If you pick up an older economics textbook you’ll find a model of currency values that claims they’re based on trade flows. If your economy, as a whole, is exporting more goods than are coming in, your currency should appreciate in value. If your economy, as a whole, is importing more goods than it is exporting, your currency should depreciate in value.
That ideal world is indeed an ideal world, because there are significant benefits to an economy which operates that way. When you’re exporting more than you're importing the rise in your currency makes goods produced by other economies cheaper – encouraging you to import. Since the first step in import replacement is to, well, import something – that’s good. When you’re importing more than you’re exporting your currency will devalue making your goods more competitive on the market – hopefully selling more.
I discussed the cycle of import replacement in a prior post). The key thing is that import replacement tends to happen in bursts – an import replacement cycle in an economy rarely affects just one import – it affects a myriad of them in a cycle that generally lasts a few years, as the new work feeds off of itself. So during an import replacement binge the host currency generally increases significantly because a lot of imports are being replaced. When the import replacement binge ends the currency is significantly higher and over a period of years the new prosperity is used to import new goods – hopefully, in the end, leading to another import replacement binge.
In other words an import replacement binge will lead to higher demand for imported goods in the long run – but obviously they won’t be the same goods as the ones that used to be imported.
That’s in an ideal world, but alas, we do not live in the best of all possible worlds.
In the real world the main problems are twofold. The first is that trade doesn’t drive currency except, perhaps, in the very long run (longer than the cycle of import replacement in a healthy economy). Foreign exchange markets drive it and central banks drive it. There’s too much hot money and it isn’t trade related – it goes to the highest return and it’s very fickle, literally able to move into and out of markets in minutes, days or weeks at the very most. Those foreign exchange markets are driven by return – and for short term money return is short term interest rates – these rates are almost always effectively set by the various national banks like the US Federal Reserve, the Bank of Canada or the European Central Bank. In addition, countries buy large amounts of foreign currency in direct manipulation of currency values (China, for example has spent as much as 10% of GDP in a year on keeping the Yuan stable against the dollar.) The volume of hot money and government intervention is magnitudes larger than the amount of money that is actually used in trade, and as a result it tends to overwhelm the effect of trade flows, at least in the short to middle run.
The second problem is the way we decide what areas get a currency. It’s political. As Jane Jacobs has pointed out, on the face of it, any system of measuring economies and assigning currencies that treats Singapore and the United States the same would appear to have some problems.
Economically active regions don’t have to correspond to countries. In fact they tend to correspond to metropolitan areas (not so much cities anymore). In Canada you would have an area around Montreal, the Golden Horseshoe centered on Toronto, the Lower Mainland (centered on Vancouver) and an area around Edmonton.
That’s really it. The problem is that those areas share one monetary policy and one currency. So, as Jacobs pointed out in Dark Age Ahead, in the early nineties you had Vancouver booming while the rest of the country was in recession – it was in an import replacement period. What should have been happening is that the Canadian dollar should have been rising. But since the other areas (especially the Toronto area) are much larger, the dollar was dropping instead.
That means that Vancouver was getting inappropriate feedback. More than that it was getting inappropriate feedback as well because the Bank of Canada was pursuing monetary policies suitable to an economy in recession – not one that was booming.
This sort of thing happens all the time. Europe is not one economic area, for example, yet the members of the currency union share one currency and one central bank. The argument for this, that it encourages trade within the country and that it means that local governments can’t use monetary policy when fiscal is called for (as the US has done over the past years) is true. The downside is that internal economic areas aren’t getting the feedback they need – either from trade flow caused currency feedback or from monetary policy that takes into account that what’s appropriate in one regional economy may not be appropriate in another.
If a region that has undergone an import replacement binge doesn’t get the higher currency rate it needs after the binge, then it can’t bring in as many new imports as it wants to – which means the next import replacement binge may not occur and it isn’t buying as many goods from other areas as it otherwise would – which is bad for them.
