(We’ll be postponing the Les Leopold Book Salon to give our tech superheroes time to iron out the glitches with the new template. In the mean time, you can never have enough Joke Line…)
Dan Gillmor of the Center for Citizen Media weighs in:
The furor surrounding Joe Klein’s misguided column of a week ago continues, incredibly, given Klein’s bizarre insistence on digging the hole deeper instead of forthrightly acknowledging error(s) and moving on. But this is not just about a columnist’s mistakes and tone-deafness. This is a debacle for the publication and company that employs him, because Time itself has compounded the problem, demonstrating contempt for its audience.
Ouch.
In a not unrelated matter, Glenn Greenwald also today discusses the Washington Post’s embarrassing participation in (and defense of) the recent smear against Barack Obama:
This is without question one of the most significant problems in how our establishment media functions. They refuse to subject claims — particularly claims from the GOP power structure and the right-wing noise machine which they fear — to any critical scrutiny.
For various reasons, they simply will not investigate such claims and, when warranted, identify such claims as false. The most they are willing to do is simply write down each side’s claims and treat them equally, even when one side is blatantly lying. GOP operatives know that this is how the press functions and thus know that they can easily get away with spewing lies, and can even recruit the media into helpfully spreading them (using the predominant "he-said/she-said" template). That’s the same process that led us into Iraq, kept us there for so long, protected endless presidential lawbreaking and enabled all sorts of fact-free smears.
I would add that the journalist-as-stenographer problem is compounded by the fact that people like Joe Klein are not just "treating both sides equally," they are practicing virtually no appropriate skepticism about their sources. I mean, what was he doing talking to Pete Hoekstra anyway? Klein should have by rights outed Hoekstra for passing on bad information anonymously, but Hoekstra did him a favor by exposing himself, which doesn’t really matter because Klein didn’t think he was wrong and wouldn’t have done it anyway….
Why do I feel like my head is at the center of a Rubics cube every time these things come up. Really, it’s exhausting.
Related posts:
- Joe Klein: Still Haunted by His Shoddy FISA Reporting
- Reply to Ezra Klein on the Importance of the Public Option and Exchanges (Part II)
- Joke vs. the Volcano: Klein, Bowe Bergdahl, and those Pesky “Civil Liberties Absolutists”
- Ezra Klein Still Thinks the 2001 Bush Tax Cuts were a Victory for Centrists
- Ezra Klein Still Doesn’t Get the Point About Exchanges and the Public Option
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Keep up the good work, Jane! Lovin’ the new look blog. You’re an inspiration…
Testing 1-2-3!
Thanks for hanging in there today, everyone. The good news is that we’ve had tons of people registering and visiting the site, and that our tech staff seems to have fixed our major glitches and are now drinking.
The bad news is — I still don’t drink.
Thanks Jane, As I mentioned down stairs a few floors. The new site looks terrific. Plus congratulations on all the ads! Throwing Jokeline in the mix early on is terrific.
Congratulations on the spiffy updates and cheers (with chamomile tea)!
You and me both…but I know some folks who are making up the difference right about now.
eek! I can’t imagine! I’ll hoist one in your honor right now. not that it does you any good, but the thought was there.
Jane!
I like how Lil’ Debbie responded to the Obama situation in her column this week:
After all, it was far more important for her to address the complaints and problems folks had with the coverage of Sean Taylor’s murder this week than the complaints dealing with coverage of a Presidential candidate
Jane, I think they were drinking BEFORE they fixed all the glitches. Every time I try to log in it doesn’t recognize my password. I tried to go to my profile to update my password and add bio info, and when I hit the “update” button it just blanked everything out. HUH?
The site looks terrific Jane. Love how you guys continue to make everything better around here. The idea of registering has to make site maintenance/moderation easier.
BTW, thank goodness I do drink and was enjoying a glass of wine last night when I saw the “Goodbye” headline. *g* Almost had a heart attack.
I like the new FDL look. And good for you for highlighting GG’s post. He is really amazing, both for his clarity and for his tenacity.
It was worth the wait, Jane. The site is working much better now.
Hat’s off to all the behind the scene techies.
Jane all day..just like the old days..things seem to be getting better with the glitches..
Mahalo, Jane and the crew! It’s definitely picking up speed and the bumps are being smoothed over… I like the new digs… *g*
I quit drinking almost 15 years ago, it’s no big loss.
“Bedlam is dreaming of rain”…
I miss that… otherwise, bravo! And I’ll be happy to stand in as your designated drinker, Jane…
Morris, I was just, about 5 minutes ago, wondering where you were!
These creeps think that if they are “in” gov they wouldn’t lie. Now that’s where they go wrong immediately. They all have agendas and the rights are pretty well known, by now, and are pretty suspect… as in someone’s making out by one of their statements or policies.
When a repuke speaks… the question is always. Cui Bono? Not… reporting it as fact… as you learned in steno school.
I quit drinking about 20 years ago. So Jane, Raven1 and I all have something in common with– Dumbya!
PeterPierce from last thread
Thanks so much. Yours was the only suggestion that worked for increasing font size. I’ve put my magnifying goggles back in the drawer.
site looks good here :)
well.. I’m registered.. just thought I’d test out my newly “registered” identity :)
Why am I thinking of Tom Waits’ “The Piano has been Drinking?”
WRT Obama the “Muslim”. This is a guy who candidly disclosed his youthful drug use (like 80% of Americans under the age of 60 haven’t smoked pot at some point) so if he was a Muslim (not that there’s anything wrong with that) don’t you think he would have disclosed that?
