Another poll showing Obama ahead of Clinton in Iowa:
Despite the movement, the race for 2008’s opening nominating contest remains very competitive about a month before the Jan. 3 caucuses, just over half of likely caucusgoers who favor a candidate saying they could change their minds.
Obama, an Illinois senator, leads for the first time in the Register’s poll as the choice of 28 percent of likely caucusgoers, up from 22 percent in October. Clinton, a New York senator, was the preferred candidate of 25 percent, down from 29 percent in the previous poll.
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The lead change appears after weeks of increasing criticism of Clinton by Obama and Edwards about her position on U.S. policy toward Iran and questions of her candor.
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Obama spent weeks in October and November attacking Clinton’s support for a measure that allowed President Bush to declare the Iran’s Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization, a move Obama said was a step toward war. Clinton said the measure enhanced U.S. negotiating strength with Iran.
A couple of things stick out. One — I’d still like to see any indication made by Obama prior to the vote that he opposed the Kyl-Lieberman bill, because I just did not hear it. He doesn’t get to campaign now on opposing it after sticking his finger in the wind — at the time, many were watching that vote as a way to measure how sincere his desire to challenge the foreign policy establishment really was. He didn’t vote. For him to pretend now that his opposition was full-throated and sincere is probably the most cynical move I’ve seen on the Democratic side of the ticket in this campaign.
And two — we told you, everyone. Don’t have anything to do with Joe Lieberman, ever, at any time. He’s a toxic little waste pile of a man who will lay an instant load of political cooties on anyone he comes in contact with.
When will they ever learn?
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Bedlam is dreaming of rain.
Oh another Bad Religion fan.
Greetings, Firepups!
New site looks great. Congrats to all those working behind the scene to make it happen.
I’m happy to see that voters so clearly oppose an attack on Iran … now if only the candidates would themselves *vote* based on that understanding!
No Jane, another Jane Hamsher fan. I knew nothing about the song until you talked about it on one post long ago. I just loved the line being on your last banner, and thought this would be a way of keeping it in the ol memory banks. I haven’t figured out how to link properly yet, but did let downstairs know.
for folks who want to know how to link … try this
type the title or a description of the page you want to link to, like this
google
then select the word you typed and click the little link icon on the comment box (it’s between the quotes and the spell check icon) and fill in the url in the box that pops up to get this
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The fact that Obama didn’t vote on Kyl-Lieberman is no better than voting for it.
Great to have a Sun. afternoon post from you, Jane, & much thanks for the excellent Book Salon w/Juan Cole. Have to go out now, but FYI for everyone, Prof. Cole has come back to the comment thread downstairs to answer questions.
Read you all later.
Senator Webb was on Punkin Head’s show this A.M. , said the vote to include the Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist group was the first time ever that a group that is part of a government has ever been classed as a terrorist faction.All other terrorist organizations do not officially belong to a government.
Did anyone catch the “community forum” thinger that C-span aired from yesterday? Lots of really passionate folks about taking our country back from corporate rule. Interesting responses from the candidates. I enjoyed seeing the “face” of Iowan voters and hope they all come out to caucus.
I want Obama – who has a history with Holy Joe – to vow that Liarman will not have any position in his administration. None. Nada. Zip.
I’d like to hear that from Hillary, too. She and Bill did all they could to help Holy Joe in 2006 without making it obvious. Some of us from CT noticed!
test
cool beans on this new site format
gonna take some getting used to, tho
So if I do this: http://www.redcross.int/en/default.aspIn case you have a few bucks in your pocket to spare for a friends in Iraq. Fears are that cholera will break out big time in Baghdad when the rainy season hits. (Sorry for OT.) (Thanks for link coaching, Siun.)
The “I was out of town campaigning” excuse rings rather hollow with me, given the speed of travel today. It’s not like he had to rush back for an important vote on horseback, like Caesar Rodney who helped give us a country.
A question about votes in Congress… I’m wandering out into the wilderness here, but if you can buy a $12 million painting at auction over the phone wouldn’t it be possible to set up a system where members of Congress could register a vote over the phone? We have voice print technology, after all… Just spitballing here….
Caucuses are strange compared to primaries. We caucus in Alaska for our Dem presidential choice on Feb 5. Right now, our choices are Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Christopher Dodd, John Edwards, Mike Gravel, Dennis Kucinich, Barack Obama, and Bill Richardson.
But the caucuses are being held in very few places, for a couple of hours. Sort of like they did it back in the 1840s.
Well, I remembered what you said about Joey the Liarmann and linking him with his guy Obama at dKos got me TRed…..
Heh….heh….heh….
