Nicholas Von Hoffman writes about the embarrassing and unprofessional Russert/Williams Democratic Debate tag team of two weeks ago:
Brian Williams started the bear-baiting with a question designed both to embarrass Barack Obama and get a rise out of Hillary Clinton. Meanwhile, Tim Russert cast himself as a political Jerry Springer, posing questions that had no other purpose than to get these politicians fighting each other as they do in those daytime television spectacles. Mr. Russert left the viewer with the impression that he believes he should be running for president. His intention was plain. He was to be the superior one, the poised person with the correct answers while the candidates were made to look like a clutch of clumsy, ox-brained tangle-foots.
Mr. Russert has found a safe way to be a bully and to embarrass those who do not have the protection afforded by the role of journalist. This is not a case of media bias. Mr. Russert has no discernible political leaning. What we are looking at is a case of egotism, of self-dramatization, of the hammy display of a prancing public personality.
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Under no rules of debate conduct is moderator allowed to mock and make fun of one of the debaters. And other than to make Dennis Kucinich a butt of laughter there could have been no other reason for Mr. Russert asking the following question:
“Congressman Kucinich, I want to move to a different area, because this is a serious question. The godmother of your daughter, Shirley MacLaine, writes in her new book that you sighted a UFO over her home in Washington State, that you found the encounter extremely moving, that it was a ‘triangular craft, silent and hovering,’ that you ‘felt a connection to your heart and heard directions in your mind.’
Now, did you see a UFO?”
To which one can only ask, “And, Mr. Russert, did you feel like the wiseass you are when you posed that question to Mr. Kucinich?” The congressman, mistaken or not in his beliefs, is a thoughtful, passionate, incorruptible and brave man. Well, Mr. Cheap Shot Artist, you got your laugh.
And then there’s tonight’s Republican YouTube debate:
Most questions online have been pulled from public viewing for review, but many of the remaining posts involve asking the candidates to defend their opposition to gay marriage and abortion. Those kinds of “lobbying grenades” would be disqualified by the CNN selection team, Mr. Bohrman said.
“There are quite a few things you might describe as Democratic ‘gotchas,’ and we are weeding those out,” Mr. Bohrman said. CNN wants to ensure that next Wednesday’s Republican event is “a debate of their party.”
The majority of Americans believe that women should have the right to have dominion over her own body and have an abortion if she so chooses, and “gay marriage” sure was fair game for the GOP when they were using it to bait wingnuts and get them to the polls. They’re entirely reasonable topics for inquiry and there’s nothing “gotcha” about refusing to allow Republican candidates to insulate themselves within the worldview of a 25% bubble.
It’s all in the way you ask the question, really. “So Rudy, when you were banging Judy in the Hamptons…” might not be the most diplomatic way to pose a question over security expenses he billed to the city of New York during their…ugh… but that doesn’t mean it should be off-limits as a topic of inquiry.
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Good post!
I we now prepared to conclude that Rudy is a thug? (I am)
hi Jane
Evening, Jane. I’m going to watch this with one hand over my eyes. With a peek space.
Rudy is about as far away from “family values” as I can imagine. The man is gross.
I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Judith Nagler.
Can we impeach him before he ever gets elected?
Oh, this is where all the cool kids went.
eCAHN, I left you a reply vis a vis mayor Bloomberg in EPU land. Not anything profound…
FunnyD
I’ve found it useful to have a basket of rolled-up socks to throw at the TV during things like this. Makes me feel better, and doesn’t hurt the TV…
Chris Matthews admits that Bill Clinton has him stumped. For all of the wrong reasons.
Watching the Gopers debate is stranger than watching a UFO convention.
Well, their background sucks just as bad as the last Dem debate did…
I have to admit, as a Democrat I thoroughly support Rudy for the Republican nomination. I want to see Hill or any of the other Dems beat the crap out of this weasel.
Oooooooo…KO has Ghouliani linked to “terrorists”!!!!! Shizzola.
The governor of Florida is creepy and squeaky.
Gawd…Keith has an incredible show…
Which way do I go, which way do I go….
Oh, that wasn’t the gov. Sorry.
Just got an e-mail from the DNC. They’ve had people video taping all republican candidate events. There’s a LOT. They are dumping the whole thing on the net. No strings. You can point out things of interest, or you can take the video and make your own ad. The link is here.
Watch Keith later.
Check out KO’s first story…now!!!
Loo Hoo. @ 14
More so than his little brother?
They look like an undertaker’s convention…
Evening, Jane.
