The Minneapolis StarTribune has for decades had a national reputation (enhanced by the never-ending attacks of racist right-wing activists) as an ultra-ultra-liberal paper. The truth, however, is that it’s really never been all that liberal, and became even less so when they were purchased by the right-wing-appeasing, union-hating McClatchy — who recently sold them to the conservative-minded strip-and-flippers of Avista.
The Strib has for at least a decade been the reverse image of the (pre-Murdoch) Wall Street Journal. While the WSJ’s editorial staff was and is a group of utterly bonkers knuckle-dragging fascist swine, the WSJ’s news operations were (until Murdoch took over) first-rate. Contrast that with the Strib, where the editorial staff is generally good, but whose fluff-obsessed management is so cowed by the local Republican Party screechers that they’ve not only hired utter jokes like Katherine Kersten and James Lileks, but turned control of the political newsroom over to longtime archconservative Doug Tice. Frankly, I’d rather have it the way that the old WSJ used to be.
Here’s an example of the sort of product the Strib’s political unit puts out now, courtesy of Bluestem Prairie, concerning the race in Minnesota’s First Congressional District between newly-minted Democratic incumbent Tim Walz and state Republican fixture Dick Day:
Day said his journey to the border was inspired after he attended a series of town meetings on immigration issues in Austin. About a month afterward, he got a call from the head of the Minuteman Project inviting him to the border. The weekend before Thanksgiving, Day flew to Tucson and drove a rented car to what is known as the Sasabe Corridor in Arizona, a roughly 10-mile-wide stretch of land between the San Luis and Baboquivari mountain
Except that, as BSP points out, Day was banging the anti-immigrant and pro-Minuteman drum well before that:
Does no one at the Star Tribune conduct the most rudimentary fact checking these days? Surely, a stroll with Mr. Google would turn up that Day was already talking about going to the Minuteman’s operation at those town hall meetings back in September.
BSP then provides a passage from the September 18, 2007 edition of the Austin, Minnesota Daily Herald:
Late in the two-hour meeting, state Sen. Dick Day, R-Owatonna, spoke to the reformists and was interrupted by cheers and applause.
Day, a candidate for the 1st Congressional District seat held by Democrat Rep. Tim Walz, has called for immigration reform and a physical border barrier in high-density population areas such as urban California.
Day also said he is going to the same Arizona ranch area where Branstner served to observe a Minuteman Project first-hand.
But hey, why do actual fact-checking when it’s just easier to retype and edit GOP press releases (like this one) and submit them under your own byline? Heck, Joe Klein takes dictation from Pete Hoekstra, so it must be OK!
Funny thing: While the DougTiceTribune treats Republican press releases as the Word of God, it doesn’t give quite the same amount of attention or respect to Democratic ones. When Minnesota’s Republican Governor, Tim Pawlenty, decided to play "let’s depress voter turnout" by setting the dates for a special election for a state senate seat right smack dab in the holiday season (when many of the most progressive voters in that district — namely, the college students and their professors at St. Olaf and Carleton colleges — would be on winter break and far away from voting booths), the DFL (the Minnesota branch of the Democratic Party) put out a press release on T-Paw’s efforts to game the election this way.
But, as a Google search shows, the TiceTribune has as of this Saturday morning, December 1, 2007, yet to write any story focusing strictly on this special election, much less pay much if any attention to the DFL press release on Pawlenty’s gaming thereof. The one time the Strib seems to have so much as mentioned this special election in passing is when Mark Brunswick — the same Strib guy who apparently dutifully posts rewritten GOP press releases under his own name — just gave us another piece of Republican dictation, wherein various state Republicans use the special election as a vehicle to criticize current Minnesota Secretary of State Mark Ritchie over a relatively minor (and legal, and commonly-done) issue. In fact, Ritchie’s only real "crime" is to have defeated his Republican predecessor, the astoundingly corrupt, bizarre, vote-suppressing, partisan and crazily, crazily incompetent Mary Kiffmeyer in a fair fight last year.
Bottom line: The next time you hear some conservative ding-doing ranting about "The liberal Red Star Tribune", feel free to laugh in his or her face. But please, try to refrain from spitting in it.
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still doing zeds?
We are now!
PW!!!
Zed plus 2!
Phoenix Woman!
Sounds like a winner…
Corrupt in Minnesota-
Where’s Norm Coleman?
Uh… have I finally made it to the new site?
zeds you win, tails I lose :)
McClatchy acquired the Miami Herald earlier this year, but the Herald was so bad by that time you really can’t tell the difference. Apparently from their stock performance investors can. hee hee.
love the new digs, keep up the good work!
if you want to be a junkie, remember: Zeddie’s dead
that would appear to be the case!
And the TiceTribune hasn’t learned the hard way from the bridge collapse? And Pawlenty’s response to it?
I’m out of town for business for a week and and so many changes… now to get caught up with it all
Too bad for Minnesota that Dick didn’t get lost in desert.
Hey, everyone! Didja all find the new site?
