> <p>We are the largest fuel customer of Hugo Chavez’s Petróleos de Venezuela, the politicized national oil company in Venzuela, and we support and enrich his economy daily.</p> <p><em>According to a new Rice University study, 77 percent of the world’s 1.148 trillion barrels of proven reserves is in the hands of the national companies; 14 of the top 20 oil-producing companies are state-controlled.</em></p> <p>Chávez recently decreed that Venezuela would take control of fields of heavy oil in the Orinoco Belt, a region southeast of Caracas with so much potential that some experts say it could give the country more reserves than Saudi Arabia.</p>

What is it about Latin America that freaks people out?
Other day I’m at work talking about Chavez and several of my colleagues were almost frothing at the mouth about how “we gotta do something” about him. I have witnessed this with allegedly progressive news people, Keith O comes to mind.
Same with Haiti and, to a lesser extent, Nicaragua since Daniel Ortega regained the presidency.
Yet, these are the same people that believe what we’re doing in Iraq is the crime of the century.
Go figure.

RickinSF:

I’m figuring this. We absolutely are doing something about Chavez. We’re making him damn rich.

The entire US and this administration, contrary to their many lying sound bites (it’s difficult each day to keep up with them all)–Rove’s assertions where he’s caught lying today, or Bush, Cheney, and Rice’s and the puppet mouthpieces Snow and Perino as well as a cast of scores of Republican Congress people on the Iran Nuclear N.I.E.that they lied about for over a year have conducted an energy policy that fully has supported maximum fuel consumption.

We are the largest fuel customer of Hugo Chavez’s Petróleos de Venezuela, the politicized national oil company in Venzuela, and we support and enrich his economy daily.

According to a new Rice University study, 77 percent of the world’s 1.148 trillion barrels of proven reserves is in the hands of the national companies; 14 of the top 20 oil-producing companies are state-controlled.

Chávez recently decreed that Venezuela would take control of fields of heavy oil in the Orinoco Belt, a region southeast of Caracas with so much potential that some experts say it could give the country more reserves than Saudi Arabia.

]]> By: MarkH http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/03/whos-the-bigger-dictator-bush-or-chavez/#comment-1131526 MarkH Tue, 04 Dec 2007 03:22:05 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/03/whos-the-bigger-dictator-bush-or-chavez/#comment-1131526 <blockquote><p>Well, you can if you’re putting your emails through the RNC servers. See? Nothing gets recorded that way and the hard drives can be encased in cement and sunk to the bottom of the ocean. This is how all republic presidents do business. It’s very Mob-like.</p> </blockquote> <p>I hear Rudy won’t be satisfied with that approach and would have Bernie Kerik put it in the trunk of a car, encase it in concrete and then sink it in the ocean. You know, the way they got rid of all the WTC metal after 9/11, so nobody could determine why it failed.</p>

Well, you can if you’re putting your emails through the RNC servers. See? Nothing gets recorded that way and the hard drives can be encased in cement and sunk to the bottom of the ocean. This is how all republic presidents do business. It’s very Mob-like.

I hear Rudy won’t be satisfied with that approach and would have Bernie Kerik put it in the trunk of a car, encase it in concrete and then sink it in the ocean. You know, the way they got rid of all the WTC metal after 9/11, so nobody could determine why it failed.

]]> By: PetePierce http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/03/whos-the-bigger-dictator-bush-or-chavez/#comment-1131351 PetePierce Tue, 04 Dec 2007 01:17:52 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/03/whos-the-bigger-dictator-bush-or-chavez/#comment-1131351 <blockquote><p>why America has to be against Venezuela ? and Chavez? why we have to be against Russia ?and Putin ? BECAUSE THE NEOCONS CAN’T PUT THEIR STICKY FINGERS IN THESE COUNTRIES! AND THEY HAVE HYJACKED THE cONGRESS AND wHITE hOUSE ! SHAME !</p> </blockquote> <p><strong><br /> Why America will Always be an Intrepid Fervent Supporter of Chavez as will their Irrelevant American President the Georgie Bushie.</strong></p> <p>The Americans will not get off their gas guzzling SUVs. This is despite the fact that 16% of single vehicle accidents in SUVs result in paralyzing C-Spine fractures/or fatalities in one large suvey conducted by an emergency medicine physician hired by the U.S.D.O.T.</p> <p><strong>Hats off to the liars in the 16 agencies of the American Intelligence community who witheld an N.I.E. for a year which reported Iran has ended it’s quest for nuclear W.M.D.’s while fear mongering through the Bush lying mouth and the Cheney lying mouth pulpit and pushing precisely the opposite as recently as a week ago.</strong></p>