I haven’t quit… I never started.
Site is taking off… Whoppppppppppppie Now some new features pulheeeeeeese
Ahhhhh!
Seems to be fixed!
About Joke Line: Isn’t that why we call him Joke Line? Glen is a must read every day.
It’s improving by the minute. Had a few glitches but now it seems to be moving right along.
Thanks Jane. The place needed a little facelift.
I am looking forward to you and your commentators to keep me happily informed as to the goings on in our country. Did I say it was snowing here and we have fire in the fire place going and…..well it’s been a real nice day!!!
Hope you all enjoys yours!!!!!!
Maybe not, those maniacs would want behead him for violating the command!
Congrats Jane & all at FDL that made the new site. No doubt lots of work but it looks great. Too many new bells and whistles to absorb all at once!
Can’t see any problem with Rudy getting the tax payer to fund his trysts… he is entitled right? Aren’t all goopers entitled?
It felt/feels good waking up in the mornings without that dull throb of a low grade hangover/headache doesn’t it?
I personally would like gouliani as their candidate. He would be such a target.
Me thinks the ziggurat is an extinct building species here now. :-8
Congrats on the new site, Jane. Response seems very snappy now. Guess many have finished registering now and perhaps some fine tuning has improved matters too.
I don’t remember! Pete Hammill in “A Drinking Life” says, “stopping drinking doesn’t make life any easier, you just live it with more lucidity”. I like the just quit approach, no higher power, no aplogies, none of that bullshit.
Joe Klein is a Zen master!
(Congratulations to the FDL code monkeys!)
Wait, are we supposed to be doing anything but be crtitical of the new site?
I’m here, in the studio. Thinking of taking off and going on the boat because it’s so nice and windy today. Definitely the small jib.
Actually no. You should be wrapping your christmas presents for george, laura, jen and not jen
Morris where are you, here in ny it’s bloody cold
site looks good.. I like the occasional message that pops up telling you how many new comments have come in. Is there any way that we can regain the ability to edit posts?
Congrats on the new site but I do have a question. I tried to log on using my gmail address but wasn’t able to, so I reverted to my bellsouth account. How come?
WOW – this site looks great!!!
And not to worry, Jane – me neither – I usually have seltzer and cranberry with a twist of lime and I fit right in.
Do you live in Athens?
Don’t be so sure Dumbya belongs in that group of former drinkers…
Sounds like a great plan! WE just had about 18 hours of soaking rain, the first in almost a year. You can almost hear the plants growing and it’s blindingly, beautifully clear here in the mountains.
Enjoy.
Hi Raven. How’s the water supply in Athens?
‘course he could just be a screwup without having to drink himself to it
I keep hearing that the words from the song, which someone constantly fits the press — When will they ever learn, when will they EVER learn?
The site looks great
Lew
Hmmmmm… “reply” number does not seem to correspond with the comment number? Or is it me that is messed up?
So, here is a little Tom Waits for you:
“What’s he [she] building in there?”
Lew! How are ya doing? Did your wife pass the Bar? *g*
I’m in sunny Marina del Rey CA. Actually I’m now at my studio in Culver City, but the boat’s in the Marina, where I live.
ahhh- thx to fellow pups – as per all of your instructions i can SEE!!! and read with no problems – now can save as i don’t need new reading glasses……:o)now on to read.
While it’s great for Jane to hear about the site, we are on the topic of Joe Klein and MSM.
I wonder if any site is keeping tabs of the coverage of the Rudy/Judi accounting issue in the MSM and any coverage of the NYT liar liar pants on fire coverage.
We need the word to spread, well like fire…If the SoCa people don’t think that using fire metaphorically in out of place.
I don’t drink either. What I find humorous is that every time I mention that (which is only when asked), the next thing the person says is, “I don’t drink a lot”, as if I’m judging them.
Carpetbaggger with a couple on that @sshole Rudolph;
http://www.thecarpetbaggerrepo…..l#comments
http://www.thecarpetbaggerrepo…..more-13775
Congrats on the new site — it’s lovely!
As for Klein…. geez… sigh.
Scott Horton at Harpers.org’s No Comment has a funny post today that provides a droll examination of how the WaPo operates in what be called kleinMode — building on Greenwald’s outstanding smackdown and expose of the nonsense that gets published as ‘political analysis’ these days.
So much of it IS exhausting… but thanks to you, EW, Horton, and Greenwald it’s more often becoming fodder for some good belly laughs, as well. Thanks again for the wit and verve with which you expose the frauds so frequently pawned off on a stressed and confused public.
Can you suggest another place to put feedback on the site? This is pure beta-testing, here, and the whole idea is user feedback.
CTuttle and all
Rachel passed the bar and has a job: she is taking on cases of police brutality and elder abuse. She is in 7th Heaven. Thanks so much for asking.
I don’t drink anymore.
I don’t drink any less, either.
I’ll be here all week, try the veal.
Well…I’m missing the ziggaurats already. I think we need a virtual funeral for them at some point. They were kicked off the site because they couldnt conform enough to register!
That is great Lew, nice to see you again too.
I do drink a lot. I like it.
Last week helped but we are still in deep shit if it doesn’t rain more most rickey tic.
See Jane’s last thread including links to TPM, NYPost, and NY Daily News.
It’s hard for people to know what to say in my experience.
Lew that is really great news and I offer congrats also.