Balance out some of that right wing noise with some funny Tom Tomorrow;
http://www.villagevoice.com/ne…..489,9.html
We are going to have to rip Traditional Media into tiny, little pieces — and sell it off to local folks, or create employee cooperatives — in order to repair the awfulness that it has become. We must simply not stand for any more consolidation, or merging, or synergy, in our media properties. A free press must be just that: a free press, free of the constraints of media moguls, free to print or broadcast the truth.
Hi PW!
You should read the guy’s website — every other word is Minuteman, I swear.
Which is hilarious, as Tim Walz, the Democrat who won the MN-01 seat last year, beat Gil Gutknecht the Republican incumbent, and Gutknecht was running on a “fear the scary brown ones” platform, same as Dick Day is now. It didn’t work in ‘06, and it’s going to work even less in ‘08.
Wow ! The new look is quite cool, keep up the good work !
Your long time Italian lurker here: one spends two days away from the PC and .. Bang! Everything is different!!
I am sure the content will still be top notch as usual
(even if I do miss Trex…)
Is there something equivalent to the Previouw | Home | Next line of the previous incarnation? That functionality is sorely missed by me at least.
Hey Pach!
PW, that’s exactly what happened here in Issa’s seat. The dem challenger (Jeeni Cricenzo, now working for Kucinich) got no press. None.
Granted, anyone too liberal (like us) would not be electable in this district. Not now, anyway.
OK this may be a radical question but how can the right see the world so completely differently from the left? Is it selective picking of “facts” or ignoring inconvenient truths, or distortion to make them facts fits the agenda?
I simply don’t get the world these people live in. Do you?
That is so true.
((Teddy!))
PW any dish on the Franken v Coleman election?
Greenwarrior-last thread-, apologies. #6 should be control V instead of edit/paste.
Teddy, but you have all the bot reporters who do the Metropolis thingy. How about a REAL writers strike in the news media?
Hey! How did Valley Girl and Phoenix Woman get to have spaces in their names?
No fair!
:-)
It was a rough and rocky road, Punaise.
Huh. I thought that McClatchy was supposed to be one of the good guys. I asked here a while back what to read since the NYT with News being wrecked apparently by a complicit Keller, and the recommendation was to read McClatchy. What’s the story? Corporate uniformity or a mixed palette of acquisitions?
Tim Walz was one of the first candidates I gave money to last cycle, before Howie Klein started organizing all my candidate donations. *g* Tim’s life story and positions really impressed me. I don’t agree with everything he’s done since being elected, but he certainly is the kind of Democratic citizen-legislator I wish more incumbents would model themselves after.
Or be replaced by, if need be.
It was a rough and rocky road, Punaise.
you’re not nuts: you made it to the lake through the marsh, mellow.
There’s a “preview” link in the comment box, up underneath the red X.
Heh, I Zedded in the new digs… ;-)
Juan Cole has got up a good article recently about how the media is owned by five companies total, all of which are center of right to right wing in their policies. It’s no wonder we can’t get anything decent in papers these days, much less TV.
BTW, what is it with that picture? To be honest I hate it, and it’s been used several times already this week. I always think the guy has something else in his hands. Yuk.
Evening Pups!
We want to work hard to keep the FDL troubleshooting, or “meta” in the previous threads, so we can resume being FDL.
Thanks for your cooperation.
I wonder if that did it.
re the picture – i keep thinking he is a double amputee
SanderO — It’s Coleman-Franken-Ciresi at this point.
Behindthefall — McClatchy’d bought up Knight-Ridder recently, an action that led to their selling the Strib, their crown jewel and chief money-maker, at a fire-sale price, as they’d bit off way way WAY more than they could have chewed. It’s the components of the old Knight-Ridder network that are doing all of that excellent Iraq reporting.
Hey Punaise-
And sorry to PW for not staying on topic…
Punaise, rocky road is my absolute favorite ice cream choice. The kind with the little marshmallows. And, Hagen-Daz is my favorite brand. But, their version of rocky road is just so wrong.
Punaise, we were talking about you earlier. I was saying that I missed the stacked/nested repartee that you have sparked so often. Whaddya think: automatic replication of a previous post a la the old ‘Quote’ function? (I just had to go back through several references to reconstruct a conversation you were in. It didn’t seem to me that I really should have had to do that, nor did it seem that the participants in that conversation should have been required to go through all the manual nesting foofara — but my opinion is showing, there.)
Is this some obscure reference to Babylon 5?
McClatchy owns the Anchorage Daily News. I’ve known a lot of the reporters there far longer than the current regime has been in effect. If there’s a major or medium daily newspaper in the country that has actually gotten MORE liberal in the country over the past eight years, I haven’t heard of it, and the ADN isn’t it, for sure.
I spend a lot of time at my new blog documenting – how should I put i? - interesting anomolies in their news coverage. I have to admit that their coverage of the GOP Legislative corruption trials here has been very good. But their ability to do investigative reporting has been severely hampered by an inability to even cover existing stories that are out there, let alone have the resources to follow leads.
oh, and sorry lurking mod, for not staying on topic. I know I am setting a bad example, and I promise not to do so again. But, I was just so thrilled to finally arrive that I just needed to discuss ice cream with Punaise. I will be better behaved in future. Thanks for your indulgence.