If, on the other hand, an area has imported a lot of goods and not yet done an import replacement period, but the currency stays lower than trade flows would mandate, it may not have that import replacement period – because the goods are too cheap for local producers to compete with. Dropping currency is a de facto support not only for exports but for local production – for import replacement.
As a practical matter what happens is that the strongest economy gets the feedback it needs. England used to have many vibrant cities, but one by one they were strangled by feedback appropriate only for one of them – London.
And this is why I didn’t support the Euro – it’s also why I do support putting some sort of international tax on hot money. Systems that don’t receive the feedback they need respond in inappropriate ways and over time responding inappropriately will kill them. The benefits of universal currencies do not, in my opinion, outweigh the disadvantages of them and as for the currency market, it has gone far beyond any sort of useful hedging function into the realm of massively destructive speculation (you may wish to ask the Thais about that.)
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Bedlam is dreaming of RAIN!
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Balrog is dreaming of snow.
Oops, it’s not a dream.
Hello, Ian — now to read….
Ian!
I let downstairs know, however, didn’t link properly. Hi there, Ian. Love the spiral.
Hi Ian. Is that a photo of some chocolate being added to a peanutbutter cake mix?
Now to read. Btw, I had to go all the way out of FDL to be able to come back and see this thread.
The link downstairs worked just fine for me. Thanks.
Look at all the “f”’s…..hmmmmm
Not really related but tangential in re: Econ 101 is Thompson’s & Huckabee’s hacktacular ideas for new tax schedules. As expected, they favor the already wealthy.
Ian, can you tell us about your avatar?
Ian, could you interpret hot money as venture capital?
Bedlam is dreaming of RAIN!
Is it that Bedlam is no longer dreaming, or that we no longer care?
Ian says “it has gone far beyond any sort of useful hedging function into the realm of massively destructive speculation (you may wish to ask the Thais about that.)”
Not that there’s anything particularly new about this; Remember Black Wednesday? I do.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Wednesday
Mods - please help me remove the “f” by my comment…thanks…it goes directly to FDL….TMI.
Probably because the “f’s” have all registered before the new format change????
Not really related but tangential in re: Econ 101 is Thompson’s & Huckabee’s hacktacular ideas for new tax schedules. As expected, they favor the already wealthy.
Did you see this?
http://www.thecarpetbaggerrepo…..13778.html
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We’ve got the rain that Bedlam has been dreaming of here is SoCal. And the most beautiful rainbow!
First time I was able to post all day.
Bedlam is dreaming of RAIN!
Good post, Ian. You hit most of the salient points, and given how complex currency fluctuations & consequences are, that’s mighty high praise.
When I was on Wall St., the currency forecasters were the ones farthest off the mark because of all the interactions you describe.
I’m just going to dip my toe in from time to time. Going to read a bood this evening, I think. See ya later.
Aloha, CC! You made the leap! Snazzy digs, eh? 8-)
Grumble. I’ll be dreaming of rain for the next 4 months.
I’d better start looking for educational options in San Diego again.
Sure is. Gets better each time. Seems like only yesterday we were on wordpress.
BTW, a few of us are planning a NYC area meetup sometime soon. If anyone wants to join us & hasn’t emailed me yet, send me one at rosannecahn at aol dot com.
I may be in NYC in February. Keep me posted please.
Hi Ian!
I apologize Ian, I’m just trying to get rid of the “f”. Test.
The world is flattened.
Or at least the workers are.
Ans speaking of currency flows:
Looks like Wall Street took those rubes in Norway
for a ride.
These are my favorite posts. I want a California dollar, and I want it right now.
I agree! However, I’ve a lot of work ahead of me, to figure out the new fangled bells and whistles… 10% smarter, is all my Granpappy used to say… ;-)
Enter your login screen by clicking the “f”, delete the facebook information in the lower right, and save changes.
Terra Securities! Too funny.
Ian,
I’m mean this as a legitimate question, not as a cheap shot; what exactly is the point you are trying to make?
The entire discussion of the import replacement cycle seems to be completely academic. Your own statement - “The first is that trade doesn’t drive currency except, perhaps, in the very long run (longer than the cycle of import replacement in a healthy economy). Foreign exchange markets drive it and central banks drive it.” - seems to make the rest of this moot except as general interest.
