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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/28/the-meaning-of-christmas/#comment-1123527</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 01:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1122351&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;rwcole @ 288&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Fell in love in Minneapolis once or twice but it was too fuckin cold to take my pants off.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;An yet, you went back for more!&lt;br /&gt;
LOL&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1122351"><em>rwcole @ 288</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Fell in love in Minneapolis once or twice but it was too fuckin cold to take my pants off.</p>
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<p>An yet, you went back for more!<br />
LOL</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/28/the-meaning-of-christmas/#comment-1123491</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 01:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1122187&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;DrDick @ 141&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
…&lt;br /&gt;
Actually my family would be Germanic Pagans.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Do you have an irresistible urge to conquer Russia in the dead of winter?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1122187"><em>DrDick @ 141</em></a></p>
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…<br />
Actually my family would be Germanic Pagans.</p>
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<p>Do you have an irresistible urge to conquer Russia in the dead of winter?</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/28/the-meaning-of-christmas/#comment-1123481</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 01:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1122125&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Beerfart Liberal @ 82&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;But to say “Christmas is a pagan holiday” is just wrong.  It’s a Christian holiday, obviously, as it commemorates the birth of Jesus Christ. The fact that this celebration originally coincided with pagan celebrations is, in my view, neither here nor there.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;‘where two or more are gathered in my Name’ or something like that…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1122125"><em>Beerfart Liberal @ 82</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>But to say “Christmas is a pagan holiday” is just wrong.  It’s a Christian holiday, obviously, as it commemorates the birth of Jesus Christ. The fact that this celebration originally coincided with pagan celebrations is, in my view, neither here nor there.</p>
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<p>‘where two or more are gathered in my Name’ or something like that…</p>
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		<title>By: senilebiker</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/28/the-meaning-of-christmas/#comment-1123008</link>
		<dc:creator>senilebiker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Heh Guys and girls. I am an atheist, and live in a Muslim country at the moment. Most countries have a predominant religion, and the main feast days/holidays/religious significant days are imported into their legal holiday structure. In Kuwait where I live, it is expected that Christians will take a coule of days or more vacation to celebrate Christmas, and this is considered normal.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;However, the legal holidays turn around the Muslim calendar, with 2 or 3 days for Eid el Fitr at the end of Ramadan and so on.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have no problem saying to Muslim colleagues “Ramadan Mubarrak” in the same way I would say to a Christian “Merry Christmas”. Similarly people say both to me.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This whole debate is just anal, and without any real meaning, whether it is Billo with his war on Christmas or the FDL bloggers with their happy Chanukah (whatever that is?). All societies tend to designate certain days for festivities, and a recurring theme of all them is that they should show some gestures of goodness to others. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In an ideal world we would all communally celebrate everybody’s feast days and be nice to each other.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;IMHO&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh Guys and girls. I am an atheist, and live in a Muslim country at the moment. Most countries have a predominant religion, and the main feast days/holidays/religious significant days are imported into their legal holiday structure. In Kuwait where I live, it is expected that Christians will take a coule of days or more vacation to celebrate Christmas, and this is considered normal.</p>
<p>However, the legal holidays turn around the Muslim calendar, with 2 or 3 days for Eid el Fitr at the end of Ramadan and so on.</p>
<p>I have no problem saying to Muslim colleagues “Ramadan Mubarrak” in the same way I would say to a Christian “Merry Christmas”. Similarly people say both to me.</p>
<p>This whole debate is just anal, and without any real meaning, whether it is Billo with his war on Christmas or the FDL bloggers with their happy Chanukah (whatever that is?). All societies tend to designate certain days for festivities, and a recurring theme of all them is that they should show some gestures of goodness to others. </p>
<p>In an ideal world we would all communally celebrate everybody’s feast days and be nice to each other.</p>
<p>IMHO</p>
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		<title>By: Harold</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/28/the-meaning-of-christmas/#comment-1122767</link>
		<dc:creator>Harold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1122125&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Beerfart Liberal @ 82&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;But to say “Christmas is a pagan holiday” is just wrong.  It’s a Christian holiday, obviously, as it commemorates the birth of Jesus Christ. The fact that this celebration originally coincided with pagan celebrations is, in my view, neither here nor there.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;December 25 is the birthday of Mithra, “the unconquered sun” who was celebrated with lots of lights in people’s windows. It was arbitrarily decided to celebrate Jesus’s birthday on that day in order to co-op the very popular holiday. Everyone knew Jesus had not been born on that day. This is a historical fact.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The holiday got a further boost from Saint Francis, who invented the Christmas creche and pageant as a way to educate the illiterate. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Through St. Francis, the Christmas story became a celebration of the created world — matter — which as God’s creation Christians (unlike certain heresies, supposedly) deem to be good. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It is because Christmas is a pagan holiday that Cromwell banned it — but it came back like a boomerang after the end of his regime. In the end Cromwell went down in ignominy, not Christmas.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I like the fact that Christmas has been a materially oriented celebration for a thousand years. I’m a fan of Saint Francis and am happy, though an agnostic, to take some time to celebrate the world and its creatures. If only the official holiday were really 12 days long!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1122125"><em>Beerfart Liberal @ 82</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>But to say “Christmas is a pagan holiday” is just wrong.  It’s a Christian holiday, obviously, as it commemorates the birth of Jesus Christ. The fact that this celebration originally coincided with pagan celebrations is, in my view, neither here nor there.</p>