OT:
I have to leave to go out for the evening…but, I’m wondering if the WH claiming the Abramoff visits “States Secrets” has anything to to with this:
I know it is old news, but the WH actions are increasingly suspect. JMHO.
Naw; I meant {name of previous post} | Home | {name of next post}. To get to a new thread, I only know to back out all the way to home and then get back in through the top post’s comment button. It would seem that the old site’s simple, obvious navigation bar was critical to ease-of-use.
it was “Freddy” in a ’70s film – Superfly? soundtrack by Curtis mayfield IIRC.
are there new rules for going ot?
I hereby vote ‘Yea’ on Ballot Initiative 1A, “Restoration of The Edit Function”.
(I always think of something better the *instant* I hit “Submit”)
And my Preview button doesn’t work.
And I want a pony – and some ice cream, dammit…/s
Hold out Hope Old Coastie!
I think it’s a plot to clean out the punning riff-raff … :~)
we’ll adapt.
the link is missing.
This:
http://www.casinowatch.org/ter…..sinos.html
The Sun Cruz terrorist connection…
Freddy’s Dead was from Shaft.
in punaise @ 46, says ‘in response to Hugh @ 42′ — the misnumbering in the ‘in response to’ field has cropped up again; Hugh was at 41.
And overcome… 8-)
the WH claiming the Abramoff visits “States Secrets”
Huh? Miss a day – miss a scandal.
Oops, I was wrong… It was Superfly. Crap.
Oh I hope not!!!
damn, I always get that one wrong!
Well, Cheney’s are already shredded… Nothing to see there…
Why would that be?
OK. Now, this is interesting (but only if you are someone trying to stamp out beta-bugs!) I put in a comment which came out numbered #58. I was replying to a comment of punaise’s which showed up as being #50. I clicked on ‘Reply’ and indeed it showed that I was replying to “punaise @ 50″. YET, when that comment showed up, it said I was replying to ‘punaise @ 52′. So, the glitch is somewhere between grabbing the comment number to display above the edit window and the assignment of the replied-to comment number for display in the message. (Weird, I would have thought.)
selise- new rules? I don’t know. But, I try not to go OT in a current thread, unless I have something serious to report, before the first 40 or so comments. And, “serious” would not be a comment about ice cream. Late nite, of course, as to OT has a different history re: OT.
behindthefall – please take the troubleshooting chat into the previous thread. Thank you.
they’re claiming “State Secrets” re: Abramoff? What kind of a lying, scumbag sociopath could even say that with a straight face?
Do the terrorists win if they find out that our government is corrupt?
Sorry, but I was EPU’d…
Oooh, good. You mean that threads below the current one actually function with this new system? *stuffs beta-comment into bag and clumps down the stairs*
oh Matt, I haven’t given up hope at all! This initiative is fraught with problems… Just “doing the math” on it is eye-opening… I figure they’ve had to gather more than 4300 signatures each and every day since the language was approved and for a petition that has to be hidden under others, that seems like a mighty big number… they also need a million, three just to pay the signature gatherers (at 3 bucks a pop) and I’m sure that ARNO (the signature hiring company) isn’t doing the job for free…
Something is afoot though… I don’t know why this date of 11/30 keeps getting repeated… 11/29 was the due date for the one that was withdrawn. The “new” one has a due date of 2/4/08… now, unless Debra Bowen is making them turn it in early (doubt it), if they get the petitions in by mid-January, they should be all set for the June ballot…
I’m still poking this whole mess with a long stick… but I must admit, I’m quite puzzled by what I’m reading in the news reports and on the blogs…
Sorry, my link didn’t work…
http://www.hawaiitribune-heral…..ters02.txt
Dorothy! You can come back to Kansas now!
Yay! Congratulations to me. I can post here. Can’t read more than 2 sentences without clicking with rapt attention and tick-tock iceweasel spinning thingy. I’m thrilled.
PW, eww, did you have to mention Kersten again? eww.
Ah, the missing ziggaurats -:-+(by the way, how does one include a quote from someone else?)
I apologize for offending you or anyone else with the OT, but claiming State Secrets is pretty serious. If I was going to be around, I would wait until later, so skip the OT comment if you want to.
Anyway, here is the link to the States Secret story. Besides, I think that those kinds of actions and the reaction to them, is exactly what is wrong with the differing realities between the left and the right.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/m…..12007.html
They can do this stuff with a straight face because the dems never call them on it, although I do look forwardd to Fox tomorrow morning, and the press seldom calls them on it. Criminal behavior ignored.
Not really a problem. If you put your cursor over “In response to…” you’ll see an absolute comment number down in the message bar at the bottom. So even if “SoAndSo @ 50″ is wrong, clicking on it will take you to the right comment (and your browsers Back button will return you to current events).