And that, if I’m understanding correctly, would be true even if we hadn’t been awash in global liquidity through forex and central bank manipulation.
Decided to get yourself an education, Balrog? JK, the weerog is still a tad young…
LS, I think the F came with us from the old haunt, and that’s why we didn’t have to re-register.
Heh, what’s your take on the new enviro, TLM? *g*
Ian can you explain again (to this idiot) how imports / exports determine the value of a currency?
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Having the Euro for a large economy like Europe is no more irrational than having the dollar as the national currency of the United States.
Free markets don’t really exist so currency markets aren’t likely to be either. A shorter way of saying this is that currency markets are not driven by purely economic forces.
Finally, the dollar has a unique position among currencies because of its international quality much more so than the Euro, yen, or yuan (at least for now). What this means is that we can pay for goods and services simply by printing more money. As long as no one calls us on it, we can do this for as long as others are willing to let us get away with it. Folks did call us on it in the oil markets and oil’s base price increased to the $75-78 range (the difference between that and $90/bbl is pure speculation), but it did not strike us across the board largely because there are a lot of fears out there that a contraction here will lead to a contraction in the rest of the world.
On this thread, it looks like comment attributions on reply are working correctly, unlike the next post downstairs.
Ian, I am interested in a comment about the hedge fund money that is short Japan bonds and long US bonds, because US bonds pay more interest. I believe it is a Very popular trade and when anything becomes popular, there is the risk it becomes hard to undo the trade.
I don’t know if this something Ian follows, but I would like an discussion of the mystery meat and crony capitalist kitchen sinkism that has been put into the recent trade agreements (for example, CAFTA). I have often expressed opinions that there is a lot of mystery meat put into them that has nothing to do with free trade but rather are stuffed full of quesitonable crony capitalist financial innovations, but have not had time to follow them recently, and now am spouting from knoweledge that is several years old (so maybe I should stop). And what does Ian think of bilateral trade agreements -bad in general, and has BushCo used them for what good they can do, or not.
*poof* Gone… ;-)
I understood that interest rates and the supply of money actually is what effects the value of a currency. If there lots of it around it cause inflation and loss of value of the currency. Isn’t that how they heat and cool the economy?
So that would be REM rain, right?
No, thanks, I hadn’t read Steve Benen in a couple of days.
But I did write this today about Michael Kinsley’s piece in the LATimes.
That’s the Conventional Wisdom I’d always heard…
OK this is something I need help with. A derivative is a bet and has nothing to do with any product. If people create them and trade them, isn’t his like printing money?
Regional currencies! California is the 10th largest econ should have control over their monetary policy. Isn’t that what the regional Feds are for? The Huge infusion of capital by the Central Banks of the world…is that hot money?
Your looking under the financial carpet and revealing how broken the financial system is much like the political system. The big player run off with the collective capital while working folks lose their retirement to become slaves for life! Where are we headed here?
Testing…
My dumb understanding of international trade is that if you don’t produce than you have to buy and if you print money to buy then those who receive it for payment need to use IT to buy what they need. But then they come in and buy the assets in YOUR country as Dubai is doing and other offshore investors are and soon they own all of america. Isn’t that what happens when you have nothing to export?
Ian, aren’t you arguing for local, state-based currencies, then?
I’m writing this from Michigan, which has the worst economy in the entire nation and is likely to continue to hemmorhage jobs for another 2-3 years. We’re not “exporting” cars out of the state at the same rate we’re “exporting” jobs, will not likely see a turn-around of the overall state economy until the state has managed to elevate some other industry above autos.
???
[Jane: Wow, I knew this was coming, but wow…nice subtle nod to the Great Orange Satan with this color combination. ;-) ]
I’m in!!!
Sorry, now back to topic.
A flat tax is regressive, Period! The Flat-Earthers are still mired in the kelp on Galapagos… ;-)
Shouldn’t currency speculation be illegal.. it certainly seems unethical?
