I have always believed that a guy like Jim Comey was not going to stage a mass resignation over some small disagreement involving a slight parsing of words. Nor do I think he is the sort to substitute his own policy judgements for that of an elected president.
Nope, I have always believed that the showdown had to be over some black and white, "plain meaning" issue related to either a statute or a Supreme Court decision. Jack Goldsmith's public statements since his book came out, saying that he did not disagree with the activity, just with the fact that there was no legal basis for it, reinforced that belief.
I have previously written about CALEA (the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act) and the fact that a petition was filed by DOJ, FBI and DEA dated March 10, 2004 asking that the FCC interpret CALEA to make it cover Internet communications.
This is the day after Ashcroft agreed with Comey not to re-authorize a particular program. It is the same day as the confrontation in Ashcroft's hospital room, and although it is the day the petition was DATED, I suspect that this date was chosen as a sort of legal fiction, so that there would be some continuous coverage and the activity would not have to be interrupted.
I'm no FCC expert (by a long shot) but with some types of agency applications, you can go ahead and do something while your petition is pending, and that may be the case here.
The thing is, CALEA really doesn't seem to cover Internet, at least not according to 3 of the FCC Commissioners.
From the statement of FCC Commissioner Kathleen Q. Abernathy:
While the Commission must do its utmost to enable law enforcement agencies to combat crime and promote homeland security, it would be a mistake to gloss over the possibility that the existing statutory framework does not apply to broadband Internet access services or other IP-enabled services that are classified as information services. The NPRM we are issuing proposes a plausible interpretation of the “substantial replacement” provision in CALEA that would extend the assistance-capability requirements to broadband access services and IP telephony.
But such an extension clearly would be fraught with legal risk. The Commission thus would benefit greatly from further congressional guidance in this area. While the text and legislative history of CALEA make clear that the march of technological progress should not hamper law enforcement’s ability to conduct lawful wiretaps, the statute also explicitly exempts information services from its reach. The Commission has proposed a means of resolving this tension, but it remains to be seen whether our attempts to do so would pass judicial muster.
[emphasis mine, but ain't the quote a doozy?]
From the statement of Commissioner Michael J. Copps:
I believe today’s item asks many of the right questions, but I also believe that too often it gets the reasoning wrong. It is flush with tentative conclusions that stretch the statutory fabric to the point of tear. If these proposals become the rules and reasons we have to defend in court, we may find ourselves making a stand on very shaky ground. It would be a shame if our reliance on thin legal arguments results in the CALEA rules being thrown out.
and
To me, it strains credibility to suggest that Congress intended “a replacement for a substantial portion of the local telephone exchange” to mean the replacement of any portion of any individual subscriber’s functionality. Capturing VoIP under the rubric of substantial replacement, ignoring the Ninth Circuit’s decision in Brand X, and trying to slice and dice managed and non-managed services is not the way to proceed here. Making the statute bear this heavy burden denies carriers, equipment manufacturers and technology entrepreneurs the clarity they need. But more importantly, our law enforcement authorities need that clarity.
[emphasis mine] How much does that remind me of the whole CIA interrogators need a memo of law to shield them from liability for torture, thingy? Did the FBI need an FCC ruling to shield them from future liability?
And from Commissioner Jonathan S. Adelstein:
This item begins to tackle the increasingly important issue of whether CALEA applies to broadband and VoIP services.
and
Rather than seeking comment on the most stable footing for law enforcement’s request, the item seizes upon notable but thin distinctions between definitions in CALEA and the Communications Act. Moreover, the item does not acknowledge fully and seek comment on existing precedent that is in tension with the tentative conclusions here. For example, whether or not the Commission ultimately appeals the decision in the Ninth Circuit’s Brand X case, which concluded that broadband access via cable modem includes a “telecommunications service,” this Notice’s failure to seek comment on a legal analysis that would comport with the Circuit’s holding is an unnecessary failing.
It's only (you can't expose your nipple ring during a half time show at the Superbowl) FCC Chair Michael Powell who seems gung ho to give DOJ what it's asking for:
Previous Commission action on CALEA has focused primarily on circuit-mode technology. Today’s item takes a major step in implementing CALEA, particularly with respect to new packet-mode technologies, by tentatively concluding that broadband Internet access services and managed voice over Internet protocol (“VoIP”) services are subject to CALEA.
So, could this be it? If so, there seems to be yet another John Yoo, ahem, "quality decision" here; at least according to the Electronic Frontier Foundation, who had some thoughts of their own on the "FBI Plan to Surveil Net"
EFF believes that the main reason for this and other CALEA compliance issues is simple: CALEA was neither intended nor written to apply to the Internet. Given the pace of technological innovation, attempting to apply CALEA to the Internet creates enormous legal, technical, economic and social problems.