I was mentioned in A Strib article last July, and thought they represented my point of view quite fairly.
Has it changed since then?
OC!
I know the Brad Blog is watching this and I am sure the California Dems are too. With the practices already noted concerning the signature collectors I have no doubt there could be serious legal challenges to the initiative.
Hey PW…snowy enough for ya?
My more “global” comment on your post is this: will all these papers who bent over for Bush and his ilk be forced to swing back to the great middle to keep their readership? In other words, will they have to adapt to a changing marketplace (she says, with some sarcasm, but some knowledge of the cold, cruel world of business…)
VG that’s lovely… these guys are afraid of the law.
LS, my comment was in reponse to selise’s about are there new rules. As far as I know, serious comments that are OT are still okay. But, mine about rocky road ice cream was OT, however you look at it. ;)
Keep it up, Old Coastie. Found a rubber-banded clipboard outside of a market here, but no hidden petitions.
Particularly, since many of the petitions collected so far are already under scrutiny…
I see, I see, I felt a little guilty about posting the OT myself…anyway have a great evening!
OT, and sorry… I’ve had hell’s own time trying to get registered in a way that makes me happy. How do you get spaces??? I’ve tried to be MarionInSavannah, but no way those capital letters will work. I’m sorry to be a pest, but this is getting VERY frustrating for some of us. At least it no longer takes 3+ minutes to load a page. That’s progress.
Whew!
We got through that, didn’t we?
(she says, brushing the dust off her shoulders…)
I have no doubt there could be serious legal challenges to the initiative.
Judge: “Miss OC, do you solemnly swear or affirm that the testimony you’re about to give…”
re: ot. thanks, got a little worried when you apologized to lurking mod (and not pw) – that’s why i thought there might be a new rule.
i try to wait too, or at least not be the first to go ot. will keep doing that (except for when there are guests)… unless told differently .
Moving day is always rough, and then you have to learn to live in the new house. I’m sure we’ll all be banging our knees on the coffee table in the dark for a few days.
Oh, Jane. She’s a beauty.
Hello, Jane!
Remodeling is so exciting!!
I want to take my house off at the foundations (give it to charity) and build a nice energy efficient one.
Maybe i should buy a lottery ticket. i’m losing money on my salary.
Two thumbs up, Jane! Still a work in progress for many of us, tho…
new site looks great!
would you consider having a help/tech thread in a day or two? lots of questions, and if folks knew there was going to be a chance to ask them… it might make things easier.
just a thought.
looks like you all have put a ton of work into the new site… congrats to all!
good! keep it up LooHoo! Usually I just blow right past those guys, but now I stop…
My question is: Where are they getting all these sigatures? Nobody much stops to sign anymore… the guys I saw had all of 5 signatures on each clipboard… I figured out they would have to have 100 people collecting 50 signatures each and every day since September 7th… now, how does an unpopular, hidden petition gather that many sigs? Possible, sure… but to do that consistently every single day of the week? And where would they get that much money to pay these kids? I’m guessing one of those pop stands in a good location on a weekend might get a couple hundred signatures… but to repeat that daily? all over the state?
seems unlikely to me.
Nice new look, and it will take some getting used to, but as long as we have the brilliant articles and the same posters… I’m here.
What else new and exciting does this new machine do?
Someone tried to make me watch my own movies today, too. I said I’d rather be waterboarded.
What is it, torture Jane day?
We’ll watch the movie for you and tell you how it ends!
’sup, ‘pups? This new thingy workin’ yet?
Rude-E is apparently gonna henceforth go with the stonewall / brush-off:
Giuliani dismisses questions on security expenses
BY KATIE THOMAS | katie.thomas@newsday.com
9:57 PM EST, December 1, 2007
PORTSMOUTH, N.H. – Rudy Giuliani brushed off new questions Saturday about the use of city funds to protect girlfriend Judith Nathan while the mayor was still married to his second wife, Donna Hanover.
“I think everything was done quite appropriately,” Giuliani said after a Town Hall meeting at the University of New Hampshire in Durham. “I think this was all answered four or five years ago. … So this is a way of rehashing something that’s already been asked and answered.” …
Jeralyn has now coined the term “bloglift.”
Jane,
We’re enjoying watching your new website.. thank you very much. Is there an encore?
Reminiscent of a ‘Face-Lift’… A little nip and tuck… 8-)
Show up tomorrow, same bat time, same bat channel…
I show up all the time Jane, this is the first stop for me as I have my morning coffee. The front pagers do marvelous posts. FDL is an enormous resource for me and for the progressives these days. I don’t know what I’d do without it. And the commentors are terrif!
Comment by J. David Woodard, Dept. of Political Science, Clemson University
Comment by Professor J. David Woodard – Nov 30, 2007
According to the Palmetto Poll at Clemson University in South Carolina, Rudy Giuliani had dropped from being tied for the lead to fifth in the eyes of GOP primary voters. That was BEFORE the news of the security trips being paid for by city funds story broke. I suspect that Giuliani will finish way back in the S.C. primary on January 19th.
