Speaking of slick and oily lobbying interests, look which bad pennies turned up:
Two top Kurdish leaders are a long way from the mountains of northern Iraq this week.
On Monday night, Omer Fattah Hussain was the toast of a dinner held at the 10,000-square-foot McLean mansion of Ed Rogers, a Reagan White House political director and current chairman of the lobbying firm Barbour Griffith & Rogers. In an opulent living room just off an art-filled entryway with a curved double stairway, the deputy prime minister of the Iraqi Kurds’ autonomous region mingled with such luminaries as former assistant secretary of defense Richard Perle, former White House aide I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby and former White House press secretary Tony Snow.
Today, Hussain travels to Houston with Ashti Abdullah Hawrami, the Kurdish regional oil minister, to woo an even more important audience: U.S. oil companies.
After more than a year of political deadlock in Iraq over a national petroleum law, the Kurdistan Regional Government unanimously adopted its own petroleum legislation in August. In the past month, it has signed a dozen oil exploration contracts and hopes that foreign firms will ultimately invest $10 billion in the oil sector and bring 1 million barrels a day of new oil production from the Kurdish region over the next five years.
“Everyone is lining up . . . saying ‘I want a piece of this action,’ ” said Hawrami, who hopes to complete negotiations on two more deals in Houston.
Hawrami said the contracts posed no conflict with Iraq’s federal constitution. The Iraqi central government, however, is irate over the Kurdish contracts — and the State Department isn’t happy either. The Bush administration has been striving mightily over the past year to get a national petroleum law approved before international firms jump in….
Some of the recent signing activity may have begun when Dallas-based Hunt Oil, whose chief executive Ray L. Hunt is a member of the President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board and a major contributor to Bush’s campaigns, signed a contract in September. Smaller U.S. companies have followed suit….
Nope, no conflicts of interest here. What a cozy soiree laden with George Bush and Dick Cheney’s pals and confidentes attempting to sway policy interests in the most oil-rich portion of Iraq: Richard Perle and Scooter Libby, along with erstwhile Karl and Scooter talking head defender guy, Ed Rogers. Wow, those wingnut welfare gigs sure do pay off in cocktail weenies, don’t they? Ethics abound…talk about grooming the hands that cover your flanks, eh?
Tell me the one again where it isn’t all about the benjamins. Or the oil.
(Photo via My Sideways World.)
UPDATE: From John Anderson in the comments:
Yes, and guess who’s representing the Hunt Oil interests in the Kurdish autonomous region? Why, Baker Botts, of course. Hey, you don’t even have to follow the benjamins on this one, you just have to follow the Baker Botts flag. My old magazine, The American Lawyer, reports the story today in its December issue. (emphasis mine)
Yes, as in James Baker. Everyone sing, “it’s a small world after all…” (If you haven’t read John’s book “Follow the Money,” you really should.)
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Zed?
Christy!
WooHoo!
This is really disgusting. Scooter gets convicted, skates, and now is allowed to get rich off of Shock Doctrine bullshit.
We’re not run by idiots, it’s a criminal conspiracy.
zed?
Please bring out the sausages and quail legs…
This is the basic MO for repub leadership.
I may be sick. I know the Houston crowd a little too well. (goes off to hug porcelain throne.)
You know, sometimes I read this stuff and think “am I missing something? People can’t be this amoral.” Then I remember the crowd we’re dealing with, and then I get depressed.
It’s like a cross between “West Wing,” a bad mob movie and “Dumb and Dumber”
How much wealth is enough? As JD Rockefeller said: Just a little bit more.
disgusting.
We are run by a criminal cabal and we are too naive and proud to admit it.
There’s an old Texas saying that something like, “I don’t want much more land; only the piece next to mine.” Or something to that effect. Yes, just a little bit more please.
Who does the oil, the technology, the world belong to?
public.takeover @ 12
not you. not me.