Anyone see this article this morning in the NYTimes with regard to the Giuliani/Clinton Senate Race: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11…..j9zclJ3Z3Q
“In announcing his withdrawal from the race to succeed Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan, a Democrat, Mr. Giuliani said he wanted to turn his attention to fighting his cancer. But some of his aides and senior Washington Republicans say today they had concluded weeks before that he had lost interest in the race, in part because he had become enamored of Judith Nathan, the woman with whom he was having an affair, but also because he realized that he was drawn to the campaign more by the sport and distinction that would come with beating a Clinton than he was by the prospect of serving in the Senate.”
Oklahoma kiddo @ 2
KO’s lead story is Rudy’s business connections to terrorist sheik.
Loo Hoo. @ 18
You’re right, I forgot it’s on later, but the top story is potentially devastating to Ghouliani.
His thuggliness just never ends….
LS @ 19
AArgh!! No cable. What’s the story about? Who’s on with Keith?
Loo Hoo. @ 9
Matthews is slamming Clinton and hoping that nobody remembers he Matthews was for the war before he was against it.
Good grief.. the pre game football approach to the debate is ridiculous.
Most of them aren’t wearing flag lapel pins. They must hate the troops.
Toby Wollin @ 22
But that clinton-beating motivation wouldn’t be in play in this case, no would it? Uh unh. No way. Besides, he’s got Judikins to keep him warm in lawful matrimony…oh…nemmermine.
FunnyDiva
What a cheesy backdrop.
These guys all look like they have back problems.
This thing hasn’t even begun and I’m ready to leave.
This been mentioned?
CBS Cancels Democratic Debate
New York Times – 30 minutes ago
By Katharine Q. Seelye It looks like the Dec. 10 Democratic debate on CBS is off now because of the writers’ strike. The leading Democratic candidates have said they won’t cross the picket line of the striking writers in Los Angeles, and the Democratic …
You know the sad thing that I see about all of this (and you can easily call me cynical) is that the public eats this crap up. The public obsession for others sexual exploits and other irrelevant issues far outweighs/overshadows the critical issues this nation faces. We don’t really have alot of competent journalists in MSM anymore. I won’t bother wasting my time watching unless they let Keith Obermann or Jon Stewart mc the debates. I know Jon is a giggle getter but he actually has very valid perspectives; it’s just disheartening to know that we either laugh at the assinine leaders we have in government, cry for our lost values, or rise up to a new revolution.
Thanks for letting me vent.
Toby Wollin @ 26
Editor of the Village Voice…damning story about Ghouliani and his business connections, his security people, etc., all tangled up with 9/11 connected terrorists….
These new stories/scandals about Romney and Giuliani seem to overshadow the debate. If these were the typical Village gaffe trivia scandals (eg, Huckabee used to be a fatty, something wrong with Hillary’s laugh, haircuts) then that would be a problem. But seems to me that these new flaps are real issues AND will capture public attention.
One is about cynical manipulation of racial/ethnic bigotry and obvious, in-your-face, opportunistic hypocracy. The other is about illicit sex and illicit money. Can’t beat them, can you?
Romney is a slimey political confidence man for whom lying out of all four sides of his mouth, out the top of is head and through is ass is SOP. Rudy is a squalid corrupt thug, who has a proclivity for adulterous boffing on the public dime.
If Giuliani survives, Democrats need to ask voters repeatedly whether they want another self-interested president who uses ’security’ as a cover for corruption and political blackmail.
Giuliani also dropped out of the Iraq Study Group because he had better things to do like make money doing personal appearances.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 32
Couldn’t you just hang out with us and not watch? It’s what I’m doing…
FunnyDiva
Funnydiva2002 @ 30
My point is that Rudy is a guy who has a really really short attention span and has what might be termed “commitment issues”. This is a guy who wants to run for President – I’m not sure he really wants to BE President. He wanted to whip the crap out of Hillary Clinton(as a surrogate for Bill Clinton) – he did not see himself as serving in the Senate.
Thank Gawd it’s AC and not Wolfie moderating…
What crap!
The criminal party? *gasp*
The ADA-compliant Sunshine household asks:
“Yo, Rudy, if you were still US Attorney, would you prosecute you for billing your playboy expenses to small NYC depts like the ADA oversight dept and stickin’ the taxpayers with the tab when you were bangin’ Judy in the Hamptons?”
LS @ 35
The Village Voice has been covering Rudy closely for a very long time. They did a really scathing series on his connections to (and getting handoffs from) the New York Yankees.
wesgpc @ 36
If they are doing a pre-game prep for the debate, wouldn’t it be nice if it sounded like this?
Well, this is working. Burn up the time and don’t bother with questions.