Awesome, Congrats to Rachel! Whatcha doing these days… I’ve missed your Postings here at the Lake! ;-)
What is your address and phone number please?
:-)
is it me? or does everyone look just a little bit “different” on here?
Yes, the possibilities are infinite as to why he’s such a screw-up…
If we weren’t a little bit “different,” OC we probably wouldn’t be here.
Raven, I haven’t purchased extra water yet but am considering it. Fulton Cty has a voluntary 10% reduction and if that doesn’t work they are going to fine you. The only thing I can think of is cutting down on a shower a week because I’ve already cut back on everything else.
Bless you. Last time we moved the furniture around it…er…took a while for people to get used to it.
LOL! Morris!
OldCoastie – i’m way thinner here! great site!
Yea, you know that we are not supplied by Lanier so we are in a little better shape.
Congrats to Rachel, Lew — that sounds like outstanding work she is doing.
And congrats to OldCoastie for her part in stopping one part of Rudi’s strategy: stealing California’s electoral votes for the GOP nominee. That was great!
And JokeLine? I think a blogger ethics panel is in order: JokeLine, Deb Howell, Perry Bacon (who wrote the WaPo Obama “rumor” piece), Dean Broder. Chaired by Tweety.
Not admitting to ones mistakes (errors, lies, whatever) is actually permitted by executive order.
Seriously though I do believe that there is so much pressure from “corporate” to print “sensationalist” articles there is little fact checking or editing employed in the news room in many (most?) newspapers these days. Of course that does not mean to excuse the crap that these people write!
I got lost!!! Wahhhhh
It’s funny, when people say they gave up drinking, I think of the people I’ve known who have done themselves great damage by drinking. I don’t fear the judgment of the abstainer. I just do a quick gut-check, and although at one point in my life I might have gotten close to doing myself harm, in the end, it just didn’t take with me. I literally don’t have more than four or five beers a year these days. It’s not because I’ve given up, it’s just that it doesn’t have a hold on me. Other things, of course, do.
Just got back from food shopping. It’s been quite a busy day for us hamsters, though.
TeddySF – I’m going to go eat an early dinner and try to put a new post together for the big orange tonight… lotta confusion going on… write up today in the LA Times that doesn’t help… that story is getting so convoluted, it is quite amazing…
LS, sweetie, here, have a tissue and tell us all.
Two things about the link function: 1. The input window is blocking; that is, you can’t have it open and go elsewhere on the screen and grab a URL, and 2. it is a one-stage process; it gets the href= value, but it does not wait around for you to give the text that should appear on the screen, nor does it enter the URL you gave as the text between the opening and closing tags by default (the previous behavior).
Thanks for update, but I am curious about the MSM beyond NYC? Josh mentioned a Repub. voter in SC. He can’t be reading TPM or Daily News on line.
Two drinking stories:
1. The best lawyer I ever had (make that the only good lawyer I ever had) was know to say: I’ve been trying to drink myself to death all my life, but I haven’t succeeded yet. I happened to remember this today because I finally made copies of the photo album from the memorial service that we had in 1993 for my husband, my mother & my father. That was the caption for one of his photos.
2. A portfolio strategist that I traveled with for a couple of years. On our first joint trip, the meetings went fine. We were waiting in the airport for flight back to NYC, having a snack. I said: The answer to one question will determine whether we can travel together compatibly. He gave me a skeptical, half-fearful look (he’d joined the firm only a short month earlier) and said: What’s that? I said, Do you drink? He said yes. I said: Then everything will be just fine. And it was.
some drink tastes good, like a cold beer with sushi type thing… or a glass of good wine with a pasta… or whatever. But sitting around and getting juiced in a dark bar seems like a waste of time and brain cells. Never did it. Now the drinkers stand outside and pollute the air with smoke to boot.
Indeed. Not from everyone, but from some, including some of our closet and dearest community members (still!), there was much initial frustration, disorientation, missing the old blogger site with the Haloscan comments.
Once we got past the transition period, though, and started to add some neat new functions in the comment section in particular, it subsided. It all eased up within days, as I recall.
Old Coastie,
Was asking for you downstairs and for print confirmation that the initiative is dead for now? Can you explain convoluted? Give us links?
I couldn’t remember my password…but it (registration) remembered everything else…then finally….oh, yeah……..
The site looks good!
Wow! The Lake cleaned up nice. Congrats Jane and all the hard working technologisticians. Between this and the astonishing thrashing that Driftglass laid down upon the sorry carcass of Joke Line, I wouldn’t be surprised if he moved back to his mom’s house and hid under the bed. Cheers!
Love the new site.
The idea of ‘journalism vs. stenography’ just drives me crazy. It’s like saying “Doctor A says that babies come from their mother’s Clown Car, but Doctor B disagrees and claims that they are found under a cabbage leaf. Obviously there are differing points of view.”
*smacks forehead*
Drinking as a criteria for a relationship? Sounds terribly Irish poet to me.
Just testing to see that my profile Web site is linked by my username. Please carry on.
It is harder for that characteristic FDL humor to happen with the new ‘Reply’ behavior — there used to be this really great pile-on effect in the stacked (and not nested) comments — lots of repartee and reaction. That was a big part of the spirit of the site, and, well, maybe someone else will add their opinion to this observation.
“Between this and the astonishing thrashing that Driftglass laid down upon the sorry carcass of Joke Line, I wouldn’t be surprised if he moved back to his mom’s house and hid under the bed.”