Doesn’t bother me much as there is no longer a there, there. The Great Orange Satan has let things get pretty much out of hand and huge tribes, each ’supporting’ their ‘Dear Leader’ are surging back and forth laying waste to everyone and everything they even suppose opposes their way of thought.
Sad.
I’d much rather talk about the ‘conservative’ mind or try and make ‘The Rabbit’ Emmanuel’s life truly miserable, until he gets the memo, that read hundreds of comment by folks who just arrived online and think everything has to be a pie-fight.
That’s just me.
Several problems with Obama on Iran..he was for it when he was a co-sponsor of S.970 and there is no record that I can find that he spoke out against Kyl-Lieberman before the vote and said nothing after he didn’t vote; for nine hours..weather and wind check perhaps?
Part of the age old system, I guess.
just like over Thanksgiving they had to have a warm body there to bang the gavel and declare Congress in session and the bang it again to close it, twenty seconds or so, just to keep Bush from appointing someone to office during a recess.
I’m still worried that Obama is a Muslim. /snark
Obama rallies state Democrats, throws support behind Lieberman
HARTFORD, Conn. –U.S. Sen. Barack Obama rallied Connecticut Democrats at their annual dinner Thursday night, throwing his support behind mentor and Senate colleague Joe Lieberman.
http://www.boston.com/news/loc…..lieberman/
Last time I asked that Q, someone replied that if they did that, no member of Congress would ever show up in D.C. Convvinced me.
ACitizen, we almost never have pie fights here at FDL, which is why many of us are here in the first place. (Well, back in the old days Late Night or Late, Late Night sometimes turned into a food fight, but it was more in fun than anything else, and then the earlybirds would get out the mops and pick up the tables and chairs…)
i wouldn’t go that far…. it would have been nice to kyl and lieberman be the only votes for their stupid and dangerous amendment.
but i still think it’s disingenuous of obama to now pretend he was always so strongly against it.
You are totally out of line with your attempts to restrict Senator
WaffleHope in any way. He is a shining example of, ‘What Jesus would do!’ Questioning him leaves me to believe that you are sadly, sadly lacking in trust for your fellowsnake-oil salesmanpolitician.Me?
I would not believe either him or her on that topic no matter what they said.
Liars the both of them.
Marion @ 14
It ought to be as easy as logging in to any website with a password and username; maybe do it like many companies, where you have to change the password every three months, with the old ones saved to prevent re-use for, say, five years.
I can, however, see congresscritters handing the information to a staffer (or two) and forgetting they’re handing the keys to someone who might not be as trustworthy.
Does that mean he’s automatically blackballed for a Romney cabinet seat? :P
I still worry that he says he can work with his good friend Tom Coburn. no snark
Aloha, Ya’ll!
Sorry-OT But, has MalKKKin finally crossed over from the Dark Side…
She actually takes Lopez and TNR to task… WTF?
Oh, Lordy. I hadn’t considered that… But given the sort of legislation they’ve been producing lately that might not be such a bad idea after all. Make them come to Washington to write legislation, ban lobbyists from DC and a 500 mile radius, and make bills anonymous. I’ll bet we’d get a lot fewer crappy bills!
The quality of questions was a refreshing change. I thought Edwards was going to lose his voice.
Be careful who you use the work blackballed about.
Last I checked, Edwards, in third place, was just three points behind Hillary. Maybe Edwards will give them a run for their money in Iowa.
I don’t mind an occasional cream pie in the kisser and I most certainly do not think everyone is gonna agree with me about whatever I write. But….
The level of personal invective, ad hominem attacks and just plain rage is gotten to the point where I plan to really unload on The Great Orange Satan when I see him next. The site is morphing into something that looks far too much like RedState to me and all around the stupid identity politics Obama and Hillary supporters are locked into.
I’ll shut up now. The situation will get better or worse over there with or without me. So be it.
An Edwards second in Iowa would give him some serious Mojo going into NH…
I used to visit Daily Kos, well, daily. Then the screaming wars started and I gave up on it. I suppose there may still be worthwhile commenting there in the threads, but there’s way too much shouting and name-calling for my taste. Me, I hang out here.
An Edwards first would be even better… [Crosses fingers, toes, legs, arms, eyes, and of course all of my Ts…]
I was a McGovern delegate at the county level in Kentucky during the ‘72 campaign and it was still caucus at that time. Each county had a caucus meeting where delegate slates were submitted and voted on. i wound up not going any further as the then governor was anti-McGovern so pushed for an “uncommitted” slate. That year, there was only McGovern and “uncommitted” running by the time the Kentucky caucus was held.
It p*ss’d my father off as he was a state employee. I hadn’t told him I was a McGovernite and when my name was read as a McG delegate, he walked out of the meeting rather than have the governor (through the local pols) blaming him for my political leanings.