These bastards are like supernatural monstors. No matter what is done to them, they heep reappearing, over and over and over. It is almost laughable if it weren’t so tragic. I will bet that this story gets buried in the MSM!
not only isn’t it about the oil, it’s not class warfare in this country either.
oh, and anyone who says otherwise is a communist.
glad we got THAT settled.
Jane Hamsher @ 4
exactly.
ot – jane, just wanted to make sure you saw my epu’ed comments on your obama thread yesterday. i went through the congressional record and could find no reason to think that obama should not have known about the timing of the kyl-lieberman amendment vote
WTF does anyone do with a 10,000 square foot house? That’s a quarter of an acre – there are lots smaller than that in many places.
Oh, yeah, this stinks to the Moon.
Filthy fucking war pigs.
-GSD
Another missed opportunity for an upstanding US citizen to deposit a few drops of ipecac into the coffee.
[RBG Note; don’t they spew enough already?]
P J Evans @ 17
If I had even one more extra room (beyond my 800 sq ft), I’d have at least three more relatives moving in.
Biodun @ 6
Not many takers on the sausages, apparently.
I share the disgust over this, but there is something I don’t understand:
“The Iraqi central government, however, is irate over the Kurdish contracts — and the State Department isn’t happy either. The Bush administration has been striving mightily over the past year to get a national petroleum law approved before international firms jump in….”
Doesn’t this mean there is some conflict within the vile entrails of inner Bushdom?
And what fuckery!
Only the little people suffer the consequences of breaking the law.
I am pretty sure Lynddie England aint brokering any deals with the Kurds.
-GSD
P J Evans @ 17
Exactly. I am a residential architect. Early in my career my job was to help downsize the home of one of those Houston oilmen. He loved the house he had, but it was too big for him and his third wife and new son. So he asked my firm to build him a new one, very similar to the old one, but half the size. So I took a 24,000 SF plan and made it into a diminutive 12,000 SF (snark).
Of course that was many years ago. I now work for myself and only work work projects I deem worthy and for clients that I like.
No conflicts here, just convicts.
Commuting a sentence doesn’t change that little fact, Irving.
Iraq seems de facto to be already partitioned…
Scarlet here with some snark:
http://freewayblogger.blogspot…..ncern.html
How much we care: introducing the NanoAnna.
Greed versus empire? Greed versus empire? The dilemma of the Bush Presidency.
here’s a little more on the rogers’ abode:
On a recent summer afternoon, Edwina, a petite Alabaman with a demure Southern charm, opened the door to her house. Edwina doesn’t know the total number of rooms in Surry Hill, but an elevator services the house’s three floors. Upstairs, Edwina’s bathroom (one of eight) features a small fireplace by the tub. But she is proudest of her home’s dazzling–and eclectic–art collection. “We do a lot of lobbying for foreign governments. I just can’t imagine any country we haven’t gotten a piece from,” she explains. Sashaying from room to room like a docent, she points out the eight-foot steel-plated pantry door from Rajasthan, the light fixtures from Venice, and the four Taiwanese stone statues, each weighing 300 pounds, embedded in her dining room wall. (The floor had to be reinforced with steel to support them.) Her most delicate pieces are housed in their own “art gallery”–a white-walled room where ancient figurines, pottery, and pieces of jewelry lay on cream-colored stands under Plexiglas. “We hired the company that does the Smithsonian’s display cases,” Edwina explains. One tiny statue, from Peru, is labeled:
Monkey effigy
Moche variant
200-700
Within Republican circles, Surry Hill is an iconic place–a Shangri-la for those who toil on Capitol Hill and along K Street. (”Have you seen Surry Hill?” Republicans are apt to say. “You’ve got to go.”) It’s also a testament to the rewards awaiting ambitious conservatives in modern Washington, where unprecedented wealth is being made from the business of politics.
http://www.citizensforethics.org/node/21680
time to bring back the guillotine.
[RBG Note; purely as a literary allusion, right?]
OOPS!
Sirs!
Excuse me, sirs!
