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		<title>By: Julia</title>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m afraid &lt;a href=&quot;http://nomoremister.blogspot.com/2004/12/why-is-kerik-out-new-york-daily-news.html&quot;&gt;hero&lt;/a&gt; isn’t the word I would have come up with for Larry Ray&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Synjam</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/30/late-night-old-friends/#comment-1128619</link>
		<dc:creator>Synjam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 09:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What you have not heard and you’re about to learn is, Larry Ray is an innocent man. He was set up with the stock fraud incident to quiet him. To learn more go to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.truthwins.info&quot;&gt;www.truthwins.info&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
The true characters of the aformentioned individuals will be coming out soon…..watch for the articles written in the Washington Post in next week or so….Larry Ray is a hero…. he has been a victim and suffering for exposing information to save this country from more internal disaster.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Gary Hart, April 29,2007&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Your letter is a responsible and refreshing stride toward the truth. There are “many truths” along the path in a journey of this nature. Where one stops as the destination is a matter of intention. To those who are unaware and believe what they are told, often have no means of knowing whether it is the whole picture or the real truth.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The fact is that Rudy Giuliani is a criminal and a member of a criminal enterprise. Others involved in the enterprise are President Bush, Vice President Cheney, Bernard Kerik and too many to mention in this letter. They did not want to stop 9/11 they intended to let it happen, then profit from it. Giuliani is one of those who made enormous profits in the first Twenty Four Hrs. Those involved already effectively owned the stock of select companies, which would be selling technology and related products/services post attack. Members in “The Criminal Enterprise” had been paid well before 9/11. Americans were sold out in a sinister plot, which transacted its early deals in the Middle East by Dick Cheney and others, years before the Clintons stepped foot in the White House. Bernard Kerik and I met in what seemed unintended in 1995 in a Luncheonette in N.J. It was not an accident on the part of Kerik and others. By 1998 Kerik asked me to be his best man. An important step in their plan in 1998, which has now failed. Their advance planning techniques are effective to most. “Plausible deniability” being the single most frequent trait in a simple pattern. A common calling card when any bright prosecutor is an active criminal disguised as a prosecutor. When they could not buy me or my services they decided to ruin my credibility, starting by framing me in a Federal indictment in March 2000, based on a report by Bernard Kerik’s best friend special agent Gary Uher who I briefed on their criminal activity in 1998.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For many years I have been working to expose the truth, in an effective yet responsible manner about Bush, Cheney, Giuliani, kerik and a criminal enterprise. Objectives being to prevent as much of the harm and damage to our country as possible and to see these reprobates brought to Justice. The record of my work in this regard is clear. I am the one who exposed Giuliani and Kerik In November 2004 to the N.Y. Daily News reporter Russ Buetner. No one else did. They subsequently attacked my two minor daughters, Talia and Ava in a gruesome manner. They got my ex-wife to go along because she coincidently had her own tragic-secret to hide so it served her purpose.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Included in the more than 2,600 audio recordings I made of conversations with others, I have recorded Government officials saying they were told “it is the republican party Line to destroy Larry Ray”, before I exposed Giuliani and Kerik in November 2004. Why would they want to do that? I agreed to work with the New York City Department of Investigation on the Kerik/Giuliani investigation Dec 20, 2004. Walter Arsenault had contacted me after I put out the news in Nov/Dec 2004. It seems D.O.I.was actually a “Trojan Horse” intending to do damage control, find out what evidence I had, secure it, bury the investigation, bury me and I can prove exactly that. Where were they before I gave it to the Daily News? These criminals fleeced New York on the watch of The First Deputy Commissioner of New York City’s Dept. of Investigation Walter Arsenault. During the 2 yr investigation Walter Arsenault was in regular communication with the Bush White House. I have recordings of my conversations with Walter Arsenault.