Hey kiddo – did Obama help Joe Lieberman in the general election 2006 after Ned Lamont’s stunning upset in the primary? I’m rooting for John Edwards but always interested in factual alliances between Liarman and Democratic senators and congresscritters. BTW are you from OK?
Likewise, with DU, Marion… 8-(
You’re absolutely right about that too. It’s a sadness. What’s even more frustrating is they’re giving ammunition to the Repuglicans (spelled that way on purpose…) who can sift through the comments and find stuff that would make their side proud. I just wish people would think before they mash the “Submit Comment” button…
And three, Kyl is worse than Lieberman, and he’s hard to beat! Together? Pffft! Hopelessly, fatally, stick a fork in you, you’re done if you support them!
Now, THERE’s a real Southernism for you — we don’t “press” buttons. We “mash” them…!!!
Am I from Oklahoma? Yeppers.
Classic Jane Hamsher.
I won’t believe either one…either. But it would be interesting to hear the shit they both spin on the topic of Holy Joe.
I will go ballistic when they appoint that asshole to any position in a Democratic administration. And I do know that they will.
Not sure, but as I recall Obama was sick (during the Dem debates he had a cold and a poor showing). I believe the vote was either that same day or the next day.
He does have a different position on Pakistan than Clinton. That is clear.
Does Obama have a different position from Hillary on Pakistan, or does he just say he has a different position?
I like the new site. I just wanted to add my two cents on DailyKos. It is near the point of losing me and I spend more time there than is healthy. I plan on being here more often. I used to post here several years ago and then kind of drifted away. Nice to be back.
I thought it was rather weaselly of Obama not to vote on that. He is a politician after all, but come on.
I will go ballistic when they appoint that asshole (Holy Joe) to any position in a Democratic administration. And I do know that they will.
He’s your Phizer and Hartford Insurance Rep. Great guy for the Military Industrials, too. And don’t forget A*P*C.
President Obama? Do you think there’d be a place for mentor Lieberman in an Obama administration?
I think that the underlying problem is that Obama come off as a work-in-progress… we find Senator Clinton hard to pin down because she’s a shrewd, experienced politico. it may be that we find Senator Obama hard to pin down precisely because he isn’t.
Wait a while and he’ll come up with a position you like.
Wait some more and he’ll come up with another one.
Wash, rinse, repeat….
I will never vote for Hillary. If it’s Hillary, I’m voting for my cat.
Nice to meet you Teresa. Welcome.
OT
Scott Horton sez W fits Aristotle’s definition of a tyrant. Works for me.
http://www.harpers.org/archive…..c-90001814
I do believe Obama would have a place at the table for Ol Joe and quite a few Republicans too. I’m hopin’ for Edwards to come out of Iowa smokin’. Though, for smokin’ Richardson is my man ;).
Just got back from taking kobe to buy his bottled water.
Has the fight broken out in the comment section yet?
Is it fight night Jane?
FWIW- This being a Democracy (for the moment) it makes a significant difference if someone indeed voted for Kyl-LIeberman (H. Clinton) or if s/he did not vote for it (Obama) -no matter what the reason. Even if he, as a politician fearful of swiftboating on terra) did not come out in opposition, he did not vote FOR the bill. He also was right on Iraq (unlike Hillary). My fear, as with the O-Hanlan-Hillary links pushed by the NYT and others is that Hillary will be a Neo-Con supporter when it comes to the ME. I think that Obama will be more astute (smarter, disciplined, rational). As to Pakistan, well that is the reality of this country (re. CIA actions) for half a century or more. He was just saying the obvious. Such actions are far smarter then what Bush did in Iraq or what the Neo-Cons want to happen in Iran.
the vote was held at 12:45pm on September 26, 2007
I used to read there a lot too. Then I was gone for awhile, and returned. That was when the tasering incident at the Florida university happened.
Way too many people said things like “he was out of line” or “he was shouting” or basically, he deserved what he got.
I just have not felt at home there since. I want to know someone’s got my back. Those people, I don’t trust.
Which may get “THEM” elected. Me, I’ll take my barf bag into the polling place and do my Democratic duty as revolting as it may be. It’s less revolting than the other side, and that’s pretty much all I hope for now. My real hope died with Bobby Kennedy.
Hackworth and others: Hillary already has said she would include rethugs – and even brought Colin Powell into the equation. That man should never be allowed into any administration after what he did at the UN knowing what he did. And, on balance, Obama has far better foreign advisers than Hillary. My sense on the Conn campaign is that he felt he had to do something initially (show up) as did most everyone else. Unlike the Clinton’s, however, he didn’t do a big public billing for Joe. There are key differences.