Your scrofulous, chancre-covered dicks; the ones with the dollar-sign-tatts all over them, are hanging out.
Good job, Christy. :o)
TexBetsy @ 20
Doesn’t everyone need a house the size of the floor of a football stadium?
I mean, where would you put the indoor polo field?
P J Evans @ 17
one thing – i guarantee you they don’t clean it themselves.
A McMansion in McLean, Virginia…
When WaPo called Perle and Scooter “luminaries”, I hope it was tongue in cheek.
xanthippe @ 22
The Federal Oil [Theft] Law was one of the benchmarks to indicate the surge was succeeding politically. It was supposed to have passed back in September…but no deal. So the Kurds went solo. Now it’s likely that the Federal Law will never be agreed to.
I wonder how many other of those benchmarks have made no further progress. Most weren’t going anywhere in September…and it seems that the Republican Congressmen that just came back were not to pleased at things now.
I would bet we will not hear this story on the nightly news programs (except probably Keith).
Not reporting this type of insider palm greasing is the reason it is so prevalent.
xanthippe @ 22
Here is earlier coverage of the Hunt deal and it doesn’t put a fine point on the conflict:
http://www.upi.com/Internation….._oil/3128/
Here is emptywheel’s commentary at the time; she interprets it as Biodun does, above:
http://thenexthurrah.typepad.c…..or-oi.html
Here are descriptions of how the oil gets out of Kurdistan through Turkey and the problems therein:
http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/E…..1350710486
http://archive.gulfnews.com/ar…..61665.html
A lot of people are going to refer to “Israeli intelligence” operating in Kurdistan, if they haven’t already by the time I finish this comment. True, but it doesn’t help clear up anything more for me.
selise @ 16
I did, selise. Thanks so much.
I remember at the time we were all casting about, trying to find how people would vote on Kyl-Lieberman. Obama said nothing, and we were all looking quite concertedly to see how he would fall on this one — we were ready to use it to put pressure on Hillary not to vote for it. Obama stayed silent.
If he could point to something he said before the vote that would be one thing, but he hasn’t — so I assume he can’t. I think it’s pretty evident he stuck his finger in the air afterwards and took credit for a position he didn’t want to take at the time.
BTW the Shia South has the majority of Iraq’s oil reserves so it is the most oil rich I suppose.
Plus: There’s really no more political process in Iraq. al-Maliki’s government is a dead duck…(make that quail)
Back when the first texas oil company signed the first contract Bush did come out and say that it was “not helpful”.
That showed ‘em. Acknowledge the “conflict” *wink* *wink* and get back to dividing up the oil.
These bastards make the mafia look like choir boys. If there was justice we’d start the war crimes tribunals now. It’s an enormous crime family,the same names keep coming up,repeatedly,sometimes over decades. Anytime there’s a criminal government/corporate related enterprise,the same people and their buds all are there,wearing their teflon suits.
I need to go outside and vomit,christ.
ed rogers was responsible for pushing the ‘hussein’ slur against barack obama. courtesy of his appearance on hardball.
That’s really irritating. Libby should be spending Christmas in jail.
I miss TRex. Sniff.
Sift warmongering scumbags and traitors,mix in greedy oil men, stir vigorously for 15 minutes,add 1 barrel of crooked politicians,2 bags terrorists and 3 autonomous regions.
Bake in desert heat for three Friedman units or until done.
Bush and Olmerrr…ahhh…Ulma…Omer…..The leader of Israel are meeting to discuss Iran. What I say is the real reason for the Bush summit.
-GSD
But don’t you all understand that Kurdistan is an oasis of democracy where the women walk around in Western clothes and makeup?
As far as I’m concerned, this partition plan started with the establishment of the no-fly zones in 1991.
Bustednuckles @ 46
And don’t forget to cook the books.
Jane Hamsher @ 39
cinnamonape brought up Barack Obama’s sponsorship of S.970 downthread.
linda @ 44
Yep. Like the racist he is.
Who would have known?
-GSD
biff diggerence @ 19
Not on each other.
