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‘Mornin Blue Texan!

In addition to all the specifics about what was wrong, I also agree with BooMan on the general feeling:

Watching last night’s Republican YouTube debate was like experiencing a disturbance in the Force. It’s hard to put a finger on it, but everything seemed out of whack.

http://www.boomantribune.com/s…../3847/4491

eCAHNomics @ 2

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Thanks

so…. let me see if i have this straight….

we hate cnn when they host the D presidential debates and right wing blogs hate cnn when cnn hosts the R presidential debates.

so why does cnn have anything to do with presidential debates?

eCAHNomics @ 2

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selise @ 6

so…. let me see if i have this straight….

we hate cnn when they host the D presidential debates and right wing blogs hate cnn when cnn hosts the R presidential debates.

so why does cnn have anything to do with presidential debates?

Oh, because CNN has the best political minds on teevee…./s

eCAHNomics @ 4

In addition to all the specifics about what was wrong, I also agree with BooMan on the general feeling:

Watching last night’s Republican YouTube debate was like experiencing a disturbance in the Force. It’s hard to put a finger on it, but everything seemed out of whack.

http://www.boomantribune.com/s…../3847/4491

OT – but following up from the last thread – I did follow your suggestion with TPM – doing my little bit for the cause *g*.(I’m not sure if the world is ready for “hard-boiled detective accountant” – but they ARE out there)

“Freak show.” HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I like it. How true. And as Thompson pretty gently pointed out, does Giuliani have any shame – harping on the fact that Romney hired someone who wasn’t legal. Nothing as bad as his buddie Bernie. How could he even bring this up?

A degree in Bible Studies from Ouachita Baptist University of Arkadelphia, Arkansas.

With honors and shit?

Just to follow up on the “freak show” theme. It occurs to me that at the democratic You Tube debate, it was some of the questioners who were freaks. At the GOP YouTube debate it was the candidates.

I held my nose and watched a large portion of the debate. I thought McCain did pretty well – especially on torture and fiscal responsibility. Another interesting note: Bush was not mentioned yet every candidate was trying to out Bush Bush. Have to love that for the General elections. Being that Bush has had the lowest approval rating for the longest period of time in history. You also have to love how the Rightists have to blame CNN. Romney and Giuliani’s smack-down over immigration set the tone. It basically went like this: I know you are but what am I? This was before any You-Tube questions were started. But you know it was CNN’s fault that the GOP candidates looked petty, small-minded and completely out of touch with reality. Sure, that’s it.

Hucksterbee on hardball tonight
it will turn into a bash Hillary event –with Tweety praising Huckster for his ability to be the Ark attack dog and pressing the idea that he would be the ideal vp against a Hillary ticket

Tweety is such a fraud. Claiming Huck hasn’t gotten indepth coverage –but he will provide none

kdh22 @ 8

selise @ 6

so…. let me see if i have this straight….

we hate cnn when they host the D presidential debates and right wing blogs hate cnn when cnn hosts the R presidential debates.

so why does cnn have anything to do with presidential debates?

Oh, because CNN has the best political minds on teevee…./s

lol.

seriously though, it’s got to be the choice of the dnc, the rnc and the candidates themselves

because as bad as the debates are (hosted by cnn et al.), can you imagine a debate hosted by amy goodman (is there an equivalent on the right?)? that is something, i suspect, none of the candidates or parties would want.

snowbird42 @ 7

eCAHNomics @ 2

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Maybe it didn’t survive c&P. Try this
http://powerofnarrative.blogsp…..ou-so.html

Looks like we’ll need some strict constructionists to criminalize dancing.

kdh22 @ 8

selise @ 6

so…. let me see if i have this straight….

we hate cnn when they host the D presidential debates and right wing blogs hate cnn when cnn hosts the R presidential debates.

so why does cnn have anything to do with presidential debates?

Oh, because CNN has the best BEST!!! political minds on teevee…./s

Modified for the talking heads @ CNN who might need reminding where the emphasis should be placed. *g*

I took an immediate loathing to that “declaration” when it first appeared….am now minus some portion of tooth enamel from the grinding that occurs every time it gets repeated (from blitzer especially).

All CNN did was show that the GOP-leaning primary voters have priorities way out of whack with most of the American public.

This is what happens when a party has gone so far off the rails that only 25% are still on board. Only the nutjobs remain.

katherine Graham Cracker @ 14

Hucksterbee on hardball tonight
it will turn into a bash Hillary event –with Tweety praising Huckster for his ability to be the Ark attack dog and pressing the idea that he would be the ideal vp against a Hillary ticket

Tweety is such a fraud. Claiming Huck hasn’t gotten indepth coverage –but he will provide none

I guess the scent of Aqua Velva finally wore off,
and Tweety is off to his next homo-erotic obsession..

Just listened to wnyc coverage on Rudy’s billing practices. Apparently NYC taxpayers also paid for security on his senate race. According to the report, he offered to reimburse the NYPD, but they declined. On the show, they seemed to think that was the end of it. But somehow, I doubt that. Blood in the water, ya know.

According to Matt Lauer on the Today Show this morning, that gay Brig-General who asked the question about gays in the military was an implant from Hillary’s campaign. Which of course will rile the Repugs even more against her.

When the Wingnut Daily says Republicans suck, they REALLY suck.

Here’s the latest bombshell about Giuliani from his nemesis, Wayne Barrett, in the Village Voice:

Three weeks after 9/11, when the roar of fighter jets still haunted the city’s skyline, the emir of gas-rich Qatar, Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifah al-Thani, toured Ground Zero. Although a member of the emir’s own royal family had harbored the man who would later be identified as the mastermind of the attack—a man named Khalid Sheikh Muhammad, often referred to in intelligence circles by his initials, KSM—al-Thani rushed to New York in its aftermath, offering to make a $3 million donation, principally to the families of its victims. Rudy Giuliani, apparently unaware of what the FBI and CIA had long known about Qatari links to Al Qaeda, appeared on CNN with al-Thani that night and vouched for the emir when Larry King asked the mayor: “You are a friend of his, are you not?”
“We had a very good meeting yesterday. Very good,” said Giuliani, adding that he was “very, very grateful” for al-Thani’s generosity.