why America has to be against Venezuela ? and Chavez? why we have to be against Russia ?and Putin ? BECAUSE THE NEOCONS CAN’T PUT THEIR STICKY FINGERS IN THESE COUNTRIES! AND THEY HAVE HYJACKED THE cONGRESS AND wHITE hOUSE ! SHAME !


Why America will Always be an Intrepid Fervent Supporter of Chavez as will their Irrelevant American President the Georgie Bushie.

The Americans will not get off their gas guzzling SUVs. This is despite the fact that 16% of single vehicle accidents in SUVs result in paralyzing C-Spine fractures/or fatalities in one large suvey conducted by an emergency medicine physician hired by the U.S.D.O.T.

Hats off to the liars in the 16 agencies of the American Intelligence community who witheld an N.I.E. for a year which reported Iran has ended it’s quest for nuclear W.M.D.’s while fear mongering through the Bush lying mouth and the Cheney lying mouth pulpit and pushing precisely the opposite as recently as a week ago.

]]> By: PetePierce http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/03/whos-the-bigger-dictator-bush-or-chavez/#comment-1131324 PetePierce Tue, 04 Dec 2007 00:54:17 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/03/whos-the-bigger-dictator-bush-or-chavez/#comment-1131324 <p><strong>The US is the biggest oil customer of Hugo Chavez and Venzuelan oil distributors at $100 million per year.</strong> </p> <p>That makes US citizens one of the more potent forces that is supporting and promoting one Hugo Chavez. </p> <p>You won’t see any press releases or mention by any Bush administration official of this fact. </p> <p>I wonder why.</p> <p><em>Meanwhile, Americans continue to pay homage to their National Horse–the Hummer and the S.U.V.</em> which helps make Chavez and his coterie rich.</p> <p>In a perfect metaphor for the U.S.’s prodigious financial support for Mr. Chavez, Passive Pelosi who speaks with big tough stick and delivers next to nothing of substantive legislation, proudly announced an agreement(at least in the House) between Herself majesty Big Nancy Pelosi and John Dingle of Michigan to force Amerian automakers to a standard of 35 m.p.g. in yup. thirteen years!:</p> <p><a href="http://persona-non.blogspot.com/2007/11/regime-cafe-rules-suck.html">Regime Cafe Rules Suck</a> </p> <p>This means Chavez is assured continued support of Passive Pelosi and the American Congress if this bill even passes for a very long time.</p> <p>Meanwhile Toyota, the maker of the Prius the Land Cruiser, the Tundra, and many other gas guzzling BATs (Big Ass Trucks)continues to lobby fiercely against milage standards with the support of the Bush administration who has never supported any realistic fuel efficiency measures but prefers to posture with distant remedies like hydrogen fuel.</p> <p>A big H/T to Tweetie Bird Mathews who is breathlessly showcasing all the me-toos who are piling on the train to say they did have sex with that man (as opposed to “Ah did not have sex with that woman” Larry Craig.</p> <p>Not one mention of any reporters of the activities or any consequence of Ho Hitter Louisiana Senator Vitter whose wife did a stand by her Ho Hitting man in a tasteful Leopard cocktail dress.</p> <p>Not one mention of replacing Vitter with a Democratic appointment by the Louisana Governor of course.</p> <p>So here’s to <em>America the Prescient</em> and their people who are breathlessly following the saga of of Marie Osmond on <em>Dancing with the Stars</em> but have no earthly idea about the Surveillance bill that’s imminent and going to screw their rights to the wall, and bury what the Telcos did and are currently doing to screw them forever.</p> The US is the biggest oil customer of Hugo Chavez and Venzuelan oil distributors at $100 million per year.

That makes US citizens one of the more potent forces that is supporting and promoting one Hugo Chavez.