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Being that Kerik had to step down after being nominated by President Bush to head America’s office of Homeland Security, why hadn’t the F.B.I. launched a thorough investigation? After all, it involved National Security, it involved the President of the United States, it crossed state lines and it happened in the White House. I believe the jurisdiction belonged to the F.B.I. Seems Federal to me. Why wasn’t the president outraged and responsible enough to order the F.B.I. to investigate? What was the Attorney General of the United States thinking ? Is Alberto Gonzales even allowed to think ? How come Gonzales did not take action? What about Vice President Cheney’s take charge personality? Cheney may have been to busy, maybe aboard the Sequoia with Greenspan as his guest.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now that America knows the Bush/Cheney White House knew about Kerik before President Bush nominated him, it is also abundantly clear they did do something. President Bush, Vice President Cheney, Alberto Gonzales and others agreed to lie to America by telling the world at large Bernard Kerik stepped down because he forgot to pay her taxes, a bald faced lie. With what I came to know about Bernard Kerik his&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The F.B.I. is the best Investigative Law Enforcement Agency in the entire world in my opinion. I have worked with the F.B.I. on and off for twelve years and have experience with different agencies in various parts of the world for twenty-six years. The men and women I have worked with at the F.B.I. are honorable, bright, dedicated and well trained. They were told to stand down regarding Giuliani/Kerik. Not what these professional men and women wanted to do. Instead an agency in N.Y.C. did the investigation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Had the D.O.I. done their job in the nineties, Giuliani and Kerik would have never been thru the gates at the White House, they would have been behind the gates of a prison. If others and I were aware, so was Walter Arsenault.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We had been working in the Eastern European Region and in 1994 it became clear to me that there existed a very dedicated effort to execute a large scale terrorist attack on the United States. None of us knew at the time in 1994 the attack would come to be known as 9/11. My effort since to expose the truth has been unnaturally difficult, unnaturally long and unnaturally costly. The American Terrorists; the very corrupt Bush/Cheney White House, and many corrupt politicians and officials such as Gonzales, Chertoff, Giuliani/Kerik , and Wolfowitz to only name a few. The ENEMY WITHIN.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My two little girls and I have paid an unimaginable price and still are. Hurting my children is more painful than every other tactic they used to discourage and /or stop me in their effort to make sure I did not expose what I discovered in my work in Eastern Europe during the Bush Sr. Presidency regarding activities of Dick Cheney and others.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;N.A.T.O. I had been brought in to the Kosovo Crisis in an effort to avoid the senseless casualties to come in a ground offensive. I feel the Pentagon very accurately estimated anticipated casualties if a ground assault commenced. After I listened to the intelligence briefing the first night I was in Belgium at N.A.T.O. Headquarters, based on my analysis I presented a recommendation, which I believed to be the only available option. All in the room with the exception of Colonel Sponbeck agreed with me and asked how do we implement. I designed and submitted my tactical plan as I saw it. The necessary steps were completed over the next two days and I was then authorized. My first stop in the operation was Moscow. I accomplished both objectives, the cessation of the bombing campaign and mitigate the need for a ground offensive, thus avoiding the senseless loss of ground troops.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I had also been tasked after flight 800 went down while Departing N.Y., to locate and retrieve any of the surplus Stinger Missiles we supplied when we appropriately backed the Mujahidin during the Afghan Conflict. I was tasked originally by the F.B.I. I located and arranged to take that load of stingers out of circulation. There were logistical problems for the Bureau and time not being friendly I completed that task with the C.I.A. I am told it was the largest load recovered at the time, which concerned me since I was tasked due to an emergent need, before that I had never paid attention to that recovery program and I would have thought we as a Nation would have been more successful in that regard.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Mr. Hart I presume you have more than enough experience to know that any individual who is capable of successfully attaining objectives as the ones I state in this letter must be regarded in a particular manner to be tasked to begin with. I am and always have been proud of the fact I am an American.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The current exposure of President Bush, Vice President Cheney, and others yet to be named, for lying to the American people about the link between Sadam Hussein and Al queda is directly due to my effort. It is well documented. The Washington Post Easter Sunday Cover Article, about the Bush White House and U.S. Attorney Gonzales knowing in advance about Bernard kerik Rudy Giuliani happened because I gave it to the Washington Post. Take a look at what was going on before and after that article.