Here’s the Giuliani story
http://www.villagevoice.com/ne…..478,6.html
In googling around, I found the WSJ has been on this story for awhile.
Toby Wollin @ 39
A-yup, mine, too. He still has delusions of kicking him some Clintonian as*. Except POTUS has (had?) so much more glamour than mere Senator, I think Rudy could see himself as pres enough to extend his attention span. Well, at least Judi could!
FunnyD
Don’t fence me in, Rudy!
Benito: New York didn’t give refuge to illegal immigrants. All we did was let kids of illegals go to school, so we wouldn’t have 70,000 kids on the street. We were not a sanctuary city.
Romney: Yes they were.
Rudy an Romney fighting about who is most sanctimonious. Oh, I guess who has allowed sanctuary cities.
Hated the guitar player.
Prairie Sunshine @ 43
And consequently screwing NYC-resident Americans with Disabilities out of needed oversight?
Go get ‘im, Sunshine (and Tex Betsy) Attaaaack!
FunnyDiva
oooh, it’s gloves off time already – the ghoulie one vs. Romney.
Catty. Rudy says Romney had illegal immigrants working at his mansion.
Claws are out…
edit: “I hate illegal aliens *way* more than you do!”
next question – “Somebody prove to me that you truly, really, to the bottom of your soul hate brown people!”?
My least favorite sabotage of dems was when George Stephanopolous introduced them by giving their poll numbers. Immediately embarassing all but one. Shameful.
Loo Hoo is right. That backdrop looks like it was barfed up.
Mitt’s hair in unFREAKINGbelievable.
(I have the mute on, I have no desire to hear any of these old white men tell me why they suck so much)
Man, even if I was a Republican, I’d think Benito was a d*ck.
Oh ho. Just switched back to the debate to catch the cat fight breaking out. What fun.
Rudy gets booed big time for continuing the argument!
Funnydiva2002 @ 38
Oh… I’m hanging out with you guys. But there is a person here in the living room with me who has convinced me I might want to watch this. And she usually has pretty good arguments. ;0)!
Carlo @ 52
Nice sounding dreadnought, though.
Punchy bass response.
Romney attacked Rudy, and when Rudy tried to pipe up…he got booooooed.
You would think the geniuses at Youtube and CNN would figure out how to sync up the audio on the video questions.
There goes St. Ronnie’s eleventh commandment, on the first question… 8-)
Fred is incredibly ugly, which wouldn’t matter if he had a mind.
Anyone think that, besides all his other faults, Romney’s a pompous ass?
Thompson(Charlie Brown’s Presidential candidate): Wahwahwawa-wah wah wah.
Rudy 911 Rudy 911 Rudy 911
ooooh, foreshadowing smack: Thompson’s gonna hit Ghouliani with Kerik.
Fredo: “Uhh…”
This is the Thompson show on CNN, just like it was the HRC show. The audience is full of Thompson/Cheeneeites…or so it seems.
Oooo…I think Thompson just admitted to have hired people he shouldn’t of….
He really has nothing to say.
Thus far it seems the Republicans are playing the race card. Nice going guys.
ccmask @ 68
throw a verb in once in a while just for variety
OKK, people have been worried about you. Where have you been?
Thompson says he sued NYC based on sanctuary city business. Rudy says it’s all about the children.
Loo Hoo. @ 65
I am glad you have a strong stomach..I can’t watch..keep the comments coming.
These guys seem pathetic, or is it just me?
This is getting fun. I never imagined watching Republicans could be fun.
McCain is whining, and he got booed too.
Fred Thompson:
“Do you remember when the coloreds couldn’t use our drinking fountains? Pepperidge Farm remembers.”
Rudy McCain is too short to be elected.
This feels like riding with a 16 year old driving a stick-shift for the first time without using the clutch.
LS @ 13
Bless you LS! Was so brain numb watching the so-called rethug debate I forgot it was also KO time. ;~)
It looks like these pompus corrupt old white-fart losers are so obnoxious that even the Republican die-hards who showed up for the debate can’t stand them.
That is good news, if true. I hope more familiarity with these empty slimeball windbags breeds more contempt even in the wingnut hutch. That would be very much deserved, IMHO.
eCAHNomics @ 77
That’s an understatement and a half…
I’m giving McCain some credit here. He’s trying not to be as hateful as the rest.
McCain sounds like the most boring professor you ever had in college. Mentions God’s children for good measure.
Connecticut Bob @ 78
This is getting fun. I never imagined watching Republicans could be fun.
I’m having fun listening to all the booing and cat-calls…
Mc Cain is blathering, n’est pas?
