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		<title>By: woid</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/27/shorter-time-magazine-equal-time-for-gop-propaganda/#comment-1120762</link>
		<dc:creator>woid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Where’s Pelosi? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On the floor, wrestling to keep Impeachment down as it tries to climb back on to the table.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where’s Pelosi? </p>
<p>On the floor, wrestling to keep Impeachment down as it tries to climb back on to the table.</p>
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		<title>By: Kilo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kilo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I’d ask him about why the surge has failed…after a year there has been no evidence that the political reconciliation between Sunnis, Kurds and Shi’s can really be found.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Um… are you sure it’s the “surge” you wanted to ask him about?&lt;br /&gt;
What does the situation you describe have to do with the insertion of 30,000 extra troops, let alone constitute a measurable assessment of it?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I’d ask him about why the surge has failed…after a year there has been no evidence that the political reconciliation between Sunnis, Kurds and Shi’s can really be found.</p>
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<p>Um… are you sure it’s the “surge” you wanted to ask him about?<br />
What does the situation you describe have to do with the insertion of 30,000 extra troops, let alone constitute a measurable assessment of it?</p>
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		<title>By: Kilo</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/27/shorter-time-magazine-equal-time-for-gop-propaganda/#comment-1120101</link>
		<dc:creator>Kilo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You seem happy to characterise this as the GOP disagreeing with Democrats over interpretation of the bill. Greenwald seems happy to do that 728 times over a dozen updates to 4 posts.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Is anyone going to mention the disagreement that Klein cites?&lt;br /&gt;
Namely that those who use FISA also disagree with Democrats?&lt;br /&gt;
That would seem to be a little more relevant no?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As for the “it’s written in plain english, anyone can interpret it” claim, you might want to read this…&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://balkin.blogspot.com/2007/11/all-you-need-to-not-know-about-proposed.html&quot;&gt;http://balkin.blogspot.com/200.....posed.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;…and realise Joe Klein actually comes off ahead of you, Greenwald and everyone else in the responsible comments stakes for stating he doesn’t have the necessary legal background to interpret FISA definitions.&lt;br /&gt;
Like you just found out you don’t.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Forthcoming retractions? Corrections? Apologies?&lt;br /&gt;
Yeah, let’s hold our breath.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You seem happy to characterise this as the GOP disagreeing with Democrats over interpretation of the bill. Greenwald seems happy to do that 728 times over a dozen updates to 4 posts.</p>
<p>Is anyone going to mention the disagreement that Klein cites?<br />
Namely that those who use FISA also disagree with Democrats?<br />
That would seem to be a little more relevant no?</p>
<p>As for the “it’s written in plain english, anyone can interpret it” claim, you might want to read this…<br />
<a href="http://balkin.blogspot.com/2007/11/all-you-need-to-not-know-about-proposed.html">http://balkin.blogspot.com/200&#8230;..posed.html</a></p>
<p>…and realise Joe Klein actually comes off ahead of you, Greenwald and everyone else in the responsible comments stakes for stating he doesn’t have the necessary legal background to interpret FISA definitions.<br />
Like you just found out you don’t.</p>
<p>Forthcoming retractions? Corrections? Apologies?<br />
Yeah, let’s hold our breath.</p>
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		<title>By: nymd15</title>
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		<dc:creator>nymd15</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1119118&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;sporkovat @ 8&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Greenwald’s schtick is increasingly terrifying. His neverending epiphany, which arrives each day and without fail, like the rising of the sun–is that, holy shit,&lt;b&gt; the media propogandizes on behalf of the government&lt;/b&gt;. (The government, Glenn, not the GOP.) Finding a gloss on some new police-state tactic in Time magazine, of all places, should not shock a man. It’s like being surprised at a well-reviewed military parade in Pravda.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;juicy quote found at &lt;a href=&quot;http://whoisioz.blogspot.com/&quot;&gt;http://whoisioz.blogspot.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This person’s point-of-view could not be more wrong. I don’t even believe this writer could have been sincere, because to use words like “schtick” and “terrifying” to describe Greewald’s steadfastly patriotic insistence on disseminating the truth in an era when that simply isn’t done could only be — from any half-intelligent adult — a childish tantrum and is patently absurd. Even with this extraordinary an example of utter sham journalism by our country’s “premier newsweekly”, there’s been absolutely no outcry (”Hello? Speaker Pelosi??”), no wave of national concern or attention paid to match what we would witness tomorrow, courtesy of 24-hour-a-day coverage on every “liberal” cable news outlet, if any B-list celebrity were caught with his pants down. Until the so-called sleeping giant wakes — if it ever does — the very greatest praise and gratitude should go to those who expose the rampant corruption which is sadly at the heart of our once-respected mainstream press.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1119118"><em>sporkovat @ 8</em></a></p>