Driftglass is an astonishingly good writer. He crafts some of the most amazing sentences I have ever read.
“It is harder for that characteristic FDL humor to happen with the new ‘Reply’ behavior[.]”
What is different?
what an easy out that would have been for joe, simply say the following;
“I am not a lawyer and I foolishly took the word of Hoekstra as if he weren’t a particent participent in propaganda…I should have clearly fact checked and barring that I obviously should have never commented on an issue which I only sourced from one side of the aisle…My opologies for misrepresenting the democrat’s point of view on this issue, and I might add, after expert examination from both sides the democrats have clearly got this right and the republicans have got it wrong”
if joe wants he is welcome to cut and paste and not sight me as the author
You’re so right; it limits the humor.
“what an easy out that would have been for joe”
About as easy as the Fonz saying he is sorry.
Driftglass can nudge you along, enjoying the prose, then Bam!! the awful realization where he is taking you dawns. Witness the 4-part series on Bobo. Excruciating.
According to Debra Bowen our (great) Secretary of State the initiative was withdrawn. Details on her website at http://www.sos.ca.gov/
BTW I know Debra, about 18 years ago when she was still in private practice, she handled a small real estate related legal matter for me. Nice woman and very bright.
couple if suggestions for the new format
1) when hitting the quote button the cursor should default to the center of the tags rather then to the end of the tags
2) larger fonts
3) expand on opening option so the lead story always opens expanded if that’s our preferance
4) links open in new pages or new tabs
5) resond with quote button instead of respond with the name of the author of that post
more later
Aargh! How do we post links, it doesn’t seem to allow the normal Copy and Paste… 8-(
Love the new digs !
For me, if I select text in the editing window first, and then click the link button, it keeps that text for the link (and still prompts for the URL.) Not as flexible as the old version, but it does provide the same functionality.
Preview still isn’t working for me, though, and submitting a comment after attempting preview froze my whole browser a little while ago (couldn’t close other windows), so I’m wary of trying again.
You mean “excruciating” in a good way, or a bad way?
let me try
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/…..us-troops/
What would be a suitable punishment for Joe Klein?
Teaching remedial freshman composition at Regent U.
What would be a suitable punishment for Time?
Being taken over by Murdoch.
Fontsize is entirely within each user’s control. On an apple computer, press the apple-and-plus keys at the same time. On a Gatesian machine, look in the toolbar or view menu.
Jane, we may have celebrated Old Coastie’s victory too quickly. LA times story does not mention fraud at all. The coverage is minimal and CA people are asking on DKos for help. So what do we do?
CA ballot initiative convolution explained, and boy is it:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/1/131841/469
I am able to paste in links, you are not?
whew. finally made it in the door, quite a crush outside.
Kudos to everyone involved in the redesign. Clean, elegant … i like. Of course, it will be a bit before all the bugs are out so a round of applause for the Tech Crew.
excruciating to Bobo
I didn’t even know there was a new tread up. Ray Metcalfe, the ex-state legislator and muckraker who started the ball rolling that led to the FBI investigations, arrests, indictments, convictions and now incarcerations of several prominent Alaskan political and big oil figures, filed yesterday to run against Sen. Ted Stevens (R – Sleazeville).
He’s the only Democrat to file against Stevens so far, but the most likely prominent Dem in Alaska who is seen as a possible candidate, Anchorage Mayor Mark Begich, has been cited by Metcalfe for large amounts of profits Begich has made in partnerships with close friends of Sen. Stevens.
Begich is in Paris right now, advising the French government on how to build outhouses.
I don’t have the time (or the brains) this minute to get into all of it… there were 2 initiative petitions regarding the electoral college vote split. One was withdrawn last Wednesday but the other is still circulating. The LA Times has an article today stating that the Sec of State is somehow extending their deadline (they are not – the deadline is 2.4.08), but – I suspect – the petitioners are trying for an earlier ballot than that date might allow (but I have to sit down with a pencil, paper and calendar and the will to tediously count out the days).
It is very confusing… there are also 3 counter measures on the Sec. of State’s website but they are also complicated. I think I need a giant pile of post-its and an empty wall.
It also appears, in spite of their bragging, they don’t actually have enough money to get the signatures released for the company doing the collections…. combine that with all the allegations, I think the whole ball o’ wax is in big trouble… but first, I need my stubby little pencil and my post its to be sure…
if he thought about it at all.
in windows when we change the font size it also resizes the browser and most of it goes off screen
Honestly, if you can’t immediately quote what was just said, you can’t write the rapid response and get the same effect.
Just testing nested blockquoting.
Fontsize is entirely within each user’s control. On an apple computer, press the apple-and-plus keys at the same time. On a Gatesian machine, look in the toolbar or view menu.
Test
Reply isn’t including the text of the replied-to comment as a quoted block, it just has a link to the comment you’re replying to.
See me @ 112 with a link to DKos that explains that a. the deadline missed was flexible. b. there is another initiative under a different no. that is still alive. and the LA times article said they were still pushing. BSRH.
Let’s ask punaise when s/he signs in; I’ve always really enjoyed seeing the comment s/he’s riffing on above his/her excellent out-of-the-blue phrasing. And then someone else’s ‘LOL’, ‘707′, or even more outrageous line after that.
For instance: not that this exchange is funny, but nobody coming upon this comment would know what I was respondng to, and your response to to PhysioProf is, I believe, actually to my comment that PhysioProf responded to. (BTW, PhysioProf, the above is my explanation for you.)