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;President Bush, Vice President Cheney and others are responsible for the murders of United States Marines and other U.S. Military Personnel. How did it get this far?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The thread of conspiracy runs from President Bush, V.P. Cheney, Mike Chertoff, Bernard kerik all the way down trhu Judge Thomas Dilts, Judge Julie Marino, Judge Anne Bartlett, the D.Y.F.S office in Somerset County Court, Union County Prosecutors Office, Livingston twp and others in New Jersey who continue to harm my two children in the effort to harm me so I will not or can not expose the truth and/or testify. I will not rest until all responsible are exposed and charged for their crimes. Then it will be the responsibility of the Justice system in America to administer the law in a balanced and honest manner, nothing less, nothing more. It is of paramount importance to all of us the system do as it is intended in order for our country to begin healing. No witch hunts and burnings, yet no special favors either. All Americans and the entire world are already watching.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Senator Hart, I was aware pre 9/11 of the reports you reference, including briefings with N.Y. Port Authority. Giuliani did do things, one was to build the Ultra Expensive Emergency Command Office in the World Trade Center, just one more for people to ask ” how could Rudy have made a mistake like that “? It is simple he didn’t make a mistake, it is the same pattern of his advance planning, he intended it to be one of several seeds of doubt to the public, worst yet maybe a jury. The same as asking, how could a man as smart as Rudy make someone who, is as ignorant, has a record of ties to organized crime and as uneducated as Bernard Kerik not only commissioner of corrections but then make him the New York City Police Commissioner? To ask it is to answer it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It is interesting after I fought alone for so long and have endured so much stating all along that Bush/Cheney wants America to go to war with Iraq for a sinister criminal agenda and finally get it out in the media, now George Tenet comes out stating the same thing. Curious.&lt;br /&gt;
I hope some committee is already prepared to plug the wholes in our National Security due to many people who hold positions across the country in Homeland Security jobs as installs by Giuliani, Cheney, Kerik, or Chertoff.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am confident Mr. Giuliani and others will soon be charged, arrested and in jail awaiting trial for more than just witness tampering. I know, since I am one of the witness’s Giuliani has tampered with.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Many of them are guilty of Treason.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have recently contacted the office of Hillary Clinton since she wants to question Rudy Giuliani in an open forum regarding the removal of the World Trade Center debris. I have not heard back from her.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have supportive evidence and can prove any of the above. I am willing to speak with you further if you like. You can contact me by email &lt;a href=&quot;mailto:nisacray@gmail.com&quot;&gt;nisacray@gmail.com&lt;/a&gt; or can always ask Chuck Pitman, or Jim Jones, two very honorable friends.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Warm Regards,&lt;br /&gt;
Lawrence Ray&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you have not heard and you’re about to learn is, Larry Ray is an innocent man. He was set up with the stock fraud incident to quiet him. To learn more go to <a href="http://www.truthwins.info">http://www.truthwins.info</a><br />
The true characters of the aformentioned individuals will be coming out soon…..watch for the articles written in the Washington Post in next week or so….Larry Ray is a hero…. he has been a victim and suffering for exposing information to save this country from more internal disaster.</p>
<p>Gary Hart, April 29,2007</p>
<p>Your letter is a responsible and refreshing stride toward the truth. There are “many truths” along the path in a journey of this nature. Where one stops as the destination is a matter of intention. To those who are unaware and believe what they are told, often have no means of knowing whether it is the whole picture or the real truth.</p>