This Commission has been committed to lowering government barriers to innovation and the deployment of innovative services. The FBI's proposed "solution" to its CALEA problems would raise those barriers by putting this Commission and the FBI in the role of technology gatekeeper. Even if the Commission and the FBI had the resources to attempt to play this role, which EFF seriously doubts, there is every reason to believe that the effort would be futile for law enforcement, dangerous to civil liberties, and prohibitively costly to innovation and the U.S. economy.
Somebody needs to tell Congress, before the FISA telcom immunity vote, cause I'm guessing it's not just telcos, it's ISP providers too. Or as Rayne said in a previous thread:
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Rayne says:November 26th, 2007 at 10:58 am
LHP — if you’re coming back here…you need to realize that the ISP’s are not separate from the telcos.AT&T is the best example. All other ISP’s that aren’t already partly or fully owned by a telco run their traffic over telco toobz, so the ISP’s are not the gatekeepers.
Qwest was not an old school telco; I am beginning to think they believed they stood to gain more in an open, competitive market against the older telcos. They didn’t see the need to yield to a quid pro quo arrangement. Verizon may be newer than AT&T or MCI, but they had too much already on the line in sunk costs into traditional toobz-aligned technology.
There’s another player that is a major market disrupter, which has a vested interest in leaving the old school technology behind — and the gov’t is pounding on them to yield. It’ll be interesting to see what happens over the next 2 months for this reason.
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LHP!!!
Missed it by that much!
And now, to read.
LHP, Aloha…
LHP!
LHP - woohoo, late nite legal stuff to chew on
Hiya Ms LHP!!!!
Such a treat, LHP!!! To read, now.
Tis some mighty fine legal dots you’ve connected there, lhp - mighty fine.
I have zero knowledge of the legalities here, but it seems to me that this has just been one gigantic, retroactive CYA. Thanks LHP for attempting to make all this legal mumbo jumbo understandable for us, as well as the consequences of what is proposed.
OK, I don’t understand this post, but I know about the immunity thing. But my cousin and my aunt made all these pictures for the immunity thing when they had the flu.
Great post! OK: a dumb question: Could this not also have ramifications vis-a-vis the Fcc and telecom push against net neutrality?
lhp, do you think congress might also be connecting these dots - hospital bed blowup and the application to the FCC - and do you think Comey testified to Congress behind closed doors about it?
I don’t know where I read it, but I read that they are justifying the spying “before” 9/11 as necessary to protect against cyberterrorism….in light of that, Mr. LS just found this posted on CNN…now…Operation Bot Roast…(Bots) have been around for 20 years FYI…it is nothing new..but it seems to be coming into our consciousness just in time for all of the FISA legislation (52 minutes ago). Check it out:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/1.....index.html
Richmond @ 11
No such thing as a dumb question - in my book, the only dumb question is the unasked one.
I think they are connected - i’m not a lawyer but the whole thing stinks to me of a coverup - and selling the internets to the telecoms just might be what they got in return for giving up our information to the government. I don’t think the telecos nor booshco want us to know that either.
Suzanne @ 14
Thanks Suzanne. It also would mean much tighter control on content - and sites like this one!
BOTS:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_bot
Wouldn’t it be fun to develop the kind of capability to analyze data and suss out the inner workings of the bad guys before they go too far?
Oh! We’ve got it now! It’s called blogging!
Good job LHP.
LHP, did ya read Balkin today, in re, ‘Substitution’ of the govt, in lieu of the Telcoms…
yeap, richmond. i don’t think it takes much tin foil to figure out they might wanna try to shut us down via problems with our tubes. look at hotels and airports blocking americablog and other gay/lesbian activism sites - declaring they are porn because they use the word lesbian.
CTuttle @ 19
On the face of it, that sounds nefarious!
This is the stuff that worries the hubby. He knows I comment on blogs and he’s certain that the man is gonna show up one day and haul me away for exercising my rights as a citizen. SO…if I disappear without explanation would someone raise hell and come looking? Pretty please? Thx!
Suzanne @ 20
is that legal?
Where’s TRex?
SnarKassandra @ 23
absolutely.
Beerfart Liberal @ 24
trex is over at his treehouse - he has his own blog now. didn’t you read his graduating post tuesday nite?
well, itsn’t that interesting…
i spent some time (over several days) on the phone with my isp in feb 2006 when this all came out. got (partial) responses from the “network security” dept, and others… eventually spoke with a senior person who harassed me by email when i complained about him in the service ticket. never did get a straight answer from anyone i talked with (except pr who were willing to tell me all my communications were protected - so long as i would treat the info confidentially. if i wanted to even talk with a friend about it, their official answer was “no comment”… because they didn’t actually know what was going on. just reading over the service ticket again (i kept a copy) makes me furious.
i’ve been convinced since then that my isp participated.
p.s. at the time, my isp was the biggest independent isp in the country.