Linky.
Mods: sorry, but the downstairs thread seems to have gone to sleep; wanted to sum up args for restoring the ‘quotable comment’ function. Getting ‘database errors’ a lot.
wishlist: Seems that the great effort many are going to trying to recreate the comment-quoting ability of the old site is good evidence that the same function ought to exist here. So far, a number of people hav figured out how to in fact DO nested comments, but still, when copying a nested comment, all the levels have to be recreated manually, a process which is prone to error, since all cues to the levels in the original have been lost. A greater loss, and one which has a real implication for the integrity of blog conversations, is that the present system does not automatically bring in the abc@123 from the various comments being cited; each person doing the citing has to discipline themselves to writing a citation to go with the text that they have to copy/paste manually. (Also, I at least feel that much of the flavor of FDL came from the stacked repartee in the comments.)
Old Coastie, I was wondering what was up with them yanking the petition. I take it that they were trying to buy time? To judge from the article AZ Matt cited, they’ll need a LOT more money — they can’t pay their canvassers now, much less for the next three months.
BobbyG… that’s the kind of news we YewNorkers love to hear.
I agree, I’m stumped by that. The local TJ’s usually has petition people (I’ve now stopped to check, but these guys are either Greenpeace or the LaRouche band (always good for a chuckle) with no nefarious hidden petitions that I can see (I would think that with such widespread publicity of “thick rubber bands” that even these guys would change their M.O.? Yes? No? Hrm)… But anyway, no one really stops to sign these either, it’s always rush rush rush past.
(Also, I at least feel that much of the flavor of FDL came from the stacked repartee in the comments.)
I agree.
Evening everyone! Got myself registered and am totally legit and my papers are in order. The new place looks good, some adjustments to get used to but no biggie!
PW-I have just about lost all respect for MSM, as you said, it is becoming nothing more than a cut and paste of GOP talking points. And yet the “liberal media” BS continues. Every time I hear someone mention that phrase as gospel truth I want to shake them till their teeth rattle. Metaphorically speaking, of course.
I come from Floral Park, Long Island, offspring of crazy Irish mob “Westies.” I follow NYC stuff. You will see “BobbyG” in the comments at the NY Daliy News site. Rude-E has gotta go down.
Evening, MM! My Warriors might remain undefeated tonite! ESPN2 again… 8-)
If you click on the “In response to…” line, it takes you back to the correct comment, even if the “@ XXX” appears to be incorrect (and your browsers Back button brings you back to current).
Yeah, the nested quotes were nice, but FDL is now a pretty high traffic site, and all those repeated quotes were a big load on the servers.
Good evening dear friends.
Jane, lovely place here. Took a while getting in this afternoon, but very nicely done.
Mad,
That’s part of there strategy to get their talking points out… constantly bemoaning the lefty bias which is of course the reverse. Remember when media matters did the analysis of the guests on MTP and it was weighted way to the right? Remember the run up to the war? That was fair and balanced ha?
No way I can stay up that late. Can’t ya’ll play a bit earlier ;0)
Does anyone here watch LinkTV?
Would you like to come to a FDL meetup in NYC?
The local Arizona Republic
iannewspaper is pretty right wing but it is funny to read the letters to the editors damning them as being TOO liberal.Cute! (But still weird. Ought to narrow down the area where the bug lives even further.)
Running, running, running…leap!
Slow, arcing back lay-out, rolling over the top from sky to water for a nice long dive into the…
(((radio)))
*whew!*
What a beautiful place, Jane!
And it’s working like a charm, eh? Like they say, keep repeating a lie long enough and people will believe it’s the truth. Still makes me nutty!
Heh, the sun’s still shining here… :P
I live in Las Vegas. Wish I could.
Christy’s Mountaineers are in a world of hurt at the moment…
Wanders in all wide eyed in amazement.. tap tap tap, is this thing on?
testing link to wonderful music here.
I can’t watch the teevee for news and politics in this country except LinkTV and Bill Moyers. The rest is sock throwing material. It’s really shameful.
And now we have Don Inus coming back. ABC is repulsive.
My outdoor decorations are on a 4 hour timer that comes on at dusk. They just went off a few minutes ago. If they win are you gonna cash in some miles and come have a drink or three in the Quarter?
So you said you “come” from Floral Park. I assumed that meant that’s where you currently live, not where you spent your formative years. Condolences on living in Las Vegas.
Check your facebook account. I have a question to ask you.
Heh, once again Pitt can knock’em out of title contention in the Backyard Brawl…
PW – the the whole mess is so crazy and convoluted… The ORIGINAL initiative was withdrawn, but there was a 2nd petition (identical to the first but with a different author) introduced 2 months later and is still active. Bradblog rather kicks my ass with the news that there was more than one petition… which we knew, but it was quite unclear how the 2 were supposed to work…
I’m not sure why Hiltachk (author of the 2nd identical initiative) picked up the initiative and replaced the original one… but probably because the 1st author/sponsor seems rather off his nut…
The thing that has me scratching my head is why this sudden hysteria about the date it is due… from what I read on the Sec. of State’s webpage, it is not due until Feb. 4th, but it seems everyone and his brother is saying the deadline is Nov. 30th and acting like the SoS is giving them some special dispensation… don’t know… and money seems awful tight.