<p>The fact is that Rudy Giuliani is a criminal and a member of a criminal enterprise. Others involved in the enterprise are President Bush, Vice President Cheney, Bernard Kerik and too many to mention in this letter. They did not want to stop 9/11 they intended to let it happen, then profit from it. Giuliani is one of those who made enormous profits in the first Twenty Four Hrs. Those involved already effectively owned the stock of select companies, which would be selling technology and related products/services post attack. Members in “The Criminal Enterprise” had been paid well before 9/11. Americans were sold out in a sinister plot, which transacted its early deals in the Middle East by Dick Cheney and others, years before the Clintons stepped foot in the White House. Bernard Kerik and I met in what seemed unintended in 1995 in a Luncheonette in N.J. It was not an accident on the part of Kerik and others. By 1998 Kerik asked me to be his best man. An important step in their plan in 1998, which has now failed. Their advance planning techniques are effective to most. “Plausible deniability” being the single most frequent trait in a simple pattern. A common calling card when any bright prosecutor is an active criminal disguised as a prosecutor. When they could not buy me or my services they decided to ruin my credibility, starting by framing me in a Federal indictment in March 2000, based on a report by Bernard Kerik’s best friend special agent Gary Uher who I briefed on their criminal activity in 1998.</p>
<p>For many years I have been working to expose the truth, in an effective yet responsible manner about Bush, Cheney, Giuliani, kerik and a criminal enterprise. Objectives being to prevent as much of the harm and damage to our country as possible and to see these reprobates brought to Justice. The record of my work in this regard is clear. I am the one who exposed Giuliani and Kerik In November 2004 to the N.Y. Daily News reporter Russ Buetner. No one else did. They subsequently attacked my two minor daughters, Talia and Ava in a gruesome manner. They got my ex-wife to go along because she coincidently had her own tragic-secret to hide so it served her purpose.</p>
<p>Included in the more than 2,600 audio recordings I made of conversations with others, I have recorded Government officials saying they were told “it is the republican party Line to destroy Larry Ray”, before I exposed Giuliani and Kerik in November 2004. Why would they want to do that? I agreed to work with the New York City Department of Investigation on the Kerik/Giuliani investigation Dec 20, 2004. Walter Arsenault had contacted me after I put out the news in Nov/Dec 2004. It seems D.O.I.was actually a “Trojan Horse” intending to do damage control, find out what evidence I had, secure it, bury the investigation, bury me and I can prove exactly that. Where were they before I gave it to the Daily News? These criminals fleeced New York on the watch of The First Deputy Commissioner of New York City’s Dept. of Investigation Walter Arsenault. During the 2 yr investigation Walter Arsenault was in regular communication with the Bush White House. I have recordings of my conversations with Walter Arsenault.</p>
<p>Being that Kerik had to step down after being nominated by President Bush to head America’s office of Homeland Security, why hadn’t the F.B.I. launched a thorough investigation? After all, it involved National Security, it involved the President of the United States, it crossed state lines and it happened in the White House. I believe the jurisdiction belonged to the F.B.I. Seems Federal to me. Why wasn’t the president outraged and responsible enough to order the F.B.I. to investigate? What was the Attorney General of the United States thinking ? Is Alberto Gonzales even allowed to think ? How come Gonzales did not take action? What about Vice President Cheney’s take charge personality? Cheney may have been to busy, maybe aboard the Sequoia with Greenspan as his guest.</p>
<p>Now that America knows the Bush/Cheney White House knew about Kerik before President Bush nominated him, it is also abundantly clear they did do something. President Bush, Vice President Cheney, Alberto Gonzales and others agreed to lie to America by telling the world at large Bernard Kerik stepped down because he forgot to pay her taxes, a bald faced lie. With what I came to know about Bernard Kerik his</p>
<p>The F.B.I. is the best Investigative Law Enforcement Agency in the entire world in my opinion. I have worked with the F.B.I. on and off for twelve years and have experience with different agencies in various parts of the world for twenty-six years. The men and women I have worked with at the F.B.I. are honorable, bright, dedicated and well trained. They were told to stand down regarding Giuliani/Kerik. Not what these professional men and women wanted to do. Instead an agency in N.Y.C. did the investigation.</p>
<p>Had the D.O.I. done their job in the nineties, Giuliani and Kerik would have never been thru the gates at the White House, they would have been behind the gates of a prison. If others and I were aware, so was Walter Arsenault.</p>
<p>We had been working in the Eastern European Region and in 1994 it became clear to me that there existed a very dedicated effort to execute a large scale terrorist attack on the United States. None of us knew at the time in 1994 the attack would come to be known as 9/11. My effort since to expose the truth has been unnaturally difficult, unnaturally long and unnaturally costly. The American Terrorists; the very corrupt Bush/Cheney White House, and many corrupt politicians and officials such as Gonzales, Chertoff, Giuliani/Kerik , and Wolfowitz to only name a few. The ENEMY WITHIN.</p>