Can’t we push toward work that produces something instead of fees and so forth. We seem to have gone from agrarian to industrial to service to financial which is nothing more than trading money. OUCH
Bonne Soir, Ma Cheri!
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From Think Progress”
A new investigation by ABC News finds that many counselors and therapists believe that instead, “too often the U.S. military is trying to medicate the problem away.” “Pretty much every person in my caseload is medicated, heavily medicated,”
Globalization has made some big players very wealthy, but completely failed to support the workers and the 99% of the people who are not traders, but actually DO something.
The global system will collapse as the oil based economy collapses and we’ll have to move to local sustainable economies because the large scale economies are so course they crush all human needs.
Good post Ian - your tackling of complex issues in plain english is admirable.
Reilly @36: Ian makes the point that currency values are more directly associated with demand and that demand is driven more by central banks pursuing particular economic policies and a bunch of gamblers than trade. This is why trditional textbook analyses linking currency depreciation to import substitution and export growth no longer work effectively.
Just like their Blackwater Brethren… ;-)
Well, I don’t mind academic posts. Maybe I am reading my own opinions into the post, but the practical lesson here is that in the real world, the link between changes in real trade balances and currency values needed for moving from one efficient equilibrium to another is much more complicated that in econ 101 textbook models. But for the last decade at least, the econ 101 textbook model has ruled the international trade and financial policy world (at least for those too weak to gain themselves an exception).
There is no well accepted economic theory that integrates trade in real goods (that is, the actual real goods and services that provide us utility: food, roof, medical care, x-boxes) and the kind of money we use, and the financial system we use. Putting those two together is handwaving, stories and analogies. So even if there is no explicit link to a current crisis, I think it is good to be reminded of this from time to time.
It is interesting that this shows up as a response to me when it is, in fact, a reply to SteveAudio. This is a reason why putting in the quote automatically would be useful as it was done in the old system.
and it looks like the intervention of the central banks is not able to address the underlying issues, as much as bail out the investor and financial instrument traders.
There’s a lot of smoke and mirrors in those financial instruments.
You can have some of ours! It rained all day yesterday and half of today. Most people here like rain, since we so rarely get rain. OTOH, I hate rain. Makes me in a bad mood. So take it away, I’m done with it.
Oh, I can see it now! It would look like a sand dollar! :-)
It’s lost in Translation…!
I’m still getting used to the new site. I’ll make real comments later :)
I am torn. I like to be able to refer to the post I am referencing without having to find it again. But it can be messy.
When you have hedge fun managers making billions a year for doing nothing… the economy is in deep doo.
Hey!! Please make that EIGHTH largest economy in the world. After we build our bullet trains and get some alternative energy programs going… just watch.
By the way, I like the new site, but all that stuff about ‘the other side’ and the big mystery…. wasn’t that clip last night was from Sound of Music?.. Austria… I thought FDL had presuaded Schwarzenegger to move from the Dark Side the to the forces of Good and become a Democrat. Oh well…
Wow I can finally log in. Congrats on the site, lookin-good!
How does one manually embed on windoze using FF?
I tried to get rid of my “f”, but no luck. It takes me to my page, but there is nothing on the bottom but messages.
Now that it’s getting dark outside, I can relate to what people were saying about a cream or beige background. It’s kinda bright!
I tried to get rid of my “f”, but no luck. It takes me to my page, but there is nothing on the bottom but messages.
Me too.
Truly, an f’ing shame. *g*
Do you mean embed a quote? If so, copy the text you want to quote; create a
tag pair; paste the copied text between the opening and closing blockquote tags. HTH
I’m liking Judge Lamberth.
Hugh (at 78) makes the first joke on the new spiffed-up site! (At least that I’ve seen!)
Let’s try that one more time.
Do you mean embed a quote? If so, copy the text you want to quote; create a
blockquote tag pair; paste the copied text between the opening and closing blockquote tags. HTH
Bilbo December 1st, 2007 at 4:59 pm
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In response to CTuttle @ 75
How does one manually embed on windoze using FF?