Ahhh.hh….
egregious @ 49
Side dish.
OT: Ominous words by emptywheel regarding the Joe Klein fiasco:
Damn, I’d like to see that. ;-)
cinnamonape @ 36
Going back to the run up to the Petraeus/Crocker testimony before Congress in September, Crocker made a big point of pushing the meme that benchmarks were no longer operative and did not capture the complexities of Iraq. You know because not of them were being met.
Btw,
The Scooter appeal is now 8 months along.
Where the fuck is the appeal?
and where is the Gonzo investigation….
Time passes….
“Ed Rogers, a Reagan White House political director and current chairman of the lobbying firm Barbour Griffith & Rogers”
Is the Barbour in that firm any relation to the slug who is now governor of Mississippi?
The element of this I don’t understand is what seems to be the open antagonism towards Turkey, nominally a NATO ally, in giving their imprimatur to a virtually independent Kurdistan, whose separatists will be able to shut the pipeline at leisure.
S.970 . Title: A bill to impose sanctions on Iran and on other countries for assisting Iran in developing a nuclear program, and for other purposes. Not quite the same as Kyl/Lieberman though I think. And the amount of cosponsors on that one. *shiver*
wigwam @ 55
I saw that last night. I am sooo looking forward to a showdown. I’d put EW up against anyone. Problem is that there will be no more ethics panels. MSM know the score and they have lost. They are part of the crime family, too, and we are all a bunch of commie DFH’s trying to start a revolution. (Queue that song . . .)
Jane Hamsher @ 4
Hi y’all – relating this piece of alleged journalistic writing to the current JokeLine fiasco -
Does anyone think that if one of the guests were a Democrat who’d been convicted of perjury (or anything else), his name would be followed by a parenthetical, “Mr. Libby was convicted of perjury earlier this year and subsequently had his sentence commuted by President Bush.”
I looked for that sentence, but it doesn’t seem to be there. /s
little green @ 58
Duh.
Actually, I haven’t confirmed that w/ research, but heck, that’s just my following mainstream journalism ethics.
Ed Rogers, eeuuw. If he isn’t the perfect picture of a piggie at the trough. I remember reading about his McLean shack at Digby awhile back. Sounded so tasteful.
Further context:
U.S. sponsored terrorism against Iran based from Kurdistan:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/M…..8Ak01.html
And insights into intra-adminstration wrangling over attacking Iran:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/M…..9Ak01.html
The Bush admin does not really have a consistent policy about Turkey. And neither does the European Union.
Is the Barbour in that firm any relation to the slug who is now governor of Mississippi?
yes.
oink. oink.
brendan @ 65
Does Chimpo think that arming Kurds will not have repercussions with the Turkish military? What kind of stupid game are they playing.
thanx Brendan et al. I will read and learn.
The partition issue reminds me of another question I wanted to ask: why does Joe Biden get no love ’round here?
Heard him last night on teevee and speechifyin’ this morning on CSpan, and he does sound impressive…. plus my impression has always been that he’s a principled, if long winded sort of guy.
However, I am open to contrary ideas, that is why I ask.
I remember Digby calling Ed & Edwina (adorable name similarity) Rogers “hickory hillbillies”. Digby has a way with words.
Gnome de Plume at 61:
Can you elaborate? Just skimmed nexthurrah but don’t see anything new there; did you see Marcy live somewhere?
xanthippe @ 69:
Biden has good ideas and substantial foreign policy experience, but his time has come and long gone…
Plus, there’s that plagiarism thingy…
xanthippe @ 69
He gets no love from people like me because, aside from other innocuous things, like his orotundity, he was an early “credible” advocate of partitioning Iraq.