<p>My two little girls and I have paid an unimaginable price and still are. Hurting my children is more painful than every other tactic they used to discourage and /or stop me in their effort to make sure I did not expose what I discovered in my work in Eastern Europe during the Bush Sr. Presidency regarding activities of Dick Cheney and others.</p>
<p>N.A.T.O. I had been brought in to the Kosovo Crisis in an effort to avoid the senseless casualties to come in a ground offensive. I feel the Pentagon very accurately estimated anticipated casualties if a ground assault commenced. After I listened to the intelligence briefing the first night I was in Belgium at N.A.T.O. Headquarters, based on my analysis I presented a recommendation, which I believed to be the only available option. All in the room with the exception of Colonel Sponbeck agreed with me and asked how do we implement. I designed and submitted my tactical plan as I saw it. The necessary steps were completed over the next two days and I was then authorized. My first stop in the operation was Moscow. I accomplished both objectives, the cessation of the bombing campaign and mitigate the need for a ground offensive, thus avoiding the senseless loss of ground troops.</p>
<p>I had also been tasked after flight 800 went down while Departing N.Y., to locate and retrieve any of the surplus Stinger Missiles we supplied when we appropriately backed the Mujahidin during the Afghan Conflict. I was tasked originally by the F.B.I. I located and arranged to take that load of stingers out of circulation. There were logistical problems for the Bureau and time not being friendly I completed that task with the C.I.A. I am told it was the largest load recovered at the time, which concerned me since I was tasked due to an emergent need, before that I had never paid attention to that recovery program and I would have thought we as a Nation would have been more successful in that regard.</p>
<p>Mr. Hart I presume you have more than enough experience to know that any individual who is capable of successfully attaining objectives as the ones I state in this letter must be regarded in a particular manner to be tasked to begin with. I am and always have been proud of the fact I am an American.</p>
<p>The current exposure of President Bush, Vice President Cheney, and others yet to be named, for lying to the American people about the link between Sadam Hussein and Al queda is directly due to my effort. It is well documented. The Washington Post Easter Sunday Cover Article, about the Bush White House and U.S. Attorney Gonzales knowing in advance about Bernard kerik Rudy Giuliani happened because I gave it to the Washington Post. Take a look at what was going on before and after that article.</p>
<p>President Bush, Vice President Cheney and others are responsible for the murders of United States Marines and other U.S. Military Personnel. How did it get this far?</p>
<p>The thread of conspiracy runs from President Bush, V.P. Cheney, Mike Chertoff, Bernard kerik all the way down trhu Judge Thomas Dilts, Judge Julie Marino, Judge Anne Bartlett, the D.Y.F.S office in Somerset County Court, Union County Prosecutors Office, Livingston twp and others in New Jersey who continue to harm my two children in the effort to harm me so I will not or can not expose the truth and/or testify. I will not rest until all responsible are exposed and charged for their crimes. Then it will be the responsibility of the Justice system in America to administer the law in a balanced and honest manner, nothing less, nothing more. It is of paramount importance to all of us the system do as it is intended in order for our country to begin healing. No witch hunts and burnings, yet no special favors either. All Americans and the entire world are already watching.</p>
<p>Senator Hart, I was aware pre 9/11 of the reports you reference, including briefings with N.Y. Port Authority. Giuliani did do things, one was to build the Ultra Expensive Emergency Command Office in the World Trade Center, just one more for people to ask ” how could Rudy have made a mistake like that “? It is simple he didn’t make a mistake, it is the same pattern of his advance planning, he intended it to be one of several seeds of doubt to the public, worst yet maybe a jury. The same as asking, how could a man as smart as Rudy make someone who, is as ignorant, has a record of ties to organized crime and as uneducated as Bernard Kerik not only commissioner of corrections but then make him the New York City Police Commissioner? To ask it is to answer it.</p>
<p>It is interesting after I fought alone for so long and have endured so much stating all along that Bush/Cheney wants America to go to war with Iraq for a sinister criminal agenda and finally get it out in the media, now George Tenet comes out stating the same thing. Curious.<br />
I hope some committee is already prepared to plug the wholes in our National Security due to many people who hold positions across the country in Homeland Security jobs as installs by Giuliani, Cheney, Kerik, or Chertoff.</p>
<p>I am confident Mr. Giuliani and others will soon be charged, arrested and in jail awaiting trial for more than just witness tampering. I know, since I am one of the witness’s Giuliani has tampered with.</p>