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<p>December 25 is the birthday of Mithra, “the unconquered sun” who was celebrated with lots of lights in people’s windows. It was arbitrarily decided to celebrate Jesus’s birthday on that day in order to co-op the very popular holiday. Everyone knew Jesus had not been born on that day. This is a historical fact.</p>
<p>The holiday got a further boost from Saint Francis, who invented the Christmas creche and pageant as a way to educate the illiterate. </p>
<p>Through St. Francis, the Christmas story became a celebration of the created world — matter — which as God’s creation Christians (unlike certain heresies, supposedly) deem to be good. </p>
<p>It is because Christmas is a pagan holiday that Cromwell banned it — but it came back like a boomerang after the end of his regime. In the end Cromwell went down in ignominy, not Christmas.  </p>
<p>I like the fact that Christmas has been a materially oriented celebration for a thousand years. I’m a fan of Saint Francis and am happy, though an agnostic, to take some time to celebrate the world and its creatures. If only the official holiday were really 12 days long!</p>
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		<title>By: 9jack9</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/28/the-meaning-of-christmas/#comment-1122741</link>
		<dc:creator>9jack9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1122328&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Alicia @ 274&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://bancomicsans.com/home.html&quot;&gt;I hate Comic Sans&lt;/a&gt; with the white-hot heat of a thousand suns. Glad I’m not the only one.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Luckily, they found the guy that invented it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://achewood.com/index.php?date=07052007&quot;&gt;http://achewood.com/index.php?date=07052007&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1122328"><em>Alicia @ 274</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://bancomicsans.com/home.html">I hate Comic Sans</a> with the white-hot heat of a thousand suns. Glad I’m not the only one.</p>
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<p>Luckily, they found the guy that invented it.</p>
<p><a href="http://achewood.com/index.php?date=07052007">http://achewood.com/index.php?date=07052007</a></p>
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		<title>By: dougR</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/28/the-meaning-of-christmas/#comment-1122718</link>
		<dc:creator>dougR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m sure the thread’s gone stone cold by now, but I want to contribute my favorite Christmas Story, which I’m sending as my Christmas letter this year–all about the time when a bunch of strolling carolers in a Hollywood shopping mall sang “The Christmas Song” (you know, ‘chestnuts roasting on an open fire,’ etc.) to an audience that just happened to include the guy who wrote it–Mel Torme. It’s a great story, and totally NON-political. Here’s the link:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.povonline.com/cols/COL245.htm&quot;&gt;http://www.povonline.com/cols/COL245.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Happy Holidays, all!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m sure the thread’s gone stone cold by now, but I want to contribute my favorite Christmas Story, which I’m sending as my Christmas letter this year–all about the time when a bunch of strolling carolers in a Hollywood shopping mall sang “The Christmas Song” (you know, ‘chestnuts roasting on an open fire,’ etc.) to an audience that just happened to include the guy who wrote it–Mel Torme. It’s a great story, and totally NON-political. Here’s the link:<br />
<a href="http://www.povonline.com/cols/COL245.htm">http://www.povonline.com/cols/COL245.htm</a></p>
<p>Happy Holidays, all!!</p>
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		<title>By: Mauimom</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/28/the-meaning-of-christmas/#comment-1122706</link>
		<dc:creator>Mauimom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m sorry, but I happen to LOVE Comic Sans MS, and I’m no right-winger!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m sorry, but I happen to LOVE Comic Sans MS, and I’m no right-winger!</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Shevlin</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/28/the-meaning-of-christmas/#comment-1122687</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Shevlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I no longer receive these kinds of nonsensical screeds. I found out some time ago that if you analyze them, cut them into tiny little pieces and send them back to the sender with a note to the effect “stop sending me this crap”, that you stop getting them. Of course, some people may stop speaking to you, as 2 of my work colleagues did after 9/11 when I dismantled crazy tub-thumping nonsense that they sent me, but you can’t have everybody like you.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I no longer receive these kinds of nonsensical screeds. I found out some time ago that if you analyze them, cut them into tiny little pieces and send them back to the sender with a note to the effect “stop sending me this crap”, that you stop getting them. Of course, some people may stop speaking to you, as 2 of my work colleagues did after 9/11 when I dismantled crazy tub-thumping nonsense that they sent me, but you can’t have everybody like you.</p>
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		<title>By: Rafar</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/28/the-meaning-of-christmas/#comment-1122625</link>
		<dc:creator>Rafar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Tut Tut.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Several people mentioning Snopes without a one of them pointing out that the Santa - Coca-Cola thing is a myth;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.snopes.com/cokelore/santa.asp&quot;&gt;http://www.snopes.com/cokelore/santa.asp&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;C’mon people, look alive!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tut Tut.</p>
<p>Several people mentioning Snopes without a one of them pointing out that the Santa &#8211; Coca-Cola thing is a myth;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.snopes.com/cokelore/santa.asp">http://www.snopes.com/cokelore/santa.asp</a></p>
<p>C’mon people, look alive!</p>
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