Do you mean embed a quote? If so, copy the text you want to quote; create a
tag pair; paste the copied text between the opening and closing blockquote tags. HTH
Tag Pair?
I tried to get rid of my “f”, but no luck. It takes me to my page, but there is nothing on the bottom but messages.
Me too.
Truly, an f’ing shame. *g*
tough room…
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I See… said the blind mouse… 8-)
So, I tried to sign up this AM, no luck, but now I cannot go back to my old self. Can we edit our sign on somehow?
I think you have it now. The concept is:
[blockquote]
Text to be quoted
[/blockquote]
but, substitute angle brackets for square brackets.
greenwarrior test for double nest
bgrothus-or whoever you are!- Try just logging on as your old self.
Danke Schoen!
You can also select the text in your comment and hit the quotation icon on the comment toolbar.
I really like “Click here to load them!”
This is the same Administration that it can engage in unlimited surveillance of us on the basis of “If you have nothing to hide, why should you care?” But when it comes to access to information on them that has been accessible to the pulbic and even the Congress, they do everything in their power to hide it.
It works… ;-)
To nest quote:
[blockquote]
First level of quoting
[blockquote]
Second level of quoting
[/blockquote]
[/blockquote]
angle brackets for square brackets
Fern, I like it.
My last comment reads like one extended typo.
e.g.
Naomi Klein is being headlined at C&L… http://www.crooksandliars.com/…../#comments
we know what you mean - iokiyar
driving by…
Wow — I see FDL has spiffed up a bit! Was at work all day and had no clue. Looks nice!
Now I am checking to see if I can do quotes within quotes the same way.
But what you said is absolutely right. These people truly believe they are better than everyone else, don’t they? Rove honest-to-christ thinks he can re-write history, and that nobody should question him. They all need a little dose of reality.
(((LL)))
Okay, I’m starting to get out from behind the curve… 8-)
I`ll stop soon.
Why does this make my head hurt?
I would love to learn how to get the space back in my name.
Ian, sorry responses to your fine post are getting kinda lost in figuring the new place out.
Machts nicht.
AND… I think Ed*ward Teller should get his * back.
You can also select the text in your comment and hit the quotation icon on the comment toolbar.
Fern, I like it.
Now I am checking to see if I can do quotes within quotes the same way.
fern, how did you do that? when i copy and paste the text the internal block quotes don’t come with it?
True, I humbly apologize, Ian! *g*
This AM did FDL did not remember me, I tried to re-up but had to use different info, using my e-mail. Now it remembers old me, but says my e-mail ID is taken(I guess, by new me). So am I stuck or what can I do go return as my old self?
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No they don`t. Once you have copied and pasted into your comment. select the text you want `quotified` and hit the quotation mark icon above. If you want to have quotes within quotes, do this first with the oldest bit, then select and repeat with that PLUS the next level of quote.
Hope this makes sense.
the real reason trade doesn’t work is that corporations that import or export are trying to take advantage of the economies where they don’t have to pay their own bills
if a company can do business where they don’t have to pay for their own workers health, they do business there, if they can do business where they don’t have to pay for the roads they need to survive, they do business there, if they don’t have to pay to clean the crap out of the air and the water then that’s where they do business
that’s the ticket, if a business is creating their product in a country that has everyone else paying their bills then we need to tariff that product until they are actually paying for the assets they use
this is really simple stuff but the fact that they are manufacturing wherever they can get everyone else to pay their bills is just not framed that way
if it were there would be far less imports and Americans wouldn’t be buying the spoils of slave labor, child labor and robber barons
Site looks wonderful. And thanks to all who are helping the rest of us get the hang of new comment procedures.
Leaving for the evening, but first…
This Sun. NYT article on a production of Waiting for Godot to be performed outside in the wrecked Gentilly neighborhood of NOLA caught my eye.
I’m hoping link will turn out right:
A Broken City. A Tree. Evening.
am hoping to follow in the way of fern….
Cut what you want to quote from in a response you want to reply to…hit Reply…when the screen comes up…hit ” in tool bar…paste what you are quoting “between” the blockquote>..