OT..scary thought…This is 1/4 ?,1/3 ?, 1/2 ? of the US voters:
DWT
Guys. I’m perturbed. This whole thing is bad. You’ll probably say “What took you so long, BFL. Wake up!” I mean I used to rely on the NYT, right. So I’m on the can reading my local rag that somebody had left behind and I’m struck by a story I hadn’t noticed before. The Times had the story buried within another story:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11…..ghdad.html
Whereas in my local
ragprint news outlet, there was an entire story on this headlined “Iraqi Leader Defends Iran Against U.S. Accusation.”http://www.orlandosentinel.com…..3525.story
Seemed pretty important, no? Ya know, when I think about it I say “Why am I surprised?” But I never get used to it. Burying the important stuff that doesn’t comport with the Bush party line is almost as bad as printing actual unfounded stuff. There is a need to call bullshit on both. What the Times did is more subtle and I suppose defensible with the argument “hey, we printed it”. But to bury something so newsworthy – and no follow up, of course, when then iraqi guy came top the WH, but just a puff piece instead with a quote from Dumb Dana…… man.http://www.nytimes.com/reuters…..-iraq.html
Hiya tejana! Haven’t talked to you in awhile. If that comment of Marcy’s was not in her piece about Joke Line at her site, then it was in the comments following it.
Steve-AR @ 74
Only the telecoms and the NSA know for sure, and have the tapes to prove it.
Hugh @ 29
These a**hats think they deserve and are part of both. Using the “American Empire” to accommodate their greed because after all they deserve it for having been born on third base.
Scott Bloch (Office of Special Counsel) and the wiped hard drives.
How dumb are these guys?
TPMMuckraker on the case
cinnamonape @ 32
NOT in the dining room. Get OUT of the dining room with that, damn kids!
Steve-AR at 74
Hmmm. So Mormons are lumped in w/ the poor unsaved Jews, according to Jerry Falwell?
http://http://www.au.org/site/…..l75.app13a
linda @ 67
Although IIRC, he did “give up his share” in the firm before going back to Mississippi to
pillagebecome governor.OT, but interesting in light of the live blog yesterday with John Laesch. I just received an email from the individual who arranges meet-ups for Daily Kos bloggers in the Chicago area. A live blog session is planned in December for Bill Foster, the Rahm Emmanuel supported Blue Dog, who is trying to gain enough signatures to appear on the ballot for the Feb. 5 special election for Denny Hastert’s seat. (Foster and Laesch both attended the Yearly Kos convention in Chicago this year.) I emailed back that Laesch is the progressive in this race, a regular and active blogger on dKos, and that I couldn’t support a candidate selected by Emmanuel. As an example of the differences between the two candidates, John is for universal health care; Foster thinks computerized recordkeeping is the answer. Sheesh!
Gnome de Plume @ 76
Hi, Gnome! I’ve been off-line a lot lately. Didn’t even know til yesterday that TRex was moving. *sniff. I’m still mourning.
Anyway, I saw her comment, just thought maybe you had seen/heard a more complete follow-up.
I know! Let’s set up the next journo/blogger ethics conference ourselves, and invite the usual suspects fromt the MSM. Marcy could represent the entire blogospher by herself and wipe the floor with them all.
grayslady @ 82
Ahhhh, a Newt Gingrich Democrat.
As my Iranian Islamic art and architecture teacher once said: the poor Kurds, to think they had once been powerful.
Not that I take sides in the Turkish/Kurdish/Iranian conflicts. I am a fence sitter once again.
mui @68:
That is my question. I can understand the short term mercenary interest of our piratical leaders in wanting the oil now, I can understand the interest in using Kurdistan as a base for attacking Iran, but I can’t understand how they could be so complacent about the prospects for getting all that oil out of Kurdistan given the leverage it would give separatists against Turkey. Sometimes I think it’s just wantonness — that they just want every country in the region shattered along fault lines. The Bush administration nominally favors E.U. membership for Turkey, but I find it hard to believe when their every action encourages turks to elect Islamists and exacerbates the conflict they have with their Kurdish minority. It would take an expert on this to tease out all the threads.
Here is another take on all this stuff:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/M…..2Ak01.html
Rudy..Greed? Rut Roh…….