<p>Many of them are guilty of Treason.</p>
<p>I have recently contacted the office of Hillary Clinton since she wants to question Rudy Giuliani in an open forum regarding the removal of the World Trade Center debris. I have not heard back from her.</p>
<p>I have supportive evidence and can prove any of the above. I am willing to speak with you further if you like. You can contact me by email <a href="mailto:nisacray@gmail.com">nisacray@gmail.com</a> or can always ask Chuck Pitman, or Jim Jones, two very honorable friends.</p>
<p>Warm Regards,<br />
Lawrence Ray</p>
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		<title>By: eskyesq</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/30/late-night-old-friends/#comment-1127571</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 23:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Giuliani has been a known liar, crook, phony, fraud, and otherwise bad guy since his years as US Attorney. A headline hunter and glory grabber, he has a clear record of bogus indictments, slander, and libellous accusations aimed had promoting Rudy and destroying people’s lives as collateral damage. Even the Schumer/Feinstein betrayal of the Constitution in the Mukasey confirmation, still unexplained, can be traced to Rudy, New York politics, and the interlocking relationships involving Schumer, Rudy, Mukasey, et al.  What bothers me is that there are a voteload of boondocks morons who accept Rudy as America’s mayor and can’t be pursuaded by facts or even the rumor of contrary facts. Rudy’s worse than Bush, a two bit prosecutor with no qualifications for any office involving real intelligence, humanity, empathy, or common decency. It aint a joke. Sociopath is merely a definition of the man.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Giuliani has been a known liar, crook, phony, fraud, and otherwise bad guy since his years as US Attorney. A headline hunter and glory grabber, he has a clear record of bogus indictments, slander, and libellous accusations aimed had promoting Rudy and destroying people’s lives as collateral damage. Even the Schumer/Feinstein betrayal of the Constitution in the Mukasey confirmation, still unexplained, can be traced to Rudy, New York politics, and the interlocking relationships involving Schumer, Rudy, Mukasey, et al.  What bothers me is that there are a voteload of boondocks morons who accept Rudy as America’s mayor and can’t be pursuaded by facts or even the rumor of contrary facts. Rudy’s worse than Bush, a two bit prosecutor with no qualifications for any office involving real intelligence, humanity, empathy, or common decency. It aint a joke. Sociopath is merely a definition of the man.</p>
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		<title>By: consulting &#187; Blog Archive &#187; late night old friends</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/30/late-night-old-friends/#comment-1127369</link>
		<dc:creator>consulting &#187; Blog Archive &#187; late night old friends</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 22:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 17:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Boo Radley</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/30/late-night-old-friends/#comment-1126838</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 12:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Julie, a revered commenter here and at tnh, Mary, had an excellent take on the synergies you lay out. Once you have unified intelligence networks, the Mob becomes the government’s death squad. A wise guy might not relish taking out a journalist a blogger, or a whistleblower, but if it keeps him out of jail, he’s going to do it, just the same.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Julie, a revered commenter here and at tnh, Mary, had an excellent take on the synergies you lay out. Once you have unified intelligence networks, the Mob becomes the government’s death squad. A wise guy might not relish taking out a journalist a blogger, or a whistleblower, but if it keeps him out of jail, he’s going to do it, just the same.</p>
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		<title>By: wigwam</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/30/late-night-old-friends/#comment-1126274</link>
		<dc:creator>wigwam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 06:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1126136&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;CTuttle @ 99&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Wigwam, speaking of sacrifice, “Democratic leaders will abandon attempts to repeal nearly $16 billion in tax breaks to the oil industry as had been approved by the House earlier this year.”&lt;br /&gt;
Nice to see our newly elected Majority cave once again…  8-(&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Once again, we need inside insight (aka “situational awareness”).  Who were the dem leaders pushing this?  Hillary?  Reid?  Obama?  Lieberman?  We are into primary season, the time when the rank-and-file have their greatest leverage.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1126136"><em>CTuttle @ 99</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Wigwam, speaking of sacrifice, “Democratic leaders will abandon attempts to repeal nearly $16 billion in tax breaks to the oil industry as had been approved by the House earlier this year.”<br />