You won’t see any press releases or mention by any Bush administration official of this fact.

I wonder why.

Meanwhile, Americans continue to pay homage to their National Horse–the Hummer and the S.U.V. which helps make Chavez and his coterie rich.

In a perfect metaphor for the U.S.’s prodigious financial support for Mr. Chavez, Passive Pelosi who speaks with big tough stick and delivers next to nothing of substantive legislation, proudly announced an agreement(at least in the House) between Herself majesty Big Nancy Pelosi and John Dingle of Michigan to force Amerian automakers to a standard of 35 m.p.g. in yup. thirteen years!:

Regime Cafe Rules Suck

This means Chavez is assured continued support of Passive Pelosi and the American Congress if this bill even passes for a very long time.

Meanwhile Toyota, the maker of the Prius the Land Cruiser, the Tundra, and many other gas guzzling BATs (Big Ass Trucks)continues to lobby fiercely against milage standards with the support of the Bush administration who has never supported any realistic fuel efficiency measures but prefers to posture with distant remedies like hydrogen fuel.

A big H/T to Tweetie Bird Mathews who is breathlessly showcasing all the me-toos who are piling on the train to say they did have sex with that man (as opposed to “Ah did not have sex with that woman” Larry Craig.

Not one mention of any reporters of the activities or any consequence of Ho Hitter Louisiana Senator Vitter whose wife did a stand by her Ho Hitting man in a tasteful Leopard cocktail dress.

Not one mention of replacing Vitter with a Democratic appointment by the Louisana Governor of course.

So here’s to America the Prescient and their people who are breathlessly following the saga of of Marie Osmond on Dancing with the Stars but have no earthly idea about the Surveillance bill that’s imminent and going to screw their rights to the wall, and bury what the Telcos did and are currently doing to screw them forever.