(snip)
(snip)
villagevoice
tejanarusa @ 81
It’s funny that Mormons are not ok to Falwell, but a President that pretends to be a Christian is ok.
EU membership for Turkey is probably moot at this point, no? Or dead in the water…
And this is quite baroque in Mr. Rogers’s mcmansion…
brendan at 87
Actually. I think you hit it there in your first sentence. These folks are just completely wanton. No though, no consideration of consequences, no looking to the future at all.
They want what they want now, and so, they just barge ahead with whatever seems a win for them right now.
Thinking about the future? Considering how to avoid bad consequences? Nah, that’s for the reality-based community. No teasing of threads necessary-just go for the simple answer w/ these idjits.
a little good news this morning:
Agency reverses endangered species rulings
[snip]
Biodun @ 90
Last time I heard, Greece was to blame.
Badwater @ 89
IOKIYAR.
Biodun @ 91
Whenever I read this kind of shit I think of the party scenes in “JFK”.
Biodun @ 89
On the contrary, I think it is stalled and moribund.
correction@94.
I meant that tongue in cheek. I forgot the snark marks.
mui @ 93
Cyprus and France too have opposed it.
Hugh @ 99
Now I will imitate a Turkish friend: Grrrr Cyprus.
mui @ 98
Thought so; stared at that for a minute or so…
tejanarusa at @92
I don’t quite agree. They’ve been prescient in their long term planning. It took them “twelve long years” (to borrow a phrase from Christopher Hitchens) to get their invasion of Iraq. It was a long chess game, with many seemingly unrelated (or even virtuous) moves, like establishing no fly zones, or advocating the bombing and regime change in Serbia. My rule of thumb is that I assume they always know what they’re doing.
Hugh:
Funny. Moribund: about to die… or on the way/road to its death.
tejanarusa @ 101
Sorry I was channeling an old turkish friend and forgot that I was being tongue in cheek.
brendan:
Don’t you think sometimes you give the neocons too much credit for long-term meticulous and complicated planning? *g*
brendan @ 102
Good point. Perhaps my contempt for Bushco overwhelmed my reasoning.
Golly…so if these guys sink in all this money and make all this money on oil deals inside Iraq, it would seem to make an attack on Iran unlikely. Why would they risk losing their ultimate profits because of a complete regional implosion, which would include retaliation by Iran? I wonder if they are using Iran as a “distraction” while they rip everybody off, including us.
Oh…and these guys conspired to create all of this from the 90’s…all of it.
And a certain era has come to an end:
Or the military can simply takeover in a coup.
(And “cusp of war”: I like that…)
120 War Vets Commit Suicide Each Week
By Penny Coleman, AlterNet. Posted November 26, 2007.
link
xanthippe @ 22
Only on the (politically-correct/PR-focused) surface. It’s vital that we (and of course, especially, what’s left of our Congress) understand that Iraqis do not want their nation divided into threes (or more), contrary to the now-obvious (see above) desires and objectives of their uninvited, lethally-armed, public debt-financed, oil-revenue-lusting American squatters.
A mostly surreptitious American divide and rule objective and strategy that is being nicely helped along by the silence and ignorance of our Congress and, of course, by the helpful PR cover provided by unelected former-exile, American-protected Iraqi puppets like al-Maliki and Chalabi:
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/67383/
Biodun @ 105
No, though they’re sometimes heedless or hurried in pursuing their aims (not having an invasion route from Turkey would be a good example of genuinely botched policy). Sometime I really think of them as omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent.
Going over the history of our Iraq policy in the 90’s (selise would do a much better job of this) is a useful reminder that “neoconservatives” or “liberal hawks” — if you wish to use this obfuscatory verbage and make this academic distinction — will once again have the presidency when Clinton is elected.
So here we go eh- the reason for the Iraq invasion is finally public. They’ve got to get the contracts while Clusterfuck is still in office- and they will need the US Army in Iraq for decades to enforce the contracts they are signing- or they ain’t worth shit.