Left off the OT label on #120. Sorry Ian. Just finished reading your excellent post. Love that spiral design, but after reading post, may I suggest a Mandelbrot design ;-)
The trouble with using the quote button for nested quotes is that each click of the button creates a separate set of tag:
[blockquote][/blockquote][blockquote][/blockquote]
sub angle brackets for square brackets
But for nesting you need to open one blockquote, enter your first level quote, open a second blockquote, enter your second level of quote, and then create two closeblockquote tags, one after the other:
[blockquote]Level 1 quote
[blockquote]Level 2 quote[/blockquote]
[/blockquote]
Oh, God… head is exploding…
Ian, this is a really interesting post. I had never known or thought about this before, it makes sense. Norway is not part of the Euro, probably for reasons you make clear.
beta-testing stuff: (Sorry, Ian; thought-requiring post, BTW. Going to have to read that several times.)
As I see it, there’s still a problem, because in order to pick up this doubly nested comment, I had to recreate the two levels manually.
I would point out that since so many commenters are figuring out how to do nested quotes, it would make sense to automate that facility, rather than make commenters go through an error-prone process. (What part of my new pasted text was in the outer level, which is level 2, which in level 3, etc.) (And getting the attributions right still isn’t solved by the manual method.)
Ooh! I just discovered that the edit window can be stretched vertically. I like that.
Unfortunately, ‘Preview’ still does no such thing. I guess the people in the back room know that by now …
LOL
Cut what you want to quote from in a response you want to reply to…hit Reply…when the screen comes up…hit ” in tool bar…paste what you are quoting “between” the blockquote>..
Hmmm… Test
Hmmm….
bgrothus, tell us who you are and we can start getting used to your new name?
ok, now that i seem to have become a journeywoman in the fine art of manual nesting using blockquotes (watch your head lectriclady), can someone tell me in great big baby steps how to do what Marie Roget did @120 (link to something, giving the link whatever name you want to in the comment). *hangs head in shame, admitting she never knew how to do this on yesterday’s fdl either*
Slightly off topic but…
Naomi Klein in her FDL book salon discussion of Shock Doctrine brought up the topic of True Trade. It’s pretty revolutionary actually — it’s fair trade plus complete transparency. Basically a true trade item shows you how much of the purchase price goes to the laborer who made the item and how much goes to marketing, transportation, tariffs etc. I did a blog post about the idea (here).
Another great post Ian!
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Double happiness, a post of Ian’s and a new look FDL.
So I dropped the old look username, moose, in favor of the one I tend to use most other places.
Congrats on the New, Improved! FDL.
Since preview isn’t working very well, I have to actually post this to be sure I have it right. lectriclady, avert your eyes.
<a href=”http://firedoglake.com”>This is a link for Firedoglake<a>
Derby Day!
Had to go back to the previous post cited and grab a definition of ‘import replacement’, to wit:
My fear for some years now has been that when the crunch comes, the U.S. will not be able to perform ‘import replacement’ because it will no longer have the manufacturng base to make things. One reason that we do not have the manufacturing base that we used to have is that price has become almighty. I can go to a local store and buy a very inexpensive rack of coat hooks; the hooks will be cast from pot metal and will break within months, and the mounting screws will not have any slots in their heads, BUT ‘the price is right’. We apparently have forgotten to demand even minimal quality in our goods. The Germans, last time I looked, still did, and their manufacturing base must be in relatively good shape.
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Hitting my head here.
I like your site!!
This one is correct. 136 has an error.
<a href=”http://firedoglake.com”>This is a link for Firedoglake</a>
Evening all. Good to see everybody.
Ian, as always, you have added to my knowledge and sharpened my understanding. I can’t believe I don’t have to pay you. :)
First time I’ve been able to log in all day. Is there supposed to be a “refresh comments”, or am I just missing it?
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Should look like this.
Rehit head.
Why do some people have spaces in their names? Is there something you did to get that?
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one more try. What is the HTML to make this work???
Every day can’t be Derby Day!