<blockquote><blockquote>Greenwald’s schtick is increasingly terrifying. His neverending epiphany, which arrives each day and without fail, like the rising of the sun–is that, holy shit,<b> the media propogandizes on behalf of the government</b>. (The government, Glenn, not the GOP.) Finding a gloss on some new police-state tactic in Time magazine, of all places, should not shock a man. It’s like being surprised at a well-reviewed military parade in Pravda.</p></blockquote>
<p>juicy quote found at <a href="http://whoisioz.blogspot.com/">http://whoisioz.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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<p>This person’s point-of-view could not be more wrong. I don’t even believe this writer could have been sincere, because to use words like “schtick” and “terrifying” to describe Greewald’s steadfastly patriotic insistence on disseminating the truth in an era when that simply isn’t done could only be — from any half-intelligent adult — a childish tantrum and is patently absurd. Even with this extraordinary an example of utter sham journalism by our country’s “premier newsweekly”, there’s been absolutely no outcry (”Hello? Speaker Pelosi??”), no wave of national concern or attention paid to match what we would witness tomorrow, courtesy of 24-hour-a-day coverage on every “liberal” cable news outlet, if any B-list celebrity were caught with his pants down. Until the so-called sleeping giant wakes — if it ever does — the very greatest praise and gratitude should go to those who expose the rampant corruption which is sadly at the heart of our once-respected mainstream press.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/27/shorter-time-magazine-equal-time-for-gop-propaganda/#comment-1119673</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 05:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1119342&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Joe Klein’s conscience @ 93&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1119253&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;marymccurnin @ 89&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;OT&lt;br /&gt;
I’m going to Dan Lungren’s town hall meeting tomorrow night. Any questions you guys want me to ask him?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yeah, ask him when Democrats are gonna start calling people like Joe Klein out on his BS.  And why do they cower in fear of a guy who has approval ratings that are in Nixonian levels.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Lungren tain’t a Democrat…so he’ll likely say that the Dems won’t call Klein out because it’s not BS…that the Dems got caught out on requiring warrants on furrin’ terrorists overseas. And that the Dems fear Bush ‘coz he’s close to God.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s what Lungren might say.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’d ask him about why the surge has failed…after a year there has been no evidence that the political reconciliation between Sunnis, Kurds and Shi’s can really be found. In fact, the surge has actually turned into a system of turning over areas to local Sheiks are warlords rather than the Iraqi NATIONAL Gaurd. In the South the British are no confined to the Basra Airport, handing the area over to militias. In the Sunni Triangle and Anwar it’s turned over to Sunni militias. In Kurdistan they have started making their own deals with private oil companies because no National Oil Program can be agreed upon in Baghdad. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Even Republican Senators agree that there has been little or no progress politically and are threatening to cut off funds.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So if the “surge” has worked best in those areas where the US troops have actually pulled out, and there has been no progress politically, how can we say the “surge” has suceeded? And shouldn’t we simply realize that the “last best chance” has actually failed…and let the raqi’s sort it out for themselves and withdraw?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1119342"><em>Joe Klein’s conscience @ 93</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1119253"><em>marymccurnin @ 89</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>OT<br />
I’m going to Dan Lungren’s town hall meeting tomorrow night. Any questions you guys want me to ask him?</p>
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<p>Yeah, ask him when Democrats are gonna start calling people like Joe Klein out on his BS.  And why do they cower in fear of a guy who has approval ratings that are in Nixonian levels.</p>
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<p>Lungren tain’t a Democrat…so he’ll likely say that the Dems won’t call Klein out because it’s not BS…that the Dems got caught out on requiring warrants on furrin’ terrorists overseas. And that the Dems fear Bush ‘coz he’s close to God.</p>
<p>That’s what Lungren might say.</p>
<p>I’d ask him about why the surge has failed…after a year there has been no evidence that the political reconciliation between Sunnis, Kurds and Shi’s can really be found. In fact, the surge has actually turned into a system of turning over areas to local Sheiks are warlords rather than the Iraqi NATIONAL Gaurd. In the South the British are no confined to the Basra Airport, handing the area over to militias. In the Sunni Triangle and Anwar it’s turned over to Sunni militias. In Kurdistan they have started making their own deals with private oil companies because no National Oil Program can be agreed upon in Baghdad. </p>
<p>Even Republican Senators agree that there has been little or no progress politically and are threatening to cut off funds.</p>
