The Spin Im In: “Commons” GroundBy: Donita Sparks Friday November 30, 2007 3:24 pm |
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Well, my friend and fellow artist Kristin Hersh and I launched a new endeavor called CASH Music (Coalition of Artists and Stake Holders) this week that got some coverage in WIRED. I’ll fill you in with more details later as we’ve just barely scratched the surface with the site, but for now you can dig into Creative Commons, which we’ve embraced as a framework for our coalition.
http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/187
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Donita and Fini!
hiya Donita!
Hi Donita! Hi fini!
Elliott @ 1
Dang, Ya beat me… :P
good luck with that donita! sounds cool!
yeah! JAY-Z!!
TGIF!
al
Hi, Seems like a good night for music.
I like the site, I love how it talks about how crapped-up the music industry today. Music shouldn’t be given away for free, people need to learn to spend some freakin money for music for once. For example, I’m honestly tired of these stupid people who are a bands “#1 fan” but yet they don’t even support their fave artist and spend a single penny and instead download for free.
By the way, I love how on this week’s playlist has Le Tigre on it!
I’ve heard Creative Commons, but I don’t know anything about it. I’ll take a look at these links. I’m a bit confused to be honest.
CTuttle @ 5
:P right back!
Young Jess™ @ 8
After a while though, Jess, it does get a little tiresome to have to keep buying the same album/8-track/cassette/CD/mp3 just cuz the format has been changed.
dakine01 @ 11
Yeah, that is true, that’s why I keep all the stuff that can still play it :D. I’ve got some vinyls (Really my mom’s) and we’ve got a record player, I’ve also got some of her cassettes and I’ve still got the cassette/CD player. But I’m just being lazy too, I can’t be bugged to go out and buy something new hahahahaha
Howdy everybody!
The lecture is really good at the last link:
http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/187
Oh my goodness, after reading young Jess, I really feel old. Have you ever heard of 8-tracks? One of my prized vinyls is Carole king. I gave all the Beatle ones to a nephew.
Wow, I was just talking about this general subject (artists being able to market their work directly, but still make a living) with a friend at dinner last night. I’ll be very interested in learning more about the new site.
And the collaborative possibilities are intriguing, too. I have a long-delayed project of setting excerpts of Scooter Libby’s grand jury testimony to music (I have some basic tracks recorded, but haven’t done any mixing/arranging yet), and I’d love to get it to a certain point, then upload the tracks and let other folks have at it.
hi donita
that is great! i 100% support you and all other artists—always pay for the music, which is why i love itunes so much!
can’t wait to see another show!
nora
Donita
brilliant idea. of course! I found myself not liking either side of the argument: the RIAA or the “pirates” so this seems really timely, Donita! good luck
ps-nice looking site too. have a great weekend thx
Yo Majesty is da bomb. This mash up is great
JPL @ 14
Oh yeah, definatly, I dunno if my mom has any in the house anywhere…..there might be some at my grandma’s place though….some of my mom’s stuff is still left there, like I saw an 8 track player there (She’s also left some good stuff behind that enjoy finding, I found a 1993 Rolling Stone mag doing an extremely long artical on Riot Grrrl music and I was like “Oh yeah!!”)
JPL @ 14
I inherited my older brothers’ 8 tracks. I wore out the Supertramp - Breakfast In America tape. I also got in on one of the last Columbia House 8track deals in which I bought the Police - Synchronicity 8 track.
Hey Donita!
really enjoying the mix tonight. Just wondering if your at all familiar with DJ Kio Kio. He’s my cousin and apparently in your woods. He gave me a cd He’d put together quite a while back and it was awesome.
Young Jess™ @ 12
I’ve still got all my vinyl and turntable (though haven’t hooked it up in a few moves) but knew I had to start migrating to digital when my Allman Brothers albums had more pops and scratches than music.
If I had know I could have been so musically successful as a busdriver 10 years ago, I wouldn’t have chosen to pull a rickshaw!!!
Swopa @ 15
can’t wait for this Swopa!
I can’t help it. When it comes to Christmas, I’m a little kid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMn2r_DQ4CE
Please remember the kids this Christmas, especially those little guys who suffer the adult outrage of abuse and those who come from dysfunctional families. Many of these innocent children will be afraid, and will cry silently and feel so very alone on Christmas Eve. Help them if you can.