You and me both - I M bobo
LooHoo, does this mean I can’t go back? I don’t like it.
Evening, actually it will show if there are new comments posted, the wheel is long gone…
Greenwarrior,
Go to the article you want to share. 2. Click on the URL at the top of your screen (http…) 3. Go edit to copy 4. Back to the FDL comment box, and put in your comment. 5. Highlight the word you want to use as your link, and click the link icon above the comment box. 6. Erase the http. that is already there in the box that comes up. 7. Edit to paste.
That’s it. Hit the submit comment button.
OMG LooHoo you’ve been beamed back in time!!!
I don’t get it. Why won’t Wordpress(or whomever) allow you to have spaces in your name?
Loo Hoo:
How do you get that space to appear in your name?
Just worked that way when I logged in. I tried to register, but it didn’t work. But it worked by simply logging in.
That’s how they played states off against each other too, especially back in the Age of Rea
sogan. Corps were blackmailing states to lower personal tax rates so the executives would deign to put/keep jobs there.Notice, pups, that I also have a period!!
Damn you!!! ;-)
i have spaces…don’t know how…
bgrothus, I don’t know. When things slow down the webmaster may be able to answer your question. You too Joe Klein’s Conscience.
woo hoo! my activation email key just FINALLY arrived! what i’d miss?
OT: I hope all the hypocrisy of Rudy just keeps oozing out. It appears to me he has never met a rule/law he think applies to him. Bailed on the 9/11 commission when you would think he would want to contribute and be a part of serious security planning. Now the money, cops, travel etc. Folks say we do not elect a first lady: First, this is no lady, and I think the voters truly look for something that passes for integrity. My how hard they all were on Bill Clinton. I think the sleaze factor in the Rudy/Judy plot is too obvious and too noxious. How close do we want hints of the mob in the White House?
Hi Pups!
Let’s work to keep the FDL troubleshooting in this or the prior thread, as Phoenix Woman is about to post.
Thanks!
Hello, selise!
((lurking mod))
selise, I have been worried sick about you! Howdy.
Loo Hoo:
I figured I wouldn’t be able to use JKC anymore, but I had a new user name figured out but it had spaces. Ugh!!! Did you sign up on Wordpress a long time ago?
This happened to me. I hit the forgot your password and got sent a new password. Then I went to the profile in the administrative tools and changed my password to something I could remember. And it let me in.
How do we know when PW is up?
We were all saying very deep and meaningful things, probably not worth going back and checking though. Just take our word for it. *g*
Like this. I hope this is a link to the new post.
sorry about that… think my email must have gotten lost in the toobz for a bit.
The password is not the problem. It is my ID. I want be who I was not who I am now.
Heh, Senator Akaka has a few words for George Will…
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http://www.hawaiitribune-heral…..ters02.txt
http://firedoglake.com/2007/12…..r-the-gop/
new thread
test only. please ignore.
Off To the Lake
One more try. Here.
Oh…this is rich…Rudy made NYPD walk and poop and scoop Judy Nathan’s dog:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/1/143717/022
I STILL think Ed*ard Teller should get his * back!
Testing:
Blah, Blah…can you believe the SOB would do it, blah, blah. Make NYPD walk Judy’s dog?
PW is upstairs-
Come Saturday Evening: Strib Straps On the Kneepads for the GOP
since this is a test thread… i’ll give it a try…
link test
bold test
italics test
strike testTest. Go to the
://firedoglake.com/.
Selise, you blow my mind!
hmmm… i see that readers who have not registered and logged in (aka lurkers) do have have access to the “new comments” function…. looks like they will have to reload the entire page to see new comments. hope that is not a problem for the servers.
what’d i do?
are there some new rules i unknowingly have already broken?
Test. http://firedoglake.com/.
You know what you are doing! I am bowing down to you in figuring this all out!
But it was through the password change that I hooked up to my name. Basically, I tried to register. It wouldn’t let me so I hit the forgot password and I got in through the backdoor to my old name.
Is there something equivalent to the Previouw | Home | Next line of the previous incarnation? That functionality is sorely missed by me at least.
test. lake
lol… it took me ’till now to even get logged in.