Not to fear. Think the evidence is pretty overwhelming that she is a neocon. Latest bit, this interview of Gen. Wesley Clark, one of her big supports, who really lets his mask slip. He’s the original neocon taking great delight in bombing the bejeebus out of the Balkans to achieve humanitarian ends.
http://www.wnyc.org/shows/bl/e…..ents/89514
Thats why I like Edwards…reminds me of RFK… alot
I agree, but I’d worry about Lieberman. Now lets talk about electability. This ain’t no time for a squeaker. If it isn’t a landslide, all indicators point to Rethuglican election theft.
A bad Hillary is still 10x better than a Romney or a Huck or a Rudy.
Thank you TexBetsy. Glad to be back.
I like Edwards too. But would probably hold my nose if it came to that.
Thanks for the link I wanted to hear that interview.
Richmond at 71: meant to say hold my nose to vote for any Dem.
Me too. From the very first I’ve gotten a very, very strong RFK vibe from Edwards.
Me 2. I’m going with Edwards.
And Kobe buys bottled water, WHY?
*gasp* We wouldn’t trash your new digs, Ma Cheri! Just cause they do it at DK and DU doesn’t mean it’d happen here… *g*
Well I obviously screwed that “reply to” up.
As far as voting goes, I’ll vote for Edwards in the primary, and then vote for whoever comes out of convention. I truly, truly believe that our very worst is 50 times better than their very best.
I advocate any that any Democratic presidential candidate is better than any Republican. No matter how distasteful that Demo candidate may be. Gawd I hate to say that.
I’m voting for any Democrat regardless, so when my grandkids asked what we did to stop the Republicans that ruined America and the planet way back when, I can say some of us got it and voted against fascism.
I hope I don’t have tell them the ideological purists in my own party and independents helped put the Republicans over the top, so they could finish us off.
Love the new look everyone.
I’m with you on that sentiment.
RFK put the fear of God into the FBI(J. pervert Edgar), the Mob(conspiracy theory anyone?), and cared for the poor. I miss him.
Tex, I saw a great bumper sticker today; “Clinton ‘08: Because Bush deserves a Third Term!” ;-)
hackworth- they will put out everything they got on every one of ours, so there is no point in second guessing. $400 haircut (read Edwards is too fem/gay/French), Osama/Obama (read not one of us), feminazi (read Hillary is a Lesbian hussie [can there be such a thing]. NB this is snark.
This FDL redesign is a bit too much for the G3 333MHz desktop I’m presently on. It would be nice to have a low-band version.
I’m not prepared for the change here. The frontrunners are indicators that Americans in general are not ready for political change from the status quo. It’s the sad truth.
Kristol throwing Giuliani under the bus. Tee hee hee.
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/….._1202.html
Obama has Lieberman’s fingerprints all over him.
You just have to know where to hang out at DU. Some forums are fine — GD can get really nasty. I belong to the Keith Olbermann Estrogen Brigade — we hang out in the Countdown every night during KO’s show and there’s never any arguing over there. We’ve gotten to be friends — some of us even in real life — and we welcome newcomers at any time. Safest place at DU.
I’d like to throw Kristol under the bus. ;0)
Do you suppose Obama realizes how far out of the mainstream Lieberman is? And if not, why not?
Brain bleach please.
Ooh, I’ll have to check it out! Mahalo!
from the teen/college student corner:
Anybody got a linkyroo??
Hillary is a Neocon who will bomb the shit out of Iran if she gets a foot inside the White House. We don’t need to vote for this warmonger.
I don’t believe that.
Link…
http://www.democraticunderground.com/
I don’t know that Hillary is a “neocon.” She’s a hawk, certainly, but I don’t think she’s a PNAC crazy.
Sixty Something here just testing my posting. Resume your discussion
You mean it’s not delivered?
This article in the Times today is chilling. Corporations are knocking down the doors to get new disgusting regulations passed, and hiring Democratic lobbyists, and this:
It is going to take a lot of money and time to beat this back. And it looks like preview isn’t working, which I say because I tried and have little confidence in my typing.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!! I just saw this…
“Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has offered Wolfowitz, a prime architect of the Iraq War, a position as chairman of the International Security Advisory Board,”
http://www.democraticundergrou…..15;2390729
And this part is important too.
K. Drum’s take
http://www.washingtonmonthly.c…..012616.php
My contempt for Joe Lieberman is infinite and eternal.
There. Makes me feel like old times again.
Besides, Obama’s healthcare plan was just deconstructed as BS by Krugman. Edwards has had all all the right positions as far as I am concerned, the best health care proposal (as stolen by Hillary) and seems to really understand the dangers of corporate control of everything. I actually don’t like him all that much but policy-wise, he’s the best of the bunch with a real chance. Obama is a great and inspiring speaker, which is worth something, but nearly useless on the policy front and his adoption of right wing talking points on social security, religion and “partisanship” is deeply troubling.
