Comments on: New NIE Report Going to Need Some Tweaking For Conservapedia Debut http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/03/new-nie-report-going-to-need-some-tweaking-for-conservapedia-debut/ Firedoglake weblog Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:20:25 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: SoCali http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/03/new-nie-report-going-to-need-some-tweaking-for-conservapedia-debut/#comment-1131906 SoCali Tue, 04 Dec 2007 06:46:43 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/03/new-nie-report-going-to-need-some-tweaking-for-conservapedia-debut/#comment-1131906 <p>Please disregard above post. Israel attacked Syria… my bad</p> Please disregard above post. Israel attacked Syria… my bad

]]> By: SoCali http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/03/new-nie-report-going-to-need-some-tweaking-for-conservapedia-debut/#comment-1131884 SoCali Tue, 04 Dec 2007 06:31:23 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/03/new-nie-report-going-to-need-some-tweaking-for-conservapedia-debut/#comment-1131884 <p>Somebody might ask the President tomorrow that given the NIE report, what was the purpose of the Israel attack on Iran? We were all led to believe that Israel was taking out a nuclear facility but now that seems blatantly false. So why did Israel attack Iran? Why are they not condemned at the UN?</p> Somebody might ask the President tomorrow that given the NIE report, what was the purpose of the Israel attack on Iran? We were all led to believe that Israel was taking out a nuclear facility but now that seems blatantly false. So why did Israel attack Iran? Why are they not condemned at the UN?

]]> By: SeamusD http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/03/new-nie-report-going-to-need-some-tweaking-for-conservapedia-debut/#comment-1131431 SeamusD Tue, 04 Dec 2007 02:05:04 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/03/new-nie-report-going-to-need-some-tweaking-for-conservapedia-debut/#comment-1131431 <p>ratbastahd-try emailing media DOT firedoglake AT gmail DOT com. That’s Suin. Give her your old email address and explain the problem. Or get a new gmail address and use it for posting here and other places. That’s a good way to keep your blogging email address separate from everything else.</p> ratbastahd-try emailing media DOT firedoglake AT gmail DOT com. That’s Suin. Give her your old email address and explain the problem. Or get a new gmail address and use it for posting here and other places. That’s a good way to keep your blogging email address separate from everything else.

]]> By: LS http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/03/new-nie-report-going-to-need-some-tweaking-for-conservapedia-debut/#comment-1131421 LS Tue, 04 Dec 2007 01:59:12 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/03/new-nie-report-going-to-need-some-tweaking-for-conservapedia-debut/#comment-1131421 <p>Pelosi is not lying. The <strong>Administration</strong> has been lying, and she is smoothing it over by saying that it give an opportunity to talk to the Iranians…etc., I am pointing out that the Administration has been lying to us about what they know, just like they did prior to Iraq. That is the lie I am referring to. My feeling is that she should be outraged that the country has been lied to, via the withholding of the NIE information, and the drumbeat for war with Iran…</p> <p>She should be calling them flat out on their lies. Period. Instead, she is schmoozing, coddling, and twisting her South Sea Pearls. She is a coward.</p> <p>I hope that helps…</p> Pelosi is not lying. The Administration has been lying, and she is smoothing it over by saying that it give an opportunity to talk to the Iranians…etc., I am pointing out that the Administration has been lying to us about what they know, just like they did prior to Iraq. That is the lie I am referring to. My feeling is that she should be outraged that the country has been lied to, via the withholding of the NIE information, and the drumbeat for war with Iran…

She should be calling them flat out on their lies. Period. Instead, she is schmoozing, coddling, and twisting her South Sea Pearls. She is a coward.

I hope that helps…

]]> By: bobschacht http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/03/new-nie-report-going-to-need-some-tweaking-for-conservapedia-debut/#comment-1131302 bobschacht Tue, 04 Dec 2007 00:36:37 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/03/new-nie-report-going-to-need-some-tweaking-for-conservapedia-debut/#comment-1131302 <p>LS, you quote:</p> <blockquote><p>Pelosi/The Gavel:</p> <p>“While we should harbor no illusions about the intentions of some Iranian leaders, <strong>the new Iran NIE suggests there is time for a new policy toward Iran that deters it from restarting its nuclear program while also improving relations overall.</strong></p> <p>The NIE also illustrates the effectiveness of international monitoring and targeted sanctions to prevent the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. </p> </blockquote> <p>I don’t see why the bolded parts amount to a “lie.” Please explain. There have been far more outrageous statements made than this, mostly by the Buscheney administration. Please explain.</p> <p>Bob in HI</p> LS, you quote:

Pelosi/The Gavel:

“While we should harbor no illusions about the intentions of some Iranian leaders, the new Iran NIE suggests there is time for a new policy toward Iran that deters it from restarting its nuclear program while also improving relations overall.

The NIE also illustrates the effectiveness of international monitoring and targeted sanctions to prevent the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction.

I don’t see why the bolded parts amount to a “lie.” Please explain. There have been far more outrageous statements made than this, mostly by the Buscheney administration. Please explain.