They are ramping up the “cybercrime” today:
http://www.thetrumpet.com/inde.....0.2759.0.0
madmommy @ 22
It’ll be a coordinated group roundup, so we’ll all disappear at the same time-but not together. In solitary with sensory depravation.
Suzanne @ 26
Yeah, I did. Just seein’ if he popped i n. Shouldn’t he be on the blogroll?
selise, i could not get a straight answer outta neither my telephone company nor my cell phone company as to whether they participated or not.
i’m figuring their lack of denial to be an affirmation they did and still are.
Beerfart Liberal @ 30
Shouldn’t I be on the blogroll too?
madmommy @ 22
Oh. Of course!
I thought that was already one of the sacred and secret vows pledged by all ‘pups to their fellow ‘pups. Sorta like a loyalty oath, but in a good, progressive, lefty-blogistan sense.
FunnyD
SnarKassandra @ 32
Sure. You’re not? Have you aksed Queen Jane?
questions about whos listed on the blogroll and not should be addressed to jane, the site owner. that is completely her decision as to what to include and when to do it.
Beerfart Liberal @ 34
Yep.
What’s with the Queen Jane comment bf lib? You gotta bone to pick or something? that sounded rather hostile to me.
Suzanne @ 37
I think it sounds nice and respectful.
Of course.
No bone. It’s just from an old Bob Dylan song–”Queen Jane Approximately”. Means absolutely nothing.
Suzanne @ 37
Hmmm… a tad touchy tonite, Ma Cheri… *g*
Suzanne @ 31
yea. the run around was amazing. i should cut and paste some bits from my service ticket (removing the identifying bits)…
it goes on and on…
i gotta listen to more dylan - not familiar with that one.
Beerfart Liberal @ 40
And just to be clear. I have the utmost respect for Jane. I think she’s great. I really do. Sorry if an unintended tone came through. But that happens sometimes.
Where the heck is Petrocelli? He’s the guy who can make everyone harmonize….hhhhhhmmmmmm
selise, that is exactly the same kinda dodge i got.
Beerfart Liberal @ 44
i thought you meant it sincerely - like as a term of honor.
Rico Petrocelli? The guy that got hit in the face woth the baseball? Or was that Tony Conigliaro?
Suzanne @ 43
Suz — check out Blonde on Blonde, that song is there
LooHoo, i think i remember hearing that Pet was dealing with some family stuff.
Loo Hoo. @ 45
I’ll sing the soprano.
Beerfart Liberal @ 48
That was Conigliaro.
thanks, LL.
selise @ 47
Nah. Just trying to be cute. With predictable results. I’m not really into cute, so I should have known better. Lesson learnt.
SnarKassandra @ 51
Great!
Suz, ‘ere’s the dylan.
Queen Jane Approximately:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8CXskzlr2E
LoudounLib @ 52
I remember that horrendouius picture on the cover of Sports Illustrated where you could actually see the marks from the stitches from the baseball on his face. Ick. Poor guy. So who’s Petrocelli?
Loo Hoo. @ 45
Altogether now…just as soon as it comes back around on the guitar…ok, just waiting for it to come around again on the guitar…
YOU CAN GET ANYTHING YOU WANT AT ALICE’S RESTAURANT.
FunnyDiva
Hey, it was either that or “Ice cream, Ice cream…How can there be any Sin in Sincere” from Music Man…
bedtime. bye
Suz, Caw? ;-)
bf lib, the down side to a typed conversation - no body language nor tonal cues. one of the benefits to talking regularly here is folks get to learn each others typed voice - which leads to less misunderstandings :)
SnarKassandra @ 60
Aloha, Missie!
CTuttle @ 61
nope
Night Cassie.
what is my typed voice suzanne?
Suzanne @ 64
:P!
Hey, where’s TiredFed these days?
SnarKassandra @ 51
‘K. Are you a first (high notes) soprano or a second (sometimes not as many high notes) soprano? ‘Cuz although I can sing either way, I prefer 2nd soprano myself. Keeps me more versatile.
FunnyD
BF — Rico Petrocelli
SnarKassandra @ 66
snarkalicuos, of course, cassie - g’nite
LHP-
great work!
But I have always believed, until your piece the other day, that the reason for this was that ChimpCo had a whole slew of different activities going on, and only when they got nailed, did they slap a label (Terrorist Surveillance Program) on them.
Love “Alice’s Restaurant” Funny Diva. Seems so long ago most of the time.
Then sometimes it seems like it was just a while ago…
Alice
Brilliant piece LHP.