A local OC Repug club is ponying up a 100k to help them out… I’m thinking of writing a very polite email (I will wear my white gloves and pearls when I type it) and asking them if they are aware of some of the legal issues around this… I’m guessing they do not… attempting to interrupt the money supply seems like a worthwhile endeavor…
Your re-do is quite nice also!!
Ghouliani trying desperately to change the subject today:
Yeah, that’ll really help. The Suits will undoubtedly invest their tax breaks in America, LOL!!!
Not sure it’s really a bug, at least if moderators are still involved.
A says Zed at 1
B says eff you all dirty hippies at 2 (goes into moderation)
C something at 2, 3? depending on when B’s comment comes out of moderation.
Dude, I LOVE living in Vegas. Seven Deadly Sins, One Convenient Location.
Seems like they are going to an awful lot of trouble to pull a fast one on the voters. Nothing new there, of course, it is GOP SOP.
In my wildest dreams…
So, Jane, you looking to hire a newshound or news ninja for this new blog?
hey BobbyG. floral park! i’m from next door in Franklin Square.
John Dean has an article up on the CA Electoral College issues…
Get out your kayak and start paddling now, you might just make it!
Thanks, I am trying to get it to include the name of the source and the name of the author, but thus far can’t find a template that does that and does everything else i want it to.
Can we get sainthood for Helen Thomas before she dies?
My emphasis
I was born in Rockeville Centre. Lotta my peeps live in Elmont. But I am diggin’ Vegas all the way now!!!
:)
Will ya pay my portage fees through the Panama Canal? ;-)
prolly the only prayer they’ve got!
Perino is very offensive.
Spokesmodel.
I was wondering about that. Since almost all were pretty snappy and there need not have been any database fetches required to construct them each time, my guesstimate was that they cost very little. I came to like them more than any other style of blog commenting, more than the strictly nested commenting threads at dailyKos, for example, and better than the flat style at other, less interesting blogs — blogs which were not necessarily less interesting in their posts, just in the interactions within in the comments. A little project for someone there: correlation between strength of sense of community in blogs and their commenting struture. There may have been a baby in that there bathwater.
We could pass the hat. One guy, a duffel bag and a kayak, how much could it be ;0)
It’s just me. My one-liner about Las Vegas is that if I never visit it once in my life, that is too much. There is absolutely nothing there that has any attraction for me. Loath gambling. Pop culture sucks. I can drink much more cheaply at home. But do I know I’m strange. You betcha.
BTW, I once had to spend overnight in Reno to give a speech the next morning, so I presume that was a wet test for LV. Had a room for $129 that was as big as all outdoors. So f*ckin’ what. As I said, nothing for me there.
“Leave your thoughts” doesn’t seem to work..I find your site quite useful, your find things off the beaten path.
Donna Perino schooling Helen Thomas???
An honor and privilege??
That little twit!
It’s our unpleasant duty to keep tabs on the WH. Twit.
She’s seeming more Stepford-wifeish by the day IMHO. THink they’re slipping something in her morning coffee?
Vegas is worse than TV.
Oh, BobbyG. I live in midtown Manhattan, but avoid Times Square for exactly the same reason as I would never go to LV. Disneyfication.
They can’t transfer the signatures collected on the first to the second [if the wording is the same], can they?
Perino is a chilly bitch.
Funny O/T, speaking of “models” and Vegas:
The lounge waitresses once mounted a class action against having to wear the spike heels and dental floss thong getups. Solution? Job ads in the R-J started asking for “Beverage Models” rather than “cocktail waitresses.”
Jeeeeezzz….
I will never set foot in Las Vagas. It has no redeeming qualities. it should never have been built and it’s not to late to take it down. It doesn’t belong there anyway.
Huckabee Claimed Jesus ‘On The Cross’ Supported The Death Penalty
from Huff Po by The Huffington Post News Editors
Huckabee dodged the question that time. But in 1997, Huckabee claimed that Jesus would have agreed with him on supporting the death penalty. Shortly before a triple execution in Arkansas in Jan. 1997, a caller called into Huckabee’s show on Arkansas Educational Television Network and asking how he squared his Christian teachings with his support for the death penalty. As the Arkansas Times reported on Jan. 22, 1997:
“Interestingly enough,” Huckabee allowed, “if there was ever an occasion for someone to have argued against the death penalty, I think Jesus could have done so on the cross and said, ‘This is an unjust punishment and I deserve clemency’.”
We could pass the hat. One guy, a duffel bag and a kayak, how much could it be ;0)
You’re such a doll! 8-)
nope.
well, pb – not supposed to anyway… the numbers at the tops of the petitions are different, so it would be evident.
Yes she is. Stephanie Miller and company refer to her as the lying sack of cute.
It fits really well.