Nice to see our newly elected Majority cave once again…  8-(</p>
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<p>Once again, we need inside insight (aka “situational awareness”).  Who were the dem leaders pushing this?  Hillary?  Reid?  Obama?  Lieberman?  We are into primary season, the time when the rank-and-file have their greatest leverage.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann in AZ</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/30/late-night-old-friends/#comment-1126225</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann in AZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 06:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Just got done working, so I thought I’d stop in.  I don’t have time to read the entire post, or I’ll be up till 6:00 AM, but I did skim it. That’s when I knew I had to comment, since it seems to be in large part about one of my first cousins.  Guy was my father’s oldest sister’s oldest son.  Uncle Bob, Guy’s father, was also in politics, so that means 3 generations.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I was 11 when my father died, and the family pretty much lost track after that.  I only saw my grandfather and one of my uncle’s (my dad’s brother)once since then, and no other members of that side of the family.  We heard when Guy got married and when they had Susan, but the extent of family contact with that side of the family has only been reading about them in the news, so I doubt that Susan even knows I exist.  The funny thing is, we were looking thru some old pictures Thanksgiving and there were several with two young boys that I think were Guy and his brother Bobby.  I’ll have to read the post in the morning when I have more time to comprehend.  Sure is odd that the world is getting so much smaller every day!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just got done working, so I thought I’d stop in.  I don’t have time to read the entire post, or I’ll be up till 6:00 AM, but I did skim it. That’s when I knew I had to comment, since it seems to be in large part about one of my first cousins.  Guy was my father’s oldest sister’s oldest son.  Uncle Bob, Guy’s father, was also in politics, so that means 3 generations.</p>
<p>I was 11 when my father died, and the family pretty much lost track after that.  I only saw my grandfather and one of my uncle’s (my dad’s brother)once since then, and no other members of that side of the family.  We heard when Guy got married and when they had Susan, but the extent of family contact with that side of the family has only been reading about them in the news, so I doubt that Susan even knows I exist.  The funny thing is, we were looking thru some old pictures Thanksgiving and there were several with two young boys that I think were Guy and his brother Bobby.  I’ll have to read the post in the morning when I have more time to comprehend.  Sure is odd that the world is getting so much smaller every day!</p>
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		<title>By: bonkers</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/30/late-night-old-friends/#comment-1126190</link>
		<dc:creator>bonkers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 06:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1126127&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;wigwam @ 90&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;U.S. corporations, their boards, and their CEOs are judged on near-term dividends.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://money.cnn.com/2006/02/07/news/companies/gm/index.htm&quot;&gt;Not necessarily.&lt;/a&gt;  Rick Wagoner is being kept at the helm of GM for his long term plan, even though GM’s dividend has been dropping for years, especially this year.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Too bad his “vision” isn’t visionary, like Toyota’s or Honda’s.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1126127"><em>wigwam @ 90</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>U.S. corporations, their boards, and their CEOs are judged on near-term dividends.</p>
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<p><a href="http://money.cnn.com/2006/02/07/news/companies/gm/index.htm">Not necessarily.</a>  Rick Wagoner is being kept at the helm of GM for his long term plan, even though GM’s dividend has been dropping for years, especially this year.</p>
<p>Too bad his “vision” isn’t visionary, like Toyota’s or Honda’s.</p>
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		<title>By: CTuttle</title>
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		<dc:creator>CTuttle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 06:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jane is bidding us adieu???  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/11/30/goodbye/#respond&quot;&gt;http://www.firedoglake.com/200.....e/#respond&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane is bidding us adieu???  </p>
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