I am aware of the closeness of Obama and Lieberman. I do not see this proximity in the other Democratic presidential candidates.
That should please Lieberman.
An article about Obama and Iran from once-upon-a-time- land.
The simple truth is that neither Hillary nor Obama have shown any leadership in the Senate. Obama puts his finger in the air. Hillary triangulates. Both spin their positions like crazy.
On Kyl-Lieberman, Hillary never apologized for her AUMF vote and years long support for the Iraq war but she did eventually blame Bush for bad execution. I think the subtext was that while she didn’t apologize she wasn’t going to do something like that again, but then she went and voted for Kyl-Lieberman.
Wow, I think I’m back in Kansas…I was just reading Eureka Springs thread and it came to light that the thread was actually a “news” thread, and it linked back to this thread…..Where am I???? Waaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!
We haven’t seen any polling since the Clinton campaign hostage situation, have we? She handled that brilliantly.
Keep the sun shining there. Edwards public financing choice may start looking smarter than it does right now.
Well yes, but that didn’t take a lot of genius.
I don’t want to get started on HRC.
LS, it’s my fault. ES’s thread popped up on my RSS reader and was not identified as news.
OT – i’m putting together the contact info for the house of representatives (like i did for the senate)… thought i was almost ready to import my spreadsheet…. and i see that i’ve only 433 – wtf did i do? i’m missing 2.
just wanted to rant a bit about my inability to count. carry on.
It’s pretty funny actually!!
Why would you say this eddeevy?
Hillary is a Neocon who will bomb the shit out of Iran if she gets a foot inside the White House. We don’t need to vote for this warmonger.
Got something to share?
Selise, are we sure none have been renditioned?
Well said. Great minds think alike.
There are so many good Dems out there who do not know the truth about JoeLiar. When I explain my ideas about his true fealty, they are stunned.
I have been most concerned about Obama’s relationship to Joe since O. was elected to the Senate. My contempt for Lieberman knows no bounds and I cannot support anyone who finds him of redeemable value.
Selise I believe two seats are empty – one due to death (in VA?) and Hastert’s resignation.
fracking brilliant. best laugh i’ve had in days. thank you.
for real? i don’t have to spend the next hour figuring out how i missed?
I guess it beats unemployment. Does his World Bank girlfriend get a job there too?
Senators can not be redeemed but they seem to be indefinitely recyclable.
ohio 5th looks vacant
Marion & CT @ 39 -
I go to Kos, DU et al to read the posts and occasionally check some comments but ew’s is the only other place you’ll ever see my name. All of them have downsides…….the Lake feels like “home”.
selise @ 115 -
Are they actually getting back to work tomorrow? Am having hearings withdrawal symptoms.
janenyc -
Been meaning to ask what part of NC you’re in for the time being, if you don’t mind sharing.
JoAnn Davis
plus Hastert resigned.
And Hillary has Murdoch’s!
Silly statements aren’t they?
Skeevy Joe Lieberman subverted the election process by becoming an independent after losing the democratic primary to a real democrat who received the majority of votes in a primary election. Lieberman went on to win the general election with the support of Republicans who rejected their own candidate in favor of Lieberman. Lieberman the independent then retook his democratic label, kept all his committee assignments and has been referred to as a democrat ever since. No one in the democratic leadership has said a word about it.
From the link: http://www.democraticundergrou…..15;2390729
Wo
Wow, this looks like a position that was created for worn out old hacks.
i had hastert on my list! (guess it hadn’t sunk in that he was gone – only taht he was leaving)…. i will enjoy deleting that entry *g*
ok, so taht’s 3 vacancies for a total of 432 representatives
hope you don’t mind the edit.
Yeah…and why start a “new” job now????? Ack, Ack!!
A world without input from Obama, Hillary, Lieberman and Bush. My gawd what a wonderful world.
Perhaps Wolfie should take over Fred’s Law & Order role too.. and have a torrid affair with one of the prosecutors under him, leading to a season-log corruption scandal.
Yeah, I think the Ohio seat will be filled in a special election the eleventh iirc. Don’t recall when the VA seat will be filled. Hastert seat will have a primary in Feb, concurrent with the Pres primary and I forget when the “general election” will be for that seat.
I can’t get past the fact that Karl Rove is trying to change history, and is continuing to blame congress for starting the war too soon…blaming Daschel!
He’s obviously comfortable coming up with BS, and serving it warm. Pretty soon, people will be paying good money for it. He seemed to be laughing and having a good ol time with Charlie Rose about it last week, and now he tries to look/sound legit.
What a sorry creature.