My favorite was the bible guy’s challenge. DO YOU BELIEVE THIS? DO YOU? DO YOU BELIEVE?

Awesome!

Biodun @ 22

According to Matt Lauer on the Today Show this morning, that gay Brig-General who asked the question about gays in the military was an implant from Hillary’s campaign. Which of course will rile the Repugs even more against her.

and yet
for those who still care about the general and his connection to the Clinton campaign – here’s his interview with John Roberts.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/vid…..e.wrap.cnn

There’s no smoke there. He’s a registered Independent, his name is on her GLBT steering committee, but he hasn’t done any work on it and was not put up by the Clinton campaign.

Posted by: pogo | November 29, 2007 10:22 AM

the wingnuts prefer the liars from nbc and msgop

Biodun @ 22

According to Matt Lauer on the Today Show this morning, that gay Brig-General who asked the question about gays in the military was an implant from Hillary’s campaign. Which of course will rile the Repugs even more against her.

Lauer (like KKKKatie) are Republicans. Both also perhaps in part for family reasons, are MidEast war hawks.

“America got to see a vaguely threatening parade of gun fetishists, flat worlders, Mars Explorers, Confederate flag lovers and zombie-eyed-Bible-wavers”

Ahhh….a drive through my subdivision.

Blue Texan @ 25

My favorite was the bible guy’s challenge. DO YOU BELIEVE THIS? DO YOU? DO YOU BELIEVE?

Awesome!

It would’ve been even more awesome for one of the candidates to shoot Article VI of the Constitution right back at him; you know, the part that outlaws religious tests?

Well, civics never was a GOP strong point…

selise @ 15

seriously though, it’s got to be the choice of the dnc, the rnc and the candidates themselves

because as bad as the debates are (hosted by cnn et al.), can you imagine a debate hosted by amy goodman (is there an equivalent on the right?)? that is something, i suspect, none of the candidates or parties would want.

I guess this is your brain on drugs the debate they want. Isn’t the reason the League of Women Voters got out of the presidential debatin’ business because the candidates and the parties wanted to control everything including the podium size?

Rudy was like a deer in the headlights on that question.

Ed*ard Teller @ 28

“America got to see a vaguely threatening parade of gun fetishists, flat worlders, Mars Explorers, Confederate flag lovers and zombie-eyed-Bible-wavers”

Ahhh….a drive through my subdivision.

707!

I gotta agree with the wingnuts to an extent: The questions CNN selected were SILLY. It was like their goal was to allow the Gopers to paint themselves as completely out of touch with everybody but the religious wackos.

If that was CNN’s goal, they succeeded.

Boxturtle(Granted, the GOPers helped a lot)

“America got to see a vaguely threatening parade of gun fetishists, flat worlders, Mars Explorers, Confederate flag lovers and zombie-eyed-Bible-wavers.”

AKA:

The Base

CNN just let the goopers be themselves.
What about the questions they asked Democrats?
what a bunch of whinny babies –too bad your candidates suck. You should have thought about that before you decided to cast your lot with Shrubco and refuse to cut him off.

Boxturtle @ 33

I gotta agree with the wingnuts to an extent: The questions CNN selected were SILLY. It was like their goal was to allow the Gopers to paint themselves as completely out of touch with everybody but the religious wackos.

If that was CNN’s goal, they succeeded.

Boxturtle(Granted, the GOPers helped a lot)

When the cameras panned the faithful audience last night during the circus debate, did anyone else notice the glazed-over, hypnotic look on the faces of the spectators? It was a Stepford townhall meeting momement for me.

Gee, they really do sound unhappy. But in a way, I do sympathize. The debates are crappy. Their candidate field is weak.

Not to mention that conservatism itself is in somewhat of a shambles these days.

On the upside, they’re taking important steps to address all these issues. They’re forcefully sitting down, and powerfully whining at the keyboard.

All the more reason to keep beating the drum whose sound is: “If you thought the last seven years under the Republicans was bad, voting for them again will only make things worse.”

Biodun @ 24

Here’s the latest bombshell about Giuliani from his nemesis, Wayne Barrett, in the Village Voice:

Three weeks after 9/11, when the roar of fighter jets still haunted the city’s skyline, the emir of gas-rich Qatar, Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifah al-Thani, toured Ground Zero. Although a member of the emir’s own royal family had harbored the man who would later be identified as the mastermind of the attack—a man named Khalid Sheikh Muhammad, often referred to in intelligence circles by his initials, KSM—al-Thani rushed to New York in its aftermath, offering to make a $3 million donation, principally to the families of its victims. Rudy Giuliani, apparently unaware of what the FBI and CIA had long known about Qatari links to Al Qaeda, appeared on CNN with al-Thani that night and vouched for the emir when Larry King asked the mayor: “You are a friend of his, are you not?”
“We had a very good meeting yesterday. Very good,” said Giuliani, adding that he was “very, very grateful” for al-Thani’s generosity.

Wayne Barrett is a terrier with a rat – he won’t let go and the rat can’t get away. And the rat’s name? Rudy.

I have ventured into the abyss of Right Wing Blogosphere and I have surmised:

CNN is now the Fox equivalent to Liberals.

The RNC should be out in force protesting this because that’s what Howard Dean would do if Fox News pulled this on the Dems.

Ron Paul is a traitor for claiming we should have never been in Vietnam either.

That is was a random act of the Gods that Grover Norquist and Buzz Brockway were allowed to ask questions.

That the undecided Republican candidate who was asked if she was closer to making up her mind responded with if John Edwards is on the other Ticket, I would vote for him, was a CNN operative plant.

Should we send them some Cheese?

kdh22 @ 36

Boxturtle @ 33

I gotta agree with the wingnuts to an extent: The questions CNN selected were SILLY. It was like their goal was to allow the Gopers to paint themselves as completely out of touch with everybody but the religious wackos.