I’m not seeing any mention of Ron Paul – is he not there?
McCain: the people don’t trust us because of our failures with Katrina, in Iraq, and out of control spending.
RonD @ 50
Hey Gang,
Everyone, and I mean everyone not the least Democrats running for President needs to know that there is no such thing as a “Sanctuary City”.
Yes you read that right. My closest friend happens to be an Oxford PhD student studying this topic. She and her lawyer friends have been upset since this was first brought up in a debate. It is not true. As I understand it the fact is that local law enforcement agencies are specifically prohibited from enforcing immigration law unless they have a specific MOU with ICE to be allowed to do so.
If any of the powers that be on this wonderful blog would like more information about why this whole idea is bunk, please contact me.
I would be happy to hook you up with the experts on this topic. I think it would go a long way to illuminating the discussion on this. These laws were written a certain way for a reason. Those reasons are well thought out.
I think this is another example of us accepting the Republican talking points as a jumping off point. (It doesn’t help that the debate moderators are accepting it too.)
Peace to all!
smapdi @ 80
707!
What did he really say?
Go pugs, keep tearing the veneer of civility off of your racist core values!
FunnyD
Tancredo says the others are all trying to out-Tancredo, Tancredo. and he’s right.
Is entertaining watching this monster swallowing its own tail.
Let’s get Tancredo out in the field doing stoop labor…
newspaperbrat @ 82
Hope that segment is one that makes it to the website later tonight.
Forget Guiliani
“It’s Olbermann time!”
new Progressive battle-cry?
FunnyDiva
Hunter just called Anderson Cooper by his surname.
I have a question: (forgot to YouTube it) “Does a single one of you have an issue that you feel strongly about other than immigration?”
Howdy, Jane! Who did that brilliant logo for the GOP convention? Am very glad I wasn’t drinking anything at the time.
Oh, and
is just disturbing. I wasn’t thinking about joining a monastery before, but eeewwww.
FunndyD- I have the sound off. I cant even tell who a few of these guys are without the audio.
Where is that applause coming from? The dudes on the floor in front of the dudes on stage have their hands in their laps.
solai @ 74
Thanks!
We’ve been in Texas, here, and up in north Oklahoma.
Toby Wollin @ 89
He’s here. Didn’t get a loud applause on introduction.
Now Duncan Donut is taking full credit for less crime in San Diego. He had to help Issa get rid of Carol Lam because gun crime was not down….
MsAnnaNOLA —- we tell our new immigrants that they can always come into the school if the police or ICE are looking for them and that we will help make sure their rights are looked after. In addition, my school district never asks a student his or her immigrant status until it’s time to look at college scholarships. I believe that the hospitals also decline to ask immigrant status. I think THAT’s what the repubs are talking about.
Duncan Hunter is nuts.
eCAHNomics @ 97
Cooper or Vanderbilt?
I can’t find the debate.
Did anyone hear Randi Rhodes today?
Jonathan Turley was riviting. He actually said why the Dems wont go after Bush. He said there was a deal not to impeach and when the Dems uncover things that would trigger an impeachment they duck.
First one to say he’ll kill all illegal immigrants twice, just to be sure – wins.
Toby Wollin @ 89
He’s there… No Questions asked of him yet…
Immigration immigration illegal aliens immigration.
Good thing there’s no other issues.
ccmask @ 107
CNN…
MsAnna,
Can you make it to late night for awhile so we can discuss this with you more? (or so you can edumacate me about this more?).
I’m all for using cold, hard facts to smash and bash rightwing talking points.
Thx
FunnyDiva
MsAnnaNOLA @ 91
Carlo @ 94
I like it when the back feet get stuck in its mouth.
eCAHNomics @ 97
I assume this is without the word MR. in front.
Oh, Gawd, one of the questioners is standing in front of a drawing of Reagan in a cowboy hat.
LOL. There all nuts.
ccmask @ 107
CNN
CTuttle @ 112
Oh. Thanks
Big applause for Huckabee.
snowbird42 @ 108
And what did the dems get in this “deal”?
ccmask @ 107
CNN- 26 on TW.
Some of these questions are blowing my mind. Can you imagine “A Day Without a Mexican”?
TexBetsy @ 115
Yep. Said it as though he thought it was his given name. You know those WASP names-work equally well in both directions.
Good lord, looks like it’s gonna be all immigration all the time. Of course, what else can they talk about? Bush’s amazing accomplishments? All the good work they did while in total control for four years?
TexBetsy @ 120
Immunity for their complicity…? Jez asking…
Huckabee is at least showing some compassion, and he’s getting applause for it.