Jane: “…we told you everyone; don’t have anything to do with Joe Lieberman, ever; at any time. He’s a toxic little wastepile of a man who will lay an instant load of political cooties on anyone he comes in contact with.”
Yep. :o)
And while we’re checking off the list, let’s add Colin “Hi-United- Nations! Here’s-a-dog-cart-load-of-bushCo-warpimp-”factoids!”-for-the General-Assembly.” Powell, to it.
And, courtesy of Digby, here’s Hillary, a few days ago, in South Carolina:
“I won’t even wait until I’m inaugurated, but as soon as I’m elected, I’m going to be asking distinguished americans of both parties—people like COLIN POWELL (my emphasis) for example, and others—who can represent our country very well, including someone I know very well.”…Ms. Clinton said, according to a FoxNewsWeb report. “Because I want to send a message heard across the world. The era of cowboy diplomacy is over.”
Tanbark sez:
I think that the most distinguished thing about Colin Powell is that he manned the koolaid-and-bullshit stand for george bush and his bloody, useless, clusterfuck so effectively.
And I don’t see how she can use one of the “Cowboys” to convince the world that cowboy diplomacy is over.
As Digby said:
“No member of the bush administration should ever be set out to represent this country abroad again. And aside from bush, Rumsfeld, and Cheyney, I can’t think of anyone less credible than Colin Powell.”
Amen, sister. :o)
Or a signal that the administration is going to back Thompson now that Ghoul has self-destructed.
thank you! you saved me much frustration!
Whew, the neocons have a serious ‘welfare’ safety net built in, only to be rivaled by the golden parachutes handed to CEO’s in mid-air… 8-(
anybody know how the polls show the Dem leaders stacking up against Freddy and Preacherman?
Selise, now you can spend the evening imagining assorted ones at Gitmo. Include a senator or two.
This Democrat is so excited. The choice may be between statesperson Obama of statesperson Clinton. I am so giddy at the prospect of Clinton/Obama. Or the other way round.
kiddo, we don’t even need a sarcasm button, do we?
This site has a list. http://www.usconstitution.net/congress.html
Hastert is still on it, but it notes 2 positions are vacant.
232 Democrat
201 Republican
0 Independent
Total voting members: 433
5 Other
2 Vacant
This site points out which are vacant: http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW.shtml
Davis, Jo Ann S., Virginia, 1st — Vacancy
Gillmor, Paul, Ohio, 5th –Vacancy
Hastert, Denny, Illinois, 14th — Vacancy
Hah! AP via AmericaBlog now claiming there are eight (8!) “friends” of Larry Craig…
Waccamaw @ 127
I’m in eastern NC — up Hwy 17….. in Washington. Aren’t you in SE NC?
Just took a peak at Freddy’s website.. the headliner is:
“Rush Limbaugh: Fred is the True Conservative”
So when Gingrich was interviewed on Brian Lehrer on wnyc a couple of weeks ago, I left a comment that there must be some error, that his book title was “Contract ON the Earth.” The moderator deleted it after checking to make sure that my comment was factually incorrect. Turns out a sarcasm button would have been quite useful to me then.
BTW American Samoa, DC, Guam, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands all have non-voting House members.
don’t know if this is a regular post or a news post, but Jane’s on a thread around here someplace.
http://firedoglake.com/2007/12…..eslappers/
I’m not voting for Hillary in the primary or the general. Period. The Colin Powell thing was a deal-breaker for me. If you are planning on giving Bush cabinet officers a job in your administration, you are not getting my vote. If you want to give them something, give them subpoenas or arrest warrants.
Whoops, looks like Rush ejaculated prematurely. Cleanup on Aisle 7.
haha not yet… still a few more steps to go: import the data to address book, check it, export as vcards, compress to zip, upload and give you the link for testing.
p.s. i’ve already done the weekly list of congressional committee hearings (click on my name)… only 23 scheduled. probably more will be added tomorrow.
Blub @ 143
See this:
Rudy
Giuliani (R) Hillary
Clinton (D) Other
(vol.) Neither
(vol.) Unsure
% % % % %
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45
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i did not include them.
Sorry.
cleter, Do vote your conscience in the Primary, but, please, god forbid, pull the lever for the Dem, even if it is Hill… I will not be happy, but…….
They can only argue, or, present legislation, nothing more…
But…but… Colin Powell is Very Serious. At least he looks Very Serious.
No. Why should I vote for somebody who wants to give Colin Powell an important foreign policy job? I didn’t vote for the last presidential candidate to do that. I’m not voting for one next time. Deal-breaker.