If that was CNN’s goal, they succeeded.

Boxturtle(Granted, the GOPers helped a lot)

When the cameras panned the faithful audience last night during the circus debate, did anyone else notice the glazed-over, hypnotic look on the faces of the spectators? It was a Stepford townhall meeting momement for me.

moment, not momement (is that even a word???)

Did we ever find out whether rudyrudyrudy preferred pearls or diamonds. Enquiring minds want to know.

katherine Graham Cracker @ 26

Biodun @ 22

According to Matt Lauer on the Today Show this morning, that gay Brig-General who asked the question about gays in the military was an implant from Hillary’s campaign. Which of course will rile the Repugs even more against her.

and yet
for those who still care about the general and his connection to the Clinton campaign – here’s his interview with John Roberts.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/vid…..e.wrap.cnn

There’s no smoke there. He’s a registered Independent, his name is on her GLBT steering committee, but he hasn’t done any work on it and was not put up by the Clinton campaign.

Posted by: pogo | November 29, 2007 10:22 AM

the wingnuts prefer the liars from nbc and msgop

I think it was tweety on call-in to scar this morning who was jumpin’ up and down with this lie… with joyful relish. Par for the course. :-(

Boxturtle @ 33

I gotta agree with the wingnuts to an extent: The questions CNN selected were SILLY. It was like their goal was to allow the Gopers to paint themselves as completely out of touch with everybody but the religious wackos.

If that was CNN’s goal, they succeeded.

Boxturtle(Granted, the GOPers helped a lot)

One of the questioners was on wnyc. He thought the Q selected were representative of the topics of interest & that they were quite good. The reporter on the segment thought that the debate sounded just like the R town meetings with R prez candidates that she’d attended.

So, if you believe those reports, last nite’s debate portrayed the true R party. No wondeer they didn’t like it.

eCAHNomics @ 2

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Thanks for the link. Sad but true, I think.

I liked this, that I read on the WaPo comments section…

Like watching a group of idiots reorganizing the deck chairs on the Titanic.

IrishJim -

I have ventured into the abyss of Right Wing Blogosphere and I have surmised:
[snip]
Thank you for going there….so those of us with blood pressure problems don’t have to!

Toby Wollin @ 39

Biodun @ 24

Here’s the latest bombshell about Giuliani from his nemesis, Wayne Barrett, in the Village Voice:

Wayne Barrett is a terrier ferret with a rat – he won’t let go and the rat can’t get away. And the rat’s name? Rudy.

fixed your typo ;)

nomolos @ 42

Did we ever find out whether rudyrudyrudy preferred pearls or diamonds. Enquiring minds want to know.

Definitely diamonds kind of guy.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18108978/

eCAHNomics @ 4

In addition to all the specifics about what was wrong, I also agree with BooMan on the general feeling:

Watching last night’s Republican YouTube debate was like experiencing a disturbance in the Force. It’s hard to put a finger on it, but everything seemed out of whack.

http://www.boomantribune.com/s…../3847/4491

They probably already know that Iran is coming, and that standing on that podium meant only going through the motion(movement) that DeadEye decided upon.

Rudy destroyed himself last night, Romney too. I doubt they can recover with independents. If I was a gooper, I’d be looking for a gun. [Mod note: let’s not go there]

So, if you believe those reports, last nite’s debate portrayed the true R party. No wondeer they didn’t like it.

Break the mirror, break the mirror!

eCAHNomics @ 44

Boxturtle @ 33

I gotta agree with the wingnuts to an extent: The questions CNN selected were SILLY. It was like their goal was to allow the Gopers to paint themselves as completely out of touch with everybody but the religious wackos.

If that was CNN’s goal, they succeeded.

Boxturtle(Granted, the GOPers helped a lot)

One of the questioners was on wnyc. He thought the Q selected were representative of the topics of interest & that they were quite good. The reporter on the segment thought that the debate sounded just like the R town meetings with R prez candidates that she’d attended.

So, if you believe those reports, last nite’s debate portrayed the true R party. No wondeer they didn’t like it.

So, therefore, CNN gave the participants exactly what they wanted and what they were looking for – those three or four topics are the only things of interest to them.
What do the Chinese say, “Be careful what you wish for?”
Well, the GOP has spent the last 10-15 years stirring the pot on these items – they have made these items the priorities…and now they have a party made up of people who have no other interests but these.
That’s tough, guys.

katherine Graham Cracker @ 14

Hucksterbee on hardball tonight
it will turn into a bash Hillary event –with Tweety praising Huckster for his ability to be the Ark attack dog and pressing the idea that he would be the ideal vp against a Hillary ticket

Tweety is such a fraud. Claiming Huck hasn’t gotten indepth coverage –but he will provide none

I don’t watch Tweety anymore. Ever since he decided it was his solemn duty to take Hillary down, he makes me sick. And when she’s elected, he won’t matter.

Just now going back through the threads from last night and found this from Jane:

“Grandpa Fred looks like he’d rather be taking a nap.”

But the first time I read it I coulda’ sworn it said, “Grandpa Fred looks like he’d rather be taking a crap.”

Betcha I wasn’t the only one to read it that way. heh.

wnyc: 3% of Blacks said they’d consider voting in R SC primary.

Missed the debate. Did anyone ask the candidates if they would honor the Clusterfuck non treaty treaty for permanent bases in Iraq- or was that too political?

wnyc: flying Confederate flag in SC is a litmus test.

Even Salon seems to be buying into the wingnut meme:

Maybe it’s the questions CNN selected: Again and again, we saw slightly creepy folks in badly lighted videos asking questions rooted in fear. It was supposed to be Peoria talking, but it seemed more like Paranoia. In two videos — only one involving a cartoon character — questioners brandished weapons. A kid with a Confederate flag in what looked to be his bedroom demanded to know what the Stars and Bars meant to the candidates. Joseph from Dallas insisted on knowing whether the candidates believe that every word of the Bible is true, then almost literally rammed the Good Book in their faces.

Were these people for real? Or were they sendups, liberals with webcams acting out their own paranoid parodies of the right-wing fringe?