]]> By: SoCali http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/03/whos-the-bigger-dictator-bush-or-chavez/#comment-1131206 SoCali Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:10:05 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/03/whos-the-bigger-dictator-bush-or-chavez/#comment-1131206 <p>I thought the MSM in unison told us that Chavez was a “dictator” that controlled “the levers of government” and that he “bought” his support by parsing out his oil wealth to the poor. How could this have happened?<br /> Our fear now must be that Chavez will to turn north for advice. Just thinking about Bush advising Chavez on effectively using a cabal in the Supreme Court to stealing an election is scary enough.<br /> What if Bush would school Chavez on operating with only a narrow majority in the legislature to subvert a constitution stripping away civil liberties, wiretapping and repealing habeus corpus, while ignoring the law with renditions and torture.<br /> Can’t you just hear Bush condescendingly preaching to Chavez about the importance of secrecy in government? It would be hard for this prankish president to resist laughing at Chavez that he can’t even get term limits extended! Heck, half of Europe doesn’t have term limits! What kind of “dictator” is he?<br /> Maybe Chavez needs to invade a country or two, his feeble 1% of GNP spending on his military is not going make him the darling of his corporations or military. Beef it up baby, would be Bush’s advice.<br /> If Chavez could only make up to Bush, I am sure the U.S. leader could show him a thing or two about dishing out the dollars to stay in power. Bush would split a gut over Chavez’s attempt to “buy support” by spending on social programs vs. tax cuts for the wealthy and deficit spending for the military.<br /> Bush is not the brightest, but our gentlemen C president would certainly be capable of lecturing Chavez not to be all too concerned about spreading the wealth widely. His 60% popular vote mandate in election after election is a waste of resources to our guy. Go for the 50.1%. Spend wisely.<br /> Bush would tell him to stopping bragging about cutting poverty rates in half or getting new voters to actually participate in the future of their country. It is all for naught if the corporations, the wealth few, are not beating the drums for you.<br /> Bush knows how to manipulate the masses. Chavez must be in awe. A year after 9/11, some 70% of the U.S. thought Saddam was responsible for 9/11! Now that is control of the media!<br /> Just think of all that wasted time working with the legislature who took the original 33 reforms and added to them, then he wasted almost two months — from Aug. 16 to Oct. 7 — with some 9,020 public events, during which more than 10 million copies of the reforms were distributed and one poll found some 70% of the Venezuelan people read them. Informing the public??? These third-world presidents have much to learn from our guy.<br /> Bush could help him be much more effective with just one suggestion. Get one of his wealthy supporters to buy a major television outlet with supporting newspapers and media, then blast the propaganda. Forget about informing the people.<br /> Even Chavez can see it was much cleaner when the U.S. backed dictators controlled Latin America and reigned through terror. Our wealthy guys working with their wealthy guys to err… get wealthier. If you wanted something done, they didn’t need no damn referendum. If would have been a cocktail party joke to speak of “term limits.” Oh for the good ole days!<br /> This democracy stuff is messy with no certain results. If only Chavez would emulate Bush, Latin America would go back to the good times. Please Chavez, don’t look north for ideas…<br /> I don’t see that happening. While our propagandists make Chavez out to be the “dictator,” the left is winning election after election in Latin America. Funny, we don’t hear or read the same vindictives directed towards the socialist president of Chile, Morales or Correa. The propagandist need one guy they can pinpoint. Remind you of anyone? This tactic is well practiced. As a side note, you won’t see them write much about the U.S.-backed Columbia government that has been decimated with corruption while Bush lavishes millions in aid on them.<br /> How sad and ironic to read our media preach to the Venezuelan people about what they should do and how their duly elected president is a “dictator.” It seems our corporate controlled media knows no bounds when it comes to exposing their hypocrisy.<br /> The U.S. backed oligarchies of the past are under attack from ironically– democracy. Get used to it.</p> I thought the MSM in unison told us that Chavez was a “dictator” that controlled “the levers of government” and that he “bought” his support by parsing out his oil wealth to the poor. How could this have happened?
Our fear now must be that Chavez will to turn north for advice. Just thinking about Bush advising Chavez on effectively using a cabal in the Supreme Court to stealing an election is scary enough.
What if Bush would school Chavez on operating with only a narrow majority in the legislature to subvert a constitution stripping away civil liberties, wiretapping and repealing habeus corpus, while ignoring the law with renditions and torture.
Can’t you just hear Bush condescendingly preaching to Chavez about the importance of secrecy in government? It would be hard for this prankish president to resist laughing at Chavez that he can’t even get term limits extended! Heck, half of Europe doesn’t have term limits! What kind of “dictator” is he?
Maybe Chavez needs to invade a country or two, his feeble 1% of GNP spending on his military is not going make him the darling of his corporations or military. Beef it up baby, would be Bush’s advice.
If Chavez could only make up to Bush, I am sure the U.S. leader could show him a thing or two about dishing out the dollars to stay in power. Bush would split a gut over Chavez’s attempt to “buy support” by spending on social programs vs. tax cuts for the wealthy and deficit spending for the military.
Bush is not the brightest, but our gentlemen C president would certainly be capable of lecturing Chavez not to be all too concerned about spreading the wealth widely. His 60% popular vote mandate in election after election is a waste of resources to our guy. Go for the 50.1%. Spend wisely.
Bush would tell him to stopping bragging about cutting poverty rates in half or getting new voters to actually participate in the future of their country. It is all for naught if the corporations, the wealth few, are not beating the drums for you.
Bush knows how to manipulate the masses. Chavez must be in awe. A year after 9/11, some 70% of the U.S. thought Saddam was responsible for 9/11! Now that is control of the media!
Just think of all that wasted time working with the legislature who took the original 33 reforms and added to them, then he wasted almost two months — from Aug. 16 to Oct. 7 — with some 9,020 public events, during which more than 10 million copies of the reforms were distributed and one poll found some 70% of the Venezuelan people read them. Informing the public??? These third-world presidents have much to learn from our guy.
Bush could help him be much more effective with just one suggestion. Get one of his wealthy supporters to buy a major television outlet with supporting newspapers and media, then blast the propaganda. Forget about informing the people.
Even Chavez can see it was much cleaner when the U.S. backed dictators controlled Latin America and reigned through terror. Our wealthy guys working with their wealthy guys to err… get wealthier. If you wanted something done, they didn’t need no damn referendum. If would have been a cocktail party joke to speak of “term limits.” Oh for the good ole days!
This democracy stuff is messy with no certain results. If only Chavez would emulate Bush, Latin America would go back to the good times. Please Chavez, don’t look north for ideas…
I don’t see that happening. While our propagandists make Chavez out to be the “dictator,” the left is winning election after election in Latin America. Funny, we don’t hear or read the same vindictives directed towards the socialist president of Chile, Morales or Correa. The propagandist need one guy they can pinpoint. Remind you of anyone? This tactic is well practiced. As a side note, you won’t see them write much about the U.S.-backed Columbia government that has been decimated with corruption while Bush lavishes millions in aid on them.
How sad and ironic to read our media preach to the Venezuelan people about what they should do and how their duly elected president is a “dictator.” It seems our corporate controlled media knows no bounds when it comes to exposing their hypocrisy.
The U.S. backed oligarchies of the past are under attack from ironically– democracy. Get used to it.