I have to say it again….Romney is an asshole.
The MittBot 2.0 has a really unpleasant smirk. Almost as icky as W’s. Same sense of entitlement oozes out of him…
I’m liking Huckabee. He wants kids of immigrants to get college. Romney tried to out redneck him, and Huck said that he wouldn’t blame the kids.
Romney goes on and on and on
I can’t handle this. Going to go watch “The Grinch” for a half an hour. See you guys then.
Thirty minutes of immigration….good grief!
Ohh Ohh Ohjh the AU!
No other issue than illegal aliens for the Rs. So my Q is, do Rs think that Martians are legal or illegal aliens?
Holy shit! Ron Paul is nuts!
Do they have one of the little graphs of who’s got how many minutes?
LS @ 125
Yeah, the rise of St. Huckabee, hurray! And thank God for the Paultards as well.
snowbird42 @ 108
Ah, yes, he said much the same on KO last night and I though how much I liked his smart analysis, even if I hate that he’s probably right. Hope Keith has him back frequently.
FunnyD
Be nice if Huckabee is least damaged by debate and current scandals. I think he is least awful of the GOP candidates as a person and a politician, and has least chance of winning the general election. Big GOP money will never get behind Huckabee, since his spine is not build around callous greed and pure selfishness. They would sit this one out and try next time, and concentrate on increasing GOP Congress in the meantime.
Connecticut Bob @ 135
You betcha! There are some Ron Paul lawn signs here in town — it’s kind of like sticking a sign out on your lawn that says “I’m batshit crazy.”
Good on Ron Paul.
He’s debunking that the North American Union is a conspiracy theory, as well as pointing out that the CFR does exist. And he’s going after the WTO controlling everything.
I couldn’t possibly listen to Ron Paul for long. This guy wouldn’t have made eighth grade treasurer.
I’d like to be a fly on the wall in the living rooms of the Democratic presidential candidates watching this thing.
TexBetsy @ 104
As in: there is a good reason that law enforcement are prohibited from asking questions about immigration status and enforcing immigration law but there is no reason we should not deputize every other public agency in doing so?
Yes I am asking what you mean because the lawyers started a fight on Wikipedia on the definition of “Sanctuary Cities” so since everyone and their mama is throwing this term around and there appears no definition in statute or otherwise.
So I think this is still the point. It sure makes it easier to muddy the waters if we accept their framing of an issue.
It sure makes it hard for innocent kids who happen to be illegal to get health care for a broken arm if the hospital is now an enforcer for the feds. Sure makes it harder for those kids to go to school too.
Ok well thanks anyway…I find the idea of punishing people for our lax borders a bit insane.
Loo Hoo. @ 129
Huckabee is probably the biggest threat..fortunately the big money Thugs will cut him off at the knees.
eCAHNomics @ 123
Great for making college presidents -
Connecticut Bob @ 111
Good thing they’re all keeping their white sheets out of sight at the back of the closet! /snark.
FunnyDiva
RP:
Its the CSR!
Conspiracy!
There is a move toward the AU! (Incorrectly sites EU history)
Eminent Domain! (How is a international highway different from an international airport?)
The UN!
No regulation of medications.
OHh my people clapping… Should have left the sound off.
McCain is going to balance the federal budget by getting rid of pork barrel spending. LOL
It’s a wide-stance, toe-tapping, buggery-fest the goopers and the mediaplexers have been waitin’ for. Oh joy! Stop the world! I want to get off.
Wasteful spending Mr. McCain? $12,000,000,000 per month for war.
Cut spending–Export Republicans
Steve-AR @ 144
I agree. He seems sane, and that’s not something the beltway would put up with for a minute.
Rudy wants to eliminate jobs?
We let spending lurch out of control? I guess this is an example of spending happened.
Addressing the ‘pork’ problem irt the national debt. How about the war?
Will anyone ask them about education? Health care?
Oh, heck. Let’s just skip to the bottom line and hold a mud-wrestling event for all the candidates. Then when we talk about mud-slinging, we could be on factual ground. Besides, I’ll bet the Nielsen ratings would be really good for an event like that, don’t you think? And hey, it would be about as informative as some of the other “debates” that have been held, like trying to force each candidate to give a yes or no answer to questions like, “Have you stopped beating your spouse?”
Bob in HI
Loo Hoo. @ 152
He’s also not one of the “insiders” – doesn’t come from money, has a populist bent and so on.
Doesn’t Anderson Cooper sound like an ineffectual child with his little squeaks of “time…time…” that nobody listens to?
Excuse me, but has anyone seen the Chuck Norris commercial with Huckabee? He’s as completely insane as the rest of them.