The new site is a bit less scary for me. I like the news comments feature! I for one, really liked having the quote I was responding to in my reply.
And the GOP would NEVER try anything sneaky!
The admin doesn’t want to face the perfectly good question of how many civilians have been killed? Nor do they want coverage of the returning soldiers, alive or dead. The number of wounded and how they are treated was off limits for some time. No accountability unless it is in the script.
I’d be pretty sure there was an internal DB hit for each quote, and possibly more for nested (though I’ve never looked at WordPad’s internals).
FDL has (or had) the best format for a kitchen-table conversational site. Agonist (which nests comments) is a great format for long term discussions – you can think (even for a day or two) before replying.
But the interaction is completely different. I agree the quoting was nice, but FDL has become popular enough that I’m not sure it’s supportable (especially if you want multiple active threads).
Yes. Helen deserves something big now.
I love Stephanie’s Miller’s show. She and her crew are a hoot.
And on that note, g’nite lakers.
More surprises with tomorrow’s sunrises.
Did you see her comments to Thomas? Revolting¡¡ Dana needs to be told that she will receive a fair hearing at her war crimes trial.
To those of you crackin’ on my Vegas, yeah, it’s got all of the caricature cheesy attributes. But, I am blessed to hang with the baddest peeps in the city, best musicians in the world.
Check this out too. Lotta the same cats. Elegant, stunning work.
BTW- I don’t gamble (I’m , uh, a statistician).
Just replied to you.
Hey SanderO
Don’t be so judgemental. LV is just fine for people who like it. If you don’t, you don’t have to go there.
Nevah!
I figure going after their money is the best thing… they are going to have to “buy” those signatures away from ARNO, the signature soliciting company, and if they don’t have the dough, they don’t have the signatures…
Seems Huckelberry doesn’t know his Bible well. The events of Jesus’ life had to transpire the way that they did for salvation to occur. Jesus knew his fate and that there was no other way. Therefore he would not have argued for clemency in his own case. Throughout his other teachings during his lifetime, however, he never once advocated the death penalty. In fact, he preached tolerance, compassion and love for one’s fellow man. At least that’s what I was taught in Sunday School.
Two million people — residents — in Clark County. Without gaming, this place would be Barstow, though.
ooh. that david bromberg is delicious. thankssss es.
Luv Helen Thomas. Sainthood would not be good enuf. Perhaps 72 experienced males when she gets to heaven? (never did understand that virgin thing.)
Just stuff your duffel with those breadfruit-sized avacados. No problem.
That’s what they tell me ;0)
Did you see her comments to Thomas? Revolting¡¡ Dana needs to be told that she will receive a fair hearing at her war crimes trial.
We should have flowers delivered to Helen – *while* she’s sitting in her front-row seat.
LV is the dumbing down of america. NOLA is going to redone as an LV… It needs to be stamped out. hahahaha
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
I loved the “it should never have been built” part. The MORMONS built it.
I never had any desire to go to LV and then 2 yrs ago had to do a pit stop at the Wynn on the way to CA. The GF love to run the strip in the early AM..the people watching is very interesting…it is a nice break on the way to the West Coast.
BobbyG
LV got any symphony orchestras playing Mozart? That’s my music. And ballet, not long-legs kicking up a storm. Different strokes …. Nice to have places where we can both feel comfortable.
OMG… mistakes were made… they can be fixed. People watching?
I’m outta here.
My point, such as it was, was that the commenting structure may have contributed significantly to that popularity. Thanks for your insight. My brain has now shut down for the night. Best wishes to all.
To good to keep secret. *g*
Wow, it’s down to fourth and long for the Mountaineers hopes…
Second link is no wheno.
We have a philharmonic and a ballet. But, of course, we have no real history, so everything is recent and imported.
http://www.bgladd.com/ChristmasCD
I may have typo’d, and of course you now cannot edit.
I don’t grasp the antecedent, as comment references are still screwed up. If you’re saying the Mormons built LV, all the more off-putting for me. I ski 2-3 times/year (best skiing in the world) in Utah, and am not a big fan of the Mormon mafia.
I ski mostly at Brian Head, 3 hours from here in the southern Wasatch. 9,600 ft base elevation, best powder (and cheapest prices) in UT.
beta-test comment: Anyone notice that the screen scrolls comments in order, then jumps back some distance and puts earlier comments in, so comment 189 may occur just above 180, as it just did for me? Opera on MS-XP. Never happened before or elsewhere.
A relatively short history, sure, but very interesting!
Chris Cillizza sez the rumor is that the Manchester Union Leader, which endorses tomorrow, may endorse Old Lord McCain.
Excellent. I might be convinced to visit! Checking it out on another window. Importation doesn’t matter. The Robber Barons of the Gilded Age are now called philanthropists. I believe Shakespeare coined a phrase: All’s Well …
OT..Did anyone follow the Iowa Black and Brown debate?
Alta for me. Rustler Lodge for nearly 30 years. Haven’t made reservations yet because base is on 33″ & next lowest I’ve seen at this time of year is 45″, which is barely skiable at Alta (VW-size boulders).