Honestly, it was sometimes hard to tell.

IrishJim @ 40

Should we send them some Cheese?

Sure. Go ahead. You apparently have an excess you need to get rid of.

wnyc: More than half the voters in the SC D primary will be Black. Oprah is campaigning for Obama there.

Huckle-Bee in the lead in Iowa according to Rasmussen—gooper analysts claim that this is good for Rudy cause it keeps Romney from gaining a head of steam….

No one wants to say that it’s good for Huckle-
Bee- cause no one wants to take him seriously…perhaps they better.

Are we done with Hunter and Tancredo now?

I always thought Mitt Romney was a handsome guy. I’ve read the sorts of things that come out of his mouth, but to hear them is something else. As the evening wore on, he became uglier and uglier, and by the end of the evening, he looked scary.

IrishJim @ 40

I have ventured into the abyss of Right Wing Blogosphere and I have surmised:

CNN is now the Fox equivalent to Liberals.

The RNC should be out in force protesting this because that’s what Howard Dean would do if Fox News pulled this on the Dems.

Ron Paul is a traitor for claiming we should have never been in Vietnam either.

That is was a random act of the Gods that Grover Norquist and Buzz Brockway were allowed to ask questions.

That the undecided Republican candidate who was asked if she was closer to making up her mind responded with if John Edwards is on the other Ticket, I would vote for him, was a CNN operative plant.

Should we send them some Cheese?

I retract my previous comment. Misunderstood your post.

mc @ 55

Just now going back through the threads from last night and found this from Jane:

“Grandpa Fred looks like he’d rather be taking a nap.”

But the first time I read it I coulda’ sworn it said, “Grandpa Fred looks like he’d rather be taking a crap.”

Betcha I wasn’t the only one to read it that way. heh.

Is it any surprise that Grampa Fred (notice how his nickname has changed from Fredrick of Hollywood. The close-up shots told the true story, lol) premiered the first attack ad? Time is not on Grampa’s side. I guess he wanted to get one out there just in case he doesn’t have another opportunity to do so.

Grampa Fred, why is Grandma Jeri wearing that slutty dress?

eCAHNomics @ 56

wnyc: 3% of Blacks said they’d consider voting in R SC primary.

Whoa! Given the defections from the Republicans they could actually take control of the Party!

Freddie may not be gettin enough naps.

Marcus Aurelius @ 60

IrishJim @ 40

Should we send them some Cheese?

Sure. Go ahead. You apparently have an excess you need to get rid of.

I am sorry you are so bitter. Perhaps you should seek therapy on your projecting of a dead Roman Emperor issue.

cinnamonape @ 66

eCAHNomics @ 56

wnyc: 3% of Blacks said they’d consider voting in R SC primary.

Whoa! Given the defections from the Republicans they could actually take control of the Party!

As well as the D party! see me@61.

eCAHNomics @ 58

wnyc: flying Confederate flag in SC is a litmus test.

Butuyric Acid or Lye?

Here’s the Perfect Xmas Gift for that Very Special “Conservative” in your life

Talk about not getting your facts straight. Can’t PJ media even count, or is anything above the number two, too high for them?

Seven or eight candidates? You would think a wingnut would know how many of their candiates were on the podium.

More from Salon’s War Room:

At one point, we tried to make a list of all the things the candidates fear:

Illegal aliens. Illegal aliens at Mitt Romney’s house. Having to check whether your painter or roofer has hired illegal aliens. Illegal aliens who want to cut in line. Amnesty for illegal aliens. “Special deals” for illegal aliens. Aliens — legal and illegal both — who make it “difficult for us to assimilate” and “take jobs” from the Americans already here.

The Council on Foreign Relations — hello, Ron Paul! — and the Trilateral Commission and the European Union and a NAFTA highway and international government.

Out-of-control spending. A tax on cigarettes. The costs of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. The Department of Education. The IRS. “Most people in this country are more afraid of an audit than they are of a mugging, and there’s a reason why,” Mike Huckabee explained.

Isolationism. Defeatism. Appeasement. Another World War II coming out of Iraq. Hitler! Taxes. Tax increases. Having to make a pledge not to veto tax increases. A world without farm subsidies. Not having a “secure source of food.” Hillary Clinton.

When Anderson Cooper asked Rudy Giuliani why obscure city agencies were forced to pay for his security detail while he visited his mistress in the Hamptons — Cooper left out the mistress part — Giuliani said he needed security as mayor because people were after him. “There were, you know, threats, threats that I don’t generally talk about,” he said. “Some have become public recently; most of them haven’t.”

(Same link as my 58.)

And speaking of Plants here’s an ideal “stocking stuffer”!

Marcus Aurelius @ 64

IrishJim @ 40

I have ventured into the abyss of Right Wing Blogosphere and I have surmised:

CNN is now the Fox equivalent to Liberals.

The RNC should be out in force protesting this because that’s what Howard Dean would do if Fox News pulled this on the Dems.

Ron Paul is a traitor for claiming we should have never been in Vietnam either.

That is was a random act of the Gods that Grover Norquist and Buzz Brockway were allowed to ask questions.

That the undecided Republican candidate who was asked if she was closer to making up her mind responded with if John Edwards is on the other Ticket, I would vote for him, was a CNN operative plant.

Should we send them some Cheese?

I retract my previous comment. Misunderstood your post.

Ditto that for my snarkiness above.

IrishJim @ 67

Marcus Aurelius @ 60

Sure. Go ahead. You apparently have an excess you need to get rid of.

I am sorry you are so bitter. Perhaps you should seek therapy on your projecting of a dead Roman Emperor issue.

Did you catch my apology?

I yam what I yam.

David Ehrenstein @ 74

And speaking of Plants here’s an ideal “stocking stuffer”!

Niiiice! I know just the person…

Finally, here’s a link to Towleroad where you’ll find the clip of the General and a transcript of his remarks.

cinnamonape @ 70

eCAHNomics @ 58

wnyc: flying Confederate flag in SC is a litmus test.