TexBetsy @ 104
SCOTUS ruled on that issue in the 1982 Texas school case Plyler v Doe..The 14th Amendment refers to “persons” not citizens
smapdi @ 147
I beg to differ. The North American Union is real (SSP). The move for eminent domain in Texas is real. Trans-Texas Corridor, and it is proposed to go all the way to Canada. You can read about it in the State of Texas transportation documents (Highway 69).
The other stuff…I dunno, no so much.
Repub candidates (in 8-part harmony) “So I walked into, sat down, and said to The Border Patrol Man, I said Border Guy, I wanna kill. I wanna see blood and and gore and guts, eat burnt, dead brown bodies, have veins between my teeth. I wanna kill. KILL, KILL! And I started jumpin’ up and down, yellin’ Kill, KILL, KILL!!!’
And pretty soon he was jumpin’up and down with me, and we were both jumpin’ up and down, yellin’ Kill, KILL, KILL!!!, until the the Border Patrol Guy came over, pinned a medal on my chest and said – you’re our boy.”
Rs want to attack entitlements. That’ll win votes once they get out of the primaries.
Thompson is done, he’ll work over social security and medicare.
Connecticut Bob @ 135
You’re just discovering this?
Bob in HI
Name three programs you would cut, asked of Freddy.
Blather, blather, blather, blather….
Watch out, Freddy, or we’ll sicc Sen. Conrad and his charts on you….
bobschacht @ 157
Just as long as we stay away from a wet tightie whitey contest.
Ron Paul want to cut the Department of Education…now that is batshit crazy.
Romney wants to cut the IRS…
Huckabee wants to get rid of I.R.S.
Cheers for “bring our troops home” by Ron Paul! But of course they’re cheering for the “Fair Tax” too…
eCAHNomics @ 168
oh i just ate! ew!
LS @ 169
I mean Huckleberry.
Carlo @ 160
Huckabee is a creationist. Does not believe in evolution.
jayt @ 163
I want to see the 27 8×10 color glossy pictures with circles and arrows on the back of each one . . .
eCAHNomics @ 171
Saying Americans are more afraid of the IRS than they are of a mugging!
LS, I have read the highway 69 stuff the last time the AU came up.
I really object to how the AU ‘conspiracy’ paints the EU as some sort of overload foisted upon unwitting europeans.
LS @ 169
Does that mean we don’t have to teach to the test and have increasingly harder standards every year?
Cutting spending? I know what that means. Robbing the middle class and the needy, and giving to the rich.
bobschacht @ 166
heh…no, it’s just every time Ron Paul opens his mouth, it’s like seeing the world of crazy anew!
He gets me every time.
St. John getting roundly booed…!
Steve-AR @ 161
So do they want to amend the Constitution to change this? They want the whole country to mobilize to report illegal immigration? Is this what they are talking about?
What did McCain say that is getting him booed so badly?
McCain taking on Ron Paul on isolationism.
Getting Paul-booed.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 179
But the rich ARE needy. Just ask George.
The dissension cuts about 10 different ways. There is no sense of cohesion whatsoever in this dinosaur.
Peterr @ 175
707! Alice’s restaurant…
smapdi @ 176
Oh, I agree with you on that point. But, it does exist here from a trade standpoint, and the highway system is designed to facilitate it.
Hang on, Ms Anna…
I may have missed your point, but…
I think you may have missed Tex Betsy’s.
At any rate, you and she are on the same page vis a vis immigration and why it’s good that most state/local agences are NOT charged to or allowed to actively pursue anyone’s immigration status.
So, if you both can come to late nite, and I’ll sit and learn from all y’all? ‘K?
Thx.
FunnyDiva
MsAnnaNOLA @ 143
Paul: I’m not an isolationist. But he’s not an interventionist.
Crowd’s cheering the war. McCain:”Let our soldiers win.”
jayt @ 163
Ah, the words of St. Arlo.
Bob in HI
TexBetsy @ 185
Their needs are just more justifiable than ours…or so they think.
McCain calling Paul a Nazi for wanting to bring the troops home from Iraq.
Grover Effing Norquist… EEWWWWW…
Grover on tape: taxes, taxes, veto taxes. Promise?
OMG, Norquist.
solai @ 191
Win what? Win how? What’s winning?
Candidates: we are all Grover-whipped…..
It’s easy for a Republican to promise to not raise taxes as long as other countries are dumb enough to loan us money.
TexBetsy @ 178
I don’t know, but education is certainly not a place we should cut spending on. I agree with the teaching to the test…my step kids deal with it all the time, and it is maddening. I just thing the funds should be redirected, not cut.