<p>So if the “surge” has worked best in those areas where the US troops have actually pulled out, and there has been no progress politically, how can we say the “surge” has suceeded? And shouldn’t we simply realize that the “last best chance” has actually failed…and let the raqi’s sort it out for themselves and withdraw?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/27/shorter-time-magazine-equal-time-for-gop-propaganda/#comment-1119639</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 05:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Other email addresses at Time, Inc&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;mailto:rick_stengel@timemagazine.com&quot;&gt;rick_stengel@timemagazine.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;mailto:josh_tyrangiel@timemazine.com&quot;&gt;josh_tyrangiel@timemazine.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;mailto:prisilla_painton@timemagazine.com&quot;&gt;prisilla_painton@timemagazine.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;mailto:joe_klein@timemagazine.com&quot;&gt;joe_klein@timemagazine.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Other email addresses at Time, Inc</p>
<p><a href="mailto:rick_stengel@timemagazine.com">rick_stengel@timemagazine.com</a><br />
<a href="mailto:josh_tyrangiel@timemazine.com">josh_tyrangiel@timemazine.com</a><br />
<a href="mailto:prisilla_painton@timemagazine.com">prisilla_painton@timemagazine.com</a><br />
<a href="mailto:joe_klein@timemagazine.com">joe_klein@timemagazine.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: k</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/27/shorter-time-magazine-equal-time-for-gop-propaganda/#comment-1119603</link>
		<dc:creator>k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 04:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I read Glenn earlier today and just laughed. Jane and Glenn shredding Time.  Enjoy enjoy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I remembered a month or two ago I was reading the letters to the editor in Time and there was a letter of ‘correction’ from Senator Brownback’s wife protesting Time’s description of her. She detailed her degree(s) and work history etc because Time had evidently completely misrepresented her history. I remember when I read it,  I thought that it was typical of today’s journamalism- they can’t seem to bother with fact checking: they just repeat propaganda. Evidently no one’s computer at TIME has a search button.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read Glenn earlier today and just laughed. Jane and Glenn shredding Time.  Enjoy enjoy.</p>
<p>I remembered a month or two ago I was reading the letters to the editor in Time and there was a letter of ‘correction’ from Senator Brownback’s wife protesting Time’s description of her. She detailed her degree(s) and work history etc because Time had evidently completely misrepresented her history. I remember when I read it,  I thought that it was typical of today’s journamalism- they can’t seem to bother with fact checking: they just repeat propaganda. Evidently no one’s computer at TIME has a search button.</p>
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		<title>By: Myrtle June</title>
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		<dc:creator>Myrtle June</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jane, being as they can’t read and all…. well, perhaps they thought you meant they should issue a “concoction”. They seem pretty adept at that. Its the only explanation for what they’ve done there.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; “Bless their hearts” :-&#124;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane, being as they can’t read and all…. well, perhaps they thought you meant they should issue a “concoction”. They seem pretty adept at that. Its the only explanation for what they’ve done there.</p>
<p> “Bless their hearts” :-|</p>
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		<title>By: alank</title>
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		<dc:creator>alank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The link to the text of the bill expired as do all Thomas search results.  Here are permanent links to HR 3773:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1. &lt;a href=&quot;http://thomas.loc.gov/home/gpoxmlc110/h3773_eh.xml&quot;&gt;xml&lt;/a&gt; (which can be opened in firefox and opera for mac, safari, tho, there are character conversion issues, and perhaps some windows user agents)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2. &lt;a href=&quot;http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=110_cong_bills&amp;docid=f:h3773eh.txt.pdf&quot;&gt;pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The link to the text of the bill expired as do all Thomas search results.  Here are permanent links to HR 3773:</p>
<p>1. <a href="http://thomas.loc.gov/home/gpoxmlc110/h3773_eh.xml">xml</a> (which can be opened in firefox and opera for mac, safari, tho, there are character conversion issues, and perhaps some windows user agents)</p>
<p>2. <a href="http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=110_cong_bills&amp;docid=f:h3773eh.txt.pdf">pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joe Klein&#8217;s conscience</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Klein&#8217;s conscience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1119253&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;marymccurnin @ 89&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;OT&lt;br /&gt;
I’m going to Dan Lungren’s town hall meeting tomorrow night. Any questions you guys want me to ask him?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yeah, ask him when Democrats are gonna start calling people like Joe Klein out on his BS.  And why do they cower in fear of a guy who has approval ratings that are in Nixonian levels.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1119253"><em>marymccurnin @ 89</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>OT<br />
I’m going to Dan Lungren’s town hall meeting tomorrow night. Any questions you guys want me to ask him?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Yeah, ask him when Democrats are gonna start calling people like Joe Klein out on his BS.  And why do they cower in fear of a guy who has approval ratings that are in Nixonian levels.</p>
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