Butuyric Acid or Lye?

Further discussion on that issue involved Brian Lehrer asking guest (Leroy Chapman, government and politics editor at The State, the largest newspaper in South Carolina) how big a % that was. He replied that he didn’t know, but that even a small group voting on a single issue could influence the outcome, citing the R one-term governor who failed for relection on the basis of his stand to remove the Confederate flag from public buildings.

Hagel takes on the Bush Administration. This is kinda fun.

Marcus Aurelius @ 76

IrishJim @ 67

I am sorry you are so bitter. Perhaps you should seek therapy on your projecting of a dead Roman Emperor issue.

Did you catch my apology?

I yam what I yam.

Yes, mine too is above.

Huckster du be simple. Sounds a bit over-qualified.

And back to Giuliani and his special al-Qaeda friend:

In retrospect, Giuliani’s embrace of the emir appears peculiar. But it was only a sign of bigger things to come: the launching of a cozy business relationship with terrorist-tolerant Qatar that is inconsistent with the core message of Giuliani’s current presidential campaign, namely that his experience and toughness uniquely equip him to protect America from what he tauntingly calls “Islamic terrorists”—an enemy that he always portrays himself as ready to confront, and the Democrats as ready to accommodate.

The contradictory and stunning reality is that Giuliani Partners, the consulting company that has made Giuliani rich, feasts at the Qatar trough, doing business with the ministry run by the very member of the royal family identified in news and government reports as having concealed KSM—the terrorist mastermind who wired funds from Qatar to his nephew Ramzi Yousef prior to the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center, and who also sold the idea of a plane attack on the towers to Osama bin Laden—on his Qatar farm in the mid-1990s.

In the weeks and months to come, more bombshells will be disclosed about this guy that will sink him for sure.

(Same link as my 24.)

wnyc: immigrants (legal & illegal) contribute slightly more to NYS economy than they are as % of population.

The media will probably award a win to Mike Huckabee, the easy listening music candidate at home in any crowd, fluent in simpleton speak and the one man on the stage tonight who led the audience to roaring cheers by boasting that he had a special qualification to be president that none of the second-raters on the stage could match: A degree in Bible Studies from Ouachita Baptist University of Arkadelphia, Arkansas.

huckabee had the nerve to say god wrote things in the bible he didn’t want you to understand

something like “if you can understand what god wrote you have a small god”

kind of retarded but that actually recieved applause

rwc
I have maintaine the Aw-Shucks Huckaby is the best chance the Repubs have.
Possibly because any remaining Rs with an ounce of sense know that their party is a wildfire, and you can’t rise from the ashes until the fire has burned down.

biff diggerence @ 17

Looks like we’ll need some strict constructionists to criminalize dancing.

Ahhhh, the old joke…

Why are Baptists against sex standing up?

They’re afraid it’ll lead to dancing.

Wow, someone over at HuffPo just called Jane a “journalist”.

Not sure if she was just complimented or insulted.

America got to see a vaguely threatening parade of gun fetishists, flat worlders, Mars Explorers, Confederate flag lovers and zombie-eyed-Bible-wavers as well as various one issue activists hammering their pet causes.

The Republican party ever since Ronald Reagan, and arguably America.

And speaking of Plants here’s an ideal “stocking stuffer”!

Love those customer images!

Pectopah @ 88

Wow, someone over at HuffPo just called Jane a “journalist”.

Not sure if she was just complimented or insulted.

I called her an ejournalist, so as to upgrade her status.

Loo Hoo @ 80

Hagel takes on the Bush Administration. This is kinda fun.

thanks Loo Hoo! I’m going to digg it
Think Progress permalink

digg this one, too

If goopers lose the White House- then it will become important to define what flavor of gooper was responsible for the loss.

The tax cutter goopers would like it to be Hucklebee- so they can kick that faction out of the driver’s seat- the chriso-fascist goopers would like it to be a Wall Street type- so they can blame the mess on the other wing of the party….

Decisions, decisions!!

Today’s my birthday. I’ve got the day off but other than that, whoopie.

The excerpt from Richelieu’s Weekly Standard blog is nowhere near as funny as the whole thing. I wonder by a WS blogger would use the name Richelieu. (snark) If my memory serves me well he was about the most corrupt Catholic cardinal evah. Wasn’t Dumas’ “Three Musketeers” about fighting his henchmen?

He’s right about one thing. I was outside the debate with St Pete For Peace and a host of other groups and we were deluged by the Ron Paul howling loons. They marched up and down the sidewalks shouting “Ron Paul blah blah blah” all evening. I did manage a brief polite exchange with John Roberts of CNN as he walked by me at a crosswalk. The homeless have been camped out at the venue for the last four days. It seems the Rethug women can’t stand the sight of the homeless. I heard a number of comments from women as they passed by, none of them kind. These people have about a much compassion as a mad water moccasin. One of the Ron Paul loons asked me if I was going to vote for Paul and I told him I don’t vote for racists. I thought he was going to have a heart attack in front of me. Good thing I know CPR. I didn’t see many chickenhawks outside the venue. I guess they all wanted to be inside with the rest of the lunatics. Great turnout, though. I’d say 200-300 people, maybe more. There was one Army second lieutenant limping around confronting protesters but for some reason avoided me like the plague. Must have been the cammies and ribbons. They don’t want to confront anyone who just may know what he/she is talking about. Only three arrests and two were for being stupid. One guy did his civil disobedience thing by sitting in the roadway (which was blocked off for blocks so he wasn’t blocking anything and wasn’t gonna get run over) but the other two wanted to play catch me if you can with the heat. And got caught. Not my idea of going to jail for justice.

Off to try to finish Fisk’s “The Great War For Civilisation.” That’s what days off are for, right?

wnyc: 5% of upstate (NY) population are foreign born, but 35% of upstate doctors are foreign born.

I haven’t seen much discussion on the; “Would your Vice-President have as much power as Dick Cheney?” question.

Fred went into the well it is a dual role mantra…….trailed off into unintelligble ramblings.