If the quote above is accurate, she did not say she would be appointing Colin to anything – if I am reading correctly. If she discusses the military with him, he probably is more well informed than most.
cleter, Hillary’s fault is the same as her husband’s.. a tendency to seek the middle road. As much as one can fault this approach in an environment where that “middle” got detoured far further to the right than anyone of us would be comfortable with, thanks to the jackboot rethugs we now have to contend with, one could scarcely risk the alternative — that the people on the other extreme, who caused the problem in the first place, come into office.. Jackboot Rudy, Flatulent Fred, Preacherman Huckabee. These are monsters who would complete our nation’s descent into darkness and fascism. However much we might question the choices of our Dem leaders, there’s still a massive difference, and I think we need to recognize it and act accordingly. If that means voting for.. nah, forget that, even if that means taking to the streets for Hillary, then I’ll do it.
Is someone gonna tell Hillary to stay away from Joe?
http://blog.wired.com/games/20…..eberm.html
I have a good sense of where Obama is coming from. Like all Washington politicians he’ll be very responsive to the NeoCon/Israeli lobby. I just think he might be a little less inclined to be a stooge of the pro-war lobby. Maybe that is just wishful thinking on my part.
I’d recommend against broadening the definition of PNAC/neocon to include everybody with whom we disagree. There’s a HUGE difference between the glorification of world conquest and global empire and mere pro-Israel/Islamic-threat-theory hawkishness.
Selise,
A special election has been called for December, according to
this
Given that Obama had the “foresight” to choose HoJo as his senate mentor, I believe you are correct that it is wishful thinking on your part.
Certainly was well informed about My Lai.
The reference is about half-way down the page.
If you’ve only been in Free Left Blogistan for a year or less it would behoove you to go on a crash
course in history.
Not trying to be dismissive merely pointing out that knowing your history is vital to political analysis.
You’re done if you don’t know quite a bit about it.
Except that there’s a bit of historical revisionism happening here. One, Reid announced the scheduled vote mere hours before it was held, the day after canceling it the night before and claiming it would not come up again that week. That’s why McCain, who would have been very happy to vote for such an amendment, missed it as well.
Obama’s campaign issued a “NO” statement within hours of the vote (see Politico for Sept 26), on the 26th. The idea that issuing a “NO” statement on a resolution that more Democrats voted for than against is somehow putting a finger into the air to choose the prevailing wind is cynical in the extreme, and is very disappointing for someone like Jane. It’s hard to think of Jane as uninformed, so I suspect some partisan black ops here. It’s simply not an honest take if you review the media from Sept 25-26.
thanks to all above who helped with correct number of representatives. hope i’ve got it right now.
here are your links for vCard contact info:
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Dear Blub; sucking up to Lieberman and FauxNews and Rupert Murdoch, and vowing to do rehab on Colin Powell, is NOT seeking the “middle road”.
It’s giving prostate-gland tongue massages to the bastards who’ve created the worst foreign-policy fuckup in our history. (With Clinton’s unapologetic help…)
cleter,
I was disappointed to hear that Hillary had discussed C. Powell with such esteem. Still, I am in agreement with CTuttle and Blub.
In the general election I will for vote the Dem that receives the nomination. No if, ands, or buts. I will also look forward to voting out several comfortable and money-bagged Democrats for more progressive and forward thinking Democratic candidates who will show us that they listen to We The People.
We The People must help take back our party. If you leave the party, how is that going to help us achieve those goals?
Google “kyl lieberman sept 25″. You’ll find several articles to indicate that not only was the vote scheduled for Tuesday, not Wednesday, but Obama showed up to vote for it.
If he was supposedly avoiding the vote for political reasons, why would he show up the first time?
The partisan spin on this doesn’t hold water. And without water, there’s no coming clean, bloggies.
That’s exactly the point. If Obama and Hilary don’t show leadership in the Senate, why would anyone think they could lead as President. Leadership means more than casting your own vote. It means standing up before the bill even comes up for the vote and speaking your mind and trying to influence the outcome. As President, they will just continue as lapdogs for the corporate establishment that is addicted to American Imperialism and perpetual war.
Where are they on the Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act 2007 that passed 405-6 over 1 month ago?. Silence. Guess we will have to wait to know what they think after it is voted in. Probably no one will even ask them.
pretty sad when ducking a vote counts for bravery. Obama ought to think twice about throwing stones from a glass house – he disgraces himself.
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Funny. You have no evidence that Obama was in favor oh Kyl
-Lieberman. But you still feel free to say he is putting his finger in the wind.
Is every issue covered on his web site. Didn’t think so.
So we can just make up any charge and throw it and hope it sticks. Got it.
when did obama leave dc for nh? (at what time on wednesday?)