]]> By: lift http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/03/whos-the-bigger-dictator-bush-or-chavez/#comment-1131033 lift Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:06:52 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/03/whos-the-bigger-dictator-bush-or-chavez/#comment-1131033 <p>why America has to be against Venezuela ? and Chavez? why we have to be against Russia ?and Putin ? BECAUSE THE NEOCONS CAN’T PUT THEIR STICKY FINGERS IN THESE COUNTRIES! AND THEY HAVE HYJACKED THE cONGRESS AND wHITE hOUSE ! SHAME !</p> why America has to be against Venezuela ? and Chavez? why we have to be against Russia ?and Putin ? BECAUSE THE NEOCONS CAN’T PUT THEIR STICKY FINGERS IN THESE COUNTRIES! AND THEY HAVE HYJACKED THE cONGRESS AND wHITE hOUSE ! SHAME !

]]> By: newtonusr http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/03/whos-the-bigger-dictator-bush-or-chavez/#comment-1131012 newtonusr Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:44:28 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/03/whos-the-bigger-dictator-bush-or-chavez/#comment-1131012 <blockquote><p>Ack! I just left a message saying that preview doesn’t work for me either (Mac running OS 10.4, Firefox, & am on fast DSL) but the message didn’t show up at all (or it’s far enough above that I didn’t see it). This new blog has got me all kerfluzzled.</p> </blockquote> <p>I have that happen (faulire to Preview) in all versions of Safari, but FireFox seems to do the Preview just fine. Clear caches, and upgrade to the latest FireFox would be my first suggestion.</p>

Ack! I just left a message saying that preview doesn’t work for me either (Mac running OS 10.4, Firefox, & am on fast DSL) but the message didn’t show up at all (or it’s far enough above that I didn’t see it). This new blog has got me all kerfluzzled.

I have that happen (faulire to Preview) in all versions of Safari, but FireFox seems to do the Preview just fine. Clear caches, and upgrade to the latest FireFox would be my first suggestion.

]]> By: SadieSue http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/03/whos-the-bigger-dictator-bush-or-chavez/#comment-1130998 SadieSue Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:33:18 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/03/whos-the-bigger-dictator-bush-or-chavez/#comment-1130998 <p>Ack! I just left a message saying that preview doesn’t work for me either (Mac running OS 10.4, Firefox, & am on fast DSL) but the message didn’t show up at all (or it’s far enough above that I didn’t see it). This new blog has got me all kerfluzzled.</p> Ack! I just left a message saying that preview doesn’t work for me either (Mac running OS 10.4, Firefox, & am on fast DSL) but the message didn’t show up at all (or it’s far enough above that I didn’t see it). This new blog has got me all kerfluzzled.

]]> By: RickinSF http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/03/whos-the-bigger-dictator-bush-or-chavez/#comment-1130994 RickinSF Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:31:58 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/03/whos-the-bigger-dictator-bush-or-chavez/#comment-1130994 <p>I’m should read like the contracted version of I am.</p> I’m should read like the contracted version of I am.

]]> By: dakine01 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/03/whos-the-bigger-dictator-bush-or-chavez/#comment-1130993 dakine01 Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:31:45 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/03/whos-the-bigger-dictator-bush-or-chavez/#comment-1130993 <p>All the more reason then as Mac OS X is unix based (although obviously modified such that most of us never see any of the underlying processes.</p> All the more reason then as Mac OS X is unix based (although obviously modified such that most of us never see any of the underlying processes.

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