LS @ 187
Its true, roads and trade always go together.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 194
A Nazi? Really? omg
Let’s here a question about a pledge to reduce our nation debt!
*gasp* Duncan did refute Grover…
Promise not to raise taxes
Tancredo, Huckleberry, Romney, Gulliani, yes, Thompson, McCain saying the promise will be to the American people. Hunter saying an emergency may arise and a need to raise taxes. Didn’t hear what Paul said.
alank @ 149
buggery-fest indeed (shiver). want some of my brain bleach before you go?
FunnyDiva
Duncan Hunter: I am a man. Not Grover-whipped…
Carlo @ 160
True. But I still think he is the least worst. And he has gone against Big Money GOP, in a very premeditated way. So, in general election I think he is toast, since he will get no big money. The Big Money folks are very very focused on $$$, have very long time horizons, and I think the damage he could do to the Big Money GOP brand, the precedents he would set, are unacceptable to the $$$ crowd. So they would sit out this one were Huckabee the GOP candidate.
$$$ people are very serious about $$$. Huckabee has committed mortal sins in their eyes. He can never recover, ever. He is a marked man. Think mafia style about his political fate.
So, my thinking is, he is the least worst, and has the least chance in election. So I oppose him the least in the GOP primary.
Funnydiva2002 @ 189
Trying to figure out what the Wingnuts mean by “Sancturary Cities” is what it came down to. My lawyer friend says what you say so why are all the crazy Wingnuts going on and on about it.
Seems like an idea we should counter is all I was saying.
Toby Wollin @ 203
No, it was worse. He equivocated Nazi Germany with Iraq. He claimed that Paul’s attitude was exactly the isolationist mentality pervasive before WWII, which, of course, led to Hitler becoming the Greatest Monster Evah.
Thank heavens the average American was allowed to ask a question. Now back to drowning the baby in the bathtub.
Connecticut Bob @ 180
I have a cousin who plans to vote for him. And he’s a smart guy, in many respects. He was totally unimpressed with the FDL takedown of Paul last week(?).
Bob in HI
“We have to have our own supply of food.”
Pure baloney. Something like over half U.S. consumed food is imported already.
Whoa! The Hamptons question!
Carlo @ 197
The Ultimate Cootie
OMG — politico article on your security
ccmask @ 151
The bumper sticker of the month.
Rudy knows nothing….
Cooper asking Guilliani about his trips to South Hampton!!
G says it’s not true. It’s all about security. Cooper pushes it not.
Didn’t address why they hell they were lolling in the Hamptons…
Ouch!!! The Ghouliani question…OMG!!!
Not true….flub….flub…I have nothing to do with their records…I had….threats…that I can’t talk about….they followed me 24 hours a day….flub…uh…flub.
eCAHNomics @ 214
My kid thought i was nuts last week when I was looking for the country of origin info on our potatoes for Thanksgiving.
Millineryman @ 218
wooohooo
eCAHNomics @ 171
Won’t do him no good. Huckabee has sinned against money. Big Time. Some little weasel comes scraping around after its too late and kisses your ass, you don’t believe a word he says, and he gets no mercy. What would a mafia don think? “Ahh… don’ waste yer breath, punk.”
Wow, Tancredo’s ad sucked.
Tancredo: I took on Geraldo. Hahahaha. And I can beat Hillary, who is tougher even than Geraldo.
Man, whatever. He is so obviously gay. He even plays with GI Joe and Barbie, apparently.
Tancredo’s ad was bizarre.
My question [for the candidates] are… I loves me some grammar…
ccmask @ 224
All thought the surcharge for toxic waste may make it cost prohibitive.
eCAHNomics @ 228
So it fit the candidate?
Where are the lapel flags? Oh, the nation’s foundations are beginning to crumble.
Tancredo, Huckabee, Hunter…Anderson Cooper…where is your patriotism?
Shorter Ghouliani…I was boinkin’ her….but I don’t know anything about how they handled the records that paid for it….so, it’s not my fault…it was
my wife Donnathreats…that I can’t talk about….” Banging Judy in the Hamptons.”
That’s a Zappa song from the 80s, right?
wesgpc @ 209
that is my fear – the dems will then become the big money corporate party and the Rs will have 4 years to remake themselves as economic populists (still tied to the crazy religious right). bla
Now they’re beating up on our banker. China.
Worse – Faux Noise for announcing that folks could send generic greetings to “any wounded soldeir” at Walter Reed. Walter Reed does not accept letters addressed in that way.