If you’re using FireFox (and why wouldn’t you?)CTRL+ enlarges the font, and clicking the mouse wheel button opens links in a new tab. Or go the whole hog and install the CoolIris add-on for totally cool link functionality.
Nope, I guess my inner luddite personna is showing…
I tried, I really tried to make no comment about about windoze…… bite my tongue
ya, takes some more steps to do it right…cumbersome, I hope they add the “respond with quote” feature in the near future
everyone’s confused… don’t take anything anywhere at this point as fact… nobody has got the whole story correctly yet.
Yes, but perhaps part of it is the slowness of the response – I always felt that what was going on in the old site was due to the very quickness of the responses — perhaps when things get settled down, you’ll see more of the “general melee” happening again?
Thanks. believing you had gone away to blog elsewhere, I went over to dkos and found a DKos diary that explains the doubled initiative. it’s @112.
@Kathryn in MA
Heh. Somehow I doubt Bobo reads Drifty. It might do him some good.
In relation to the new site, the “New post has been published” doohicky is kind of annoying, as it causes an unbidden scroll when you are typing in the comment box. Also, I kind of miss the “Refresh comments” button. Would it be possible to at least have each “New post has been published” message replace the last one, rather than append?
how do you get to a new thread?
OT..I am shocked!
The Bush administration is laying out a new secrecy defense in an effort to end a court battle about the White House visits of now-imprisoned lobbyist Jack Abramoff.
responding without the quote is really cumbersome, I ahve to hit the link to the post to read what the response is about
man I am gonna miss “respond with quote” and I hope they get the feature in the new template
In response to Redshift @ 124
Phew! It would be nice to have comment box open, when clicking reply, inside the comment box one was replying to. Make sense?
Thanks. I still don’t think this is really going anywhere, and would be defeated if it made the ballot anyway. Which is not to say we shouldn’t be concerned.
Austin is shaping up nicely, then!
Yay Jane!! FDL moves on! Can’t stay around (I’m on YAT = Yet Another Trip) but at least I have time to lurk. Love the new set-up, and you look fabulous in the photo!
I’m just trying to get things straightened out in my own mind before I write… seems like there are lots of people with a little part of the puzzle, but no one with the big picture… I wrote the guy who wrote the article in the LA Times but I haven’t heard back yet.
Odd — I just played with it, and it doesn’t do that for me with Firefox. What browser and computer are you using.
(For future reference, Teddy, it’s Control-+ on Windows.)
makes sense to me…that would be sweet
@behindtehfall:
I’m not seeing any explanation other than Redshift’s.
((((NDFG))))
Glad you made it, too. it WAS a crush, wans’t it? Whew.
Hi pups. Nice to finally be here.
FunnyD
using ie, I don’t care for firefox but might have to migrate to it when I come on this site
Jack who?
[and yes, responding to a post is awkward.]
I have to give kudos to the techs…the site is blazing fast right now, quite a contrast from when it first came on line
I got lost!!! Wahhhhh
There you are, LS! Cool new pad, huh?
The speed issue seems to have gone away, at least at the moment. It is for me an issue of the appearance of the text on the screen. We could do nested blockquotes, but that is going to be vurrry clunky, not least of all because we will have to type in the attributions by hand.
A lot of this is not a matter of ‘keeping up with technology’, but of ‘technology’ not having as keen a sense of ‘best practices’ as, say, road-building. E.g., Windoze users suffer with Windows Explorer, unchanged and brain-dead for year after year, when either Sun or Silicon Graphics did a directory display far better years before MS tried its hand at it.
Jane -
This is petedownunder but I could not register under that name as it said that my user name and my email address were already in use, so I had to have my sock puppet register just to let you know I was having a problem.
Is there a way to contact the tech wizards so I can use my normal username?
I realize this the first day with the site but others may be having the same issue.
Many thanks and good luck with the upgrade.
what i meant to ask was; how do you navigate to a new thread?
I cannot tell if some of the trouble I am having is also with my computer; things are both jumpy and slow. But I posted a comment on the “chair” thread about the Carville and Brown story. It fit better here.
Just to say the press is a mess. A highlight yesterday was Laura Ing…reporting on a study that said a larger % of Repubs. claim to enjoy being mentally healthy than the number,% of Dems. I loved it; she was having a snort. I thought the piece and her reaction were the essence of denial & serious reality problems: Brought to you by the people who think they are always right, have a great administration and a great war, see all the solutions, think the dems. have caused all of the problems…and she is gloating over the obvious mental health of folks like W, Shooter, Rove, Lott, and a boat load of perverts. She just has not sense of humor.
Well, we’ll just have to invite Bill Gates to the Lake for a chat and ask him why they insist on using a band-aided-together piece of garbage-code with multiple layers on top?
petedownunder – you are already registered to FDL – just go to login and choose a password.
The only way I know of is to go to the main FDL page. That’s another feature I’d like to see come back. When I’m catching up on reading posts, I like to sequence through them, and on sites that don’t have that (like Carpetbagger and TPM Election Central) I really miss it.
You should be able to copy and paste the portion you want to quote, just as I did here.
agree absolutely. bring back the nested quotes and bring on the humor.
Can we vote for the return of the quotes? And is it definite that there will be no more pictures?
If I have to choose, I’d choose quotes.