McCain said it was Bush’s lack of National Security experience that forced Bush to give Cheney so much power but that McCains VP would only have as much power as he would allocate to them.

I do not recall any other candidates answering this question.

I like this from Fred:

“I own a couple of guns,” Fred Thompson said, “but I’m not going to tell you what they are or where they are.”

A freak show.

Hey SouthernDragon
Happy happy birthday.

Freddie’s guns are from the spanish american war- he bought em new.

Happy Birthday SouthernDragon!

musicsleuth @ 30

selise @ 15

seriously though, it’s got to be the choice of the dnc, the rnc and the candidates themselves

because as bad as the debates are (hosted by cnn et al.), can you imagine a debate hosted by amy goodman (is there an equivalent on the right?)? that is something, i suspect, none of the candidates or parties would want.

I guess this is your brain on drugs the debate they want. Isn’t the reason the League of Women Voters got out of the presidential debatin’ business because the candidates and the parties wanted to control everything including the podium size?

yes… and iirc, to exclude third party candidates from the general election debates (see ross perot).

eCAHNomics @ 16

snowbird42 @ 7

link not working

Maybe it didn’t survive c&P. Try this
http://powerofnarrative.blogsp…..ou-so.html

Worked fine!!
Isnt this the smoking gun!!! What more do we need to hear than “Our leaders wont lead?”
I am having trouble even thinking of asking our Dems to do our bidding when they wont and its already decided!!!.

Biodun @ 83

And back to Giuliani and his special al-Qaeda friend:

In retrospect, Giuliani’s embrace of the emir appears peculiar. But it was only a sign of bigger things to come: the launching of a cozy business relationship with terrorist-tolerant Qatar that is inconsistent with the core message of Giuliani’s current presidential campaign, namely that his experience and toughness uniquely equip him to protect America from what he tauntingly calls “Islamic terrorists”—an enemy that he always portrays himself as ready to confront, and the Democrats as ready to accommodate.

The contradictory and stunning reality is that Giuliani Partners, the consulting company that has made Giuliani rich, feasts at the Qatar trough, doing business with the ministry run by the very member of the royal family identified in news and government reports as having concealed KSM—the terrorist mastermind who wired funds from Qatar to his nephew Ramzi Yousef prior to the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center, and who also sold the idea of a plane attack on the towers to Osama bin Laden—on his Qatar farm in the mid-1990s.

In the weeks and months to come, more bombshells will be disclosed about this guy that will sink him for sure.

(Same link as my 24.)

Be nice to save a few for the general election on the off-chance he gets the nomination.

Loo Hoo @ 80

Hagel takes on the Bush Administration. This is kinda fun.

leh snippet;

“I have to say this is one of the most arrogant, incompetent administrations I’ve ever seen or ever read about,” Hagel said, according to our colleague Robert Kaiser, who attended the speech. In case his audience didn’t get the point, Hagel also said: “They have failed the country.”

SouthernDragon
This looks good to me. How about you?
http://images.google.com/imgre…..e&cd=2

Or, SouthernDrangon, perhaps you prefer this.
http://www.fulcrumgallery.com/…..111316.htm

We either vote for A*PAC Hillary or Ron Paul.

One or the other.

Happy B’day Southerndraggon.

I wonder by a WS blogger would use the name Richelieu. (snark) If my memory serves me well he was about the most corrupt Catholic cardinal evah.

Gosh one hardly knows where to begin. Surely the inquisitors should get an honorable mention? And how ’bout all the pedophile and pedophile enablers from Boston, chicago, Los Angeles….oh hell the list is too long. And weren’t all those popees cardinals at one time.

…the liberal Weekly Standard…

Best laugh I had all week. Thank you.

Elliott @ 100

Happy Birthday SouthernDragon!

{{{{SouthernDragon}}}}

Biodun @ 97

I like this from Fred:

“I own a couple of guns,” Fred Thompson said, “but I’m not going to tell you what they are or where they are.”

A freak show.

I am so sorry I missed the freak show. So sorry indeed. Think he’s referring to those cheap throwaway handguns like the kind my ex got from his Vietnam vet marine father.

cheap throwaway handguns

Like disposable cellphones?

Aha!!! I think Leahey really does have the emails…check this out:

http://www.rawstory.com/news/m…..92007.html

mui @ 111

Biodun @ 97

I like this from Fred:

A freak show.

I am so sorry I missed the freak show. So sorry indeed. Think he’s referring to those cheap throwaway handguns like the kind my ex got from his Vietnam vet marine father.

I think Grampa Fred has invested in the really good stuff. Too bad he’s so frail nowadays that he can’t lift it to his shoulder.

More vi*gr* Gramps! That should do the trick, or….nevamind!

eCAHNomics @ 112

cheap throwaway handguns

Like disposable cellphones?

I think Raven once explained on a thread that those kinds of guns marines brought on the streets of Saigon were “insurance.”

Hank Hyde, that oh so honorable ex-congresscritter from Illinois has just bit the dust. (no loss there) He was one of many reps lusting to nail Hillary’s husband for enjoying a cigar with Monica while he was dilly dallying with a female constituent. Hypocrisy thy name is gooper.

eCAHNomics @ 105 and 106

Thanks. Cake looks fab but champagne makes my head hurt. A little single malt scotch is on the agenda, though.

A little something from my ego. Here’s a spread from the St Pete Times. On #8, if you look at the corner of the building between the big umbrella thingy and the guy in the black t-shirt you can see my head and the upper right corner of my “WAR IS GOOD BU$INE$$ – GIVE YOUR CHILD” sign.

http://www.sptimes.com/2007/we…..ndex.shtml

Peace

kdh22 @ 114

mui @ 111

I am so sorry I missed the freak show. So sorry indeed. Think he’s referring to those cheap throwaway handguns like the kind my ex got from his Vietnam vet marine father.

I think Grampa Fred has invested in the really good stuff. Too bad he’s so frail nowadays that he can’t lift it to his shoulder.

More vi*gr* Gramps! That should do the trick, or….nevamind!