Worser – The Republican Party of VA for requiring that folks who vote in their primary sign a “loyalty oath” saying they’ll support the R candidate in ‘08.
Worst Person In The World – John Ashcroft for saying that he would be OK with being waterboarded because that’s not torture.
Hunter threatens China…buy American. (I agree with the thought apart from the Chinahate)
Prairie Sunshine @ 174
Yeah, well, he’s living proof that it doesn’t always work.
Loo Hoo. @ 221
AC is like the anti-Mike Wallace. Crooked used-car salesmen see him standing outside their office and invite him in for an interview.
Buy American. I guess that means WalMart is out for xmas shopping.
Buy American! But what’s made in America today? Hmmm…
Their commercials are all about other candidates, not about themselves?
I guess Fred was too tired to show up for his own commercial???
TexBetsy @ 178
No. that means no federal tax dollars for your school system. If your state doesn’t have the tax base for first class public education, you’re SOL. Which is the point anyway, because public education is SOCIALIZED LEARNING!!!
FunnyDiva
Marion in Savannah @ 139
I know a guy like that. He’s for Ron Paul, and he works on the adolescent psych unit as a tech. He was also for Perot.
Prairie Sunshine @ 232
Obviously they have now re-defined patriotism as not including flag lapel pins.
New thread.
Jane upstairs.
New thread upstairs
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..ndedebate/
bobschacht @ 192
I’m waiting till it comes around again on the guitar…;)
I want to see the 27 8×10 color glossy pictures with circles and arrows on the back of each one . . .
explainin’ what each one was, to be used as evidence against us. Pretty soon the bailiff walked in and said ‘All Rise’ and we all stood up. And the Republican base walked in, with a seein’eye dog and ear plugs they walked in.
And Officer Obie looked at the seein’-eye dog and ear plugs, and began to cry because it was another case of America Blind to Justice, that the base wasn’t gonna look at the 27 color glossy photos or hear the speakers, and there wasn’t nothin’ that he could do about it…”
LS @ 201
One of many reasons I find Ron Paul one scary mofo.
FunnyDiva
is there an internet link for the debate, having a tough time tracking it down
CNN perris. try their website.
TexBetsy @ 255
I’m on there website and cannot find a link to the debate
perris @ 256
try the click on the right side top that says LIVE Developing story
Hugh @ 37
He never attended even one meeting. He was asked to attend or resign iirc.
Ghouliani: September 11 September 11 September 11 Democrats putting their heads in the sand defending the terrorists
The “Worst Person in the World”, Tim Russert!
who gives a F**k what Americans believe. Having dominion over oneself is a birth right – and act of nature inseparable from being alive, no matter what any one believes. The is NO DEBATE to be had. Live free or die!
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Anna Belle @ 131
Has any of them suggested setting up machine gun nests near the border, so they can mow down the alien invaders? No, why not? Are they all soft on immigration crime? Are they all commie punks?
Ha!
solai @ 191
I wonder if he’d call for going back to Vietnam to give it another go.
Connecticut Bob @ 200
Every borrowed dollar is a tax hike because somebody has to pay it back later…with interest!
It’s one of the biggest welfare programs of all. Who pays less taxes and yet ‘invests’ and receives profit from all those government bonds…the Rich.
Of course, if we spent all our time balancing the budget, then we’d never get around to doing things for the rest of America.
Every borrowed dollar is a tax hike because somebody has to pay it back later…with interest!
Thats a sensational line – democrats should be smashing republicans over the head with it.
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Thanks Jane! This much is clear about Kucinich, “The congressman, mistaken or not in his beliefs, is a thoughtful, passionate, incorruptible and brave man.”
At sites like DailyKos where Kos consistently calls him a “kook” I feel like I am the “kook” for reading anything Kos would have to say about anything.
One could say, like millions of people do, “I like Kucinich and his policies, but he can’t get elected,” but don’t dismiss a 40-year liberal record with name-calling.
We need more liberal voices.
Some may be interested in taking a short quiz to see which candidates represent their views: http://glassbooth.org/
Asking Kucinich if he thinks he saw an alien spacecraft is in pretty much the same vein as asking, say, Huckabee whether he thinks the theory of evolution through natural selection is true. They’re both windows into how evidence-based and rational the person is, and they both touch on larger belief systems that I, for one, want to know about. There is one big difference, namely that a question about evolution might also provide a view into how willing the person would be to pander to a particular organized constituency, while I’m not too sure what constituency a question about UFOs would appeal to (and whatever it is, it wouldn’t be terribly organized in a political sense).
That said, though, while in general I agree that the press often asks ridiculous questions, these don’t strike me as falling into that category.