I guess the liberal blogosphere really is an echo chamber :)
Just checking to see if this would work. I copied the exact text to which I want to respond. Then I hit reply, then pressed “quote” button and pasted in between the < thingies. </p>
Preview didn’t work for me so here goes sight unseen…
If you were registered in Wordpress on the old site (to do the Facebook thingy) you are already registered here, and you just have to remember what password you used there and sign in. *g*
If I have to choose, I’d choose quotes.
Hmmm.. it seems to work now…
olberman is amazing on this raw story video
with naomi klein
Well, suppose we had been saying something funny to each other. The reference in Boston1775’s post is to #99, but that’s wrong, ’cause you posted at #98. So, not only are the other FDLers not going to know the start of the joke, they’re going to have a hard time finding it. If the funny part is in the back-and-forth over several exchanges, that is not only going to be non-obvious, it is going to be difficult to reconstruct.
If that does not add to the explanation, or is not in response to you initial question, I apologize in advance for missing your point.
You’re absolutely right. I too know Debra Bowen and she’s really a fighter for the people (and not only their voting rights). She’d make a great replacement for our present rightard Senator, Dianne Feinstein.
Hmmm… apparently I don’t know how to ‘nest’… *sigh*
Kathryn … how does that work? … I can’t use my old handle(Joe Klein’s conscience) or a new one .. because it had spaces(but it was just letters and numbers).
Ah. Too bad Billy’s boys couldn’t implement adjusting the font size properly (especially since I think it was in IE before it was in Firefox.) I wouldn’t be surprised if our hosts tweak the font a bit, since several of our readers seem to have trouble with it.
Well, he could tell us, I suppose, but then he’d have to wipe all our hard-drives, because the whole thing is just so mysterious and proprietary. Why, if it were something mere mortals could do, you’d have Finnish grad students whipping up entire operating systems in their spare time. /snark
It’s not that I am funny.
It’s that I find what other people say is funny.
Kinda’ lose your subject.
ther eis a nest button right next to the quote button
You can do it like this, Behindthefall:
Let’s ask punaise when s/he signs in; I’ve always really enjoyed seeing the comment s/he’s riffing on above his/her excellent out-of-the-blue phrasing. And then someone else’s ‘LOL’, ‘707′, or even more outrageous line after that.
Then highlight it and click on the ” icon on the toolbar. I had to manually double-nest – blockquote what you blockquoted, then go back and blockquote the whole thing. But the ” icon will insert the tags – no need to (yuck) type them. It’s workable until “reply with quote” becomes available.
But definitely not suitable for quick one-liners… – bobo
booger test booger
Test, too…
Gatesian!!! The dark side.
I don’t know about IE, but in Firefox, you can force all body text to display in your own chosen font and size. I see all body text on all Web sites in 16 point Verdana, regardless of what the Web site specifies.
OK, this one’s subtle. The “Reply” function suffers from an instance of the OBOB (off-by-one-bug): the comment number that will be displayed is one greater than the the number assigned in the comment list itself.
Petedownunder, you’re probably already registered as PDU. Try just logging in.
Where is the ‘quote’ button? All I see is the quotation mark and/or the ‘Reply’ icon…
But can you spoon?
Agreed. I think the “manual” nesting will become easier with practice. But, let’s not forget, properly editing all that nested blockquoting (when you didn’t want to quote everything) under the old system wasn’t exactly a lot of fun either.
Like this? I copied your message, pasted it into the edit window, selected it, then clicked the ‘”‘ button. Let’s see what I get …
You see? They all become private jokes.
Just got around to Bob Herbert’s column. It’s a good one. R debates are too violent for children.
Mary, dare I ask what is spooning?
… and then, getting entirely carried away, he tried it again and again.
Back on topic, I about the causes of the disaster of Klein and his ilk. Specifically, I wonder how much is due to having internalized the “liberal media” canard. He-said-she-said “balance” seems to be largely a product of that, along with the tendency to treat conservative “we don’t like what you’re saying” complaints as equivalent to liberal “we want you to actually do your job” complaints.
On the other hand, I wonder how much is due to the fact that, having reduced things to he-said-she-said, conservatives are much more willing to outright lie to get their way. That is, if you know that the media is just going to report what you say and not fact-check, and you’re willing to lie in order to “win,” then you can create a de-facto pro-conservative media even if the pundits and political journalists have no intention of doing that.
(And as an aside, I have to take issue with the idea that “access” alone is responsible for much of it. After the next inauguration, we may well have the presidency and both houses of Congress under Democratic control, but I doubt we’ll see journalists pandering to Democrats for “access,” because Democrats actually care about governing, not just power, so they won’t force them to grovel.)
Ha!
Just testing something here to see if it works or if I am having the same problem.
Still not there. Lost a level of nesting when I repeated the process, and, of course, there’s no indication of where the quotes were from, which is half of the fun.
Spooning:
“Spooning” in my day was necking, only less so. Think the expression came from the 20s. Wiki defines spooning ad cuddling sppon style. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spooning
Spooning:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spooning
Bob Herbert’s column
Raven, that’s not very nice… :P
in the response box there is a tool bar right above the typing field
do you see this?
Of all the snarky stuff I could have said??????
There was a good sized Rudy and the $$$ article from AP in my local paper this morning, 3rd page, Morgantown WV. I was pleased to see it.
Also, to touch on an earlier comment about 60% of us boomer babes having inhaled, more or less. This is one of my pet neo-con theories. They had absolutely no fun during the 60’s and are now trying their hardest to punish the rest of us for it.