If KKKarl is caught with his hand in the cookie jar, in regards to the Seigelman persecution, will he receive the Scooter treatment…? I can’t see him doing time without coughing up some juicy tidbits to avoid it… Hmmm…
eCAHNomics @ 29
Well…that’s comforting.
Suzanne @ 62
True. And I come an’ go and am not a regular. When you know people better you can give them the benefit of the doubt. I waste so much time editing and recomposing simple e-mails because I’m afraid I might leave an unintended impression. I assumed with all the dirty fuckin’ hippies that seem to populate here, the Dylan reference wouldn’t cause a problem. No, last night was my attitude night at the post about Christmas and its pagan origins. But I don’t wanna go there again. I’m basically harmless. Unless somebody mentions Mel Martinez or Tom Feeney. Then I get pissed.
Martinez…Feeney…BFL, are you in FL?
Funnydiva2002 @ 33
We should come up with a secret handshake ;0)
But this whole episode at Ashcroft’s sickbed is becomming quite an object of great speculation. Of course, it didn’t have to be. That guy that used to be AG could have told the truth.
Is it illegal to flash the peace sign or have they yet to declare that to be a ‘gang sign’?
Loo Hoo. @ 73
Well, for me, it was just last week when someone posted the audio at FDL. And I’m such a nerd and I liked it so much that since a few other pups are making Alice’s Restaurant references, I’d chime in, too. ‘Cuz, see not many of my non-cyber friends get it.
FunnyD
Beerfart Liberal @ 81
I wonder whether Ashcroft has picked up some wingnut welfare to keep him quiet. Anybody know what he’s doing now?
neurophius @ 84
that ‘under sedation’ crap he used to for a non-answer is crap. i wanna see him and the mrs appearing before congress to give their recollection of that event - with tv cameras rolling and live all network coverage.
Suzanne @ 85
Mrs. Ashcroft should be subpoenaed
neurophius @ 84
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neurophius: Aschcroft making mucho big speeches about the importance of Homeland Security. Hospital bedside stuff, not so much. Can’t find the link right now, but I saw some articles about him toeing the Bush line, speechwise.
Damn! I didn’t realize it was so late. I have to be in early tomorrow. It’s mandatory “diversity training” all day. I shit you not. I don’t know what that means but I should probably bring a Thermos of coffee and then refill it at lunch.
Is he referring to Google as being the new player in the market and what are we to make of Verizon’s recent decision to open up their network to anyone using any device? They jumped ahead of Google who was I believe was proposing to implement just such a scheme?
What does it mean for the uninitiated? Are you saying that the government is putting a lot of pressure on Google and that, so far, Google is resisting to its detriment?
TJ @ 86
Yes.
Oh, and shouldn’t the flippin’ phone records be informative? But, then, we’d never get W’s or Darth’s or Gonzos, just the hospital end of the call…
My guess is that what they were upset enough to resign over was not that they were being told to spy without warrants (because that could easily have been fixed); but rather who they were to spy on. The “how” isn’t really a big deal because we all know they can suck in massive data. The really big issue is “who” and “why”, and how would the information be used. JMHO.
Can we stop with the canard that Bush was ever elected as President? It just makes my head ache.
Good evening dear friends. Hope all are well.
As usual, I should have consulted Wikipedia before asking my question. Ashcroft is now a “consultant and lobbyist” who helps corporations sell “homeland security” stuff to the government.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ashcroft
Hi Betsy!
you ’spose lil boots will claim “executive privelege” with Ashcroft’s wife?
Hey Betsy!
And sorry if I said anything that could be construed or was construed as a swipe at Jane. i wouldn’t do that. And if I had a bone to pick, I’d let you know more directly than a reference to an old Dylan song.
Nite all. See yuz over the weekend, probably.
LS @ 91
Agree completely. I continue to believe that the Rethugs have domestically spied on political opponents. It’s the only logical reason for the Congressional Democrats to be such wusses.
Beerfart Liberal @ 88
is what i used to do. they only would give us coffee until lunch and then offered up soda after lunch.
The call to the hospital was over Mrs. Ashcroft’s objections, as her orders were NO visitors. It didn’t come from the pizza joint, confirming an order.
Someone mention phone calls? Here are the records. Enshrined in chocolate.
newtonusr @ 101
The Unitary Executive’s Prerogatives overcome any mere next-of-kin’s wishes…
Suzanne @ 82
Apparently some school in the South banned a student “Peace” group…because the peace sign might be construed as a “gang sign” that would lead students to be violent.
Probably the same school has an ROTC, brings in Marine recruiters, and has spirit squads that get students fired up for aggression against rival schools. “Beat Central! Kick ‘Em in The A**”
TexBetsy @ 102
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Neat! Gives a whole new meaning to “getting a chocolate buzz,” don’t it?