Bob in HI

]]> By: bobschacht http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/03/new-nie-report-going-to-need-some-tweaking-for-conservapedia-debut/#comment-1131289 bobschacht Tue, 04 Dec 2007 00:27:18 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/03/new-nie-report-going-to-need-some-tweaking-for-conservapedia-debut/#comment-1131289 <p>Knut @45 (I want the automatic quotes back!!!)</p> <p>I agree with your impeachment strategy: getting the hearings started in the House is key. That will refocus public attention, and Republicans in the Senate will finally give up on Buscheney. </p> <p>Bob in HI</p> Knut @45 (I want the automatic quotes back!!!)

I agree with your impeachment strategy: getting the hearings started in the House is key. That will refocus public attention, and Republicans in the Senate will finally give up on Buscheney.

Bob in HI

]]> By: Laura Doty http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/03/new-nie-report-going-to-need-some-tweaking-for-conservapedia-debut/#comment-1131281 Laura Doty Tue, 04 Dec 2007 00:23:44 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/03/new-nie-report-going-to-need-some-tweaking-for-conservapedia-debut/#comment-1131281 <p>Sometimes it’s hard for this American to hold her head up. I’m grateful to non-U.S. friends for their understanding that U.S. civil society is something other–and better–than its gov. (At least, 75 % of us–give or take).</p> Sometimes it’s hard for this American to hold her head up. I’m grateful to non-U.S. friends for their understanding that U.S. civil society is something other–and better–than its gov. (At least, 75 % of us–give or take).

]]> By: chetnolian http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/03/new-nie-report-going-to-need-some-tweaking-for-conservapedia-debut/#comment-1131268 chetnolian Tue, 04 Dec 2007 00:14:30 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/03/new-nie-report-going-to-need-some-tweaking-for-conservapedia-debut/#comment-1131268 <p>I can’t help wondering what would be the response if a US attorney for the UK said that in a US Court. Sometimes it’s hard to love the USA as I do.</p> I can’t help wondering what would be the response if a US attorney for the UK said that in a US Court. Sometimes it’s hard to love the USA as I do.

]]> By: bobschacht http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/03/new-nie-report-going-to-need-some-tweaking-for-conservapedia-debut/#comment-1131266 bobschacht Tue, 04 Dec 2007 00:13:38 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/03/new-nie-report-going-to-need-some-tweaking-for-conservapedia-debut/#comment-1131266 <p>Eureka <a href="mailto:Springs@34">Springs@34</a> re: Iraqi refugees in Iran–<br /> Thanks for the link, but I’m disappointed with the map. I’ll bet I know where most of them are: in the SW corner of Iran, in Khuzistan, where I used to do field work. There’s a large plain between the mountains and the border, and its mostly Arab anyway, but it’s also desert (with seasonal marshes). The city of Ahwaz is right in the middle of it.</p> <p>Recall that the two main Shi’ite organizations in Iraq, the Badr Organization, and the Moqtada al-Sadr militia, both have close ties to Iran (see Wiki). Most of Iran is NOT Arab, however, and the Shi’ite centers in Iraq consider themselves senior to the Iranian Shi’ites.</p> <p>Bob in HI</p> Eureka Springs@34 re: Iraqi refugees in Iran–
Thanks for the link, but I’m disappointed with the map. I’ll bet I know where most of them are: in the SW corner of Iran, in Khuzistan, where I used to do field work. There’s a large plain between the mountains and the border, and its mostly Arab anyway, but it’s also desert (with seasonal marshes). The city of Ahwaz is right in the middle of it.

Recall that the two main Shi’ite organizations in Iraq, the Badr Organization, and the Moqtada al-Sadr militia, both have close ties to Iran (see Wiki). Most of Iran is NOT Arab, however, and the Shi’ite centers in Iraq consider themselves senior to the Iranian Shi’ites.

Bob in HI

]]> By: Hugh http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/03/new-nie-report-going-to-need-some-tweaking-for-conservapedia-debut/#comment-1131255 Hugh Tue, 04 Dec 2007 00:08:07 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/03/new-nie-report-going-to-need-some-tweaking-for-conservapedia-debut/#comment-1131255 <p>On a slightly different topic, the Administration has been saber rattling against Iran off and on since since the SOTU speech of January 29, 2002 where the meme of the axis of evil was first trotted out.</p> <p>The campaign this year began on February 10, 2007 with Michael Gordon’s article with its unsubstantiated charges that EFPs and other weapons were being supplied to Shia militias in Iraq.</p> <p>A few weeks later on February 24 Dick Cheney during a trip to Australia warned of the dangers of Iran being allowed to become a nuclear power.</p> On a slightly different topic, the Administration has been saber rattling against Iran off and on since since the SOTU speech of January 29, 2002 where the meme of the axis of evil was first trotted out.

The campaign this year began on February 10, 2007 with Michael Gordon’s article with its unsubstantiated charges that EFPs and other weapons were being supplied to Shia militias in Iraq.

A few weeks later on February 24 Dick Cheney during a trip to Australia warned of the dangers of Iran being allowed to become a nuclear power.

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