Permanent bases boys and girls.
these guys in some form or other were part and parcel of the old Nixon/Ford regime. The biggest mistake made was the lack of a trial of Nixon. Many of these clowns would have been exposed then and quite possibly the mess we are in today may not have happened. Impeachment is sometimes desireable if only to purge the political system of criminals. Americans have been convinced by the foolish Clinton impeachment that it’s not worth the effort.
And a really tall order here:
Ah, pow-wow. The cavalry (so to speak) has arrived.
grumpyoldvet @ 113
Another reason to
IMPEACH NOW!!
And speaking of neocons:
“I’m not a neocon,” Richard Bolton protesting to Wolf Blitzer the other day on CNN’s Situation Room, when the latter called him a neocon.
LS @ 107
I have the same question.
OT:
Just heard two letters read on NPR/BBC’s The World, responding to an interview w/ Naomi Wolf (which I didn’t hear)
Letter 1: complains that interviewer did not call Naomi Wolf a ‘wild-eyed nutcase’ (not actual language, I forgot that already), which therefore, via a tortured comparison, makes NPR equivalent to Soviet-era Radio Moscow.
Letter 2) Writer feels US is becoming more frighteningly fascist all the time; Wolf interview very important, thanks for having her on.
[No comment needed]
I just know there is one central incriminating thing out there under a stone that could unravel their whole game.
Bandar Bush comes to mind.
Unfortunately, a lot of blood has been–and probably will be–spilled over this one.
(Same link as my 114.)
Smoke and mirrors.
Biodun @ 114
“Have to wrest control from Hamas”?
Wrest control from the democratically elected party instead of making it a partner to negotiations. Thanks AP/NYT.
I don’t have time to find links, but look for excellent commentary by an Israeli named Levy (okay, there are lot) — can’t remember his first name, but Matthew Yglesias links to him. Find his commentary about Annapolis and, even better, commentary about Mearsheimer & Walt’s book.
I don’t think that there is any certainty as to where the original temples stood or whether or not the dome of the rock is on top of that site.
brendan — I believe you mean David Levy, commentary in Haaratz.
Back to Iraq, one more confused question: weren’t the bushies opposed to partition not so long ago?
Would certainly be a sight to see—Jewish priests in ancient costume butchering and burning lifestock daily from the Temple Mount.
Not many Israelis really want to dial it back 2,000 years.
here’s the link to DANIEL Levy’s review, and it wasn’t in Haaratz, so I was 0 for 2.
http://www.prospectsforpeace.c…..lobby.html
Thanks brendan and xanthippe.
Blue Texan’s upstairs…
Network Of Vandals Assault Kurdistan
Necrotic Old Vampire Abets Kooks
Nabob Oilmen Vex American Karma
xanthippe @ 125
Yes, they were against it before they were for it.
thom hartman was discussing how on a tv news program he was watching last night they showed a picture of condileezza rice sitting in group. what struck him as strange was that the skirt she was wearing was sooo short it cshowed quite a bit of thigh. this in a conference with muslims who require women to be covered head to toe. i know, they may act differently when visiting foreign countries on their buying sprees but nevertheless. rice’s dress may just be more indicative of what the administrations real feeling is rather than all the nice speeches.
Yes, and guess who’s representing the Hunt Oil interests in the Kurdish autonomous region?
Why, Baker Botts, of course.
Hey, you don’t even have to follow the benjamins on this one, you just have to follow the Baker Botts flag.
My old magazine, The American Lawyer, reports the story today in its December issue.
xanthippe @ 125
That’s how they (still) talk. Their actions on the ground in Iraq bely their talk. And if you listened carefully to what Petraeus and Crocker said in their Congressional dog and pony show in September, everything was couched in a “bottom up” strategy for “success,” in place of the “failed” “top down” model. The alleged progress toward “political reconciliation” they cited was in “turning over” regions/provinces to the local control of American-selected Iraqis; yet these regions or provinces never existed in any sort of administerial form (certainly not as our states do), pre-invasion.