When I hear him or see him, I have one huge impression: The man is unwell.

nomolos @ 116

Hank Hyde, that oh so honorable ex-congresscritter from Illinois has just bit the dust. (no loss there) He was one of many reps lusting to nail Hillary’s husband for enjoying a cigar with Monica while he was dilly dallying with a female constituent. Hypocrisy thy name is gooper.

Oh my. I guess because I’m “librul” I feel bad about his passing, but the spector of Repukes with their Starr Memo. . . Ughhh

SouthernDragon @ 117

eCAHNomics @ 105 and 106

Thanks. Cake looks fab but champagne makes my head hurt. A little single malt scotch is on the agenda, though.

A little something from my ego. Here’s a spread from the St Pete Times. On #8, if you look at the corner of the building between the big umbrella thingy and the guy in the black t-shirt you can see my head and the upper right corner of my “WAR IS GOOD BU$INE$$ – GIVE YOUR CHILD” sign.

http://www.sptimes.com/2007/we…..ndex.shtml

Peace

I’ll drink to that.
http://awa.dk/whisky//lagavuli/index.htm

SouthernDragon @ 117

eCAHNomics @ 105 and 106

Thanks. Cake looks fab but champagne makes my head hurt. A little single malt scotch is on the agenda, though.

A little something from my ego. Here’s a spread from the St Pete Times. On #8, if you look at the corner of the building between the big umbrella thingy and the guy in the black t-shirt you can see my head and the upper right corner of my “WAR IS GOOD BU$INE$$ – GIVE YOUR CHILD” sign.

http://www.sptimes.com/2007/we…..ndex.shtml

Peace

SouthernDragon, which picture are you in? I think there’s 12 there.

Elliott @ 121

SouthernDragon @ 117

eCAHNomics @ 105 and 106

Thanks. Cake looks fab but champagne makes my head hurt. A little single malt scotch is on the agenda, though.

A little something from my ego. Here’s a spread from the St Pete Times. On #8, if you look at the corner of the building between the big umbrella thingy and the guy in the black t-shirt you can see my head and the upper right corner of my “WAR IS GOOD BU$INE$$ – GIVE YOUR CHILD” sign.

http://www.sptimes.com/2007/we…..ndex.shtml

Peace

SouthernDragon, which picture are you in? I think there’s 12 there.

I see you!!

And ugly Mitt and Khalid Sheikh:

In the first presidential race in history in which waterboarding is (sadly) a debatable issue, there was a telling moment for Mitt Romney during the GOP fracas Wednesday night. Romney refused to say that waterboarding was torture and seemed to suggest that he would allow the CIA to continue to use it as an interrogation technique. But things soon got more interesting.

When CNN’s Anderson Cooper asked Romney if waterboarding was torture, Romney replied, in part: “I want to make sure that what happened to Khalid Sheikh Mohammed happens to other people who are terrorists … He went to Guantánamo and he met G.I.s and CIA interrogators. And that’s just exactly how it ought to be.”

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, allegedly the principal architect of the 9/11 attacks, was reportedly subjected to waterboarding by the CIA. But what was perhaps more troubling was when Romney revealed who has his ear on the torture issue. When Romney refused to rule out the technique, he boasted: “And I get that advice from Cofer Black, who is a person who was responsible for counterterrorism in the CIA for some 35 years.”

Indeed, Black is the former head of the CIA’s Counterterrorism Center. He was in charge there after 9/11, when the agency set up its network of secret prisons where “enhanced” interrogation techniques — including waterboarding — were allegedly carried out. Black is the guy who famously (or infamously) told Congress in September 2002, “There was a before 9/11, and there was an after 9/11. After 9/11 the gloves come off.”

Oh, and in case you were wondering about Romney’s judgment in asking for advice, Black is also vice chairman of Blackwater USA.

(Same link as my 58.)

kdh22:

Fred needs vi*gr* for sure for Jeri…

OT

Interesting and disturbing editorial in the NYT.

In the third quarter, there were 635,000 foreclosure filings, a 30 percent increase from the previous quarter and nearly double from a year ago, according to RealtyTrac, a national real estate information service. That works out to one for every 196 households. Michigan and Ohio, which were hit early and hard by a combination of economic weakness and reckless lending, continue to reel. Foreclosures rose last year in Colorado, Georgia and Texas and are now surging in California, Nevada, Arizona and Florida. In those states unsustainable mortgages are at the root of the problem.

The Bush administration has been far too slow to respond, with some officials apparently worried that helping today’s troubled borrowers might encourage future borrowers to take on too much debt. That misses a critical point: much of this crisis can be traced to lenders’ failure to vet borrowers and the government’s failure to regulate the industry. And it misses an even bigger point: unless something is done quickly, whole communities, not just people who lose their homes, will suffer.

Yeah, I’ve noticed the rise in ads telling ya how to strike it rich in the foreclosure market.
I found it noteworthy that the Times used the term “metastasizing” when referring to this sector.

The ever-slimy DrudgeReport says that “CNN ‘DUPED’ BY HILLARY PLANT AT REPUBLICAN DEBATE” — actually a Politico story that insists a questionner who is a retired general, a Log Cabin Republican, and recently named co-chair of Clinton’s National Military Veterans group must be a Clinton plant!

AND Drudge links to Michelle Malkin to claim that (gasp) several questionners were “DECLARED Edwards and Obama voters…”

FISA upstairs
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..ed-errors/

OT–

This is probably why Trent Lott is retiring. From the Gray Lady today:

Richard F. Scruggs, a prominent trial lawyer who has been fighting insurance companies over payments for damage from Hurricane Katrina, was indicted yesterday by federal authorities on charges of offering a bribe of $50,000 to a Mississippi state judge in a dispute over fees with another lawyer.

The indictment, filed in federal court in Oxford, Miss., Mr. Scruggs’s hometown, said that on behalf of Mr. Scruggs, a colleague met several times this year with State Judge Henry L. Lackey in his chambers in Calhoun County to propose and deliver the bribe in installments.