Heh, I’ll never kiss and tell… ;-)
red @ 188
I suspect that the stenographers believe that the boses don’t lie so they just report it out. That’s what stenographers do.
See they forgot that they are supposed to be in the PRESS and like do some fact checking and multiple sources and get the back story.
The upside is that it’s swift. Go to your bud inside and he’ll give you the scoop and you just take it down and pretend to be a reporter.
Lotta bang for the buck and you get deeper in the more you do it.
They were were the folks that couldn’t get dates. Like KKKarl.
If you want to do nested quotes, you’re going to have to nest each level manually each time, because the select/copy mechanism does not pick up the HTML blockquote tags around the indented text, only the text itself.
True, ya did refrain… 8-)
By the light of the silvery moon
I want to spoon
To my honey I’ll croon love’s tune
Honey moon, keep a-shinin’ in June
Your silv’ry beams will bring love’s dreams
We’ll be cuddlin’ soon
By the silvery moon
Doris Day
Heh, I’ll never
kissspoon and tell… ;-)Yep, that’s always been my hypothesis.
Ha! Thanks, PhysioProf. Fixed the font/visibility problem by changing my default to Verdana. And in Firefox, you can too:
And got beat up by Democratic girls. *g*
Without nesting quotes, this is like every place else.
FDL home of the virtual group spoon “Spooning can also be done in groups, a Group Spoon, this can take place in such areas as a large bed or on the floor.
I think more neocons smoked that will admit it. My parents have and they are in their 80’s and one is a repug. It was along time ago (1970’s) and only once.
Think…. Rudy and Judy spooning. Now clean up the mess.
“There was a good sized Rudy and the $$$ article from AP in my local paper this morning, 3rd page, Morgantown WV. I was pleased to see it.”
When the MSM starts piling on a Republican candidate, I get nervous. It makes me think there is some insidious shit on the down low.
But only on the days you take a shower, please.
I had an epiphany about who’s undermining Rudy’s campaign and why
I believe I know;;
remember Rudy endorsed Mario Cuomo, the democrat for governor?
it’s payback time
Of all the snarky stuff I could have said??????
reply
testing Raven’s snark
smoked
@Fern:
Pleasure!
Holy COW! Nobody told me we was remodelin’!
This is going to take some getting used to….Dang!
Think George, Condi, Karl, Dick and Libby group spooning.
Just satisfying myself that it was not going to be easy to mimic the previous site’s behavior.
and immediately thereafter at that
Gee, anything else going on there tonight?
I can’t be bothered with the nesting of quotes and so forth. I go as advanced as XXX @ and be done with it.
I found the nested quotes idiotic. good riddance.
Great new digs.
NYBri… that was nice so he said it twice!
The speed issue seems to have gone away, at least at the moment. It is for me an issue of the appearance of the text on the screen. We could do nested blockquotes, but that is going to be vurrry clunky, not least of all because we will have to type in the attributions by hand.
You should be able to copy and paste the portion you want to quote, just as I did here.
I satisfy myself to fall asleep at night
*am lonely man*
But idiocy can be just what you need, sometimes!
bilbo
how did you get a blue line to the left of what you were quoting?
thanks
testing Raven’s snark
testing
Hi Folks. Ian is upstairs.
greenwarrior, you have two sets of blockquote tags @228, but they’re both empty. That’s why you didn’t get quoting.
How do we know when there’s a new thread? I was on the old one, and you guys already had 95 comments!
Sorry. I tried to link, but apparently, didn’t do it right. Sigh.
But idiocy can be just what you need, sometimes!
testing
“In response to PhysioProf @ 216
Gee, anything else going on there tonight?”
OK, it can’t be an Off-By-One problem, because my nearest post to 216 was 214.
And the “New post has been published” doohicky is really getting on my nerves. Not only does it cause unbidden scrolls, but it interferes with typing in the comment box when it appeats.
If you look at the way your comment came out, you will see two things: you weren’t responding to bilbo at whatever, and the text you meant to quote looks as though you had written it: there’s no evidence of quoting.
I don’t want the f – test
Probably the best option for now is to keep two browser windows open, one on the main FDL page, and refresh that occasionally to see if there’s a new thread. (If our site wizards want to add a “new post” notification along with the “new comments” one, that would be great, and would reduce the refresh load on the site.)
New article upstairs (with link)
Please someone walk me thru in great big baby steps how to do a quote and get that blue line at the left. what i am doing is not working.
IANAT i am not a technie. obviously.
It is the corporatization of the media. As corporations, they identify more strongly with Republicans. This leads to a variety of tactics we see in the news.
Trivialization and infotainment of the most recent missing white woman stories.
Ignoring a story entirely.
Covering a story but doing so using only White House talking points to frame and discuss it.
He said/she said which takes several forms:
Stacking: Quoting 5 Republicans for each Democrat; or having a faux liberal analyst paired up with a raging Loony Tunes conservative
False eqivalences: This is the everybody does it argument usually used when 90% of the fault can be laid at the door of Republicans
Using the meme: It always good if it’s for the Republicans. Or the reverse of this: It’s always bad if it’s for the Democrats.
Hiring dimwitted fact challenged reporters and pundits whose knowledge of and interest in current events is neglegible or dreadfully spotty and who have the collective memory of a deranged rodent and with similar fact checking talents.
Hm. As you may have guessed from my previous comment, I’m not getting a “new post has been published” doohickey. Where should it appear?
[blockquote]
Text to be quoted
[/blockquote]
But, substitute angle brackets for all square brackets.
ok. i’m going to try this.