See, I can’t even to the “replying to” part right. You are light years ahead of me.
i have no clue how to do nested blockquotes!
but my motto is that ignorance should be no impediment (because it is a curable condition)
whew! now, that i’ve got this linking part, or for that matter, the quoting part, i’d be happy to show you if you’d like. i’ll try hard not to explode your head. i await your command.
thank you very much to {{{bilbo and loo hoo.}}}}.
we are all smarter when we work together!
Certainly is… *g*
ok, good enough for now. off to the next thread.
o techie gods: when we hit the reply button, the ‘in response to’ number that gets brought up is for the response previous. this looked like this was fixed for a while, but now we seem to have it back again.
good thing too!
OK, I tried this. What else do I need to know?
Obviously I didn’t do it right because the “nesting” part didn’t work.
For bold, italic, underline, strikeout or quote, select the text you want in that style, then hit the B, I U
ABCor. Same thing for links, but it’s one step harder. Select the text you want to be a link cool article here, hit the chain icon, and it prompts you for the “http:”. Then you need to go to the address bar in your browser window, double click (so it’s all highlighted), hit Edit->Copy (or control-C) and Edit->Paste (or Control-P).
use your blockquote button twice. first for the all inclusive quote, and the second time for the smaller embedded quote.
if that makes any sense.
I’m guessing this is a similar situation to the old ways when a comment got spammed off the thread. Some folks, who maybe hadn’t done a hard refresh would have different numbering than those who came later or did do a hard refresh for what ever reason
go here
you got it!!!
Did I get it right? If so, now I need to figure out the “in response to” part. This was so easy in the last version.
ooops, i should have said that was a test.
you go
girllady.Selise, Thanks! I love your comments on this site and am so thrilled that you took the time to give me some pointers.
Now, if somebody could tell me how to get the space back in my name…
thank you for the kind words.
you would not believe all the help i’ve gotten from people on this site. just trying to pass it on!
beta-testing stuff: This was a comment in the upstairs thread, but the mods told me to bring it down here. –> OK. Now, this is interesting (but only if you are someone trying to stamp out beta-bugs!) I put in a comment which came out numbered #58. I was replying to a comment of punaise’s which showed up as being #50. I clicked on ‘Reply’ and indeed it showed that I was replying to “punaise @ 50″. YET, when that comment showed up, it said I was replying to ‘punaise @ 52′. So, the glitch is somewhere between grabbing the comment number to display above the edit window and the assignment of the replied-to comment number for display in the message. (Weird, I would have thought.)
spaces? i have no clue… we should probably keep a list of all the unanswered questions… maybe there will be a help/tech thread in a day or two. i’m hoping!
did you try reloading the whole page to see if the numbers had changed?
OK, I will just wait for some late night when the mods might be able to take me back to where I was before I wish I had not tried to log on this morning when my old name was no good. If I had been patient, I could have waited until the new house recognized me and would have had no trouble. Oh. Well.
Ok, let me see how this works…
and as I replied in the thread above:
wishlist: The old site had a simple navigation bar at the top: {name of prrevious post} | Home | {name of next post}. If this site has such, I can’t find it. The ease-of-use suffers a lot by not having any way to move between threads. (Now I’ll find out that it has been replaced by a list of all threads that’s living n a drop-down menu somewhere north of the ads …)
try logging out and then just coming back in without logging in and see if it recognizes the old you.
wishlist: The old ‘Edit this text’ or whatever it said — the one what showed up under your new post and let you modify things for 5 minutes, if everything went well, was A REALLY GOOD THING — especially for those of us who don’t see typos until the comment is set in stone.
wishlist: hmmm. There’s a nice dropdown menu called Toolbox right there. Could that be moved top and maybe center? Could that have a list of recent thread titles, newest at top, with the current title highlighted or some such?
It sorta feels like moving to a new school and not knowing anybody cause everything looks so different.
Sorry I missed this folks. Had the flu and slept right through post/comment time. I should be back next week.