What Petraeus and Crocker were describing, in vague but rigidly-repeated terms, was the slow disintegration of Iraq into individual fiefdoms that would keep their peace (or at least would stop killing Americans because we would be relocating to our massive air bases), as a result of being under the thumb of a locally-empowered autocrat and his power base, with the help of bribes and the “overwatch” threat from the Green Zone-based American industrial war machine occupying Iraq (with the blessing – at least through 12/31/2007 – of the United Nations Security Council).
John — Thanks much for the heads up — I’ve updated the thread above. Much appreciated!
Damn, Baker Botts has their hand in all the lucrative pies, doesn’t it?
Hm. I really need to get my vision checked.
I could have sworn this, “…look which bad pennies turned up …” was this, ” …look which bad pen*ses turned up ….”
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Jane Hamsher @ 4
Didn’t Scooter have to surrender his law license as a result of his conviction?
Just curious,
-S
rwcole @ 124
The “Wailing Wall” where Jews pray IS the Western Wall of the Second Temple (King Herod). Tradition says the first Temple was built by Solomon, and was on the site currently occupied by the Dome of the Rock mosque (also the site of the Second Temple).
The Muslims claim that Mohammed departed for Heaven (on the back of a winged horse) from Dome of the Rock…
So what was the pre-invasion deal with Saddam?One billion American $$ and he would leave and the Americans get to set up an oil extraction and profits grab ‘American friendly regime’ to suit American ‘interests’?
So George and Dick and the warmongering types decided to cock that but good and go with the “Saddam has WMDs and is OBL’s friend” so he is going down line?
Of course the Americans wanted Iraq to be free and they were bringing ‘deemockrassy’ to Iraq.
And Americans are always good and never do war crime stuff nor meddle nor rig the game…right?
And invading Iraq,occupying Iraq and putting in those super-bases had nothing to do with Iraqi oil right?
And we will not try to stay on in Iraq to “rig the regime” to suit American oil interests will we?
What permanent super-bases and fortress embassy?
Oil had nothing to do with it.
Absolutely nothing.
‘Overwatch’? ‘Stay-on signing agreements’?
When Iraq stands up we will sit down.
Actually we plan on a long ’sit in Iraq’ no matter what Iraq does or does not.
Iraq is not “ready” to rule itself.
I see.
pow wow — Wow. That is some scary shit — and it sounds horribly logical from their point of view; fits right in with the oil exploitation.
Sickening.
ShootThatArrow;
I think that about covers it, except, the democrats seem to be perfectly willing to let bush and the warpimps pass them the handgrenade; and without even making an issue for the voters of who it was that pulled the pin before the handoff.
xanthippe @ 69
He’s preachy (as is Kucinich), doesn’t always commit and instead says, ‘if you really want to do that’, his plagiarism ended his ‘88 campaign (or was it ‘92), perhaps some corporate ties we don’t need in a president and, to me most important, doesn’t really have a unified vision what what he would do as president.
Somehow neither Biden nor Dodd really attract listeners. I’m not sure why but it’s true. They get elected as senators, but presidential they’re not. Still, I like Dodd for veep.
However, either Biden or Dodd would beat Hillary on the ‘experience’ issue and neither leaves you feeling queasy the way she does.
Hugh @ 77
He could ask Dubya. Apparently God has been talking to him for quite some time. Or, has God stopped talking to him since the Iraq war isn’t going so well.
Biodun @ 114
Sounds like the same old Israeli crap they’ve been offering for years. It’ll be rejected if the Palestinians have even a scintilla of self-respect left.
How can you divvy up a religious city? Can you divide up a religion?
How can you ask the Palestinians to accept Jewish settlements on their territory?
Garbage. The Israelis need to decide whether they’re serious or just sadists.
If they want peace they have to get rid of the settlements altogether.
If they want peace they have to open up Jerusalem in some way. I’d suggest making it an international city, open to everyone and governed by less fanatical people.