(snip)

Mr. Scruggs, who has negotiated settlements worth more than $100 million this year with State Farm and other insurers, is a brother-in-law of Senator Trent Lott and a close friend of Mike Moore, former Mississippi attorney. He first gained national attention in the late 1990s for helping win a settlement of $248 billion from the tobacco industry.

(snip)

Mr. Scruggs represented Mr. Lott and Representative Gene Taylor, Democrat of Mississippi, in settlements with State Farm after the insurer refused to pay claims for the loss of their homes in Hurricane Katrina. Mr. Lott, who said earlier this week that he was planning to retire from the Senate before his term expires, and Mr. Taylor pushed through federal legislation to investigate the claims handling of State Farm and other insurers after Hurricane Katrina. The investigation is under way.

My bold.

Hi all! Had to wait my turn at the toobz, so woefully late and need to catch up with comments.

Wondering if anyone else had same reaction I did to the masters of debate disguise last nite.

I couldn’t stand to watch for long periods of time, so just hit mute a lot – not because of the admittedly dim-bulb weirdness of the grand candydate array, but because of the rowdy audience.

Close your eyes for a sec., and it sounded like pro-wrestling crowd. Does cnn not spot a set-up like that dragged in off the street corner to hoot ‘n holler for Hucksterbee & loudly boo all his competition???

goodgawd! I hope, whoever becomes the repubble candidate, that moderators of “real” debates tw’ decorous-Democrats and raucus-repubbles have the extreme good sense NOT shown last night by cnn (which seemed gleefully to be stoking the crowd – with cue-cards? boo-haw-cards??), and will warn the “live” crowd to ST*U during the debate/debacle (you decide/we deride).

Other than that, since it was all repubbles making utter foools of theirownselves, the show was at times hilarious last nite, if one forgot that any one of those nits might replace our current nit in the bigwhytehouse.

I-gotta-keep-those-antacids handy in the meantime. *cringe*

While I’ve got the thot: who among you guys would vote for ANY of last night’s repubble crew over -eeewwww, ick, yuck, blergh, – HillC?

The preceding is NOT, repeat, NOT an endorsement of HillC. But goodgawd people!?!

*sits down at little desk and folds hands, determined to be polite, for awhile*

Elliott @ 121

Pic # 8. Also notice that at least a third of the pix are of the heat taking people down. Can’t say the SP Times isn’t balanced. heh

Hey SouthernDragon!

My sweety’s birthday is ta-day too!

Have a good one!

SouthernDragon -

[snip]
These people have about a much compassion as a mad water moccasin.
[snip]

Spot on, that!

CNN must have promised the GOP beforehand that it would only be GOP questions–none of the candidates were willing to do it before (remember that snowman crack by Romney?). It’s what must have changed their mind about participating.

And this covers up the latest Rudy crimes too, and actually covers up all actual issues.

I ran across this piece in the NYTIMES. Very interesting piece put together by young republicans from Harvard who watched the debate live and logged their thoughts. Probably the most insightful information I have seen yet about the GOP debates. These kids actually liked the You-Tube questions. FYI: LINK

This was a classic CNN con job.
They chose the questions so once again we get the liberal’s perspective of conservatism.

You know if CNN is actually Liberal shouldn’t a confirmed Liberal like myself actually be able to watch it? Now if these wingnut dimwits would just say that CNN(Conservative News Network) were more Liberal than Faux News then I suppose I could say yeah you’re probably right. Faux is blocked on my tv but CNN (even though I rarely stop there more than 30 seconds) isn’t. So there you go.

I know someone probably already mentioned this somewhere, but did anyone notice they mispronounced Tom Tancredo’s name when he was introduced? Nice. Also, all the old white men standing in a line was a nice scary image that’s now burned into my brain.

Abortion questioner is a declared Edwards’ supporter… and the Log Cabin Republican questioner is a declared Obama supporter…

Shall we assume from statements like this that Rudy and Mitty and Mikey and Freddy are not running to be president of people who support Edwards and Obama?

Actually, I think they might have a point. This is not the first time that Republicans have behaved badly and horrified us about what violent bigots they are. I’m guessing that most Republicans don’t see themselves in this way because their media is all about being emotional in the moment.
But with last two debates, CNN has managed to make all of the Democratic candidates look like people of substance, even if they occsionally duke it out, while the Republicans look like bigoted assholes. It’s like a mirror held up for the rest of us to see us as we really are. And I guess they didn’t like it much.
Can’t say I blame them but why did it take so long for them to figure out that they are an embarrassment to the rest of us?

Geez, for a party of “strength” they sure are a bunch of pussies…

fuck me. I made it through the first 18 seconds of that yahoo playing his stupid song.

what the fuck are these fucking people fucking thinking?

We’re screwed.

perris @ 85

The media will probably award a win to Mike Huckabee, the easy listening music candidate at home in any crowd, fluent in simpleton speak and the one man on the stage tonight who led the audience to roaring cheers by boasting that he had a special qualification to be president that none of the second-raters on the stage could match: A degree in Bible Studies from Ouachita Baptist University of Arkadelphia, Arkansas.

huckabee had the nerve to say god wrote things in the bible he didn’t want you to understand

something like “if you can understand what god wrote you have a small god”

kind of retarded but that actually recieved applause

So, he was saying what, that God has a wicked sense of humor? That God would intentionally provide people with a book they couldn’t understand?

Downright weird.

Biodun @ 97

I like this from Fred:

“I own a couple of guns,” Fred Thompson said, “but I’m not going to tell you what they are or where they are.”

A freak show.

Who is he trying to relate to there, revolutionary militia skinheads?

I guess they’re going for a very small (perhaps revivalist) tent party this time.

nomolos @ 116

Hank Hyde, that oh so honorable ex-congresscritter from Illinois has just bit the dust. (no loss there) He was one of many reps lusting to nail Hillary’s husband for enjoying a cigar with Monica while he was dilly dallying with a female constituent. Hypocrisy thy name is gooper.

Yeah, but before he attacked Clinton I’m certain he consulted with Newt Gingrich.