Joe gave Clinton and Obama a wedgie. It was a no-win vote: a yes means you’re tough on state-sponsored terrorism but guarantees that the base will loathe you for what they mistakenly believe is a permission slip to launch war on Iran. A No vote means you’re a wimp who is being pussy shipped by the frickin’ muslims and you’re pacifist base who will not come to grips with the reality of post 9-11 America.
She took the bait, overestimating our intelligence. Obama punted. (Please, spare me the georgraphy lesson. Every other candidate got their asses back to DC on time)
I swear, this resolution was engineered by Rove as a going away present. The resolution, a toothless, sense-of-the-senate “opinion” has no effect on Cheney’s plans. He is on record as saying he doesn’t think he or Bush need permission to go to war with anybody they damn please. The whole point was NOT to use the resolution as an excuse to nuke Tehran (because it wouldn’t do that anyway).
It was to put the Democratic base off their food wrt Clinton, eho just as predictably failed to remember Clinton’s co-sponsorship of a measure in February that specifically forbids the administration from attacking Iran without Congressional approval.
But, wtf, let’s jump on her case and let Obama have a pass.
you obviously don’t know us very well here… so i’ll cut you some slack.
reid did not announce the vote an hour in advance – that was the UC request for the vote – and reid announced the amendment at the start of the day when he gave his morning schedule briefing as he almost always does.. and it’s clear from reading the congressional record and watching the video from the previous day that everyone knew the vote was coming up as soon as possible the next morning – since one of the amendments was his (and he had to get to the debate too).
please give me a link for your assertion that reid claimed the amendment “would not come up again that week” – because that’s just the opposite of what happened.
here are my links : one, two
i think someone is feeding you misinformation – and personally i’d like to know who your source is. are you willing to share?
Jane, You are absolutely correct that Obama has never shown any evidence that he opposed the Kyl-Lieberman Resolution. In fact, he was one of the first Democrats to co-sponsor the broadly identical S.970 which also designated the Iranian Revolutionary Guard as a “terrorist organization”.
It seems Obama found that his absence and failure to vote for the KL Resolution politically expedient for an attack. But he has never explained clearly why he supported S.970 and opposed the KL resolution. In fact, the latter had an amendment which specified that it could not, under any circumstances be construed as authorizing a military attack on Iran.
And, although he no longer serves in the Senate, John Edwards has also firmly stated many times that Iran is “the World’s Greatest State Sponsor of Terrorism” and that the Iranian military has funded, armed and trained terrorists in Syria, Lebanon and Israel. These comments were not in some veiled private slips, but in major policy speeches to groups like A*P*C and the Herzliya Institute, also attended by high ranking Bush Administration officials. These statements would undercut Edward’s ability to speak out against any “preemptive” strike by Bush as he has essentially stated that he would take “nothing off the table” to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons.
http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/011299.php
I just don’t understand why any Dem would want their president to cozy up to any Repub, whether Colin Powell or otherwise.
Why does Obama repeat Right-wing talking points? Does he really believe the things they do?
I want a Democrat from the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party.
I want a nominee who will pledge to give us all health care and to end the steady stream of dead American soldiers coming back from Iraq.
Obama doesn’t offer full medical coverage.
Hillary says we should ‘plan for the next war’ and labels part of the Iranian military as a ‘terrorist organization’.
Surely their supporters can find better choices in Edwards, Dodd, Biden or Richardson.
Is there a pattern of Obama missing controversial votes or votes that could cause some political discomfit later? It should be easy to check his State Senate record.
It does take a certain level of political chutzpah to attack someone else on a vote that you yourself didn’t make.
But the deciding factor will come down to the simple fact that the country is in such a mess that the people will not take a chance on someone with such a thin resume of experience at the national level coupled with his lack of any significant executive experience.
It’s hard to consider Obama a serious “Democratic” candidate, when remembering how he (Spring ‘06) worked against Russ Feingold’s rather moderate censure resolution against President Bush for not getting court orders for domestic wiretaps. His support of Lieberman for Senate last year is particularly odorous. He only e-mailed his support for Lamont, about a week before the election, and after Lieberman was showing a double-digit lead in the polls. Thanks, pal! For a really good analysis of Obama’s chameleon-like political skill, check out David Sirota’s June 8 ‘06 article “Mr. Obama goes to Washington” at The Nation.com. It was written a year and a half ago.
I used to visit Firedoglake almost daily, but I don’t anymore because you have to be really pro-Hillary to enjoy it now. What’s up with that?
Great site format, Jane! I’m noticing slippage here among Obama support. I too was willing to give this man open minded scrutiny. But he turns out to be the great hope of Republicans. He slips and slides and has no problem twisting his fiction. He’s not a progressive at all, and would make any deal to win at any cost. It’s good to see this play out now, before actual votes are cast. Hillary has my support, but even Edwards should win over Obama.