Merry Christmas!
hi, donita! best of luck with the new venture as well as with everything you do.
after all the years of struggle and hardship, it looks like things are finally going your way, which makes me very happy. i wish you all the luck, success and happiness, both professionally and personally, in the world.
as for the topic at hand, you can call it filesharing or downloading, but icall it for what it really is- theft.
dakine01 @ 22
The Allman’s? Have you seen Tom Dowd and the Language of Music? He engineered almost all of the Atlantic Catalog. It’s killer.
Hello everyone.
I just read the table behind the “truth” link ( http://www.negativland.com/albini.html ) given your new website. Wow. I didn’t know it was that bad. Negativland was the band that once got in conflict with some representatives of U2, right?
Donita Sparks @ 0
I hope it works out for you. Will your upcoming album be available through this service or will you go the regular way?
On a remotely related topic: Does anybody have some information on how “In Rainbows” worked out for Radiohead?
Swopa @ 15
That sounds great. Exactly what Creative Commons is about. Being able to legally use “some rights reserved” material to put your creative stamp on. This is a reality way of life with current technology where art goes both ways (Read Write) as opposed to one way (Read-Read).
Hey Donita!!!!!
How have you been?
It’s a very cool site,also digg this week playlist.
You are incredible!!
Love Ya!!
xoxo
raven @ 27
Seen it a couple of times at least. Dowd produced Otis as well as the Allmans and both are on my top top top lists.
He also re-mastered the Fillmore East into the “Fillmore Tapes”. Two-disc set where they pulled the best of all nights at the Fillmore (basically East and Eat a Peach combined). Great down to Duane’s rap at the end.
Dang, that’s a Ginormous idea.
Make it happen, Cap’n!
nicelyput @ 17
Thanks so much! We’re very excited about a lot of stuff coming up at CASH.
By the way, I don’t like either extreme sides of the “downloading” argument. CC seams very modern and sensible to me. I get a kick out of people interpreting my stuff.
finifinito @ 20
“Take the Long Way Home’? Is that on that one?
If you are referring to their experiment where people could choose to pay or not for the music, human nature won over altruism about 3 to 1 last I heard.
Jennifer (YJ’s mom) @ 21
Hi Jennifer and Young Jess! I haven’t heard of DJ Kio Kio yet. He’s in LA?
Sorry to go OT, but the last segment of Democracy Now was extremely potent.
You can read about it here with links to the video (which is absolutely riveting).
Back to your regularly scheduled Fri night.
I just read that Warner Music Group just announced they only made a $5 million profit last year. In that article they stated no exact figures are released by Radiohead, but that it is estimated they either made $5 - 10 million. The writer remarked about how embarrassing it is for the CEO Edgar Bronfman Jr. to have a single band experimenting online make as much as one of the Big Five. It is a truly revolutionary time in Music Biz 2.0 right now. Nine Inch Nails is going to make more with Trent Reznor’s next release.
Nice write up in Wired. Very interesting site you have. I like the quotes on the homepage. Gonzo Hunter!
finifinito @ 38
Hardcore Radiohead fans wanted the physical box set too.
1,674 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Donita Sparks and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
YOU ROCK,WOMAN!!! (…andja got good taste in music for someone so young)
KEEP THE FAITH AND KEEP PLAYIN THE MUSIC!!
Donita Sparks @ 36
His real name is Carlo Chiocchio (too complicated to pronounce). I’m not sure when exactly he started spinning records but I know he was in Miami up until a few years ago. He travels quite a bit doing gigs globally.
It’s really a simple concept, the core audience of every band will remain loyal for decades. I see more and more examples of this with touring acts still hitting the road year after year. GWAR just came through Indy and sold 1400 tickets at $25 a pop. The whole audience was their core followers and next generation new fans attracted to the band even though their heyday occurred long ago. These guys got swamped at the merch tables too. They had a great night here.
finifinito @ 38
Ha, I like that Music Biz 2.0. Did you read the post by Howie Klein :
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....74203.html
Really good.
NorskeFlamethrower @ 41
Thank you Citizen NorskeFlamethrower!
hey, donita, since fini mentioned gwar, i’ve got a question. several years ago, i worked with a woman whose husband was in a band and they were friends with gwar. she told me that one of the guys dated someone from L7 but i forgot who. care to remind me?