“…the piece and her reaction were the essence of denial & serious reality problems: Brought to you by the people who think they are always right…”
RevBev, absolutely perfect!!
You got it!! See you upstairs.
Click the quotation-mark button at the top of the edit window. That will add <blockquote></blockquote> HTML tags. Move the text editing cursor in between them (between the > and the <) and type or paste the text you’re quoting there. Then it will appear with the blue bar.
(Type any text that’s “you” and not a quote at the end, after the </blockquote> tag, so it doesn’t have a blue bar like a quote.
and this.
thanks bilbo and redshift. looks like i’ve learned how to do one nested quote, but not two.
i hope we’re only having to do this temporarily. i liked being able to throw off a quick response and feel like i was really in a conversation.
@Redshift:
“In response to PhysioProf @ 242:
As you may have guessed from my previous comment, I’m not getting a ‘new post has been published’ doohickey. Where should it appear?”
(1) My comment that you quoted was actually comment #240, so there is definitely something amiss with the reply function.
(2) Underneath the last comment, light blue boxes appear with the text “New post has been published – #”, where # is a small number that I think represents how many posts have appeared since the last hard refresh. It seems like these messages appear automatically at regular time intervals. You’re not getting these? Do you have Javascript turned off? I assume the automaticity is implemented via Javascript.h
wow Jane, easy login! think i’m gonna like this new format.
Yeah, I don’t think it’s ever going to be worth the effort to do two levels of nesting by hand. Hopefully they’ll add the reply-with-quoting feature back in soon.
No, I get one for comments, but not for posts, and I definitely have javascript turned on. Just another quirk, I guess. (Preview doesn’t work for me, either.)
@Greenwarrior:
“i hope we’re only having to do this temporarily.”
Agreed. As of right this moment, the old interface has a huge usability advantage over the new one. Having experienced UI transitions on other forums/blogs, I am confident that FDL will be tweaking things over time, and will ultimately achieve satisfactory usability based on user feedback.
Many thanks – that worked. I’m back
good on ya
PDU
this dog is too old for new trix. :(
@Redshift:
“No, I get one for comments, but not for posts, and I definitely have javascript turned on.”
Yeah, they are announcing comments, but, at least for me, the text of the announcement reads “New post has been published”.
And while we are mentioning Rudy and his “girls”, where is the third one, someone Lategano. She was listed in the divorce papers and I believe there’s a famous story about Wife in one car heading out of Gracie Mansion, GF Lategano in one car heading in, and new GF Judi getting into the (city?) car across the street also headinhg over. Not much is said about Ms Lategano, but hizzoner certainly settled a very nice job on her.
I’m not much of a gossip, but that story just fascinated me. I do believe it was in the NYT.
Uh, since you indicated you were in Morgantown I was hinting at the Backyard Brawl.
Hm. Mine says “X New Comments. Click here to load them!” It may be a javascript thing that’s loaded when you refresh the page, so if they’re updating behind the scenes, it may depends on when you last loaded a page (or started the browser, if it’s somehow persistent between pages.)
Indeed! The blimp is just passing over my place now and I can hear stadium sounds. The hoopla here today made it a bit more surprising to me that more than the front page had any news other than sports. Go ‘eers.
back after a bit and for a bit. thanks for the info. reassuring that’s not just the NYers, present or past that are getting the story.
Hmm. I am going to clear my cache and restart my browser and see what happend.
test
I have subscribed to Time for about 30 years, geezer that I am. I have now canceled my subscription, with the Joke Line mess the camel-vertebra-crushing straw. Time has become a cheesy, infotainment piece of crap, which I endured for a long time, but I don’t want any more of this shit pushed through my mail slot. I sent appropriate emails to Time’s customer service folks and the alleged “editor” who passed on Klein’s recent bilge.
Jane, great new look for the ‘Lake. Thanks for being there. (I am a longtime lurker.)
test again – go away “f” thing!
Great new look on the site, Jane. And nice, cute pic. Cheeks Jewish aunts couldn’t help but want to go up and pinch.
At the dentist’s office I get TIME and flip to its people page, go to my books on Leo Strauss for meaty stuff, and do the news from a dozen NON-TIME spots on the internet after I get back. Like yesterday, when I discovered twelve cavities from my recent habit of giving my teeth an acid-bath from sucking on hard candies when I went to sleep.
Not that I found TIME bad overall before. But now, it’s obviously out completely.
am I logged out?
The smug arrogance of the journalistic establishment, as embodied by Joe Klein and L’il Debbe, is boundless. They must be bitch-slapped again and again and again and again. Hard.
Very hard.
OK. If anyone is still here, please disregard my complaints about the “New post” doohicky. The problem was with a local Web proxy in my end, not with FDL. Sorry.
test
Hit forgot your password, they’ll email you one and eventually it works. And eventually you can change it. Took awhile, but it worked for me.
testing, one two three
Pete, if you are still around — the same thing happened to me. My username “stuck” from the old site. If you just log in with your old name and password (don’t register, just log in) it works just fine, and you don’t have to reregister.
Hi, Jane I’m new here, but glad to read you at the source.
You were one of my favorites over at HuffPo, but I’m over them now.
Arianna’s little tea party with Nancy was the last straw.
“local Web proxy in my end”
Um, make that “on my end”.
Memo to Joe Klein: For God’s sake stop digging! Important point: This is happening not because he was duped but because he’s in favor of this stuff.