We moved here in 1992 for my wife to be the QA manager of the DOE Nevada Test Site environmental cleanup project. I’m glad we did, ‘cuz when my daughter fell ill in Hollywood in 1996, it’d have been terrible had we still been in Knoxville. See http://www.bgladd.com/1in3
Teddy, did you see the debate on Wednesday evening? I thought McCain won, although the experts liked Huckleberry.
I learned to ski at Snowbird. Gasp!!!
Adam Bink at OpenLeft had some live-blogging earlier today that’s certainly worth reading.
OK this may be a radical question but how can the right see the world so completely differently from the left? Is it selective picking of “facts” or ignoring inconvenient truths, or distortion to make them facts fits the agenda?
I simply don’t get the world these people live in. Do you?
SanderO, I recently invested a long night in reading most of Dr Bob Altemeyer’s book on authoritarian leaders and followers. It was incredibly enlightening about the mindset of these folks and their ability to simultaneously maintain inconsistent, conflicting and incongruent ideas and truths in their heads. He spent a career researching and testing these folks. Can’t say I came away with solutions, but did come away reassured about my own sanity and with the relief of knowing I wouldn’t agonize again over how they could possibly say, believe and do the things they do.
I couldn’t recommend his book more highly. It’s a free quick pdf download
from his canadian university site. His style is readable, he’s got some personality tests in there, and it’s amazing to recognize people you know. Mostly it’s a relief to learn the specifics so you can direct your energy into promising areas and not beat your head against the wall.
http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/
No. Did Hillary make it? Details?
I’m still having a really hard time navigating here.
May be to hard.
I’ll check back in a few….
Aw, heck.
I’ll
Yes – usually there are a bunch of duplicated comments. F5 gets rid of them.
I thought Anderson Cooper won! {{ swoon }}
Huckleby certainly did himself well, although I actually thought the Democratic candidate won….
so if there’s no wheel, how do we know when there is a new thread?
what do you need demi?
email me…. let’s see if I can help.
A kindly moderator has dropped by earlier.
Also, you can go to the homepage and refresh madly, if the zed is important to you.
The democratic candidate being whom?
By the way: Corporate America fears the prospect of a Democratic White House and Congress so much that they’re trying to cash in now while Bush is still in the White House:
707!
I learned to ski at Mad River Glen in VT. Alta is Mad River Glen West, meaning it is just as hard, but with no ice. Now Snowbird is even steeper that Alta. Reason is that glacier settled in the top of the box canyon, Alta, & carved out many gentle slopes, like Cecrete. But as the glacier flowed down the canyon, it got squeezed by the granite slopes, which got carved more & more steeply as the canyon descended. The steepest sides of Little Cottonwood are at the bottom, where the Mormons’ document storage caves are located.
Any Democrat! Meaning, those onstage all lost. Bob Hebert’s column today summed it up for me: make the children leave the room for GOP debates, they’re too violent.
new threadiness
Teddy beat me to it
http://firedoglake.com/2007/12…..e-week-11/
new thread up top.
Okay, Teddy. I sure agree that any of our candidates could wallop any of their candidates. I thought you meant of the the republicans was acting like a democrat. Couldn’t figure out what you meant!
Unfortunately, Ds will not reverse any oif the gains that corporatism makes in W administration.
BTW, cuts in W terrorism funding is lead item on NY local news. Intent is to fight it.
terrorism == big pork fest :/
agreed. she can have the sainthood and the 72 experienced males. and let’s also give her a world with leaders that work for the people and the earth!
Such a beautiful girl, I’m so sorry for your loss.
PW, last time you mentioned the STrib I followed your links and about cracked up over the story about their hiring the editor of the St Paul paper (son of the founder, who sold it to McClatchy)to be their editor. The weird acquisition/merger/divestment thing is almost too confusing to follow, but this kid apparently brought all of the St Paul customer lists, ad lists, etc with him to the StPaul’s major competitor… and the ineveitable disclosure hilarity ensued.
Sometimes it seems like the old Knight Ridder reporters and the Toledo Blade reporters may be the only ones left.. Nice to see you staying on the STrib, it matters.
I almost had a conniption when the site went down, but can now conitnue with the best of them.
Seriously, I’m liking the new look.
- Tom
the STrib! worthless right-wing rag *spits* with the doublespeak twins Kersten and Lileks. Thanks to Kersten i have not been willing to read the Strib for several years. They aren’t getting my money until they fire the bitchez.
Thanks PW for an excellent post.
Conitnue is the best new word I’ve seen lately!
We are putting the BlueState to bed here. Good to do so knowing our personal coast guard is out there guarding our constitution.
‘nite all, including lurkers and please delurk more frequently.
lurking moderator, I would gladly give up the tutti frutti pink that tells me I am replying to someone for the ability to block quote that person
also, as suggested before (c. 5 pm EST thread) an FAQ section. perhaps on top of the blog roll, as those who need the FAQ answered probably want to master this blog before going on to 20 others.