GWAR! I’ve been of theirs for years. I’m glad they’re still out there, though I admit that I haven’t been to one of their shows in a long time.
Did you get to see them?
I just read that Howie article, that was awesome. This is why I love Howie by the way, he seems to have “gotten it” about the Internet really early on. On not just a personal level but in business and even in his activism.
Woohoo!! Donita, WIRED and TED in the same post!!!
I think I done died and gone to heaven!!
sinnerman @ 46
I don’t really get into GWAR but my good friend Jimmy was their local roadie for the day and shadowed them all day when they were here. He works for the backline production company and they always loan him out to bands coming through like that. He’s met a lot of really interesting folks. He just worked with BB King last weekend.
Jane’s upstairs.
Donita Sparks @ 29
Just to give other folks a meager sense of what Donita means by “read-write” art:
Before — Go to this MySpace page and click to play the song “Something” on the music player (original demo with vocal, acoustic guitar, bass and drums).
After — An MP3 download (4.4MB) of the same song, with some idiot’s feeble lead guitar track added.
Kristin Hersh is essentially offering to let dozens, hundreds, or thousands of strangers do this to her songs, including the ability to remove or remix the original tracks (instead of just adding stuff). And then people can tinker with each others’ versions.
That lecture is a lot to process, but I liked it. Seems like a logical way to keep up with the times instead of spinning wheels and getting nowhere with lawsuits.
Too funny. The teenager, eyebrows raised, asked me to turn down the volume.
Although I must say I had to do that on the Yo Majesty/Depeche Mode mix, a little too much for the 10-year-old’s ears. Really don’t want him singing “f*ck it” to himself at school…
Heh.
I remember when GWAR played in my friend living room for a house party.. My ears rang for a week.
Rayne @ 53
Happens all the time with my friends (Ages 10 to 12), they LOVE rap and they’ll sing along into their i-pods and make up these really stupid dance moves to it. It’s pretty annoying when you’re the only one listening to Bikini Kill and they’ve got Soulja Boy or whatever the hell it’s called blasting out of their players
Donita is there a way to listen without downloading? I’m a cheap something or other. but do not want to down load without paying. I might feel guilty.
cheflovesbeer @ 56
Try imeem, Napster or SpiralFrog. These are ad supported legal download services that also offer on demand streaming over the Internet.
cheflovesbeer @ 57
The beauty is to not feel guilty. But you do bring up an interesting point.
We may have streaming soon.
In the meantime, check out what Kristin’s fans have done with their remixes of her song “Slippershelll”. Please, download away!
http://kristinhersh.cashmusic.org/read-write.php
Cheflovesbeer,
you could always just click on the file — it *should* automatically stream in your browser. If you want to save it, just right-click and select “save as…”
More Ferro Gaita from Cape Verde:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YRr2ds_94Rk. I was wrong last week when I said this was recorded in France. Rather, of course, in Praia, Santiago Is., Cape Verde. The story of music in Africa is one long tragedy of piracy. Ferro Gaita produces its own recordings and markets them through Cape Verde On Line.
And then, for a change of not so much pace but flavor: From Mali: the great Bassekou Kouyate and his band Ngoni Ba. http://youtube.com/watch?v=2zAcQPjkOkA
Ami Sack, the bandleader’s wife, is the lead vocalist. Ngoni Ba’s 2007 recording Segu Blue, on which he goes a long way to prove that blues hatched centuries ago from an instrument he and his ancestors have mastered, will be on many if not all World Music Critics’ top ten of the year lists.
Hi from D.C.! Just wanted to say that I really hope Donita makes some of her music available for “read-write,” as well.
I play the bass and guitar, and I put field recordings into my songs sometimes since they’re instrumental and I am not inclined to sing…
I would love the opportunity to get to play around with Donita’s music. L7’s music wasn’t too suitable for remixing-type stuff or sampling it seemed (when I tried a couple years back)… and now CSS has gone and done “Pretend We’re Dead.” (It was great seeing them do it live at the Virgin Festival, by the way!) “Pretend We’re Dead,” had lots of room in it, not to mention, the never-ending guitar riff….
Anyway, Donita, looking forward to what comes of CASH Music!!!